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| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by TenQ: 7:46am On Jun 22 |
Dtruthspeaker:The only reason you cannot answer my questions is because it fails even your theology. I dont understand how it doesn't dawn on you that you are the evasive one in this thread. Otherwise, you would have not evaded my questions. If your doctrine is right, it shouldn't be difficult to answer my question! If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that 1. David died in sin 2. Israel (Jacob) died in sin 3. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine) It is a YES or NO answer! |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:55am On Jun 22 |
TenQ:This is the 3rd time that I am saying that I would not answer your question if you do not FIRST admit that you are wrong So, you cannot say that I cannot answer the question when you yourself have not done your part of admitting that you are wrong. Can you not just say these 3 simple words of Truth? You know it is sinners. who do not believe in admission of wrong, So, if truly you are Christian you have to make this admission m. So, do you admit that you are wrong? |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by TenQ: 8:13am On Jun 22*. Modified: 8:29am On Jun 22 |
Dtruthspeaker:This would be nothing other than fraud to admit what I honestly and truly believe in WRONG in order that you may answer my Questions which actually ultimately proves you wrong! I put it to you that you chose to be evasive because your Theology fails the test of scrutiny. Dtruthspeaker:Sorry Sir. I admit that I know in part and my understanding may not be perfect BUT until by the weight of Scriptural Evidence and it Application, I do not change my Truth because my GO says I should. I ALWAYS stand by the TRUTH as I intellectually understand it. If you do not have the intellectual resource to show me scriptural evidence, then you stand on NOTHING but your EMOTIONAL rollercoaster. You have chosen to be EVASIVE by not answering my question simply because your doctrine CANNOT stand scrutiny! Let me add another question: A. If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that 1. David died in sin 2. Israel (Jacob) died in sin 3. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine) It is a YES or NO answer! B. Let me give you a challenge: 1. Find me just ONE Sin in the New Testament that is NOT a sin in the Old Testament! 2. Find me just ONE Moral Sin in the Old Testament that is NOT a sin in the New Testament! C. Help me solve this practical problem Alhaji Anti-christian with ALL his four wives got born again. He had married five times but divorced his first wife before marrying his last wife to maintain four wives. Each of his five wives have three children each. They all come to your church and you are the pastor. What is your Christ based advice 1. To Alhaji Anti-christian 2. To each of the current four wives 3. To the first wife. The only reason you won't answer the Questions is because, your Theology breaks down under scrutiny. 2Cor 3:6: "Who also made us competent as ministers of the New Covenant; not of the letter, but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:39am On Jun 22 |
TenQ:The thread shows that your belief in the doctrine that polygamy is not wrong is/was being tested and you could not found it as you started dodging and trying to nove post to divorce whereas, it is about polygamy. And when you could no longer dodge, you decide to resort to the fallacy of reversing the burden of proof rather than admit that you are wrong or that your doctrine is unfounded. So, the fraud and the sin is that you claim to be a Christian but here you are strongly refusing to confess the Truth before your face and admit that you are wrong.. Saying the part in bold just grounds your fraud for 3 times i have said that i would answer your questions but because you are committing the fallacy of reversal of the burden of proof is why I have not answered it. So, do the right thing and be the Christian you claim to be |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by TenQ: 8:54am On Jun 22 |
Are you TERRIFIED of the TRUTH!? Cropping off the parts of my post seems to show that you seem to be afraid of something BTW Nowhere did I justify Polygamy nor stated that it is not wrong: otherwise, why would Jesus bring us back to the Ideal! But you chose to hear what you want to hear. Dtruthspeaker:I gave you questions because you are not LISTENING to anything other than what you want to hear. Answering questions force you to first listen to yourself then you can be able to listen to others. Why is it difficult for you to answer simple questions? I think its because you dont have an answer. Just 3 very simple doctrinal applications Questions! |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:59am On Jun 22 |
TenQ:In other words, even though you see yor doctrine is unfounded, you choose to believe it? How are you different from the Muslims you attack? Did you not read "Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked? Exodus 23:7 If God will never justify the wicked, then how can you say then that a person who cheated on his wife (adultery) and even goes as far as marrying his co-adulterer, is sinless? (Even your law courts recognise this sin and called it the crime of bigamy() So, if sinners themselves have identified that it is a sin, how do you now imagine that God Who is Holy, would Say that it is not a sin? |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by TenQ: 9:06am On Jun 22 |
Dtruthspeaker:All you are doing is restating your position. All I have done after stating my position is to ASK you Questions. Why are you terrified of answering them if your doctrine is correct. 1Pet 3:15: "But sanctify the Lord God in your own hearts, and always be prepared to give an answer to anyone who asks you the reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and reverence;" AGAIN! You have chosen to be EVASIVE by not answering my question simply because your doctrine CANNOT stand scrutiny! THE QUESTIONS! A. If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that 1. David died in sin 2. Israel (Jacob) died in sin 3. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine) It is a YES or NO answer! B. Let me give you a challenge: 1. Find me just ONE Sin in the New Testament that is NOT a sin in the Old Testament! 2. Find me just ONE Moral Sin in the Old Testament that is NOT a sin in the New Testament! C. Help me solve this practical problem Alhaji Anti-christian with ALL his four wives got born again. He had married five times but divorced his first wife before marrying his last wife to maintain four wives. Each of his five wives have three children each. They all come to your church and you are the pastor. What is your Christ based advice 1. To Alhaji Anti-christian 2. To each of the current four wives 3. To the first wife. The only reason you won't answer the Questions is because, your Theology breaks down under scrutiny. 2Cor 3:6: "Who also made us competent as ministers of the New Covenant; not of the letter, but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:12am On Jun 22 |
TenQ:I answer point to point aka area of concentration. So that nobody can deny or lie against their words and the point they made vs the response I gave to those points, especially when those points are non issues. So cutting out the part makes it accurate and easier to settle them away from the main issue of argument as those points raised are usually distractions meant to divert attention from the main subject of argument TenQ:The thread shows that i already told you that I will not address those questions because other issues must FIRST be settled before them. So., you are putting the cart before the horse So, by now you can see that i am addressing the horse before your cart of questions, so all these are distractive non issues. Let's go back to the main issue |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by TenQ: 9:21am On Jun 22 |
Dtruthspeaker:The logically of your position doesn't even bother you. In a debate: You want your opponent to admit concession (through blackmail) even before you justify your position. Does this stance make sense to you? You won't answer my questions because it betrays your lack of cognition of Doctrinal Truths. You even justify cropping off issues that worry you in other to state your points and you think it is normal. Cutting off aspects you do not like in a discussion is deception and avoidance of context of discussion! |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:29am On Jun 22 |
TenQ:Yes, i am restating my position and it is a question, and thought you could have given me a reason valid answer that would have cleared out the question. So are you saying that you cannot give a Truthful answer to that simple question which is the foundation of polygamy because of your bias? As a Christian you are bound to give Truthful answers to questions given to you. So, please answer this foundational question and declare the Truth and shame the Liars who made this false doctrine. By Exodus 23:7, If God will never justify the wicked, then how can you say then that a person who cheated on his wife (adultery) and even goes as far as marrying his co-adulterer, is sinless? |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by TenQ: 9:34am On Jun 22 |
Your Position: It is a SIN of Adultery for a man to have more than one Wife. My Position: It is NOT a sin if a man have more than one wife, However Polygamy is NOT God's ideal plan for Marriage as stated by Jesus. Your take: TenQ should first admit that Polygamy is a SIN first, then you can answer his basic Questions. Is this LOGICAL? Dtruthspeaker:I don't seem to get your question! Kindly restate it. I will answer your question and then you answer mine. Is this fair. TenQ doesn't avoid questions even by the staunchest Atheist or Muslim. |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:35am On Jun 22 |
TenQ:See why i cut off irrelevant points? This response thread is coming out of the side issue you raised of me "cropping out" your response. And that is all i responded to. The post regarding the debate has already been addressed so this angle of conversation is just a distraction and it should be closed. There is no issue here |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:42am On Jun 22 |
TenQ:Does the thread not show that you went First and tried proving your case that "polygamy is not a sin' which ended in it showing that it is unfounded and you pleading that your understanding of it "may not be perfect"? Or are you asking for a second chance to reargue it? |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:50am On Jun 22 |
TenQ:My question is, from Exodus 23:7, we can see that God will never uphold wickedness. And adultery is wickedness to a spouse. So, how can a person who does not just cheat on his wife (adultery) but even now goes as far as marrying his co-adulterer, be sinless? Is such a person sinless?i[/b] |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by TenQ: 10:15am On Jun 22 |
I will appreciate that you don't cut off my text again. Dtruthspeaker:Exod 23:7: "Keep far from a false matter, and do not kill the innocent and righteous; for I will not justify the wicked." From the scriptures below, we can show clearly that Adultery is wickedness Mark 7:21–23, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10 and Galatians 5:19-21 BUT, through your biased INTERPOLATIONS Suddenly, you moved from CHEATING on one's spouse (which is clearly ADULTERY) and connecting it with POLYGAMY! How!? Did Abraham cheat on Sarah? You wouldn't answer this question! And you refused to answer my first relevant question A. If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that 1. David died in sin 2. Israel (Jacob) died in sin 3. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine) It is a YES or NO answer! Your question assume that Polygamy is a Sin of Adultery making your questions presumptuous. Is such a person sinless? The Answer It depends. If he married a new wife without the knowledge or consent of his Wife, it is ADULTERY However, Of he married the new wife with the consent and knowledge of his Wife, it is NOT Adultery. Again: Did Abraham cheat on Sarah? You wouldn't answer this question! So, again, Kindly show me where Polygamy is classed as Adultery anywhere in the Bible? |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:06pm On Jun 23 |
TenQ:Please, forgive me, i cannot obey it for i have explained that it is of necessity that that area of dispute is always made INDISPUTABLY CLEAR For Truth to shine Bright and for irrelevant arguments to be kept away from it so as not to cause distractions and mixing of unnecessary arguments with the main issue of dispute. And if you are a Christian you would always want Truth to be made clear for Truth loves light but lies and confusion love darkness.. So as a Christian you don't want confusion in this search/verification of Truth. So please support me. So. This has to be cut off as it is not the area of dispute. |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:24pm On Jun 23 |
TenQ:So, lets clear this up, you admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating? As in do you say that this guy below is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer? Trustedapparel: I am a married man [/b]with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much ....[b]since I Bleep that lady I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... honestly I want to make her my second wife ... https://www.nairaland.com/7265997/marrying-second-wife-good-bad#115412907 |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by TenQ: 4:47pm On Jun 23 |
Dtruthspeaker:I am sorry then. I cannot go on discussing out of context where you 1. Choose only what you want 2. Avoid whatever will betray your position 3. Deliberately choose not to respond to questions because answering them make your position indefensible. I am sorry, I do not deal in emotionalism with respect to the scriptures: if you cannot defend your position, be humble to learn! Have a nice day. 2Cor 3:6: "Who also has made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life." |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:30pm On Jun 23*. Modified: 8:47pm On Jun 23 |
TenQ:Tenbro,. This is just plain fraud man. You are just trying to use this non issue of cutting off irrelevant issues to run from argument. So, it is you who cannot defend your doctrine for by virtue of the separation of irrelevancies from the main issue, i have responded to response that "you admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating? As in do you say that this guy below is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer? Trustedapparel: I am a married man with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much ....since I Bleep that lady I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... honestly I want to make her my second wife ... So, you are the one running away because you obviously planned on using the darkness of confusion of to make your argument instead of stepping into the light of clearity and accuracy where Truth can be undisputably seen which is what I am doing in separating non issues and irrelevancies from the main argument. I have already explained why I am not answering your questions that before all those questions is the foundational questions i have asked you. And rather than answer it, WHICH YOU LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE GOING TO ANSWER IT, you then asked for me to make the question clearer, you rather raised up another foundational issue prompting me to ask you So, if indeed you are a Christian, step into the light for scrutiny. You are just running away and come not into the light because you don't want your judgements to be made known. It is the ivus who run from the light . That is what you yourself told Muslims when they make antics that show that they are running. So, you are running away because you know that you are wrong and that your doctrine is a Lie, if not attend to the main argument and stop raising issues that detract and deviate from the main argument |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by TenQ: 8:50pm On Jun 23 |
TenQ: Dtruthspeaker:Sorry! Quote me properly in full and engage with my questions just like I answered your own Question. Otherwise, there is zero point of continuing the conversation. Again: I cannot go on discussing out of context where you 1. Choose only what you want 2. Avoid whatever will betray your position 3. Deliberately choose not to respond to questions because answering them make your position indefensible. I am sorry, I do not deal in emotionalism with respect to the scriptures: if you cannot defend your position, be humble to learn! Sorry: those are my terms! I don't condone escapists in debates! Your hypocrisy is made glaring for everyone to see. Now, you press forward with other questions expecting me to answer it WHILE you avoid answering my own questions. |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:51am On Jun 24 |
TenQ:There isn't any reasonable person who cannot see that your response conveys an underlying issue of this same dispute which needs to be first treated before we proceed to all the questions you asked and wish to ask. It is exactly as trying to solve a quadratic equation and yet, it is seen there is a problem with addition and subtraction. So, the addition and subtraction have to be resolved first before we can address the quadratic equation. Your response reveals that even the basic ground of this issue which I overlooked is in dispute which is you believe and "you admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating? So, therefore you need to explain and resolve how this guy below is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer? Trustedapparel: I am a married man with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much ....since I Bleep that lady I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... honestly I want to make her my second wife ... So, please clear this addition/subtraction so that we can move up to the quadratic equation of the rightness/wrongness of polygamy |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by TenQ: 5:59am On Jun 24 |
I will do exactly like you here: choose only what I want to respond to Dtruthspeaker:Even you admit here that you overlooked issues in this conversation. Those overlooked issues you refused to deal with has caused you this problem. Please dont complain because the Above is what you get when you cherry pick what to engage with Again, go AND Quote me properly in full and then engage with my questions just like I answered your own Question. Otherwise, there is zero point of continuing the conversation. |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:54am On Jun 24 |
K TenQ:I have no problem when issues are narrowed and pinned down. And see you are confirming what I said that knowing you are wrong and that you cannot validly defend your doctrine is why you are use all this antics of making issues outside the main argument to dodge and avoid answering the questions that came out of your statement. This is fraudulent and it shows that you are not a Christian and that you do not support Truth and light for i already told you that the Fallacy of reversal of burden of proof is what stops me from answering your questions. AI Overview +4 The fallacy of reversal of burden of proof (also known as shifting the burden) occurs when the person making a claim avoids providing evidence and instead demands their opponent disprove it. Description: Making a claim that needs justification, then demanding that the opponent justifies the opposite of the claim So, it is wrong for you to demand that i skip the process and and answer your questions. SA Christian does the right thing and so if you say you are Christian then do the right by attending to the questions i have asked you to explain how you admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating? So, therefore resolve how this guy below is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer? Trustedapparel: i am a married man with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much ....since I Bleep that lady I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... honestly I want to make her my second wife ... |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by TenQ: 4:03pm On Jun 24 |
Dtruthspeaker:You are wrong and waisting your time. Go back and do the needful and engage properly. The letters kill! |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 4:27pm On Jun 24 |
TenQ:You are the one being fraudulent and behaving like pagans do. The rules of debate and fallacy are very clear on making sure arguments are clean, pure and True. And I have pointed out that your asking me to answer your question whilst you were still trying to defend your doctrine amounts to the fallacy of the reversal of burden of proof. So, if deed you are a Christian and ybelieve that your doctrine is not a lie, then why are you trying to committing the fallacy of reversal of burd. of Proof instead of you to justify your claim by yourself? If indeed, you stand for Truth and light, then answer the query that came out of your response and stop dodging and running. you admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating? So, therefore resolve how this guy below is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer? Trustedapparel: i am a married man with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much ....since I Bleep that lady I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... honestly I want to make her my second wife ... Oya, say the Truth here and shame the devu if you indeed are a Christian and one who speaks the Truth |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by TenQ: 5:39pm On Jun 24 |
Dtruthspeaker:I didn't call you names. You are WRONG in capital letters. Humble yourself to learn. Again, stop wasting your time with this if INDEED you intend to discuss Scriptures. Go back and do the needful and engage properly. The letters kill! |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:53pm On Jun 24 |
TenQ:I am not calling you names. I am just pointing out that you are doing a Wrong and asking me to join you to do a wrong in refusing to obey the laws of debate while asking me to fall for the offence of the fallacy of reversal of burden of proof. This is not righteous and Christianly. The rules of debate state that you must justify the claim you make and i have been asking you to explain how you "admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating? So, therefore resolve how this guy below is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer? Trustedapparel: i am a married man [/b]with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much ....[b]since I Bleep that lady I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... honestly I want to make her my second wife ... And you have been dodging, if truly you are Christian and righteous you ought to abide by the rules of debate. So answer the question above. |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by TenQ: 8:49pm On Jun 24 |
Dtruthspeaker:You are waisting your time because if you do not do the needful by engaging with my questions and stop avoiding points that betray your position, there is NOTHING to discuss with a person who is wrongly interpreting the scriptures! By the Scriptures, You are THOROUGHLY IRREVOCABLY Wrong |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:39pm On Jun 25 |
TenQ:So in other words, you are telling the world that you don't care about the debate being fair, right, just and clean? And you say that you are a Christian? Even the Muslim, Antichristian, expanse2020 and atheist obey the law of fair debates but here you are telling me to disregard the fallacy of reversal of burden of proof which placed the burden on you to prove and justify how you "admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating? And rather than answer the quer you rather choosing to commit the fallacy of switching the burden of proof. Your doing this already proves that your assertion on polygamy is baseless and indefensible. And that even antichristian and some atheist are more righteouser than you. So, you mean you throw away your dignity and honour and righteousness and resort to fallacious antics just to protect your clearly falls belief that polygamy is not a sin? |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Expanse2020(m): 7:01pm On Jun 25 |
Dtruthspeaker:Na so your brother they do .... When hammered with a truth he will quickly divert to another thing... Na the same traits in all of una |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:32pm On Jun 25 |
Expanse2020:Me, i never see am do am before. However, normal, normal when people no fit answer na divert or abuse dem go do,. You sef do am but when I correct you, you stay your lane dat na why I remember you. And Christian no get right to do am and na here many disappoint me. And me i no expect an from TenQ. |
| Re: Does God Permit Polygamy In The New Testament? by Expanse2020(m): 7:38pm On Jun 25 |
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