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You whey I finished you started repeating the same thing..
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Dtruthspeaker:
So in other words, you are telling the world that you don't care about the debate being fair, right, just and clean?
And you say that you are a Christian?

Even the Muslim, Antichristian, expanse2020 and atheist obey the law of fair debates but here you are telling me to disregard the fallacy of reversal of burden of proof which placed the burden on you to prove and justify how you "admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating?

And rather than answer the quer you rather choosing to commit the fallacy of switching the burden of proof. Your doing this already proves that your assertion on polygamy is baseless and indefensible.

And that even antichristian and some atheist are more righteouser than you.

So, you mean you throw away your dignity and honour and righteousness and resort to fallacious antics just to protect your clearly falls belief that polygamy is not a sin?

Start from where you violated the rules of engagement

TenQ:
I will appreciate that you don't cut off my text again.

Exod 23:7:
"Keep far from a false matter, and do not kill the innocent and righteous; for I will not justify the wicked."


From the scriptures below, we can show clearly that Adultery is wickedness Mark 7:21–23, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10 and Galatians 5:19-21


BUT, through your biased INTERPOLATIONS
Suddenly, you moved from CHEATING on one's spouse (which is clearly ADULTERY) and connecting it with POLYGAMY!
How!?
Did Abraham cheat on Sarah?
You wouldn't answer this question!


And you refused to answer my first relevant question

A. If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that
1. David died in sin
2. Israel (Jacob) died in sin
3. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine)
It is a YES or NO answer!


Your question assume that Polygamy is a Sin of Adultery making your questions presumptuous.
Is such a person sinless?
The Answer
It depends.
If he married a new wife without the knowledge or consent of his Wife, it is ADULTERY
However,
Of he married the new wife with the consent and knowledge of his Wife, it is NOT Adultery.

Again: Did Abraham cheat on Sarah?
You wouldn't answer this question!



So, again, Kindly show me where Polygamy is classed as Adultery anywhere in the Bible?

Here was the snippet of your response

Dtruthspeaker:
Please, forgive me, i cannot obey it for i have explained that it is of necessity that that area of dispute is always made INDISPUTABLY CLEAR For Truth to shine Bright and for irrelevant arguments to be kept away from it so as not to cause distractions and mixing of unnecessary arguments with the main issue of dispute.

And if you are a Christian you would always want Truth to be made clear for Truth loves light but lies and confusion love darkness.. So as a Christian you don't want confusion in this search/verification of Truth. So please support me. So. This has to be cut off as it is not the area of dispute.

For the last time, go back to where you derailed, answer the questions I posted one by one to engage. Then ASK any questions after. Otherwise, its just PURE emotionalism from your side.

Any Doctrine that cannot answer questions with regards to its position and claims is FAKE and not worth anything.

Have you EVER in your life seen a NORMAL debate where ONLY one side has the monopoly of asking his opponent questions but this same side is avoiding answering questions from the opposition?

Your position has a name in debate circles
It is called a bad-faith debate or bad-faith argumentation or one-sided cross-examination. More precisely, it can be described as interrogation, deflection, or a double standard, especially when one side keeps questioning but refuses to answer in return


Sorry, it doesn't work!

FOLLOW UP TO HELP YOUR MEMORY
Go back here Mr Dtruthspeaker

Dtruthspeaker:
My question is, from Exodus 23:7, we can see that God will never uphold wickedness. And adultery is wickedness to a spouse.

So, how can a person who does not just cheat on his wife (adultery) but even now goes as far as marrying his co-adulterer, be sinless?

Is such a person sinless?i

You made TWO claims and a question
Claim 1: God will never uphold wickedness AND Adultery is a Sin
My response: I agreed with you and I gave supporting bible verses

Claim 2: So, how can a person who does not just cheat on his wife (adultery) but even now goes as far as marrying his co-adulterer, be sinless?
My response: Your question assume that Polygamy is a Sin of Adultery making your questions presumptuous.

Even based on your presumption, I answered your Question

The Answer
It depends.
If he married a new wife without the knowledge or consent of his Wife, it is ADULTERY
However,
Of he married the new wife with the consent and knowledge of his Wife, it is NOT Adultery.

Your question highlighted in YELLOW was answered!
You said:
So, how can a person who does not just cheat on his wife (adultery) but even now goes as far as marrying his co-adulterer, be sinless?
Is such a person sinless?i


AND I asked my follow-up questions to address where your presumption was clearly WRONG (THREE Questions) which till now you have not answered.

1. Did Abraham cheat on Sarah?
2. If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that
i. David died in sin
ii. Israel (Jacob) died in sin
iii. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine)
It is a YES or NO answer!
3. Kindly show me where Polygamy is classed as Adultery anywhere in the Bible?
Again : go back to https://www.nairaland.com/8690508/does-god-permit-polygamy-new/3#139795316

TenQ:
FOLLOW UP TO HELP YOUR MEMORY
Go back here Mr Dtruthspeaker

You made TWO claims and a question
Claim 1:[ God will never uphold wickedness AND Adultery is a Sin
[My response: agreed with you and I gave supporting bible verses[/i]

Claim 2: So, how can a person who does not just cheat on his wife (adultery) but even now goes as far as marrying his co-adulterer, be sinless?
My response:[/b] Your question assume that Polygamy is a Sin of Adultery making your questions presumptuous.

Even based on your presumption, I answered your Question

Your question highlighted in YELLOW was answered!
You said:[/b]
So, how can a person who does not just cheat on his wife (adultery) but even now goes as far as marrying his co-adulterer, be sinless?
Is such a person sinless?i

ANDI asked my follow-up questions to address where your presumption was clearly WRONG (THREE Questions) which till now you have not answered.

1. Did Abraham cheat on Sarah?
2. If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that
i. David died in sin
ii. Israel (Jacob) died in sin
iii. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine)
[b]It is a YES or NO answer!
3. Kindly show me where Polygamy is classed as Adultery anywhere in the Bible?[/b]
Again : go back to https://www.nairaland.com/8690508/does-god-permit-polygamy-new/3#139795316

This is not right!

I have only one claim which is polygamy is a sin and that God never ever condoned it. That is my claim and every other statement made is made towards proving my claim and that is where all the statements you highlight fall under. So they are not claims only statements made in support of claim.

Same thing applies to you, your claim is that it is not a SIN if a man has more than one wife'. And everything you have been saying is geared towards proving it.

And by the balance of the rules of debate, the burden of proof fell on you to explain how you "admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating?

And therefore, i gave you the case of this guy below to explain how he is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer?

Trustedapparel:
i am a married man with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much .... since I Bleep that lady [/b]I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... [b]honestly I want to make her my second wife ...

Your "follow up question" in bold, in response to my question "how you "admit and agree that cheating is adultery[/b], but you do not think that a married ... Is what is the fallacy of reversing the burden of proof

So, righteousness and the rules of debate dictate that you have to answer my query first and properly discharge the burden of proof on you. And it is from this law that we say you can't answer a question with a question.

All those statements highlighted merely show the trail and paths of the arguments made.

So, the spot that needs resolution is you rightfully and Truthfully answering the question explain how you "admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating?

And therefore, i gave you the case of this guy below to explain how he is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer?

Trustedapparel:
i am a married man with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much .... since I Bleep that lady [/b]I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... [b]honestly I want to make her my second wife...

TenQ:
Start from where you violated the rules of engagement


Here was the snippet of your response

For the last time, go back to where you derailed, answer the questions I posted one by one to engage. Then ASK any questions after. Otherwise, its just PURE emotionalism from your side.

Any Doctrine that cannot answer questions with regards to its position and claims is FAKE and not worth anything.

Have you EVER in your life seen a NORMAL debate where ONLY one side has the monopoly of asking his opponent questions but this same side is avoiding answering questions from the opposition?

Your position has a name in debate circles
It is called a bad-faith debate or bad-faith argumentation or one-sided cross-examination. More precisely, it can be described as interrogation, deflection, or a double standard, especially when one side keeps questioning but refuses to answer in return


Sorry, it doesn't work!

I told you from the beginning that you are committing the fallacy of reversal of the burden of proof is why I have not yet answered your questions.

For you are the one trying to prove that polygamy is not a sin, so the burden is on you to prove beyond reasonable doubt and you have not finished proving beyond reasonable doubt because every time you answer, i always have a new doubt and query to ask.

That is why you are feeling burdened that it is one sided for it actually means that your belief in polygamy is baseless and groundless.

But, if you think that it is grounded, then you have got to answer my queries till we get to its ground of Solid Undisputable Truth That is why it is said "There is no valid argument against the Truth" for there would be no reasonable question to ask nor argument to make.

So, you are going to answer my questions until you hit the Solid Rock of Truth.

Unless you want to give up and throw in the toilet and therefore agree that your doctrine on polygamy is baseless and therefore a lie. Then you can put the burden of proof on me and do the same thing i have done to you.

Dtruthspeaker:
I told you from the beginning that you are committing the fallacy of reversal of the burden of proof is why I have not yet answered your questions.

For you are the one trying to prove that polygamy is not a sin, so the burden is on you to prove beyond reasonable doubt and you have not finished proving beyond reasonable doubt because every time you answer, i always have a new doubt and query to ask.

That is why you are feeling burdened that it is one sided for it actually means that your belief in polygamy is baseless and groundless.

But, if you think that it is grounded, then you have got to answer my queries till we get to its ground of Solid Undisputable Truth That is why it is said "There is no valid argument against the Truth" for there would be no reasonable question to ask nor argument to make.

So, you are going to answer my questions until you hit the Solid Rock of Truth.

Unless you want to give up and throw in the toilet and therefore agree that your doctrine on polygamy is baseless and therefore a lie. Then you can put the burden of proof on me and do the same thing i have done to you.

Sorry!


Any Doctrine that cannot answer questions with regards to its position and claims is FAKE and not worth anything.

Have you EVER in your life seen a NORMAL debate where ONLY one side has the monopoly of asking his opponent questions but this same side is avoiding answering questions from the opposition?

Your position has a name in debate circles
It is called a bad-faith debate or bad-faith argumentation or one-sided cross-examination. More precisely, it can be described as interrogation, deflection, or a double standard, especially when one side keeps questioning but refuses to answer in return


Sorry, it doesn't work with me!

Dtruthspeaker:
This is not right!

I have only one claim which is polygamy is a sin and that God never ever condoned it. That is my claim and every other statement made is made towards proving my claim and that is where all the statements you highlight fall under. So they are not claims only statements made in support of claim.

Same thing applies to you, your claim is that it is not a SIN if a man has more than one wife'. And everything you have been saying is geared towards proving it.

And by the balance of the rules of debate, the burden of proof fell on you to explain how you "admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating?

And therefore, i gave you the case of this guy below to explain how he is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer?

Trustedapparel:
i am a married man with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much .... since I Bleep that lady [/b]I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... [b]honestly I want to make her my second wife ...

Your "follow up question" in bold, in response to my question "how you "admit and agree that cheating is adultery[/b], but you do not think that a married ... Is what is the fallacy of reversing the burden of proof

So, righteousness and the rules of debate dictate that you have to answer my query first and properly discharge the burden of proof on you. And it is from this law that we say you can't answer a question with a question.

All those statements highlighted merely show the trail and paths of the arguments made.

So, the spot that needs resolution is you rightfully and Truthfully answering the question explain how you "admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating?

And therefore, i gave you the case of this guy below to explain how he is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer?

Trustedapparel:
i am a married man with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much .... since I Bleep that lady [/b]I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... [b]honestly I want to make her my second wife...

I answered your question, so answer my THREE Questions otherwise
Since you cannot engage with my questions, you cannot get any more from me.

Have a nice day!

TenQ:
I answered your question, so answer my THREE Questions otherwise
Since you cannot engage with my questions, you cannot get any more from me.

Have a nice day!

And your answer only led to more questions which you have to answer. That is the effect of burden of proof. And it is wrong and invalid for you to reverse the burden of proof.

So, righteousness and the rules of debate dictate that you have to answer my query first and properly discharge the burden of proof on you.

So if truly you are a Christian and you love righteousness, then obey the law of debates and answer the question the question
explain how you "admit and agree that cheating is adultery, but you do not think that a married person who now marries another person (polygamy) is guilty of cheating?

And therefore, i gave you the case of this guy below to explain how he is not guilty of cheating (adultery) because he wants to marry his co-adulterer?

Trustedapparel:
i am a married man with 2kids but their is one big lady that I met she loves me very much .... since I Bleep that lady [/b]I can't get my eyes of her ....I have been thinking about her since after the marathon sex we hard last month... [b]honestly I want to make her my second wife...

TenQ:
Sorry!

Any Doctrine that cannot answer questions with regards to its position and claims is FAKE and not worth anything.

Have you EVER in your life seen a NORMAL debate where ONLY one side has the monopoly of asking his opponent questions but this same side is avoiding answering questions from the opposition?

Your position has a name in debate circles
It is called a bad-faith debate or bad-faith argumentation or one-sided cross-examination. More precisely, it can be described as interrogation, deflection, or a double standard, especially when one side keeps questioning but refuses to answer in return

Sorry, it doesn't work with me!

You are just repeating yourself for i have already answered you saying that all doctrines are subject to the laws of debates and fallacies.

And the laws of debates has placed the burden on you to prove until reasonable doubt is cleared your doctrine that polygamy is not a sin. And you have not finished proving beyond reasonable doubt because every time you answer, i always have a new doubt and query to ask, so the burden of proof remains on you.

Thus, you are the one acting in bad faith for you refuse to abide with the law of debate which says that you should proof beyond reasonable doubt but meanwhile you are committing the fallacy of reversing the burden of proof and refusing to correct yourself even though you have been called out on it about 9 times.

Muslims and atheist abide by this laws and you who claims to be a Christian has thrown away all righteousness because of this polygamy debate where you are even refusing to obey the laws of debates. Guy, you are not a Christian at all and you do not believe in Righteousness. Even Muslims antichrist and expanse2020 have proven themselves more righteouser than you. So guy because of this falls belief, you choose to go to hel? I fear you pass these Muslims oo.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are just repeating yourself for i have already answered you saying that all doctrines are subject to the laws of debates and fallacies.

And the laws of debates has placed the burden on you to prove until reasonable doubt is cleared your doctrine that polygamy is not a sin. And you have not finished proving beyond reasonable doubt because every time you answer, i always have a new doubt and query to ask, so the burden of proof remains on you.

Thus, you are the one acting in bad faith for you refuse to abide with the law of debate which says that you should proof beyond reasonable doubt but meanwhile you are committing the fallacy of reversing the burden of proof and refusing to correct yourself even though you have been called out on it about 9 times.

Muslims and atheist abide by this laws and you who claims to be a Christian has thrown away all righteousness because of this polygamy debate where you are even refusing to obey the laws of debates. Guy, you are not a Christian at all and you do not believe in Righteousness. Even Muslims antichrist and expanse2020 have proven themselves more righteouser than you. So guy because of this falls belief, you choose to go to hel? I fear you pass these Muslims oo.

Abeg remove me from this your nonsense oo

Expanse2020:
Abeg remove me from this your nonsense oo

But you be good example na? Okay, you no want to be mentioned for good thing. No wahala

Dtruthspeaker:
But you be good example na? Okay, you no want to be mentioned for good thing. No wahala

Mara
Go away jare 🤣🤣

Expanse2020:
Mara
Go away jare 🤣🤣

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People who defend polygamy are just defending a form of hedonism, I think. I mean if a man can support multiples wives and many children, it's not the worst-case scenario, but it seems having one wife is more than enough, and allows him to devote the proper time to his children.