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MaxInDHouse:
Point is God gave the world's richest man only one wife so there is no reason why those who are less richer should think of taking more than one!🙂

What did use to measure the richest man wealth you are taking about óò🤔🤔
When God created did He created two men simultaneously
Rather he created a man so a woman.

As the time grew much woman are dominating and a man can marry more than a woman ás at it legal not illegal way.
If a man take a woman ás women plenty so the others should marry Jesus abi
Even the bible also testify that women will clip onto a man too at later end of s time

MaxInDHouse:

Jesus kept the Mosaic laws because it's only Israelites who kept God's laws that supposed to be his corulers. Revelation 7:5-8 compare to Genesis 12:3

that what we are also telling you people that Jesus was sent to Jew not the gentiles.....


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quote]But since the Israelites themselves abandoned the covenant that made them God's special possession {Exodus 19:5} the invitation to rule with the Christ was blown open to people from other nations

{John 1:11-12 compare to Matthew 22:2-14} so that former covenant is no longer binding on those who will rule with the Christ whether they are Jewish background or not! Jeremiah 31:31-33

So as the promised Christ Jesus fulfilled all what the law covenant required for Israelites to know that God played His own part of the covenant but it was the Israelites themselves that failed to play their own part of the covenant! Matthew 23:37-38

Even if the Israelite abandon it which not all isrealite did that ... Jesus and his disciples didn't abandon as them know it's God law
Now you are telling after Jesus died they abandon God law and created their law and followed their own desired that what you tried to tell me...
So God law was abandon to formed the one they like baa
Today

that

old covenant is no longer binding on whoever becomes a disciple of Christ since God has chosen another nation {Matthew 21:43} and established another covenant with them {Jeremiah 31:31-33} that new nation began with the Born Again Christians and most of them are not from Israel therefore it makes no practical sense for them to continue with a covenant that has been broken!

Was it not from the tribes of jew they started the evangelism...
Jesus didn't abandon the God law but the followers abandon it right is ok [/quote]

TenQ:
Let me teach what you didn't know
Before the creation of Adam or man
Allah says in Quran
*Surah Al-Baqarah 2:30*:
_“And when your Lord said to the angels, ‘Indeed, I will make upon the earth a vicegerent/khalifah(successor, MAN or Head of the man Arole), .’ [b]They said, ‘Will You place upon it one who causes corruption and sheds blood, while we exalt You with praise and declare Your perfection?’ He said, ‘Indeed, I know that which you do not know.’”_ – did you see what the angel said they know that man will be corrupted on earth already before there creation COMPARED TO WHAT YOU SAID THAT GOD DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN FOR THEM WHEN THEY SIN AND THAT THE ADAM SIN IS WHAT BROUGHT US TO EARTH.. so we where bound to come on earth we belong to earth and we were created from the earth


Allah announced to angel that he will created
There’s a similar conversation in Surah Sad 38:71-72 about creating Adam from clay and breathing His spirit into him.

So the Qur’an presents humans as Allah’s vicegerents on earth – given responsibility, choice, and trust.[/b]

Allah pardoned them and still chased them out of paradise a place of enjoyment to the earth a place of pain and death!?

Yes, the Qur’an records that moment. After Adam and Eve ate from the tree, they immediately turned to Allah for forgiveness.

*Surah Al-A’raf 7:22-23:*

*22* _ ‘[b]Did I not forbid you from that tree and tell you that Satan is to you a clear enemy ?’”_
And they begged here
*23* _“They said, ‘Our Lord, we have wronged ourselves, and if You do not forgive us and have mercy upon us, we will surely be among the losers.’”_ – Qur’an 7:23

*Allah’s response*: Right after in 7:24-25, Allah accepts their repentance, but still decrees they’ll live on earth as a test. So in Islam, Adam didn’t carry a “fallen” state to all children. Each person is born pure.

Allah even calls Adam “chosen” after this in Qur’an 20:122: _“Then his Lord chose him and turned to him in forgiveness and guided him.[/b]”_



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“But Satan caused them to slip out of it and removed them from that [condition] in which they had been. And We said, ‘Go down, [all of you], as enemies to one another, and you will have upon the earth a place of settlement and provision for a time.’”

Allah even caused enmities between them: things that do not happen in paradise! SMH!

stop display ignorant man
Allah didn't caused enmity, Satan was only arrogant that why he became what it's today and later deceived Adam and eve because it's already written for them they will live on Earth but an incident will be a cause.

All Adams children/descendants as a consequence are trapped on this earth as ENEMIES because of this! Make it make sense!

We are destined to live on Earth as I stated the verse at the top hence we are here our right places
We are to be on earth and we are here
I hope I cleared or your doubt

Adam sinned he begged and God forgive him..
If I sinned I will beg and he will forgive me..

Nobody responsible for others sins

Expanse2020:
What did use to measure the richest man wealth you are taking about óò🤔🤔
When God created did He created two men simultaneously
Rather he created a man so a woman.

As the time grew much woman are dominating and a man can marry more than a woman ás at it legal not illegal way.
If a man take a woman ás women plenty so the others should marry Jesus abi
Even the bible also testify that women will clip onto a man too at later end of s time

In Paradise God promised that life will return to how it was before Adam sinned, there won't be suffering or pain but where there is envy such is inevitable. No woman will be happy to share her man with another even your Muslim women hates it.

The Israelites as a nation never wanted God's laws it's only God's prophets that has been consistent with it so Jesus also did just as all other Israelite prophets. God has promised that He will change that covenant since the time of Jeremiah {Jeremiah 31:31-33} but it will remain valid until God has fulfilled His own part of the covenant which is when the Messiah arrives and the nation failed to accept his teaching! Deuteronomy 18:18-19

So all the prophets until John the baptist stick to the old covenant that is why Jesus round it up with his sacrificial death and usher in a new covenant.

Do you notice that after his resurrection Jesus never went into that temple again?

He stopped practicing Judaism after his resurrection!🙂

Expanse2020:
Even if the Israelite abandon it which not all isrealite did that ... Jesus and his disciples didn't abandon as them know it's God law
Now you are telling after Jesus died they abandon God law and created their law and followed their own desired that what you tried to tell me...
So God law was abandon to formed the one they like baa
Today that
Was it not from the tribes of jew they started the evangelism...
Jesus didn't abandon the God law but the followers abandon it right is ok

Expanse2020:
We are destined to live on Earth as I stated the verse at the top hence we are here our right places
We are to be on earth and we are here
I hope I cleared or your doubt

Adam sinned he begged and God forgive him..
If I sinned I will beg and he will forgive me..

Nobody responsible for others sins

All you did was point out several errors by Allah in your Qur'an.

Let me show you
1. In Qur'an 2:30:
“And when your Lord said to the angels, ‘Indeed, I will make upon the earth a vicegerent/khalifah(successor,..


Who did Adam succeed?
For a person to be a khalifa, there must be a caliphate before him.

2. Qur'an 2:30:
....,They said, 'Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?' Allah said, 'Indeed, I know that which you do not know.'"

It seems the Angels were more knowledgeable than Allah as they were correct that Allahs creation will shed blood and cause corruption on the earth!

Were the Angels WRONG?

What else about this did Allah know that the Angels dont?

3. Then Allah gave the Angels a very silly exam that has no correlation with their concerns about Adam.

Quran 2:31
"And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, saying: 'Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful.'"

He did not teach the Angels the names of Animals but he expects them to know the answer!?

Is this a sensible question for measuring students cognition?

4. At least you admit that satan was the enemy of Adam and Eve who caused them to be driven out of paradise to the place of pain , bloodshed and corruption BECAUSE the violated Allahs command of not eating of the tree.
LOL!!
You even admitted that the earth is a place of enemity
Allah even caused enmities between them: things that do not happen in paradise! SMH!

It shows how messed up Islam is. Islam doesn't comprehend the spiritual truths of events.


5. Of course Allah destined that Iblis will tempt man and succeed as Iblis is the best Muslim who wouldn't commit shirk by bowing down to Adam.

It seems that Allah is indeed the first deceiver that decieved Iblis.

Qur'an 15:39
"[Iblis] said: 'O my Lord! Because You misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all.'"


Is it UNTRUE that the reason Iblis is the enemy of Man is because Allah decieved him?


Qur'an 3:54
"And they schemed, and Allah schemed, and Allah is the best of deceivers"


See how warped SLM is!
Sorry!!

MaxInDHouse:
In Paradise God promised that life will return to how it was before Adam sinned, there won't be suffering or pain but where there is envy such is inevitable. No woman will be happy to share her man with another even your Muslim women hates it.

Ehen
Muslims women hate it ..
And some pastors have two wives
Others have several concubines
And they hate it

Expanse2020:
We are destined to live on Earth as I stated the verse at the top hence we are here our right places
We are to be on earth and we are here
I hope I cleared or your doubt

Adam sinned he begged and God forgive him..
If I sinned I will beg and he will forgive me..

Nobody responsible for others sins

All you did was to avoid my questions and restate your position.

1. Who did Adam succeed if he is a khalifa?

2. Were the Angels WRONG about their claim (Yes or No)?

3. What else about this did Allah know that the Angels dont?

4. Allah did not teach the Angels the names of Animals but he expects them to know the answer!?

Is this a sensible question for measuring students cognition?

5. Is it UNTRUE that the reason Iblis is the enemy of Man is because Allah decieved him?

6. Is Iblis not the best Muslim the wouldn't commit shirk?

Expanse2020:
Ehen
Muslims women hate it ..
And some pastors have two wives
Others have several concubines
And they hate it.

Have you found any woman who will like to share her husband with another woman?
Not when everything is fine with them.
So in Paradise everything will be fine its the focus of faithful servants of God!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Have you found any woman who will like to share her husband with another woman?
Not when everything is fine with them.
So in Paradise everything will be fine its the focus of faithful servants of God!🙂

Ehen...
So you have never see two or three women and they leave happy with a man..
They share the same man and they are fine with it ..
Several marriage of men married two women on the same day have been posted on this platform

TenQ:

All you did was to avoid my questions and restate your position

I said I will make you cry on the app se.
You will cry tired ... I will exposed your ignorant

1

. Who did Adam succeed if he is a khalifa

?

*Vicegerent* = *Khalifah خليفة* in Arabic.

It literally means “successor, deputy, steward, trustee.”

So when Allah told the angels _“I will make upon the earth a khalifah”_ 2:30, He wasn’t saying humans would replace Him. He meant:
[b]
*1. Steward/Trustee*
Humans are Allah’s trustees on earth. The earth, animals, resources – all belong to Allah. We’re put in charge to manage it with justice, not destroy it. Qur’an 6:165: _“He made you successors upon the earth and raised some of you above others in degrees to test you through what He has given you.”_

*2. Authority with responsibility*
A vicegerent acts according to the King’s rules. So human freedom isn’t “do whatever you want.” It’s “use your choice to establish justice, worship Allah, care for creation.”

*3. Not just Adam*
“Khalifah” applies to all humans, not only Adam. Each generation succeeds the one before it on earth.

*Difference from “king” or “owner”*:
An owner can do whatever he wants with his property. A vicegerent can only do what the Owner permits. We’ll be asked: _“What did you do with the trust?”_

That’s why the angels asked about corruption + bloodshed – they saw the risk of free will. But Allah knew humans also had the potential to choose good, repent, build, and reach a rank higher than angels through obedience + love.

So “vicegerent” is both an honor and a responsibility [/b]. .



2.

Were the Angels WRONG about their claim (Yes or No)?

What did you think
As a man what are you doing spreading corruption, falseness like you are doing, denouncing your maker
And what did Allah told them you don't what I know ..
Because when you did bad and asked for forgiveness Allah hear and forgive in most cases

3.

What else about this did Allah know that the Angels dont?

Mumu many many
Angel didn't know when Allah started the creation of Alot of things before them, the starting of the whole creation before the angel where created, the hours, the judgement day, the day everything including them will die, till we all resurrected back...
BOBO YII JE KI LAKAYE RE SHI NAW 🤣🤣

4.

Allah did not teach the Angels the names of Animals but he expects them to know the answer!?

proof it out that they were not teach
Provide the proof 🤣🤣🤣
Solo go nii

Is this a sensible question for measuring students cognition?

says by the person who believe someone sin and another person inherited the sins and another person person redeem it
Chaii where is the brain, where is the sense in that 🤣🤣🤣🤣
between your Jesus or god and Satan who lied to Adam in the garden

[s]5. Is it UNTRUE that the reason Iblis is the enemy of Man is because Allah decieved him[/s]?
between your Jesus or god and Satan who lied to Adam in the garden

6.

Is Iblis not the best Muslim the wouldn't commit shirk

?

Who deceived Adam between Jesus and Satan
If you have the ball answer it

Try to be wise nah!😟

If you and someone else found a huge some of cash surely you have no option than to share it together but can you equally share what you worked alone for with someone else?🙂

Expanse2020:
Ehen...
So you have never see two or three women and they leave happy with a man..
They share the same man and they are fine with it ..
Several marriage of men married two women on the same day have been posted on this platform

MaxInDHouse:
Try to be wise nah!😟

If you and someone else found a huge some of cash surely you have no option than to share it together but can you equally share what you worked alone for with someone else?🙂

What did you work alone for 🤔🤔🤣🤣🤣
If a cash you only work for it and spend it with those who didn't work and sweat with you ..so what are you saying...
What should the mother of the person do if you mean the woman work for it🤔🤣🤣🤣
You are a joker ..which woman work for you
Or you spend your earn, sweat,nwealth on them.
Abeg close this chapter
Na unreasonable conversation you de bring

Why not answer the question nah?🙂

Did Muhammad spend the money he earn, sweat and his wealth on Khadijat?🤔

Expanse2020:
What did you work alone for 🤔🤔🤣🤣🤣
If a cash you only work for it and spend it with those who didn't work and sweat with you ..so what are you saying...
What should the mother of the person do if you mean the woman work for it🤔🤣🤣🤣
You are a joker ..which woman work for you
Or you spend your earn, sweat,nwealth on them.
Abeg close this chapter
Na unreasonable conversation you de bring

MaxInDHouse:
Why not answer the question nah?🙂

Did Muhammad spend the money he earn, sweat and his wealth on Khadijat?🤔

No he spent on your generation

Expanse2020:
No he spent on your generation

Wow!
Typical of Muslims!🤣
So learn now because many women do raise their own husbands from grass to grace and do you think that is enough reason for such a woman to go into polyandry?
If Muhammad was raised by Khadijat who has all the money to marry twenty men believe she's OK with one man what gives a man the impetus to marry more than one simply because he has money?😂

MaxInDHouse:
Wow!
Typical of Muslims!🤣
So learn now because many women do raise their own husbands from grass to grace and do you think that is enough reason for such a woman to go into polyandry?
If Muhammad was raised by Khadijat who has all the money to marry twenty men believe she's OK with one man what gives a man the impetus to marry more than one simply because he has money?😂

Typical Christianity (awọn kardashian 🤣🤣🤣)

So sorry I forgot in Christianity a woman move from a man into men...

So I can understand where your reason is coming from

But not in Islam
A woman is for a man
And a more is for UpTo 4women
So don't mixed with your religion

Perhaps you've forgotten the topic of this thread:

Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament?

I don't know what your Religion has to do with New Testament o. 😂

So stick to your own religion because in Christianity all the nations of the earth are put into consideration {Matthew 28:19-20} so that if any individual wants to worship our God we will tell him God's standard in the beginning which is One Adam and One Eve before men started taking more than one wife and women started taking more than one husband! 😂

Expanse2020:
But not in Islam
So don't mixed with your religion

Shame is the end of all false religions:

“Look! My servants will eat, but you will go hungry. Look! My servants will drink, but you will go thirsty. Look! My servants will rejoice, but you will suffer shame. Look! My servants will shout joyfully because of the good condition of the heart, But you will cry out because of the pain of heart And you will wail because of a broken spirit." Isaiah 65:13-14

False prophets don't know God's word so they can't teach what will bring peace to the minds of their followers but confusion {Matthew 7:15-20} how can a false prophet understand that God created the first human couple to live as one man one wife when confusion has led many into taking more than one wife or husband?🙂

TenQ:
I hear you!

Brother, at least can you now say that your thoughts on this issue is wrong? At least, even if you don't want to accept my own theory on it, you should at go back and research it, for there is no way God can ever support or justify an evil act. Polygamy means a spouse has/is commiting adultery. There is no one in the world who can remove adultery from polygamy

Dtruthspeaker:
Brother, at least can you now say that your thoughts on this issue is wrong? At least, even if you don't want to accept my own theory on it, you should at go back and research it, for there is no way God can ever support or justify an evil act. Polygamy means a spouse has/is commuting adultery. There is no one in the world who can remove adultery from polygamy

1. You were NOT listening to me at all
2. You had a preconceived notion of what you think I am saying and you went at tangent.
3. If you had answered some of my questions that you deliberately ignored, it would have been a level field of discussion: unfortunately, you chose not to.

Since this wouldn't take either you or me out of Christ, its okay.

You assume I justified Polygamy but you were very wrong.

1Cor 10:23:
"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."

A sin is a SIN whether in the OT or in the NT and God hates SIN! God doesn't condone any moral SIN irrespective of what it is.

Jesus brought us back to the IDEAL design of God in Marriage
1. He made them Man and Woman
2. God hate Divorce.
3. Moses allowed some deviation because of the hardness of the heart of people but from the beginning it was not so.

Even though Moses allowed Divorce, God hates it BUT I do not think that it is a direct Moral SIN and God has not changed His stance on Divorce till tomorrow.

Mal 2:16:
"The LORD, the God of Israel, says, “I hate divorce— and the covering of violence with one’s garment,” says the LORD of hosts. “Therefore guard your spirit, and do not act treacherously.”"

TenQ:
1. You were NOT listening to me at all
2. You had a preconceived notion of what you think I am saying and you went at tangent.
3. If you had answered some of my questions that you deliberately ignored, it would have been a level field of discussion: unfortunately, you chose not to.

Since this wouldn't take either you or me out of Christ, its okay.

You assume I justified Polygamy but you were very wrong.

1Cor 10:23:
"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."

A sin is a SIN whether in the OT or in the NT and God hates SIN! God doesn't condone any moral SIN irrespective of what it is.

Jesus brought us back to the IDEAL design of God in Marriage
1. He made them Man and Woman
2. God hate Divorce.
3. Moses allowed some deviation because of the hardness of the heart of people but from the beginning it was not so.

Even though Moses allowed Divorce, God hates it BUT I do not think that it is a direct Moral SIN and God has not changed His stance on Divorce till tomorrow.

Mal 2:16:
"The LORD, the God of Israel, says, “I hate divorce— and the covering of violence with one’s garment,” says the LORD of hosts. “Therefore guard your spirit, and do not act treacherously.”"

I could not attend to your questions because i already had objections to the the first part of your statement which shows that you believe polygamy is right, even though you are trying to use the N.T to kind of still say that is not allowed, which I have heard people say. But this is double speaking, plus the Truth is that we all get that you people do not really believe that polygamy is completely wrong and that is the beginning of my grouse with this issue.
So, basically you are saying polygamy is allowed and not allowed and that is not right.

Yes, it might appear that getting to the Truth of this issue might not take one out of Christ but however, getting it will definitely help us to understand God and Christ more and definitely increase our confidence when we are representing Him. And even more importantly, you may see like i do that it is another BIG LIE! And if you Truly love God, there is no way that if you see this Lie told that you won't rise up and wholly condemn it, the way you do against Muslims.

So, to address your Bible quotes up first you do real eyes that Paul said "to me" and not that he was saying that is The Law and two, via Moses, you are moving the post to divorce whereas the issue whether polygamy is right in the Eye of God.

So, i urge you to take out time to uncover the Truth as you did to Muslims so that when you are representing God on this issue, you can be sure that you are right beyond all reasonable doubt as you are against Muslims

Dtruthspeaker:
I could not attend to your questions because i already had objections to the the first part of your statement which shows that you believe polygamy is right, even though you are trying to use the N.T to kind of still say that is not allowed, which I have heard people say. But this is double speaking, plus the Truth is that we all get that you people do not really believe that polygamy is completely wrong and that is the beginning of my grouse with this issue.
So, basically you are saying polygamy is allowed and not allowed and that is not right.

Yes, it might appear that getting to the Truth of this issue might not take one out of Christ but however, getting it will definitely help us to understand God and Christ more and definitely increase our confidence when we are representing Him. And even more importantly, you may see like i do that it is another BIG LIE! And if you Truly love God, there is no way that if you see this Lie told that you won't rise up and wholly condemn it, the way you do against Muslims.

So, to address your Bible quotes up first you do real eyes that Paul said "to me" and not that he was saying that is The Law and two, via Moses, you are moving the post to divorce whereas the issue whether polygamy is right in the Eye of God.

So, i urge you to take out time to uncover the Truth as you did to Muslims so that when you are representing God on this issue, you can be sure that you are right beyond all reasonable doubt as you are against Muslims

Evidence that you were NOT listening at all.

Show me anywhere where I made or insinuated the claim highlighted in YELLOW?

If your premise is wrong, everything built upon it cannot stand!

TenQ:
...
However, it may not be a SIN if a man has more than one wife based on the reason that a moral SIN in the NEW Testament remains a SIN in the OLD Testament...!

Is this not your statement insinuating so?

Dtruthspeaker:
Is this not your statement insinuating so?

Yes and I stand by it just like DIVORCE is NOT a Sin BUT God says "I hate Divorce" Malachi 2:16

If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that
1. David died in sin
2. Israel (Jacob) died in sin
3. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine)
It is a YES or NO answer!

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

I am waiting!
The letters kill!