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GravityDefier:
IF he does, will he be forgiven?
Who then will command the torturing in hell fire?

Answer the question now

Why use question to answer question

Mt 18:23-35

“At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

29 “[b]His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’

30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”

God forgives but He does not forget. That's why He says he'll judge us on the judgement day.

femi4:
Answer the question now

Why use question to answer question

Mt 18:23-35

“At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

29 “[b]His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’

30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”

No, he hasn't asked.

Now back to my question.
IF the devil should ask God for forgiveness at this point, will God forgive him? Remember the title of this particular thread while answering the question.

GravityDefier:
No, he hasn't asked.

Now back to my question.
IF the devil should ask God for forgiveness at this point, will God forgive him? Remember the title of this particular thread while answering the question.

yes

That's what vs 35 explained

Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to

GravityDefier:
IF the devil should ask God for forgiveness at this point.

The devil has been sentenced to death in the garden of Eden and all the armies of heaven (angels) are waiting to see how the devil will be destroyed.

So he can never ever ask for forgiveness. What he intended to do now is to annoy God to the point of destroying everything.

So, God will also forgive Adolph Hitler of Germany and King Lepold of Belgium for the millions of innocent people they murdered, right?

Ajsmart:
So, God will also forgive Adolph Hitler of Germany and King Lepold of Belgium for the millions of innocent people they murdered, right?

Forgiveness has nothing to do with how many people they killed what they will face as problems is when they are resurrected to see those people in the same Paradise with them but then Adolf Hitler must humbly treat them as his neighbors just as Jesus commanded if he refuses that is when he will be destroyed but until then he doesn't know what he's doing because Satan is the one controlling him!

MaxInDHouse:
The devil has been sentenced to death in the garden of Eden and all the armies of heaven (angels) are waiting to see how the devil will be destroyed.

So he can never ever ask for forgiveness. What he intended to do now is to annoy God to the point of destroying everything.

At the bolded, yes he can't.

My question is IF the ATROCITIES OF HIS MAGNITUDE is forgiveable (from what he is believed to have done from the beginning of time to date).

femi4:
yes

That's what vs 35 explained

Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to

I don't quite agree with you on this Sir.

The holy book says that it's not all sins that are forgiveable.

GravityDefier:
At the bolded, yes he can't.

My question is IF the ATROCITIES OF HIS MAGNITUDE is forgiveable (from what he is believed to have done from the beginning of time to date).

He is a perfect being who knows what he is doing not imperfect human unaware of what he is doing. Secondly perfect beings have all the things they need to enjoy life and also see God face to face while imperfect humans are struggling to understand what is happening around them.

That is why God promised to forgive imperfect humans no matter what they did because they don't know what they are doing. Once a person understands what is happening around him but chose to go against God's will that grace is no longer there again for such individuals! Matthew 12:31-32

AntiChristian:
I still can't understand why forgiveness cannot just be seamless! Humans sins, repents and is forgiven.

Why must God come to kill himself as his own son?

And having people inherit sin they never committed is another injustice from the theory of original sin.

Your Hadith says your Arab chief deity will place the sins of Muslims on Christians and Jews!

What kind of god does that?! What an unjust demon your allllla is?!

The Bible god never forgives

GravityDefier:
I don't quite agree with you on this Sir.

The holy book says that it's not all sins that are forgiveable.

But the book stated the sin. Why not put it out there

femi4:
But the book stated the sin. Why not put it out there

Moses passionately pleaded with God to let him enter the Promised Land, but God ultimately denied his request.

If he hadn't pleaded, maybe we would have used the excuse that it was because he didn't ask for forgiveness.

The above I put out to you wasn't even the part of sin that is unforgivable you were expecting to hear.

GravityDefier:
Moses passionately pleaded with God to let him enter the Promised Land, but God ultimately denied his request.

If he hadn't pleaded, maybe we would have used the excuse that it was because he didn't ask for forgiveness.

The above I put out to you wasn't even the part of sin that is unforgivable you were expecting to hear.

You are mixing things up
Forgiveness and request for favour are not the same thing

God forgives moses but didnt grant his request of entering the promise land

Same applies to David, he was forgiven but God didnt grant his request, the child died eventually

Adam n Eve were forgiven but God chased them out of the Garden

femi4:
Adam n Eve were forgiven but God chased them out of the Garden

Adam and Eve were never forgiven they have lost their lives completely so they will never ever be resurrected!

MaxInDHouse:
Adam and Eve were never forgiven they have lost their lives completely so they will never ever be resurrected!

lolz

The first remission of sin via blood of animal happened in garden of eden

Gen 3:21

The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.

femi4:
lolz
The first remission of sin via blood of animal happened in garden of eden
Gen 3:21
The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.

God gave them clothes but never talked to them again.
That is a sign they have been condemned forever!

MaxInDHouse:
God gave them clothes but never talked to them again.
That is a sign they have been condemned forever!

lolz

Clothe or skin of an animal..abeg go read your bible

femi4:
lolz
Clothe or skin of an animal..abeg go read your bible.

Clothes in ancient times were made of animal skin nah so God made the first cloth for them but never talked to them again after driving them away!😟

MaxInDHouse:
Clothes in ancient times were made of animal skin nah so God made the first cloth for them but never talked to them again after driving them away!😟

So the skin of animal came from where

femi4:
So the skin of animal came from where.

God clothed them because they said:

"We are naked" Genesis 3:10 compare to verse 21

When God forgives the person regain the line of communication again but that never happened to Adam and Eve because they were perfect humans.

For your information no sacrifice can wash away the sin of Adam and Eve the reason why Jesus' blood can wash away our sin is because we are born in sin it's not by our doing that we became sinners but we inherited it. But Adam and Eve chose to practice sin wilfully {Hebrews 10:26} that is the sin against the spirit of God. Matthew 12:31-32

When you don't understand where the law is coming from you may be confused on whether to obey or not but when you are sure it's from God and you deliberately chose to break it all what remains is God will confront you if you will instantly beg for mercy but when you decide to shift blame then there is no forgiveness for you.

That is exactly what Adam and Saul the first Israelite King did unlike David who immediately said:
"I have sinned against God"

So Adam, Eve, Saul and most Pharisees in the first century knew exactly that they were standing against God's spirit!😟

MaxInDHouse:
God clothed them because they said:

"We are naked" Genesis 3:10 compare to verse 21

When God forgives the person regain the line of communication again but that never happened to Adam and Eve because they were perfect humans.

For your information no sacrifice can wash away the sin of Adam and Eve the reason why Jesus' blood can wash away our sin is because we are born in sin it's not by our doing that we became sinners but we inherited it. But Adam and Eve chose to practice sin wilfully {Hebrews 10:26} that is the sin against the spirit of God. Matthew 12:31-32

When you don't understand where the law is coming from you may be confused on whether to obey or not but when you are sure it's from God and you deliberately chose to break it all what remains is God will confront you if you will instantly beg for mercy but when you decide to shift blame then there is no forgiveness for you.

That is exactly what Adam and Saul the first Israelite King did unlike David who immediately said:
"I have sinned against God"

So Adam, Eve, Saul and most Pharisees in the first century knew exactly that they were standing against God's spirit!😟

I didn't ask for an epistle..just answer the question now

The skin came from where?


2. This is Eve talking about God here post garden of Eden

Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth,[a] saying, “God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him

femi4:
You are mixing things up
Forgiveness and request for favour are not the same thing

God forgives moses but didnt grant his request of entering the promise land

Same applies to David, he was forgiven but God didnt grant his request, the child died eventually

Adam n Eve were forgiven but God chased them out of the Garden

The favours/requests were denied due to ...?


Forgiven sins right?

femi4:
I didn't ask for an epistle..just answer the question now

The skin came from where?


2. This is Eve talking about God here post garden of Eden

Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth,[a] saying, “God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him

How many people claim God gave them children today?
Are they all worshipers of God?

Well it seems you don't know what it means to talk about God and when God is talking to someone!🤔

MaxInDHouse:
How many people claim God gave them children today?
Are they all worshipers of God?

Well it seems you don't know what it means to talk about God and when God is talking to someone!🤔

End of the conversation

You choose to avoid answering the question

GraciousEnergy:
.Grace cannot be exhausted. However, certain level of sin comes with it's punishment. What you see is what you reap.

This is not true brother. We all saw the grace God gave to Sodom and Gomorrah. He even gave them principle of law of presumption of innocence in saying "let us go down to see if what they say about them is true". And after that, punishment Same thing we saw happened to Isreal, Saul, Esau etc.

When grace expires, wrath follows.

GravityDefier:
The favours/requests were denied due to ...?


Forgiven sins right?

Well, that's why He's Almighty...He doesn't grant all requests

femi4:
End of the conversation
You choose to avoid answering the question

It's OK thanks!🙂

femi4:
You too missed the important part of the message

Hint: Read the topic again

We all got the message that is why the thread even flowed in line with that message. However, the other guys observational objection is also in that message and it should be addressed and it can be addressed and properly addressing it will also advance the message

Dtruthspeaker:
We all got the message that is why the thread even flowed in line with that message. However, the other guys observational objection is also in that message and it should be addressed and it can be addressed and properly addressing it will also advance the message

Unfortunately, you came late