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Irony1:
You are still assuming that there was no adequate supplies whereas every story on war never talked of supply gaps at the start of Biafran push westwards.

I'm not assuming anything. It's a fact—there were never enough supplies. The push west didn't happen in a vacuum; the supply chain was already under pressure before it even started.

Irony1:
But Nigerian army also bully civilians and the Biafran army was an offshoot of the Nigerian army. So you have also indicted the Nigerian army as being unprofessional.

That's the second sensible thing you've said in the 20 odd posts you've made on the matter and I agree with it.

The Nigerian Army were unprofessional, a serious army would have ended that war and forced an unconditional surrender in under 6 months.

This is not me saying this by the way, this has been said by military strategists both within and outside the country.

They weren't rag tag like the Biafran army though.

Irony1:
I understand your point. If truly Banjo was a competent infantry man(he was commanding Engineering corps) he knows that his orders are to advance why keep a batlle hardened detachment in the midwest? He should have advanced meet with the elders give them assurances and move forward, it was simple. That move complicated everything in the war and we are paying for it, because that move further entrenched northern domination. If he hadn't made that blunder, perhaps the other communities would have been looking forward to work with the Advancing army to route the northerners from Lagos. Because Gowon would know that he is not safe in Dodan Barracks at that time.

My longer and more explanatory reply was deleted by the bot.

The meat is the Yoruba would never have allowed the Igbos to rule over them under any circumstances neither would they allow the Fulani or the Hausa or the Ebira etc. For the Igbos it is easy to see why. Just consider how the Igbo led NCNC government excluded the Yoruba in appointments. Even the western Igbos fought the British for over thirty years using Dane guns. How much more a Yoruba land invaded by three thousand Biafran soldiers?

So in short, the Yoruba were ok with Igbos having Biafra but not with Igbos coming to Lagos and Ibadan to rule them or colonize them

ademijuwonlo:
It was a war and I dont expect your opponent to pamper you.

So why Yorubas crying about kids kidnapped in Oyo?


It's war, you want them to pamper you.

lawani:
My longer and more explanatory reply was deleted by the bot.

The meat is the Yoruba would never have allowed the Igbos to rule over them under any circumstances neither would they allow the Fulani or the Hausa or the Ebira etc. For the Igbos it is easy to see why. Just consider how the Igbo led NCNC government excluded the Yoruba in appointments. Even the western Igbos fought the British for over thirty years using Dane guns. How much more a Yoruba land invaded by three thousand Biafran soldiers?

So in short, the Yoruba were ok with Igbos having Biafra but not with Igbos coming to Lagos and Ibadan to rule them or colonize them

You guys seem to miss the point Ojukwu never wanted to rule over any Yoruba person that was why Bajo led the troops. You guys are too shortsighted walahi. Imagine you said igbo led NCNC govt. Was Balewa In NCNC? Balewa was head of the govt not Zik. You people are the ones that see igbos as your enemy whereas the real enemy is already upon you.

aswani:
That's the second sensible thing you've said in the 20 odd posts you've made on the matter and I agree with it.

The Nigerian Army were unprofessional, a serious army would have ended that war and forced an unconditional surrender in under 6 months.

This is not me saying this by the way, this has been said by military strategists both within and outside the country.

They weren't rag rat like the Biafran army though.

You seem bitter and sad that is why I would not respond to you because you are not sounding intelligent with this response of yours.

ekitimanalways:
I'm not assuming anything. It's a fact—there were never enough supplies. The push west didn't happen in a vacuum; the supply chain was already under pressure before it even started.

It was never a fact there is no evidence that Banjo made request for supplies or even complained through dispatches that supply was thin. Please look for another propaganda to use.

ekitimanalways:
My maternal uncle is 89 years old—he fought on the federal side during the war. I respect your father's service and the real starvation Biafran soldiers faced. But calling a declassified CIA document a 'fabricated lie' doesn't make it false. You can know the document well and still miss a line: it did note that food in Biafran areas was often diverted to the military, worsening civilian hunger. That doesn't contradict your father's suffering—both can be true. Troops starved despite some food being commandeered, not because the army ate well. Let's not mistake disagreement for lying.

Oga the CIA declassified file you are talking about does not exist I have read CIA files on Biafra none of them ever spoke about soldiers commandering relief supplies meant for the masses. Please let us stop lying.

ekitimanalways:
Of course it's not the same. Frontline troops eat dirt and sleep in terrible conditions. But that's not some scandal, it's war. Command needs a functioning headquarters to plan, not a hunger strike. And comparing Nazi high command to Gowon's circle? Different wars, different scales. You're mixing valid points into a false equivalence.

Bros don't play smart here. War is war war time HQ are the same irrespective of battle terrain.

Irony1:
You guys seem to miss the point Ojukwu never wanted to rule over any Yoruba person that was why Bajo led the troops. You guys are too shortsighted walahi. Imagine you said igbo led NCNC govt. Was Balewa In NCNC? Balewa was head of the govt not Zik. You people are the ones that see igbos as your enemy whereas the real enemy is already upon you.

It isn't a matter of enemy but self preservation. Was it Balewa that made Igbos to head like ninety percent of parastatals in the first republic? To make the VCs of all federal universities Igbos when the highest ranking Igbo Prof became a Professor eighteen years after the most senior Yoruba Prof who became a Professor in UI in 1948?

If I don't want my neighbor to take over all my properties it does not mean I see him as an enemy. I just need boundary

The Igbos will not allow the Yoruba to take their property just because the Fulani too are taking their property. They will fight both

I guess you did not see Ojukwu's letter to Banjo? He said he will choose the governor of Lagos and appoint Banjo to Ibadan and Banjo must not do anything at all without his written approval. The western region got a better deal from the British in 1951

Irony1:
You seem bitter and sad that is why I would not respond to you because you are not sounding intelligent with this response of yours.

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Very logical, clear and sensible.

lawani:
It isn't a matter of enemy but self preservation. Was it Balewa that made Igbos to head like ninety percent of parastatals in the first republic? To make the VCs of all federal universities Igbos when the highest ranking Igbo Prof became a Professor eighteen years after the most senior Yoruba Prof who became a Professor in UI in 1948?

If I don't want my neighbor to take over all my properties it does not mean I see him as an enemy. I just need boundary

The Igbos will not allow the Yoruba to take their property just because the Fulani too are taking their property. They will fight both

Armaggedon:
You're late to the party. Quit the propaganda. People have watched the documentary and reached conclusions.

Pray hard so Nigeria won't divide, otherwise you're going to find it very difficult inside west Africa, especially Niger delta.

KGBKremlin:
Pray hard so Nigeria won't divide, otherwise you're going to find it very difficult inside west Africa, especially Niger delta.

In what way? Please explain. How exactly will any group find things more difficult and not easier as a result of a breakup of Nigeria? Not as if they are enjoying political offices outside their land in any significant way even as Nigeria remains one and not as if they will be barred from participating in politics anywhere when they qualify. So in what way will things become more difficult for any group?

Irony1:
Bros don't play smart here. War is war war time HQ are the same irrespective of battle terrain.

Bro, terrain literally changes everything—supply routes, communication range, even how you hide the HQ. A jungle command post isn't the same as a desert one.

Irony1:
Oga the CIA declassified file you are talking about does not exist I have read CIA files on Biafra none of them ever spoke about soldiers commandering relief supplies meant for the masses. Please let us stop lying.

Bro, I'm not interested in fighting. You see, in 2022, I came across a 1969 CIA file titled "The Biafran Relief Problem."
In summary, it talks about some set of people seeing starvation as a "legitimate weapon of war" (their exact words) and how relief agencies were hindered from sending supplies to the masses while the political class did nothing. Isn't that effectively the same situation of those in charge "commandering" resources meant for the people?
If I'm mistaken, please correct me.

Irony1:
It was never a fact there is no evidence that Banjo made request for supplies or even complained through dispatches that supply was thin. Please look for another propaganda to use.

Do your research thoroughly.

Irony1:
It was never a fact there is no evidence that Banjo made request for supplies or even complained through dispatches that supply was thin. Please look for another propaganda to use.

In addition, historical records show that Ojukwu, wrote a letter to Lt. Col. Victor Banjo on August 22, 1967, commanding him to "invade and liberate" Western Nigeria.

ekitimanalways:
In addition, historical records show that Ojukwu, wrote a letter to Lt. Col. Victor Banjo on August 22, 1967, commanding him to "invade and liberate" Western Nigeria.

Oga stop being crafty with your word Ojukwu said liberate western Nigeria from the clutches of the Hausa/Fulani. You added that invade to your sentence.

ekitimanalways:
Bro, terrain literally changes everything—supply routes, communication range, even how you hide the HQ. A jungle command post isn't the same as a desert one.

War is war despite the terrain whether it is desert or jungle warfare the military High command is always untouched. The same was with Gowon and also with Ojukwu.

lawani:
It isn't a matter of enemy but self preservation. Was it Balewa that made Igbos to head like ninety percent of parastatals in the first republic? To make the VCs of all federal universities Igbos when the highest ranking Igbo Prof became a Professor eighteen years after the most senior Yoruba Prof who became a Professor in UI in 1948?

If I don't want my neighbor to take over all my properties it does not mean I see him as an enemy. I just need boundary

The Igbos will not allow the Yoruba to take their property just because the Fulani too are taking their property. They will fight both

I guess you did not see Ojukwu's letter to Banjo? He said he will choose the governor of Lagos and appoint Banjo to Ibadan and Banjo must not do anything at all without his written approval. The western region got a better deal from the British in 1951

But before Balewa it was the British who were heads and igbos were deputies. Are you saying the British used nepotism? Oga go and do your research stop allowing you hatred of igbos cloud your thinking.

Irony1:
But before Balewa it was the British who were heads and igbos were deputies. Are you saying the British used nepotism? Oga go and do your research stop allowing you hatred of igbos cloud your thinking.

It is not right to be saying people hate Igbos when those people are just protecting their own interests. Where were the British head and Igbos deputy before independence? Yoruba have never had less than double the number of Igbo professionals in any field up till today. Not at any time. There was no time up till today that the number of any type of school in Yoruba land did not double the number in Igbo land. Be it primary, secondary or university. So where will the Igbo get the human resources from to achieve the feat you mentioned?

Don't join people saying Yoruba or any other group hate Igbos because there is no reason for anybody to hate Igbos. Everybody is doing their own thing. Igbo or Yoruba are not doing better than Ijaw, Urhobo, Berom or Tiv if not for population difference. They are not doing better than the Hausas if not that the Hausa are not taking HDI seriously especially western education

lawani:
It is not right to be saying people hate Igbos when those people are just protecting their own interests. Where were the British head and Igbos deputy before independence? Yoruba have never had less than double the number of Igbo professionals in any field up till today. Not at any time. There was no time up till today that the number of any type of school in Yoruba land did not double the number in Igbo land. Be it primary, secondary or university. So where will the Igbo get the human resources from to achieve the feat you mentioned?

Don't join people saying Yoruba or any other group hate Igbos because there is no reason for anybody to hate Igbos. Everybody is doing their own thing. Igbo or Yoruba are not doing better than Ijaw, Urhobo, Berom or Tiv if not for population difference. They are not doing better than the Hausas if not that the Hausa are not taking HDI seriously especially western education

Go and check again your data on number of professional prior to 1960. Do you know that the eastern region(igbos) had overtaken Western region in terms of enrollment numbers that was the reason why Awo introduced free education even Awo confessed in his autobiography that the east was ahead of the Western region in healthcare and education.

Irony1:
Oga stop being crafty with your word Ojukwu said liberate western Nigeria from the clutches of the Hausa/Fulani. You added that invade to your sentence.

On August 22, 1967, Ojukwu wrote to Banjo, ordering him to "invade and liberate" Western Nigeria from the "Hausa/Fulani dominated Nigeria". Multiple archives and contemporary sources confirm that Ojukwu commanded an "invasion" of the Western Region and the Midwest during the civil war.

Irony1:
Go and check again your data on number of professional prior to 1960. Do you know that the eastern region(igbos) had overtaken Western region in terms of enrollment numbers that was the reason why Awo introduced free education even Awo confessed in his autobiography that the east was ahead of the Western region in healthcare and education.

I don't know of Eastern region data. Is Eastern region Igbo? Not up to half of Eastern region is Igbo. We are talking of Igbo versus Yoruba and not Eastern region versus Yoruba and back then data was being manufactured. The fact is in 1960 the west had a budget of 55 million pounds and the East had 12 million pounds. That can't be disputed

lawani:
I don't know of Eastern region data. Is Eastern region Igbo? Not up to half of Eastern region is Igbo. We are talking of Igbo versus Yoruba and not Eastern region versus Yoruba and back then data was being manufactured. The fact is in 1960 the west had a budget of 55 million pounds and the East had 12 million pounds. That can't be disputed

Haaaa bros cool down naaa when you want to lie more than 50% of eastern region:s population is igbo. Na wah for you ooooo your hatred for igbos will make you keep fabricating data.

lawani:
I don't know of Eastern region data. Is Eastern region Igbo? Not up to half of Eastern region is Igbo. We are talking of Igbo versus Yoruba and not Eastern region versus Yoruba and back then data was being manufactured. The fact is in 1960 the west had a budget of 55 million pounds and the East had 12 million pounds. That can't be disputed

The east ran a pure capitalist model without a socialist or welfarist system that is why compared to the western region, the East had a surplus budget that is why under Okpara the east was the fastest growing region economically. The west ran a deficit govt that is why there was higher taxation in the west compared to the east. Cool down when you want to lie. Even when you put igbo vs Yorubas in the 60s igbos were far ahead

Irony1:
Haaaa bros cool down naaa when you want to lie more than 50% of eastern region:s population is igbo. Na wah for you ooooo your hatred for igbos will make you keep fabricating data.

The British put it at over 40 percent but calculate for yourself now. Nine states today were in the Eastern region. Do Igbo have the majority of the population in those nine states? Rivers is highly cosmopolitan even more than Lagos while others are not as cosmopolitan as Rivers. The SE is more cosmopolitan than the rest of the old Eastern region apart from Rivers

Irony1:
The east ran a pure capitalist model without a socialist or welfarist system that is why compared to the western region, the East had a surplus budget that is why under Okpara the east was the fastest growing region economically. The west ran a deficit govt that is why there was higher taxation in the west compared to the east. Cool down when you want to lie. Even when you put igbo vs Yorubas in the 60s igbos were far ahead

The west had five times the revenue of the East. The west did not run a deficit economy but were saving their surplus into a hedge fund called the WSIICC. The ancestor of the Oodua group

Irony1:
Oga stop being crafty with your word Ojukwu said liberate western Nigeria from the clutches of the Hausa/Fulani. You added that invade to your sentence.

Bia, did Western Nigeria send a telegram to Ikemba to ask for liberation from anyone?

Irony1:
The east ran a pure capitalist model without a socialist or welfarist system that is why compared to the western region, the East had a surplus budget that is why under Okpara the east was the fastest growing region economically. The west ran a deficit govt that is why there was higher taxation in the west compared to the east. Cool down when you want to lie. Even when you put igbo vs Yorubas in the 60s igbos were far ahead

.So what model would you say the west was running? They had the highest number of high net worth individuals in the country as well and it would be wrong to say the East was more of a free market than the west. So if Igbos were ahead of the Yorubas in the 1950s why not now? Why do the west now have far more schools? Why do they have by far the best universities by global ranking? Why did everything change overnight? It is easy to see something is wrong somewhere and that any data saying Igbos were ahead at any point was wrong. You can still go to city by city to count the number of schools that existed before 1960 and you will arrive at exactly the same conclusion.