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Truthseeker10:
How many places did you mention that says that man is three?

At least 7, man as triune

ayoncox:
At least 7, man as triune

lol....where are the seven verses? The only verse you opened for evidence for man is three is 1 Thessalonians 5:23 which I have countered with Mark 12:30. So where are the remaining six verses that says that man is three?

ayoncox:
Like I said even if I show you those scriptures, you will play the dummy game if you don't understand the concept of God first and that is actually the underlying issue

I think it doesn't exist anywhere in the Bible without you reading into the text with your Trinitarian ideology!

AntiChristian:
I think it doesn't exist anywhere in the Bible without you reading into the text with your Trinitarian ideology!

it's not a Trinitarian ideology it's a systemic protocol common to life not only limited to God. I already mentioned that the word God as a concept in the Bible has its primary meaning to be Judge. If you don't understand how the typical Judiciary and the Government of different nations work you can't understand the concept of God because all we do now as civilisation in terms of Government and Law were derived either positively or negatively from the Holy Bible

IslamVIRGINS:
I have done that already, the Trinity from the book of Mathew and duality from John 10:30!

You can not separate the word and spirit from the father. You have it also in your quran, the word and spirit is from who according to your quran? I am not saying allah is your father, don't misquote me, the word and spirit according to your quran verse is from who, I will be so happy if you can answer this!

This discussion is from the Bible and not the Qur'an.

The book of Matthew was written independent of the book of John. The book of John came very much later than Matthew.

No, you haven't done anything! The Matthew verse didn't mention God or three is one!

The John verse was talking about oneness of purpose of Jesus and the father!

If Jesus and the father are one physically then the father would have died with Jesus on the cross!

IslamVIRGINS:
And you shouldn't mentioned anything baptism if you know that it is about Trinity

The verse is about Trinity as Jesus mentioned father, son and holy spirit

My family are aware of the concept of Trinity, you all in Islam are those that need to be tutored and main reason why allah in quran instructed you to visit those reading the Bible for questioning and guidelines!

Trinity is not just mentioning father, son and holy spirit. Trinity is saying that the father, son and holy spirit are each Gods and are one!

And no verse exists in the Bible without you reading into it.

AntiChristian:
Trinity is not just mentioning father, son and holy spirit. Trinity is saying that the father, son and holy spirit are each Gods and are one!

And no verse exists in the Bible without you reading into it.

That is why I said you need knowledge and understanding of Trinity. You are only confusing yourself with your own word.

You asked about where Jesus mentioned Trinity, I gave you the book of Matthew where he personally mentioned Father, son and Holy spirit Which are all in father

Let me ask you this again if at all you will answer. Can you separate your own word and spirit from thyself, is your own word and spirit not in you?

AntiChristian:
This discussion is from the Bible and not the Qur'an.

And did I quoted any verse from your quran?

AntiChristian:
The book of Matthew was written independent of the book of John. The book of John came very much later than Matthew.

What you asked was where did Jesus taught trinity? I can bring my response from anywhere in Bible so far it answer your question. So don't analyzed the book of Matthew and John for me. That is not what you asked!

AntiChristian:
No, you haven't done anything! The Matthew verse didn't mention God or three is one!

Is father not God?

So because Jesus didn't mentioned God the father, son and holy spirit means it doesn't have anything to do with Godhead?

AntiChristian:
The John verse was talking about oneness of purpose of Jesus and the father!

You finally agreed about oneness of Jesus and father, I thought you are taking them as difference entity.

The spirit of father is Holy spirit and the word of the father is Jesus. You cannot separate them, they are all in father.

You have a spirit, didn't you? And is your word not you?

Just think! 🤔

AntiChristian:
If Jesus and the father are one physically then the father would have died with Jesus on the cross!

Is the father physically here on earth? Try to be reasoning before talking!

The word of the father which is Jesus turns flesh to dwell and abide with us. John 1:14, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth".

Father sent his word Jesus to dwelt with us, father is not here physically rather in spiritualism with us!

IslamVIRGINS:
That is why I said you need knowledge and understanding of Trinity. You are only confusing yourself with your own word.

So i need to first understand trinity first and then use my understanding of trinity to interpret the trinity that does not exist in the Bible right?

You asked about where Jesus mentioned Trinity, I gave you the book of Matthew where he personally mentioned Father, son and Holy spirit Which are all in father

But there was no trinity in that baptism verse! It just mentioned the father, son and the holy spirit. How do we know they are God? How do we know they are One God? Three in one? You just keep repeating this as you can't find your trinity anywhere in the Bible from Jesus.

Let me ask you this again if at all you will answer. Can you separate your own word and spirit from thyself, is your own word and spirit not in you?

I am a human. My word is from me and my spirit/soul is part of my make up. They are both not eternal!

IslamVIRGINS:
And did I quoted any verse from your quran?

Why mention the Qur'an in a covo that mainly deals with your Bible?

What you asked was where did Jesus taught trinity? I can bring my response from anywhere in Bible so far it answer your question. So don't analyzed the book of Matthew and John for me. That is not what you asked!

Both the Matthew and John verses didn't define trinity at all. Can you define trinity here now and show us how those verses defined it like that?[/quote]Is father not God?

So because Jesus didn't mentioned God the father, son and holy spirit means it doesn't have anything to do with Godhead?[/quote]Yes, exactly. In the Old testament, YHWH was everywhere saying he is God clearly without ambiguity!

Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. Isaiah 46:9

I am the LORD, and there is no other; there is no God but Me. I will equip you for battle, though you have not known Me. Isaiah 45:5

You were shown these things so that you would know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides Him. Deuteronomy 4:35

It has to be clear. You don't need to read trinity into the verses!

You finally agreed about oneness of Jesus and father, I thought you are taking them as difference entity.

The spirit of father is Holy spirit and the word of the father is Jesus. You cannot separate them, they are all in father.

You have a spirit, didn't you? And is your word not you?

Just think! 🤔

I asked "If the father and son are one why didn't the father die when the son died"? They are not one physically but by purpose!

Which Bible verse specifically defines the spirit of the father as the Holy Spirit and the word of the father as the son?

I don't compare myself to God! God's word is uncreated and eternal. It does not die!

Is the father physically here on earth? Try to be reasoning before talking!

The word of the father which is Jesus turns flesh to dwell and abide with us. John 1:14, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth".

Father sent his word Jesus to dwelt with us, father is not here physically rather in spiritualism with us!

The father is everywhere physically according to Christianity!
What word is turning to flesh? Are you saying the spoken words of Yahweh = Jesus? So everything YHWH speaks is another Jesus on its own!

All is just talk talk according to the trinitarian dogma embedded in your head and unfounded in the Bible!

AntiChristian:
Why mention the Qur'an in a covo that mainly deals with your Bible?

Atleast if you don't have first degree, you should have primary education to be able to comprehend this my statement!

You can not separate the word and spirit from the father. You have it also in your quran, the word and spirit is from who according to your quran?

You have something related to word and spirit from your quran. Did I quoted any verse there?

AntiChristian:
Both the Matthew and John verses didn't define trinity at all. Can you define trinity here now and show us how those verses defined it like that?

Is father not God?

So because Jesus didn't mentioned God the father, son and holy spirit means it doesn't have anything to do with Godhead? Yes, exactly. In the Old testament, YHWH was everywhere saying he is God clearly without ambiguity!

Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. Isaiah 46:9

I am the LORD, and there is no other; there is no God but Me. I will equip you for battle, though you have not known Me. Isaiah 45:5

You were shown these things so that you would know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides Him. Deuteronomy 4:35

It has to be clear. You don't need to read trinity into the verses!

You finally agreed about oneness of Jesus and father, I thought you are taking them as difference entity.

The spirit of father is Holy spirit and the word of the father is Jesus. You cannot separate them, they are all in father.

You have a spirit, didn't you? And is your word not you?

Matthew and John don't need to define trinity, I said I answered your question that say where does Jesus taught trinity and I quoted Bible verses where he mentioned Father, son and Holy spirit

AntiChristian:
Just think! 🤔 I asked "If the father and son are one why didn't the father die when the son died"? They are not one physically but by purpose!

Which Bible verse specifically defines the spirit of the father as the Holy Spirit and the word of the father as the son?

I don't compare myself to God! God's word is uncreated and eternal. It does not die!

Is the father physically here on earth? Try to be reasoning before talking!

The word of the father which is Jesus turns flesh to dwell and abide with us. John 1:14, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth".

Father sent his word Jesus to dwelt with us, father is not here physically rather in spiritualism with us!

I am not saying you compare yourself with God, who are you to compare yourself with God in the first instance!

I asked is your word and spirit not in you, can you separate yourself from your own spirit and word? Can you

Just simple YES or NO is enough!

AntiChristian:
The father is everywhere physically according to Christianity!
What word is turning to flesh? Are you saying the spoken words of Yahweh = Jesus? So everything YHWH speaks is another Jesus on its own!

All is just talk talk according to the trinitarian dogma embedded in your head and unfounded in the Bible!

Where is it written in Bible that father is here physically that anyone can see with his or her eye 👀

Just give me a Bible verse to this question and don't try dodging it as you have been dodging all my questions in the past

AntiChristian:
So i need to first understand trinity first and then use my understanding of trinity to interpret the trinity that does not exist in the Bible right?

You need to first understand what 3 in 1 is!

I told you earlier that Trinity as a word is not written down in the scripture but Father, son and Holy spirit is there in the book of Matthew I shared with you earlier in response to your question.

AntiChristian:
But there was no trinity in that baptism verse! It just mentioned the father, son and the holy spirit. How do we know they are God? How do we know they are One God? Three in one? You just keep repeating this as you can't find your trinity anywhere in the Bible from Jesus.

So father, son and Holy spirit is not in Matthew 28:19 right? You need to work on your comprehensive ability

AntiChristian:
I am a human. My word is from me and my spirit/soul is part of my make up. They are both not eternal!

Good for acknowledging to this.

This is what makes up Trinity, in father is word and spirit. The word is Jesus while the spirit is Holy Ghost/spirit

Since what make you up and part of you is your word and spirit, it is the same thing that makes trinity up, Word and Spirit. This the union of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in one God and not Gods or gods!

Outside spiritual terms, Trinity can means any THREE OBJECTS, PEOPLE OR GROUPS IN ONE ENTITY.

Sebi you do Hausa, Igbo and Yoruba in Primary school? The three ethnic groups made up of Nigeria. This is simply 3 in 1

IslamVIRGINS:
Atleast if you don't have first degree, you should have primary education to be able to comprehend this my statement!

You can not separate the word and spirit from the father. You have it also in your quran, the word and spirit is from who according to your quran?

You have something related to word and spirit from your quran. Did I quoted any verse there?

The understanding of word and Spirit in Islam is entirely different from that in Christianity! If you are saying the father has a spirit, then the son too should have a spirit.

Spirit in the the Qur'an can mean 1. Holy Spirit = Angel Gabriel. 2. Created Spirit (Soul) which was breath into Adam; every human have this. I still don't knoe how this is related with anything here!

Matthew and John don't need to define trinity, I said I answered your question that say where does Jesus taught trinity and I quoted Bible verses where he mentioned Father, son and Holy spirit

Jesus never thought anyone any trinity! He was sending out the disciples in Matthew. And In John, nowhere was trinity mentioned nor three in one God!

When Jesus taught people he said the Lord our God is one, not three in one!

I am not saying you compare yourself with God, who are you to compare yourself with God in the first instance!

I asked is your word and spirit not in you, can you separate yourself from your own spirit and word? Can you

Just simple YES or NO is enough!

My Soul/Spirit are part of what my make up! And my spoken words come from me but is not me.

I can't separate them from me. But God's spirit can be separate from him according to the Bible as He sends it around!

Where is it written in Bible that father is here physically that anyone can see with his or her eye 👀

Just give me a Bible verse to this question and don't try dodging it as you have been dodging all my questions in the past

The father is everywhere physically doesn't mean the same thing as everyone can see Him. Didn't Moses see God face to face in Exodus?
The Bible said God is Spirit (unseen) though!

Check Psalm 139:7–10, Jeremiah 23:23–24, Proverbs 15:3, Ephesians 4:6,, Acts 17:27–28.

IslamVIRGINS:
You need to first understand what 3 in 1 is!

I told you earlier that Trinity as a word is not written down in the scripture but Father, son and Holy spirit is there in the book of Matthew I shared with you earlier in response to your question.

You keep saying the same thing like a broken radio. The father, son and spirit was mentioned but were never called God or three in one God!

Jesus replied, “This is the most important: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One. Mark 12:29 Not three!

So father, son and Holy spirit is not in Matthew 28:19 right? You need to work on your comprehensive ability

Who is the father from that Matthew verse?
Who is the son from that Matthew verse?
Who is the spirit from that Matthew verse?

Anyone who have no idea of your Bible ever before would read that verse and not know any Gods in there!

Good for acknowledging to this.

This is what makes up Trinity, in father is word and spirit. The word is Jesus while the spirit is Holy Ghost/spirit

Since what make you up and part of you is your word and spirit, it is the same thing that makes trinity up, Word and Spirit. This the union of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in one God and not Gods or gods!

Outside spiritual terms, Trinity can means any THREE OBJECTS, PEOPLE OR GROUPS IN ONE ENTITY.

Sebi you do Hausa, Igbo and Yoruba in Primary school? The three ethnic groups made up of Nigeria. This is simply 3 in 1

This is what you are programmed with from the church! Show us where this is explained and taught to the disciples by Jesus?

Jesus said " Hear O Israel! The Lord Our God is three in One! IslamVIRGINS1:1

AntiChristian:
You keep saying the same thing like a broken radio. The father, son and spirit was mentioned but were never called God or three in one God!

Jesus replied, “This is the most important: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One. Mark 12:29 Not three!
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I will keep on repeating if you don't stop asking already answered and explained question of yours!

AntiChristian:
Who is the father from that Matthew verse?
Who is the son from that Matthew verse?
Who is the spirit from that Matthew verse?

Anyone who have no idea of your Bible ever before would read that verse and not know any Gods in there!
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Jehovah is the father
Jesus Christ is the son
Holy spirit is the spirit of God

AntiChristian:
This is what you are programmed with from the church! Show us where this is explained and taught to the disciples by Jesus?

Jesus said " Hear O Israel! The Lord Our God is three in One! IslamVIRGI:1

You were programmed to be asking already answered questions from your mosque and arabic school upon that allah in quran told you to question those reading the Bible!

AntiChristian:
The understanding of word and Spirit in Islam is entirely different from that in Christianity! If you are saying the father has a spirit, then the son too should have a spirit.

Spirit in the the Qur'an can mean 1. Holy Spirit = Angel Gabriel. 2. Created Spirit (Soul) which was breath into Adam; every human have this. I still don't knoe how this is related with anything here!

I am not referring to your Jibreel, I am referring to what was written in quran 4:171 that says your Eesa is the spirit from allah!

AntiChristian:
Jesus never thought anyone any trinity! He was sending out the disciples in Matthew. And In John, nowhere was trinity mentioned nor three in one God!

When Jesus taught people he said the Lord our God is one, not three in one!

Jesus mentioned Father, Son and Holy spirit in the book of Matthew as given to you earlier. I will keep on saying this if you won't stop!

AntiChristian:
My Soul/Spirit are part of what my make up! And my spoken words come from me but is not me.

I can't separate them from me. But God's spirit can be separate from him according to the Bible as He sends it around!

That is exactly what trinity is all about. Your spirit and word that is from you makes up you. Word and Spirit are from father, they are one with the father that can't be separated!

AntiChristian:
The father is everywhere physically doesn't mean the same thing as everyone can see Him. Didn't Moses see God face to face in Exodus?
The Bible said God is Spirit (unseen) though!

Check Psalm 139:7–10, Jeremiah 23:23–24, Proverbs 15:3, Ephesians 4:6,, Acts 17:27–28.

Probably you should ask google for the meaning of Physically.

Moses never see the face of God, get that in inside your 🧠

Exodus 33:11
And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend

Exodus 33:20
But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.”