₦airaland Forum

Wickedfacts:
Is Regional government recognized under the law?

It should be. The law can after all be changed so it is recognise for the purpose of regional police. After all, they are proposing a change of the law to recognise state police.

That said, we have Amotekun in my state, and there's that horrible hisbah in some states. Abolishing those for state police might be a huge leap forward.

budaatum:
It should be. The law can after all be changed so it is recognise for the purpose of regional police. After all, they are proposing a change of the law to recognise state police.

That said, we have Amotekun in my state, and there's that horrible hisbah in some states. Abolishing those for state police might be a huge leap forward.

The regions today are the states. If states want to merge it is ok but it would be wrong to merge states by fiat when many groups within states are still demanding autonomy. Does any state police even make sense without the Ebira, Igala etc having one? Answer is No

DomPerignon:
Please I need to know why people mainly from the SE are against state policing that is about to be passed by the Senate.

People like you will instigate Rwandan like deadly genocide against Igbos. But God will shame you. Mark it!

lawani:
The regions today are the states. If states want to merge it is ok but it would be wrong to merge states by fiat when many groups within states are still demanding autonomy. Does any state police even make sense without the Ebira, Igala etc having one? Answer is No

No one is claiming regional police must be by fiat. I simply proposed it as a means to limit governor control of police. They have not asked for my opinion and are unlikely to listen to me if I offer it.

voortrekker966:
People like you will instigate Rwandan like deadly genocide against Igbos. But God will shame you. Mark it!

This is the second time you guys are falsely claiming that the Rwandan genocide was instigated by local policing .

budaatum:
No one is claiming regional police must be by fiat. I simply proposed it as a means to limit governor control of police. They have not asked for my opinion and are unlikely to listen to me if I offer it.

That's why the bill before the senate places the modalities and enabling act of creating and operating state police on the respective state legislature

The issue of reducing executive control and interference on state police can be addressed by passing the right governing laws .

The only thing the President is doing is ensuring the constitution is amended so that states can create their policing force any how they so deem it fit

The amendment gives states to tweak their policing force to meet their own peculiarities.

If you have serious concerns of executive hijacking of state police, then have laws passed by your state legislative to ensure the state governor has little or no powers over the state police .

budaatum:
It should be. The law can after all be changed so it is recognise for the purpose of regional police. After all, they are proposing a change of the law to recognise state police.

That said, we have Amotekun in my state, and there's that horrible hisbah in some states. Abolishing those for state police might be a huge leap forward.

Hear yourself.

How can there be regional police when there are no regional parliaments to ensure it's creation ?

How can a police force become regional and not under any state law creation even come into existence ?


Isn't it better than states tailor their own police force to meet what they desire as a police force ?

DomPerignon:
This is the second time you guys are falsely claiming that the Rwandan genocide was instigated by local policing .

Did I mention police? Are you police? You are the instigator. You and your likes will get what you want but it will backfire on you.

If my below recommendations are not done before implementation of state Police, state Police will fail in improving security in Nigerian states as we all expect. There will be clash of power and interest between the state and federal Police just as we see between army and Police that are not even doing the same job.

1.) Make it compulsory that every Federal Commissioner of Police and all heads of tactical teams and formations under Police command in any Nigerian state must be indigenes of that state where they are posted or working.


2.) Every Commanding Officer of every military cantonment in any state in Nigeria must be an indigene of that state.

3.) Every Director of DSS in every state in Nigeria must be indigene of that state.

4.) Every Civil Defense Corps Boss in any Nigeria state must be an indigene of that state.




I am recommending this to be done first before implementing state Police to avoid sabotage and clash of interest between the State Police and other federal security agencies like Federal Police, Army, and even Civil Defense Corps.


I am making this recommendation based on years of intelligence report on how Fulani herdsmen terrorists and militants operate in every Nigerian state, with locals accusing the Nigerian army of protecting Fulani herdsmen militants after they attack a community.



With my recommendation, both State Police, Federal Police, Civil Defense and Army will work in tandem to secure their state of jurisdiction knowing it is also their indigenous state, so they won't be protecting any group of violent criminals just because they are people from his ethnic divide or religion

Lots of craze people full Naija.

You guys cried out for state policing for decades.

You got it now but you don't like who gave you.

DomPerignon:
Please I need to know why people mainly from the SE are against state policing that is about to be passed by the Senate.

I'm not Igbo, and I am opposed to state police, because if federal government is struggling to fund state police, how would the states be able to fund state police.?

And knowing NIgerians, they are going to oppose taxes to do the funding job.

The opposition will remain for me, even if na Obi or atiku or sowore doing it.

I'm even looking at states like Zamfara. What they need for succesful state police, the money is probably even more than all their annual budget for the year.

Nigerians should stop builidng castles in the air.

franchasofficia:
I was one of those that supported state Police but after putting so many things into consideration, I realized that State Police will end up becoming a tool of oppression, intimidation and for election rigging for Governors.


I know Tinubu's main goal is to empower Lagos state which is more like his family's personal business center.


If truly Tinubu wants to do an overhaul of our security architecture to reduce insecurity and improve local policing and security in Nigeria, then he ought to do the below



1.) Make it compulsory that every Federal Commissioner of Police and all heads of tactical teams and formations under Police command must be indigenes of that state.


2.) Every Commanding Officer of every military cantonment in any state in Nigeria must be an indigene of that state.

3.) Every Director of DSS in every state in Nigeria must be indigene of that state.

4.) Every Civil Defense Corps Boss in any Nigeria state must be an indigene of that state.

Do this alone and watch insecurity and terrorism die a natural death in Nigeria with time.


Then with time, we can start the process of recognizing regional governments using the six geopolitical zones as template, from there, we can have Regional Prime Ministers for each of the 6 geopolitical zones, then we can have Regional Police. Gradually we can phase out Presidency and move to Regional government with a less powerful Prime Minister whose role will be more focused on foreign policies, border control and defense against external threats.



This is the only way to make a meaningful impact in Nigeria.


State Police even though it sounds nice on paper could fragment Nigeria and turn to another chaos. We ought to have a sincere electoral law that reduces rigging and election results manipulation to say 85% first before empowering our corrupt, rascal state Governors with a State Police to avoid abuse and using the state Police to rig election and perpetuate themselves and their corrupt cronies into office perpetually while the people remain helpless to change or remove them

Gosh, your idea and view have to be the ONLY way. There's something very wrong with this way of thinking. You are not God and God in His wisdom made us different.

nairalanda1:
I'm not Igbo, and I am opposed to state police, because if federal government is struggling to fund state police, how would the states be able to fund state police.?

And knowing NIgerians, they are going to oppose taxes to do the funding job.

The opposition will remain for me, even if na Obi or atiku or sowore doing it.

I'm even looking at states like Zamfara. What they need for succesful state police, the money is probably even more than all their annual budget for the year.

Nigerians should stop builidng castles in the air.

In other words, you don't want to be responsible. Just let's keep blaming the center.
FYI, the law doesn't make state police compulsory. It only allows room for states that feel they can do an extra or better job about their security instead of waiting forever for handouts from the federal government.
There's currently rigging, so it's not something that state police wants to come and introduce.
If you don't want, no problem. But allow those who want it the chance.

Image123:
If you don't want, no problem. But allow those who want it the chance.

That's the issue here because they don't want it at all not only in their region or states but every other place because they are well aware that it will boost security and promote law enforcement which they are against.

nairalanda1:
I'm not Igbo, and I am opposed to state police, because if federal government is struggling to fund state police, how would the states be able to fund state police.?

And knowing NIgerians, they are going to oppose taxes to do the funding job.

The opposition will remain for me, even if na Obi or atiku or sowore doing it.

I'm even looking at states like Zamfara. What they need for succesful state police, the money is probably even more than all their annual budget for the year.

Nigerians should stop builidng castles in the air.

There are volunteering members of state vigilante groups in places like Zamfara and Bornu who joined solely to provide much needed security and self defense but are hampered by non existing laws that prevent their state governors from arming them to the fullest.

They also don't have custodial rights and powers to prosecute criminals and so must hand over suspected bandits and criminals to the Federal police .

If states had passed laws to recognise these volunteering force of vigilantes to be full law enforcement, their status and rigour will rise exponentially and they will carry out their functions and service with full backing of the law.

Learn to spell correctly. If you mean Igbo then it's Igbo not "ibo"

franchasofficia:
I was one of those that supported state Police but after putting so many things into consideration, I realized that State Police will end up becoming a tool of oppression, intimidation and for election rigging for Governors.


I know Tinubu's main goal is to empower Lagos state which is more like his family's personal business center.


If truly Tinubu wants to do an overhaul of our security architecture to reduce insecurity and improve local policing and security in Nigeria, then he ought to do the below



1.) Make it compulsory that every Federal Commissioner of Police and all heads of tactical teams and formations under Police command must be indigenes of that state.


2.) Every Commanding Officer of every military cantonment in any state in Nigeria must be an indigene of that state.

3.) Every Director of DSS in every state in Nigeria must be indigene of that state.

4.) Every Civil Defense Corps Boss in any Nigeria state must be an indigene of that state.

Do this alone and watch insecurity and terrorism die a natural death in Nigeria with time.


Then with time, we can start the process of recognizing regional governments using the six geopolitical zones as template, from there, we can have Regional Prime Ministers for each of the 6 geopolitical zones, then we can have Regional Police. Gradually we can phase out Presidency and move to Regional government with a less powerful Prime Minister whose role will be more focused on foreign policies, border control and defense against external threats.



This is the only way to make a meaningful impact in Nigeria.


State Police even though it sounds nice on paper could fragment Nigeria and turn to another chaos. We ought to have a sincere electoral law that reduces rigging and election results manipulation to say 85% first before empowering our corrupt, rascal state Governors with a State Police to avoid abuse and using the state Police to rig election and perpetuate themselves and their corrupt cronies into office perpetually while the people remain helpless to change or remove them

State Police is optional, not compulsory.

If your own states in your region can't afford to have state police, that is fine. The federal police will keep protecting you.

However, don't drag states who are better than you to your own pedestrian level.

Okoyeeboz:
State Police is optional, not compulsory.

If your own states in your region can't afford to have state police, that is fine. The federal police will keep protecting you.

However, don't drag states who are better than you to your own pedestrian level.

That's the problem.

They don't want states that want to have their own police force doing so.

They see state policing as dangerous to their own lawlessness and warped Zikist interpretation of one Nigeria.

This is how they are the most vocal critics of sharia law being implemented up north because it became a major hindrance to their vice operations up there.

They are scared of State policing because it will become the enforcement arm of state laws that are meant to protect indigeneship rights and promote state laws.

They also see state policing in their states as an avenue to tyranny giving that every vigilante force setup by their governors since Bakassi boys and rogue policing like ESN/BLA all ended up terrorising the very people they claim to protectm

Their problem plenty as to why they are aversed to it.

They also see state police as a future deterrent to any Biafran expansion into the SS.

DomPerignon:
Please I need to know why people mainly from the SE are against state policing that is about to be passed by the Senate.

I personally believe it may be because they know State police will be staffed by indigenes frustrating their effort towards greater integration everywhere as the most permanently dispersed Nigerian ethnic group.

Despite all talks of Biafra, the fact is that it is Igbos who benefit from and need 'one Nigeria' most.

Every development, like State Policing, that makes indigenes gain greater control towards taking full charge of their States and region, meaning all Nigerians have to go and develop their States and region or risk becoming distinctly second class outside their States and region, Igbos cannot like or support.

This is because they are the biggest beneficiary of 'One Nigeria" where anyone can go anywhere to live, trade and earn yet me and you know that model of Governance has failed and is unsustainable..

TopBanter:
I personally believe it may be because they know State police will be staffed by indigenes frustrating their effort towards greater integration everywhere as the most permanently dispersed Nigerian ethnic group.

Despite all talks of Biafra, the fact is that it is Igbos who benefit from and need 'one Nigeria' most.

Every development, like State Policing, that makes indigenes gain greater control towards taking full charge of their States and region, meaning all Nigerians have to go and develop their States and region or risk becoming distinctly second class outside their States and region, Igbos cannot like or support.

This is because they are the biggest beneficiary of 'One Nigeria" where anyone can go anywhere to live, trade and earn yet me and you know that model of Governance has failed and is unsustainable..

You are right .

No more calling IG in Abuja to release their criminals

State police will serve them a heavy dose of justice.

Also state police are seen as a standing army against their future Biafra expansion into the SS .

Same reason Ojukwu rejected Gowon's decree 8 that proposed regional armies because Ojukwu saw regional armies as a threat to his intended expansionism into the Midwest and Western region.

DomPerignon:
You are right .

No more calling IG in Abuja to release their criminals

State police will serve them a heavy dose of justice.

Also state police are seen as a standing army against their future Biafra expansion into the SS .

Same reason Ojukwu rejected Gowon's decree 8 that proposed regional armies because Ojukwu saw regional armies as a threat to his intended expansionism into the Midwest and Western region.

Indeed. The Indigene Police commissioner, under State policing, State legislative house have approved will ensure justice is local and not frustrated by 'One Nigeria' idiocy where DSP Chukwuemeka in Osun is dispensing justice partisanly.

Most people do not see that Tinubu is moving us towards regionalism and true fiscal federalism which is is what Nigeria needs so that we all competitively embrace the concept of "charity begins at home" that will make Nigeria thrive.

nairalanda1:
I'm not Igbo, and I am opposed to state police, because if federal government is struggling to fund state police, how would the states be able to fund state police.?

And knowing NIgerians, they are going to oppose taxes to do the funding job.

The opposition will remain for me, even if na Obi or atiku or sowore doing it.

I'm even looking at states like Zamfara. What they need for succesful state police, the money is probably even more than all their annual budget for the year.

Nigerians should stop builidng castles in the air.

So Lagos should wait until Zamfara Politicians who are stealing the funds have sense before we can have State Police??

TopBanter:
Most people do not see that Tinubu is moving us towards regionalism and true fiscal federalism which is is what Nigeria needs so that we all competitively embrace the concept of "charity begins at home" that will make Nigeria thrive.

This is why the core northern establishment and the SE polotical class are against Tinubu

When the FG hands responsibility to states, their governors will be forced to look inwards and demand resource control and look into a tax based revenue system.

Enough is enough..

Every state should assume responsibility .

DomPerignon:
That's the issue here because they don't want it at all not only in their region or states but every other place because they are well aware that it will boost security and promote law enforcement which they are against.

It is well, may God Himself deliver us from these people. Make Jagaban continue, no gree for anybody.

DomPerignon:
Even Obi has condemned the State Police bill for no other reason beyond opposition sake.

Although we must remember that Obi made a pledge to northern elders in Arewa in the iconic Arewa House in Kaduna in 2022 not to tamper with the Nigerian constitution especially in the area of resource control for states.

These people just want to milk from others while hypocritically pointing to northerners as parasites.

Wow, just wow.

Image123:
Wow, just wow.

YouTube has had the video of his address to Arewa leaders scrapped from their archives .

But there are several news articles that captured his pledge not to tamper with the 1999 constitution and to oppose any talk of resource control for states

nairalanda1:
I'm not Igbo, and I am opposed to state police, because if federal government is struggling to fund state police, how would the states be able to fund state police.?

And knowing NIgerians, they are going to oppose taxes to do the funding job.

The opposition will remain for me, even if na Obi or atiku or sowore doing it.

I'm even looking at states like Zamfara. What they need for succesful state police, the money is probably even more than all their annual budget for the year.

Nigerians should stop builidng castles in the air.

Federal govt is overwhelmed in maintaining a police administration centered in Abuja .

Funding isn't the issue.

The issue has been hos the federal police funds it's several hundreds of police stations adequately as contained in their budget.

A situation where a Police DPO is expected to remit money to the State commissioner, Zonal AIG, and then the IGP to maintain their position without getting a single kobo on allocation to manage their stations operation is criminal.

If there's state police at least the Commissioner of Police is directly responsible and held to account in funding operations .

Do you know how much resources has been wasted on the NPF?

Private entities and state governors routinely equip state police with SUVs and provide funding to maintain these vehicles but if you lodge a complaint to the police they will tell you they don't have ordinary fuel. Even the SUVs pack up after a few years due to zero maintenance.

We are pouring money into a black hole of corruption.

If states had their own police , they can track every penny spent in maintaining one

Besides, it's time states without any resources begin to look into a tax driven revenue based to meet their obligations.

States like Sokoto can instead invest in cattle ranches and meat packaging firms and from there get needed tax and vat from their cattle sector while reducing the ancestral Fulani herder Vs Hausa farmer clash.

Nigeria needs socio engineering .

DomPerignon:
This is why the core northern establishment and the SE polotical class are against Tinubu

When the FG hands responsibility to states, their governors will be forced to look inwards and demand resource control and look into a tax based revenue system.

Enough is enough..

Every state should assume responsibility .

Absolutely.The only way forward.

FSBoperator:
This is utter rubbish.

The bill calling for an amendment of the 1999 constitution to allow for state policing clearly states that the powers to draw up the modalities for a state police rests in the hands of the state legislative branch.

It's up to each respective state legislative branch to work out the modalities for appointing a state commissioner and in whose authority that lies.

States can even decide to opt for making the position of Commissioner of Police an elective one so that the emergence of a commissioner of police will not be tied to the governor's office.

I will prefer this option so that when a commissioner is obviously inept or corrupt , he can either be impeached or be voted out from office .

Budget approval can even be directly from the state police submitting it's own budget outside the executive and funding secured without executive interference.

Regulatory authority can rest on a special jount legislative-Judiciary commission setup to oversee and regulate the state police.

This your excuse won't fly.

You like to deceive yourself

The state legislators are under the control of the governor. There's no way that the state government won't be in charge of appointing the CP be it directly or indirectly.

And for the records, the Igbos are not against state police.