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AntiChristian:
The thread is about trinity and you are quoting baptism verses!

That verse is not about trinity but Baptism! The verse never said the three mentioned are Gods or one!

That's not needed! IslamVIRGINS should teach his/her family that!

And you shouldn't mentioned anything baptism if you know that it is about Trinity

The verse is about Trinity as Jesus mentioned father, son and holy spirit

My family are aware of the concept of Trinity, you all in Islam are those that need to be tutored and main reason why allah in quran instructed you to visit those reading the Bible for questioning and guidelines!

AntiChristian:
This is for two people! Show us for three people!

2 people is duality!

3 people is trinity!

Also in John 17:22-23 Jesus said:
I have given them the glory You gave me, so that they may be one as We are one— I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me

So it seems Jesus prayed to be one with the disciples as he was with God!

I have done that already, the Trinity from the book of Mathew and duality from John 10:30!


You can not separate the word and spirit from the father. You have it also in your quran, the word and spirit is from who according to your quran? I am not saying allah is your father, don't misquote me, the word and spirit according to your quran verse is from who, I will be so happy if you can answer this!

Antiislaam:
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, you have started again abi

YES! Àbúrò ìyàwó babalawo nì mí èmi kọ́ ni babaláwo o!
So if you don't have anything tangible to say stop quoting me please!🙂

AntiChristian:
This is what i hate most in conversations with Christians. They just keep wasting your time. Show us where Prophets before Jesus taught trinity in the Bible, Three persons one God?

Like I said even if I show you those scriptures, you will play the dummy game if you don't understand the concept of God first and that is actually the underlying issue

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IslamVIRGINS:
Even father, son and Holy spirit came from pagan traditions!


Matthew 28:19. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

So where does the above verse teach that the three are coequal?

ayoncox:
Trinity is both in the Old and New Testaments, hundreds of scriptures attest to that the challenge many of you are having is not understanding first the concept of God which if you don't get it you can't understand Trinity. The word Trinity is not in the Bible but the signatures are scattered across the Holy Bible but you must first understand the concept of God first

what is the concept of God?

IslamVIRGINS:
The Father is God

John 6:27
Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.

Romans 1:7
To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 1:1–2
To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.


The Son is God

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Romans 9:5
To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

Colossians 2:9
For in him [Jesus] the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.

1Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.”

1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.


The Holy Spirit is God

Genesis 1:2–3
The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Acts 5:3–4
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.”

1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?



There is only one God

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.”

Isaiah 45:5–6
I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, that people may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the Lord, and there is no other.

Galatians 3:20
Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

1 Corinthians 8:4
Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.”

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

James 2:19
You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!

Whi is the only true God according to John 17:3, father, son or holy spirit?

King James Bible
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

MaxInDHouse:
YES! Àbúrò ìyàwó babalawo nì mí èmi kọ́ ni babaláwo o!
So if you don't have anything tangible to say stop quoting me please!🙂

You wan denial that b4 nii

Won ti ba mi tutored e so no need of qouting you

Truthseeker10:
Whi is the only true God according to John 17:3, father, son or holy spirit?

King James Bible
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Did you need explanation on the verse you quoted?

In father is the word who is the son Jesus Christ and the spirit of the father is holy spirit, you can't separate them from the father.

So asking who is true God is like pluralizing the whole concept of it because Christians don't serve Gods but God!

IslamVIRGINS:
Did you need explanation on the verse you quoted?

In father is the word who is the son Jesus Christ and the spirit of the father is holy spirit, you can't separate them from the father.

So asking who is true God is like pluralizing the whole concept of it because Christians don't serve Gods but God!

So the father and son are not seperate persons?

Truthseeker10:
So the father and son are not seperate persons?

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

IslamVIRGINS:
John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

So the Son and the father are the same person according to the verse above, Yes or no?

Truthseeker10:
So the Son and the father are the same person according to the verse above, Yes or no?

Can't you comprehend just 18 letter words?

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

Asking me Yes or No shows you can't comprehend just 18 letter words!

The answer to your question is there, don't ask me YES or NO

IslamVIRGINS:
Can't you comprehend just 18 letter words?

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

Asking me Yes or No shows you can't comprehend just 18 letter words!

The answer to your question is there, don't ask me YES or NO

The screenshot below proves that you have your own version of trinity.

Truthseeker10:
So the father and son are not seperate persons?

He has nothing meaningful to say that is how he goes about for months only to keep exchanging insults with one so called Muslim!🙂

Truthseeker10:
The screenshot below proves that you have your own version of trinity.

That's your own version of Trinity that is not inline with what is written in Bible. The Holy Bible is the scriptures of believers and not chatgpt. Why not quote from chapgpt rather than quoting John 17:3 from the Bible?

I used the book you qouted John 17:3 from which is Holy Bible to answer your question!

MaxInDHouse:
He has nothing meaningful to say that is how he goes about for months only to keep exchanging insults with one so called Muslim!🙂

Oro t'ologbon ba so....

Proverbs 15:7 is for you!

Truthseeker10:
what is the concept of God?

Good question, if you are a good student of History, I am not talking about the ones being taught in Classroom. I am talking about history of like 5000 years ago, you would realise that many of the jargons we are confused about now, they were very clear about it. First the concept of God began as a governmental narrative, for example each of the Pharaoh that be were called God and the primary meaning of God in the Bible is the word Judge, that is someone whose is so powerful that when he speaks it must happen, If he said Kill him that is it. The primary meaning of the word God in the Bible is Elohim and its main meaning is the word Judge and present Judicial system we have now in the world was derived from that even though it's a weaker form of what a typical Judge would be or do then. If for example you read Psalm 82 vs 1 you will see the verse says God stands in the midst of the mighty, he Judges among the gods, the word gods use there is also elohim but the direct translation is magistrate. The word god (in small letter) is not idol many thinks, instead it is magistrate that is a lower judge. That is why the Bible said the fool said in his heart there is no God, . So funny, it's like an Atheist saying there are no Judges, is that not foolishness. The concept of God is so deep and powerful that if you comprehend it you will not allow anyone to manipulate you. In those days during ancient times, the Kings are not only kings they are also Judges and Law givers, the Holy Scripture says God is our Judge, our Law giver and our King (Isaiah 33 vs 2) did you noticed that King came last because it's the weakest component then, not only that it's the part of their ruler that they see, the others are internalised but powerful. Do you know that the three arms of Government came from this narrative which was housed in individuals earlier, this itself is trinity, it's one Government but three arms, so are you saying they are the same. Now let's go to the Trinity, the first place you have trinity in the first 3 verses of the Holy Bible, it says God created the heavens and the earth, typical of what your President will do with his words either said or written we call it Executive order. Let me stop here first before I proceed because it's quite extensive

IslamVIRGINS:
That's your own version of Trinity that is not inline with what is written in Bible. The Holy Bible is the scriptures of believers and not chatgpt. Why not quote from chapgpt rather than quoting John 17:3 from the Bible?

I used the book you qouted John 17:3 from which is Holy Bible to answer your question!

Below is evidence that it is not my own version of the Trinity that I posted for you. I think you need to learn more about trinity before you start preaching about it.

ayoncox:
Good question, if you are a good student of History, I am not talking about the ones being taught in Classroom. I am talking about history of like 5000 years ago, you would realise that many of the jargons we are confused about now, they were very clear about it. First the concept of God began as a governmental narrative, for example each of the Pharaoh that be were called God and the primary meaning of God in the Bible is the word Judge, that is someone whose is so powerful that when he speaks it must happen, If he said Kill him that is it. The primary meaning of the word God in the Bible is Elohim and its main meaning is the word Judge and present Judicial system we have now in the world was derived from that even though it's a weaker form of what a typical Judge would be or do then. If for example you read Psalm 82 vs 1 you will see the verse says God stands in the midst of the mighty, he Judges among the gods, the word gods use there is also elohim but the direct translation is magistrate. The word god (in small letter) is not idol many thinks, instead it is magistrate that is a lower judge. That is why the Bible said the fool said in his heart there is no God, . So funny, it's like an Atheist saying there are no Judges, is that not foolishness. The concept of God is so deep and powerful that if you comprehend it you will not allow anyone to manipulate you. In those days during ancient times, the Kings are not only kings they are also Judges and Law givers, the Holy Scripture says God is our Judge, our Law giver and our King (Isaiah 33 vs 2) did you noticed that King came last because it's the weakest component then, not only that it's the part of their ruler that they see, the others are internalised but powerful. Do you know that the three arms of Government came from this narrative which was housed in individuals earlier, this itself is trinity, it's one Government but three arms, so are you saying they are the same. Now let's go to the Trinity, the first place you have trinity in the first 3 verses of the Holy Bible, it says God created the heavens and the earth, typical of what your President will do with his words either said or written we call it Executive order. Let me stop here first before I proceed because it's quite extensive

I don't read long epistles. So this God whom you call Judge is three?

Truthseeker10:
Below is evidence that it is not my own version of the Trinity that I posted for you. I think you need to learn more about trinity before you start preaching about it.

I only responded to the question op asked but if you want to learn more about Trinity, ask any questions regards it. I am here for you to tutored anyone that is confused 😕 like you!

I think we have settled with John 17:3?

IslamVIRGINS:
I only responded to the question op asked but if you want to learn more about Trinity, ask any questions regards it. I am here for you to tutored anyone that is confused 😕 like you!

I think we have settled with John 17:3?

Your own version of Trinity is clearly wrong by evidence of my screenshot. I would not waste time learning from you.

Truthseeker10:
Below is evidence that it is not my own version of the Trinity that I posted for you. I think you need to learn more about trinity before you start preaching about it.

Probably you should ask Chatgpt that who invented the idea of Bible because the word Bible isn't written in the scriptures the same way you asked who invented the idea of Trinity!

Truthseeker10:
Your own version of Trinity is clearly wrong by evidence of my screenshot. I would not waste time learning from you.

Your screenshot is not from the Bible, if you have anything against what I said, bring it up from the Bible and not from Chatgpt, is that clear?

IslamVIRGINS:
Probably you should ask Chatgpt that who invented the idea of Bible because the word Bible isn't written in the scriptures the same way you asked who invented the idea of Trinity!

I never claimed the word bible is in the bible. You are deflecting. I showed you evidence that those who developed the Trinity doctrine rejects the idea that Father and Son are the same person.

IslamVIRGINS:
Your screenshot is not from the Bible, if you have anything against what I said, bring it up from the Bible and not from Chatgpt, is that clear?

The screenshot below has enough bible verses for Trinitarians who disagree with you.

IslamVIRGINS:
Your screenshot is not from the Bible, if you have anything against what I said, bring it up from the Bible and not from Chatgpt, is that clear?

Below are Bible verses of Trinitarians who do not agree with you that the father and son are the same person.

MaxInDHouse:
He has nothing meaningful to say that is how he goes about for months only to keep exchanging insults with one so called Muslim!🙂

I have shown him that his own fellow Trinitarians do not agree with his own version of Trinity.

Truthseeker10:
I have shown him that his own fellow Trinitarians do not agree with his own version of Trinity.

The next thing now is how he will turn the debate into exchange of insults!😂