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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 12:29pm On Jun 18
IjeBos:
The 300 Billion is clearly a mechanism so the US won't be saying they are giving Iran money.
You have now added conspiracy theories to your issues
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 12:29pm On Jun 18
bayelsaowei:
🤣🤣😂😂..

Trump is now a terrorist sympathizer..

Basilico, benalvino3 and the blood thirsty Raumdeuter .. come and carry Trump o.. I can’t believe I just read this.. the same thing we’ve been complaining about only to be called terrorists on this group.

Isreal leveling buildings with the claim that everybody in that building is either a terrorist or that those buildings are filled with humans who are being used as shields.. so the solution is keep blowing down buildings.. and some insane Nigerians clink their glasses to that..
Israel should wipe them out actually.

And this is me being kind.

Anyone who does not like it should try to wipe Israel out like hamas and hezbollah are trying to do.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 12:31pm On Jun 18
nateevs:
President Trump: ....

“Israel is fighting Hezbollah too long, and too many people are being killed,”

“You don’t have to knock down an apartment house every time you’re looking for somebody. There are a lot of people in those apartment houses, and they’re not all Hezbollah.... that I can tell you”



You don't say! You mean Israel is doing too much?

The Israelis are having quite literally collective nervous breakdown and going bunkers over this statement and that's our signal for popcorn time.

Trump officially launched "America first vs Israel first bomb" inside the MAGA camp and I am all for this mutiny.


Oya Basilico, Dayo and all the other weyreys. Who is right, Trump or Israel? 😁😁😁
Is there any place for common sense in your world where Hezbollah does not attack Israel or is that a reality they have to live with?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 12:33pm On Jun 18
bayelsaowei:
🤣🤣😂😂..

Trump is now a terrorist sympathizer..

Basilico, benalvino3 and the blood thirsty Radeuter .. come and carry Trump o.. I can’t believe I just read this.. the same thing we’ve been complaining about only to be called terrorists on this group.

Isreal leveling buildings with the claim that everybody in that building is either a terrorist or that those buildings are filled with humans who are being used as shields.. so the solution is keep blowing down buildings.. and some insane Nigerians clink their glasses to that..
Is it possible that your Hezbollah friends do not attack Israel? Or how many of those rockets will he allow in your own country from a terror group
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 12:34pm On Jun 18
basilico:
Democrat supporters here don't know anything about JPCOA. The only thing was that it made Obama look good. To the contrary the deal sought to free Iran from any constraint s to develop nuclear bombs and missiles after 10 years.
Today the international community would be helpless had Iran agreed by the JPCOA and kept it's end of the bargain.
What I'm seeing here is gloating about the war having failed to dislodge the regime and casting Trump as a failure. There is no agreement yet. Hear that.
Shortcomings of JPCOA

....identified several core shortcomings, loopholes, and structural omissions in the original 2015 JCPOA framework.📑
Structural Shortcomings and Loopholes

1. Sunset Clauses: The treaty’s restrictions were temporary rather than permanent. The core caps on uranium enrichment levels, centrifuge limits, and heavy-water facility bans were designed to expire completely between 10 and 15 years, leaving Iran free to legally build an industrial-scale enrichment program thereafter.

2. The Ballistic Missile Omission
The agreement did not ban or limit Iran’s development, testing, or proliferation of precision ballistic missiles and drones. The accompanying UN Security Council Resolution 2231 only used non-binding language ("called upon" rather than "shall not"wink regarding missile activity."Anywhere, Anytime" 3. Inspection Loopholes: International inspectors did not have immediate, unrestricted access to undeclared military sites. If the IAEA suspected illicit nuclear activity at a non-declared military facility, a dispute mechanism gave Iran up to 24 days to delay, negotiate, or object to the inspection


4.Regional Activity Omission: The text entirely ignored Iran's non-nuclear regional activities. It provided no mechanisms to curb or penalize state financing, weapon transfers, or training for proxy militias and regional militant groups.Permitted Advanced R&grin: While the deal limited the number of active, older IR-1 centrifuges, it permitted Iran to continue limited research and development on advanced, highly efficient centrifuges (like the IR-6 and IR-cool. This allowed Iran to master the technology needed to enrich uranium at exponentially faster rates once the sunset clauses expired.

The "All-or-Nothing" Sanctions Snapback:
The enforcement mechanism for Iranian non-compliance was disproportionate. It only allowed for a total "snapback" of all pre-2016 UN sanctions, offering no intermediate, scaled financial penalties for minor or partial technical violations by Tehran

.The Sanctions Relief Windfall: By unfreezing over $100 billion in overseas assets and lifting oil export bans upfront, the deal provided immediate, front-loaded economic relief. Critics argued this revenue was quickly diverted to defense spending and regional operations rather than domestic civilian infrastructure.

The loopholes Gemini cited above were on purpose and deliberate.
Obama clearly intended Iran to have a nuclear bomb. Anyone saying otherwise is completely wrong. I think he knew that Iranians would use the bomb on Israel.
This is worse than the JCPOA. I think Trump is following JD Vance who follows jidiots like Tucker and other bad actors. It is a mistake. Hegseth and Marco are the ones on the right path.

Iran is a terrorist state, they cannot keep their words, especially after their Ayatollah was killed.

This is a massive Trump failure, as it is. And watch Hezbollah fire at Israel in the coming days.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 12:37pm On Jun 18
benalvino3:
This is worse than the JCPOA. I think Trump is following JD Vance who follows jidiots like Tucker and other bad actors. It is a mistake. Hegseth and Marco are the ones on the right path.

Iran is a terrorist state, they cannot keep their words, especially after their Ayatollah was killed.

This is a massive Trump failure, as it is. And watch Hezbollah fire at Israel in the coming days.
And what should Israel do when Hezbollah fires at them? Just take it and bury their people without responding
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 12:38pm On Jun 18
There is no final agreement yet. It's a framework.
They have 440 kg of 60% HEI which must be destroyed.
Only needed a few more weeks of being spun in centrifuges to get to 90% Weapon grade level. That infrastructure is gone.

The GCC countries will rebuild Iran if they want to.
JPCOA was nejotiated under the Islamic terms of hudna. When weak negotiate until you get strong. Anytime you get strong you are free to break the treaty before the 10 year lapse.


benalvino3:
This is worse than the JCPOA. I think Trump is following JD Vance who follows jidiots like Tucker and other bad actors. It is a mistake. Hegseth and Marco are the ones on the right path.

Iran is a terrorist state, they cannot keep their words, especially after their Ayatollah was killed.

This is a massive Trump failure, as it is. And watch Hezbollah fire at Israel in the coming days.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 12:42pm On Jun 18
raumdeuter:
And what should Israel do when Hezbollah fires at them? Just take it and bury their people without responding
That's the point. Hezbollah is Shia who are enemies with the Hamas Sunni in matters religion and history.
They only unite when facing the Jew or other Muslim enemies.

Iran by wiping out Israel would've been the darling of the Islamic world Sunnis went to war several times and lost to Israel.
Hezbollah rockets will still be fired. They will use any excuse , for instance avenging Nasrallah death or demanding all Palestinians in prisons to be freed. Or a mosque was hit by IDF. Anything.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 12:57pm On Jun 18
basilico:
There is no final agreement yet. It's a framework.
They have 440 kg of 60% HEI which must be destroyed.
Only needed a few more weeks of being spun in centrifuges to get to 90% Weapon grade level. That infrastructure is gone.

The GCC countries will rebuild Iran if they want to.
JPCOA was nejotiated under the Islamic terms of hudna. When weak negotiate until you get strong. Anytime you get strong you are free to break the treaty before the 10 year lapse.
What's in the MOU may end up in the final. There is no point. Keep the Strait closed, keep Iran from getting anything in and out. That's all
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 12:59pm On Jun 18
basilico:
Democrat supporters here don't know anything about JPCOA. The only thing was that it made Obama look good. To the contrary the deal sought to free Iran from any constraint s to develop nuclear bombs and missiles after 10 years.
Today the international community would be helpless had Iran agreed by the JPCOA and kept it's end of the bargain.
What I'm seeing here is gloating about the war having failed to dislodge the regime and casting Trump as a failure. There is no agreement yet. Hear that.
Shortcomings of JPCOA

....identified several core shortcomings, loopholes, and structural omissions in the original 2015 JCPOA framework.📑
Structural Shortcomings and Loopholes

1. Sunset Clauses: The treaty’s restrictions were temporary rather than permanent. The core caps on uranium enrichment levels, centrifuge limits, and heavy-water facility bans were designed to expire completely between 10 and 15 years, leaving Iran free to legally build an industrial-scale enrichment program thereafter.

2. The Ballistic Missile Omission
The agreement did not ban or limit Iran’s development, testing, or proliferation of precision ballistic missiles and drones. The accompanying UN Security Council Resolution 2231 only used non-binding language ("called upon" rather than "shall not"wink regarding missile activity."Anywhere, Anytime" 3. Inspection Loopholes: International inspectors did not have immediate, unrestricted access to undeclared military sites. If the IAEA suspected illicit nuclear activity at a non-declared military facility, a dispute mechanism gave Iran up to 24 days to delay, negotiate, or object to the inspection


4.Regional Activity Omission: The text entirely ignored Iran's non-nuclear regional activities. It provided no mechanisms to curb or penalize state financing, weapon transfers, or training for proxy militias and regional militant groups.Permitted Advanced R&grin: While the deal limited the number of active, older IR-1 centrifuges, it permitted Iran to continue limited research and development on advanced, highly efficient centrifuges (like the IR-6 and IR-cool. This allowed Iran to master the technology needed to enrich uranium at exponentially faster rates once the sunset clauses expired.

The "All-or-Nothing" Sanctions Snapback:
The enforcement mechanism for Iranian non-compliance was disproportionate. It only allowed for a total "snapback" of all pre-2016 UN sanctions, offering no intermediate, scaled financial penalties for minor or partial technical violations by Tehran

.The Sanctions Relief Windfall: By unfreezing over $100 billion in overseas assets and lifting oil export bans upfront, the deal provided immediate, front-loaded economic relief. Critics argued this revenue was quickly diverted to defense spending and regional operations rather than domestic civilian infrastructure.

The loopholes Gemini cited above were on purpose and deliberate.
Obama clearly intended Iran to have a nuclear bomb. Anyone saying otherwise is completely wrong. I think he knew that Iranians would use the bomb on Israel.

Lordreed
Cococandy.
Snowball has contrived to destroy the Windmill - Comrade Napoleon.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 12:59pm On Jun 18
raumdeuter:
And what should Israel do when Hezbollah fires at them? Just take it and bury their people without responding
That's what I am saying. The world respect terrorists and mad people. Israel should start with Gaza.

One nuke and that problem is gone. Any country that does not like it should try and nuke Israel too.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 1:00pm On Jun 18
benalvino3:
What's in the MOU may end up in the final. There is no point. Keep the Strait closed, keep Iran from getting anything in and out. That's all
How dare you disagree with Trump-Christ?
Will you shattap and get on your knees upside down at once?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 1:01pm On Jun 18
benalvino3:
That's what I am saying. The world respect terrorists and mad people. Israel should start with Gaza.

One nuke and that problem is gone. Any country that does not like it should try and nuke Israel too.
Israel cannot nuke Gaza. If you think so, you need to see a doctor urgently.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 1:03pm On Jun 18
raumdeuter:
Is there any place for common sense in your world where Hezbollah does not attack Israel or is that a reality they have to live with?
Maybe ask Trump.
Those are his words.

Your cognitive dissonance is in full effect right now.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 1:04pm On Jun 18
benalvino3:
That's what I am saying. The world respect terrorists and mad people. Israel should start with Gaza.

One nuke and that problem is gone. Any country that does not like it should try and nuke Israel too.
Words of an internet warrior.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 1:06pm On Jun 18
IjeBos:
Words of an internet warrior.
This one is not just a question of being merely an internet warrior. Anyone who thinks Israel can nuke Gaza needs to see a psychiatrist.
And anyone who suggests that it should be done needs to be quarantined.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 1:11pm On Jun 18
IjeBos:
Words of an internet warrior.
They have it, at one point the world will face it.
Any country that has issues with it should act.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 1:12pm On Jun 18
DeepSight:
Israel cannot nuke Gaza. If you think so, you need to see a doctor urgently.
They can, any country that has issues with it should act. They can nuke Gaza, Lebanon, and Iran. At some point, I'd support it.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 1:14pm On Jun 18
IjeBos:
Maybe ask Trump.
Those are his words.

Your cognitive dissonance is in full effect right now.
I am shocked you now take talking points from Trump

What should Israel do when Hezbollah launches rocket at it ijebos
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 1:24pm On Jun 18
benalvino3:
They can, any country that has issues with it should act. They can nuke Gaza, Lebanon, and Iran. At some point, I'd support it.
I can create a committee of friends to contribute for the bills of a shrink bro.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 1:27pm On Jun 18
raumdeuter:
I am shocked you now take talking points from Trump

What should Israel do when Hezbollah launches rocket at it ijebos
It's not a talking point, it's the deal Trump made.

Listen, the man you voted for and constantly stan for made the deal.
You should go ask him what Israel should do.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 1:27pm On Jun 18
DeepSight:
This one is not just a question of being merely an internet warrior. Anyone who thinks Israel can nuke Gaza needs to see a psychiatrist.
And anyone who suggests that it should be done needs to be quarantined.
He's been lost it.
Goulish people wishing for a country to nuke another.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 1:28pm On Jun 18
A comparison of the Obama and Trump deal.
How do you cancel a deal to make a worse deal?
Art of the Deal indeed.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 1:37pm On Jun 18
Ukraine hit a Moscow oil refinery.
Ukraine drone tech has come a long way.
Drones may level the playing field between bigger countries and smaller ones. Well until they get anti drone tech.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 1:40pm On Jun 18
IjeBos:
It's not a talking point, it's the deal Trump made.

Listen, the man you voted for and constantly stan for made the deal.
You should go ask him what Israel should do.
So Trump decides what you think now?

What will ijebos do when Hezbollah launches a new attack on israel
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 1:50pm On Jun 18
DeepSight:
I can create a committee of friends to contribute to the bills of a shrink bro.
Create whatever committee you want, call your Amazulu friends but when the time comes, Israel will use their nukes. I support it at this point.

If the world wants to normalize people trying to wipe them out, then they should also deal with their nukes.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 1:51pm On Jun 18
IjeBos:
Ukraine hit a Moscow oil refinery.
Ukraine drone tech has come a long way.
Drones may level the playing field between bigger countries and smaller ones. Well until they get anti drone tech.

All of a sudden you care about this war. Russian stooge 🤣
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 1:51pm On Jun 18
benalvino3:
Create whatever committee you want, call your Amazulu friends but when the time comes, Israel will use their nukes. I support it at this point.

If the world wants to normalize people trying to wipe them out, then they should also deal with their nukes.
So na so Iranian victory pain you reach. That you are now calling for nuclear war


Chai.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 2:43pm On Jun 18
LordReed:
Where are those people that were saying the IAEA's monitoring was ineffective. Is it not the same IAEA that Trump wants to use? You people are big time mugus.
😂😂😅😅😅😅
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 2:51pm On Jun 18
benalvino3:
Israel should wipe them out actually.

And this is me being kind.

Anyone who does not like it should try to wipe Israel out like hamas and hezbollah are trying to do.
You guys have been strung along and thrown under the bus by your god.. Trump now cares about the lives of humans more than the heartless dragons he has created.

Just say you made a mistake and we will forgive you..😎😎🤓🤓..

I will always be here to give you a knock on the head and also welcome you back to humanity and normalcy..
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 2:55pm On Jun 18
bayelsaowei:
You guys have been strung along and thrown under the bus by your god.. Trump now cares about the lives of humans more than the heartless dragons he has created.

Just say you made a mistake and we will forgive you..😎😎🤓🤓..

I will always be here to give you a knock on the head and also welcome you back to humanity and normalcy..
Can ghouls ever be normal or human again?
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