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geoworldedu:
➜I know a lot of his theories and I'm not ready to share it with you. I took my time to go through his messages before I could see them. You can ask well take your time to go through. I can only argue with someone who already knows it too. Not someone I have to start explaining them to.

Everyone out there has theories to offer. I don't intend on examining them all. I am more interested in examining the validity of the evidence presented. Only then would I consider the theory worth exploring.

If your argument is unsound, implying the conclusion is false, what is the point of exploring the premises?

QuinQQ:
So we know how and when the Bible came about. HOW and WHEN did this book come about??

4000 years ago, some humans said exactly what you said when Moses was writing his Torah(Bible). They said "We know how the Vedas came about, HOW and WHEN did this book (Bible) come about?

It's always like that. When they were writing the New Testament about 2000 years ago, the same question came up.

" WE know how the Torah(Old testament( came about. How and When did this book (New Testament) come about?

When Mohammed was busy writing evil religion 1500 years ago, they said 'We know how the Bible come about, how and when did the Quran come about?"

Otem said those who will understand it well are coming up as far as in the year 2625. Only very highly intelligent people can understand it right now. So I don't blame those who don't understand it yet.

geoworldedu:
4000 years ago, some humans said exactly what you said when Moses was writing his Torah(Bible). They said "We know how the Vedas came about, HOW and WHEN did this book (Bible) come about?

It's always like that. When they were writing the New Testament about 2000 years ago, the same question came up.

" WE know how the Torah(Old testament( came about. How and When did this book (New Testament) come about?

When Mohammed was busy writing evil religion 1500 years ago, they said 'We know how the Bible come about, how and when did the Quran come about?"

Otem said those who will understand it well are coming up as far as in the year 2625. Only very highly intelligent people can understand it right now. So I don't blame those who don't understand it yet.

There is a history to all these you mentioned. There is a background. There is no background to Otem. It is EXACTLY like Harry Porter which a woman sat down and wrote. Now change some names in it to popular religious names and say it actually happened!

QuinQQ:
There is a history to all these you mentioned. There is a background. There is no background to Otem. It is EXACTLY like Harry Porter which a woman sat down and wrote. Now change some names in it to popular religious names and say it actually happened!

Have you heard about Atum before? That's one background.

Have you heard about an era coming? The Age of Aquarius? That's a background.

And what was the background to the Torah 6000 years ago?

What was the background to Islam 3000 years ago?

What was the background to Christianity 5000 years ago?

geoworldedu:
Have you heard about Atum before? That's one background.

Have you heard about an era coming? The Age of Aquarius? That's a background.

And what was the background to the Torah 6000 years ago?

What was the background to Islam 3000 years ago?

What was the background to Christianity 5000 years ago?

See below. That is what is called background. You can't produce same for Otem's book because it is what someone sat down and wrote! And it has lots of ridiculous inconsistencies- like saying that not long ago people the size of tall buildings lived and died on earth. Where are their skeletons??

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QuinQQ:
See below. That is what is called background. You can't produce same for Otem's book because it is what someone sat down and wrote! And it has lots of ridiculous inconsistencies- like saying that not long ago people the size of tall buildings lived and died on earth. Where are their skeletons??

Have you heard about Hypatia? Her writeups is in the book and Otem is compiling.

Many more people's writeups are there. Oh, so you think it is just all about what Otem said? Writeups of many writers are there. Probably you only read two lines and drew your conclusion earlier. Even Plato, Aristotle and other philosopher's writeups are there. Go and check it out.

geoworldedu:
Have you heard about Hypatia? Her writeups is in the book and Otem is compiling.

Many more people's writeups are there. Oh, so you think it is just all about what Otem said? Writeups of many writers are there. Probably you only read two lines and drew your conclusion earlier. Even Plato, Aristotle and other philosopher's writeups are there. Go and check it out.

OtemAtum was trying to write science-fiction without being scientifically literate. He was exposed and he had to close shop and leave.
He wrote things like that right after the "great bang" humans the size of huge buildings appeared. And they came to earth 100 billion years ago (big bang was 13.8 billion years ago), and other such nonsense you'd expect from someone with zero scientific education. See excerpts below

geoworldedu:
Have you heard about Hypatia? Her writeups is

OtemAtum wrote that billions of years ago gigantic Chukwu, Olorun, Allah, etc came to earth to interact with men.
Please see timeline of the universe below, and that of humans

QuinQQ:
OtemAtum wrote that billions of years ago gigantic Chukwu, Olorun, Allah, etc came to earth to interact with men.
Please see timeline of the universe below, and that of humans

Universe didn't begin with humans. Universe is not centred on humans.

geoworldedu:
Universe didn't begin with humans. Universe is not centred on humans.

I know this is pure madness but I'm just induging myself.
You can't be totally science illiterate like Otem.
So look at the statements below. Did gigantic humans or gigantic anything appear after the "great bang" (as Otem puts it, knowing fully well it is called "big bang").
See timeline of life below.
Also look at all the circled.
This proves that no matter how crazy something someone makes up, some people will believe it!

QuinQ:
I know this is pure madness but I'm just induging myself.
You can't be totally science illiterate like Otem.
So look at the statements below. Did gigantic humans or gigantic anything appear after the "great bang" (as Otem puts it, knowing fully well it is called "big bang").
See timeline of life below.
Also look at all the circled.
This proves that no matter how crazy something someone makes up, some people will believe it!

You only put up human existence, rather than universe existence. According to Otem and science, the universe has existed billions of years back. So what are you even saying that doesn't make any sense. Let me Google the age of the universe first. Oga, I just did. Check it out in the image below and stop being ignorant.

QuinQ:
I know this is pure madness but I'm just induging myself.
You can't be totally science illiterate like Otem.
So look at the statements below. Did gigantic humans or gigantic anything appear after the "great bang" (as Otem puts it, knowing fully well it is called "big bang").
See timeline of life below.
Also look at all the circled.
This proves that no matter how crazy something someone makes up, some people will believe it!

I just saw your confusion Mr Quin. At the existence of the universe, the living things that came into existence were not any of the homos in the scientific timeline stated. Those ones were spiritual beings. You can't see them, just as science can't see spirit till date. As a matter of fact, those ones were the ones who eventually created the homo habilis, homo Erectuses, etc (physical beings you can see). And they didn't come to the earth until just millions of years back. Now I see your confusion. Otem called a place the inner universe. That was where all the beings of billions of years back were living until millions of years back when they came to the earth to start creating homos. If you see what Otem said there, he said they were in the spirit form. You learnt half-baked knowledge and was running around gallivanting with it

Let me use your timeline diagram to help you explain what Otem wrote.

That black circle below is when Yahweh and all other first being got created. They don't belong to any of the homos up there. They were called gods. As a matter of fact, they were the ones who later created the homos after billions of years. They have always been when the big bang happened. They came with the big bang. Now the second circle up there was the time when the gods different homos that you were showing me in your timeline. The homos were just millions of years back, not billions, unlike the first being which are not in the timeline. Otem is many steps ahead of science, but science will eventually get there.

geoworldedu:
You only put up human existence, rather than universe existence. According to Otem and science, the universe has existed billions of years back. So what are you even saying that doesn't make any sense. Let me Google the age of the universe first. Oga, I just did. Check it out in the image below and stop being ignorant.

See timeline of life in the universe (UNIVERSE!) below

geoworldedu:
Let me use your timeline diagram to help you explain what Otem wrote.

That black circle below is when Yahweh and all other first being got created. They don't belong to any of the homos up there. They were called gods. As a matter of fact, they were the ones who later created the homos after billions of years. They have always been when the big bang happened. They came with the big bang. Now the second circle up there was the time when the gods different homos that you were showing me in your timeline. The homos were just millions of years back, not billions, unlike the first being which are not in the timeline. Otem is many steps ahead of science, but science will eventually get there.

This is just ridiculous!😅
Arguing something Otem already argued and was defeated.
Here's the thread. Good read it yourself:

https://www.nairaland.com/5558432/what-difference-god-lord/12#84588520

QuinQ:
This is just ridiculous!😅
Arguing something Otem already argued and was defeated.
Here's the thread. Good read it yourself:

https://www.nairaland.com/5558432/what-difference-god-lord/12#84588520

I went there oga, I didn't see anything like defeat here na. You can lie for Africa sha. So what did Otem say that contradicted what I've been telling you here?

What you circled above, how did it contradict what Otem claimed?

geoworldedu:
I went there oga, I didn't see anything like defeat here na. You can lie for Africa sha. So what did Otem say that contradicted what I've been telling you here?

R U ok at all?
Did you read this below?
Did you read where he said Gods could not come to earth physically yet came.
You didn't read anything at all.

QuinQ:
R U ok at all?
Did you read this below?
Did you read where he said Gods could not come to earth physically yet came.
You didn't read anything at all.

This is why I always tell people to settle down well to read a book, but no, hurry hurry. They want to go and enjoy skits on tiktok, Facebook, YouTube. Pitiably they will read the book halfway and start to constitute nuisance everywhere.

Can't you sit still and read a book for at least one hour so you won't be making mockery of yourself this way? Otem said Yahweh and his brothers came to the earth billions of years ago but didn't start to create any physical homo until millions of years back. You can't read and when you get explanations you still can't understand. Na wa for some people o

geoworldedu:
This is why I always tell people to settle down well to read a book, but no, hurry hurry. They want to go and enjoy skits on tiktok, Facebook, YouTube. Pitiably they will read the book halfway and start to constitute nuisance everywhere.

Can't you sit still and read a book for at least one hour so you won't be making mockery of yourself this way? Otem said Yahweh and his brothers came to the earth billions of years ago but didn't start to create any physical homo until millions of years back. You can't read and when you get explanations you still can't understand. Na wa for some people o

Wow! Just WOW!! It's amazing what people will believe.
Below is how the first man was created according to Otem!

QuinQ:
Wow! Just WOW!! It's amazing what people will believe.
Below is how the first man was created according to Otem!

The first homo, not the first homosapiens. If you want me to post how the first homosapiens were made, I can help you with that.

geoworldedu:
The first homo, not the first homosapiens. If you want me to post how the first homosapiens were made, I can help you with that.

This is just unbelievable. Thus teaches me that people will believe anything. Your job is to just say it!

See circled below, did any non-microscopic being appear from the big bang?

Is earth's gravitational pull a result of some force buried inside the earth.

PURE NONSENSE and a sane person is believing it!😅

geoworldedu:
The first homo, not the first homosapiens. If you want me to post how the first homosapiens were made, I can help you with that.

Please, what is the difference?

QuinQ:
Please, what is the difference?

There are many homos, homo sapiens existed just around 200, 000 years and these were not created by the first beings.

geoworldedu:
There are many homos, homo sapiens existed just around 200, 000 years and these were not created by the first beings.

Homo Sapiens are homos and nothing near homos appeared after the big bang. No homos appeared even 3 million years ago. Life was microscopic for a very long time.
But really doesn't it amaze you what people would believe. Suppose Otem was someone with scientific education and made his stories match perfectly with science, just imagine how many disciples he'd have. Someone who told a story that is entirely in words, with absolutely no real world backing!

QuinQ:
Homo Sapiens are homos and nothing near homos appeared after the big bang. No homos appeared even 3 million years ago. Life was microscopic for a very long time.
But really doesn't it amaze you what people would believe. Suppose Otem was someone with scientific education and made his stories match perfectly with science, just imagine how many disciples he'd have. Someone who told a story that is entirely in words, with absolutely no real world backing!

The problems you have especially is that you didn't realise that Otem spoke about a lot of changes made to the universe at different period of time. You didn't read the book well. We call people like you half-baked. You read 1/1000 and then run away kabakaba. You thought that the position of the visible light rays of billions of years back is the same as what we have today? Otem explained many activities done in hiding inside other spectra of light that were not in the visible light rays. Abeg tell me all these timelines revealed to us today, how many of them were done in other realms aside the visible light rays you know about now? None. You need sound deep knowledge to really counter Otem bros. He's far beyond this time. Read about Nimshi here, doing things in other rays that are not visible light. Which year did science discover radio waves and other waves that they want to bring timeline on that? Or you think earth is only about the visible light rays?

Nimshi 3 : 1 - 5


1. And Nymphidis and Largas began to hunt for Nimshi, for he has spurred up some people against them.
2. And Nymphidis sent through Melchizedek, saying, tell my people that whoever shall get hold of Nimshi shall be rewarded with a great reward of my paradise. And such one shall I put in my book of remembrance and his name shall not be forgotten forever in this world and in the world to come.
3. And a thorough hunting began for Nimshi.
4. And when some saw him to capture him, he entered into the invisible rays again and they did not find him.
5. And Nimshi said, did your lord not tell you that he sees the whole world all at once? Now let him come and capture me himself if he could.

What are the timelines science has given us about happenings in the other rays apart from those in the invisible light rays? None.

What are the histories science has given us in the microscopic world or universe? None.

Abi all those other rays were only invented yesterday?

geoworldedu:
The problems you have especially is that you didn't realise that Otem spoke about a lot of changes made to the universe at different period of time. You didn't read the book well. We call people like you half-baked. You read 1/1000 and then run away kabakaba. You thought that the position of the visible light rays of billions of years back is the same as what we have today? Otem explained many activities done in hiding inside other spectra of light that were not in the visible light rays. Abeg tell me all these timelines revealed to us today, how many of them were done in other realms aside the visible light rays you know about now? None. You need sound deep knowledge to really counter Otem bros. He's far beyond this time. Read about Nimshi here, doing things in other rays that are not visible light. Which year did science discover radio waves and other waves that they want to bring timeline on that? Or you think earth is only about the visible light rays?

Nimshi 3 : 1 - 5


1. And Nymphidis and Largas began to hunt for Nimshi, for he has spurred up some people against them.
2. And Nymphidis sent through Melchizedek, saying, tell my people that whoever shall get hold of Nimshi shall be rewarded with a great reward of my paradise. And such one shall I put in my book of remembrance and his name shall not be forgotten forever in this world and in the world to come.
3. And a thorough hunting began for Nimshi.
4. And when some saw him to capture him, he entered into the invisible rays again and they did not find him.
5. And Nimshi said, did your lord not tell you that he sees the whole world all at once? Now let him come and capture me himself if he could.

What are the timelines science has given us about happenings in the other rays apart from those in the invisible light rays? None.

What are the histories science has given us in the microscopic world or universe? None.

Abi all those other rays were only invented yesterday?

This is simply unbelievable!😅
I wouldn't believe a sane person actually believes this if I weren't witnessing it myself!
So why do you think Otem disappeared? The "Gods of science" sent him to enlighten the world and he only did it on a forum someone else created in Nigeria!

See, Otem was all about science, except he has very limited scientific education. The story is full of things that are not consistent with science. I gave you an example of Otem saying Earthus put a force in earth to pull things back to it. He's not educated enough to know that Einstein determined long ago that's not how gravity works. There is no force in earth pulling anything down!😅 Also he clearly said gigantic humans appeared after the "great bang" - they resulted from it. Pure childish stupidity. Even Otem himself must be bemused someone actually believes the story as something that happened.
Even the names: Earthus is earth, Aferk is Africa, then u have Zeusus, Chukwu, Olorun, Visnu, Shiva, as among the proper names of the "thousands of gods". Then you have Yoruba and Igbo language mixed in

My friend, an imaginative irreligious someone was having fun. Read the work for entertainment just as you would read any novel or fairy tale.
Read it for escapism, to escape the mundane, everyday life. It is a FAIRY TALE!!!😅

QuinQ:
This is simply unbelievable!😅
I wouldn't believe a sane person actually believes this if I weren't witnessing it myself!
So why do you think Otem disappeared? The "Gods of science" sent him to enlighten the world and he only did it on a forum someone else created in Nigeria!

See, Otem was all about science, except he has very limited scientific education. The story is full of things that are not consistent with science. I gave you an example of Otem saying Earthus put a force in earth to pull things back to it. He's not educated enough to know that Einstein determined long ago that's not how gravity works. There is no force in earth pulling anything down!😅 Also he clearly said gigantic humans appeared after the "great bang" - they resulted from it. Pure childish stupidity. Even Otem himself must be bemused someone actually believes the story as something that happened.
Even the names: Earthus is earth, Aferk is Africa, then u have Zeusus, Chukwu, Olorun, Visnu, Shiva, as among the proper names of the "thousands of gods". Then you have Yoruba and Igbo language mixed in

My friend, an imaginative irreligious someone was having fun. Read the work for entertainment just as you would read any novel or fairy tale.
Read it for escapism, to escape the mundane, everyday life. It is a FAIRY TALE!!!😅

Everything you spoke here doesn't even make sense. Imagine, you wanted the book of universal history to start from Israel, USA or Germany before you can accept it. So you wanted the platform of X formerly twitter, Tiktok or Facebook to be the first place the knowledge will come to rather than Nairaland. So that's how you are so much dominated psychologically that you don't expect anything good from an African person.

Also you spoke of gravity of billions or millions of years ago, which was the past world gravity when we already have another world starting up thousands of years ago after the homo erectuses and you didn't realise that a change has happened to a lot of natural things. If there can be evolutions happening to homos from Erectus to Sapiens, so you think in your wildest imagination that evolution wouldn't happen to natural things too? Somebody like you will not believe it if they had told you that the whole continents were together at first before they started to break apart. Do you know why I love the BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY? It will first tell you how it was before and later tell you how and when it changed. I will show you exactly when gravity related stuffs changed and they are all from the GREAT BOOK

You need a coach aje

geoworldedu:
Everything you spoke here doesn't even make sense. Imagine, you wanted the book of universal history to start from Israel, USA or Germany before you can accept it. So you wanted the platform of X formerly twitter, Tiktok or Facebook to be the first place the knowledge will come to rather than Nairaland. So that's how you are so much dominated psychologically that you don't expect anything good from an African person.

Also you spoke of gravity of billions or millions of years ago, which was the past world gravity when we already have another world starting up thousands of years ago after the homo erectuses and you didn't realise that a change has happened to a lot of natural things. If there can be evolutions happening to homos from Erectus to Sapiens, so you think in your wildest imagination that evolution wouldn't happen to natural things too? Somebody like you will not believe it if they had told you that the whole continents were together at first before they started to break apart. Do you know why I love the BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY? It will first tell you how it was before and later tell you how and when it changed. I will show you exactly when gravity related stuffs changed and they are all from the GREAT BOOK

You need a coach aje

It would indeed have been good (not great) SCIENCE FICTION / FANTASY book if it were a bit more scientific.

Things have to at least make sense, don't you agree? Unless they are total fantasy. Gravity is simply a consequence of the curvature of spacetime around massive objects (see below). If Otem knew this he'd have said Earthus curved the spacetime around her and that'd have been more scientifically acceptable.
No, he wasn't describing things that happened billions of years ago. He was describing things that happened when Earthus gave birth to homo sapien after she was sexed - 200K years ago! There is no time for gravity to change to a force put in the ground by Earthus! (I'm surprised he doesn't have Nigerianus!)🤣

If you want a detailed science fiction set 50000 yrars out (that actually tallies totally with science), go and read Isaac Asimov's Foundation. You'd swear everything in it happened for real. Otem's book is, frankly, childish and NOT worth discussing even as Science Fiction. Just go and actually read the book. Pure childish nonsense. Yahweh came to earth as 4-story building high and stayed for billions of years on earth then came back as man and died. See how he died below.🤣😂

QuinQ:
It would indeed have been good (not great) SCIENCE FICTION / FANTASY book if it were a bit more scientific.

Things have to at least make sense, don't you agree? Unless they are total fantasy. Gravity is simply a consequence of the curvature of spacetime around massive objects (see below). If Otem knew this he'd have said Earthus curved the spacetime around her and that'd have been more scientifically acceptable.
No, he wasn't describing things that happened billions of years ago. He was describing things that happened when Earthus gave birth to homo sapien after she was sexed - 200K years ago! There is no time for gravity to change to a force put in the ground by Earthus! (I'm surprised he doesn't have Nigerianus!)🤣

If you want a detailed science fiction set 50000 yrars out (that actually tallies totally with science), go and read Isaac Asimov's Foundation. You'd swear everything in it happened for real. Otem's book is, frankly, childish and NOT worth discussing even as Science Fiction. Just go and actually read the book. Pure childish nonsense. Yahweh came to earth as 4-story building high and stayed for billions of years on earth then came back as man and died. See how he died below.🤣😂

Your problem once again is that you didn't read the book and you are just drawing conclusions very fast. Many happenings of the past where brought back into our present world without the need of the gods to make them happen. And Otem said so in his book. All these gods in the homosapiens era didn't manifest one bit of what they did in the past world. They were just as natural as possible but people talk about their deeds of the past world as if they are done in our present world here. Gravity is one of it. When the new world came about, all things happened naturally and not by any gods. Otem said that. He said everything in this present world are natural and not by the gods or past beings. You didn't read.

geoworldedu:
Everything you spoke here doesn't even make sense. Imagine, you wanted the book of universal history to start from Israel, USA or

It shouldn't start and end so abruptly all on NL is the point, and Otem disappear - someone that was sent by "Gods of science" to reveal the truth!

By the way, you have no idea how truly huge a billion is. You CANNOT count to a billion in 3 lifetimes if ALL you do all your life is count!