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In a far future,the story of how Israel was invaded by Hamas, killed more than a thousand and abducted more than two hundred and subsequent retaliation by Israel that led to the killings of thousands of Palestinians, all thanks to Hamas militants using human beings as shield to attack and cover up after attack will be doctored and rewrite to paint Israel as wicked nation by the generation of these terrorists and their sympathizers. But there will always be a Gamaliel who will always state the truth,that I know very well.

You made it look like it was the crusaders who made Jerusalem fall. Jerusalem had fallen rt from the rise of Islam conquest and that was the Genesis of crusades,to liberate the holy land from Muslims

Dogalmighty17:
If we are talking about the crusades, I think it is equally germane to ask. What was the fate of several hundred thousand blacks that the Arabs raided from Africa as slaves? How come there aren't any remnants of black populations in the middle east today?

The crusades were an inevitable response to the mindless bloodletting and wiping out of predominantly Christian communities by ravaging hoards of jihadists.

You people and lies
Christianity were killings people forcing everyone to take Christ in Africa as God..
Show us how Christianity enter Africa and let show you how Islam enter Africa...
Let see who killed and killed here

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Dogalmighty17:
If we are talking about the crusades, I think it is equally germane to ask. What was the fate of several hundred thousand blacks that the Arabs raided from Africa as slaves? How come there aren't any remnants of black populations in the middle east today?

The crusades were an inevitable response to the mindless bloodletting and wiping out of predominantly Christian communities by ravaging hoards of jihadists.

You people and lies
Christianity were killings people forcing everyone to take Christ in Africa as God..
Show us how Christianity enter Africa and let show you how Islam enter Africa...
Let see who killed and killed here

sweetjohn:
Nonesense post. The crusade was formed as a reesult of the Muslim Ottoman Empire that were killing millions of Christians and jews in Europe and around the world. The European Christians then formed the crusade to teach Muslims a lesson and defend Christianity from extinction[s][/s]

Ehen
Can bring the book or history on this ...

Or should I showed you the Muslims empire shield the christians from how the jews are killing them and liberated the christians and let them have access to the holy land in Palestine then

Pure fallacy and exergeration. Read up the story of crusades on Wikipedia to get the real story,not this concocted piece

Kukutente23:
Before you cry about the crusades
First whine about jihad which is ongoing till today

Which jihad are you saying..hope is not the one sponsored by your slave master
Abi your new Jesus sent
Or your so call God savior Country call america
Hope is not what you are referring to jihad too

FSBoperator:
The crusaders was a covet war between Western Rome Vs the Byzantine Fundamental Christian Empire to the East located in today's Turkey.

The crusaders went to war on the blessings of the Pope to rid Palestine of ancient Eastern Orthodox churches and it's people.

The Muslims were never a factor .

It was a war instigated by the Pope to wrest control of what was then a critical choke point in global land trade between Europe and Asia minor and North Africa.

The earliest churches in Palestine were all built by the Byzantine empire and were of the Eastern Orthodox sect who did not subscribe to the veneration of the virgin Mary and the authority of the Pope in Rome.

The first church is always falsely ascribed to the Roman Catholic church.

This is not true .

The first church is the Eastern Orthodox church that does not subscribe to the Pauline doctrine of celibacy and the heretic teachings of venerating the Madonna aka Virgin Mary which is actually a Roman pagan goddess of fertility. Hence , the woman and a child idol which Catholics bow and worship.

Most don't know that Western Rome headed by the Pope waved a war against the Eastern Byzantium empire for centuries over dominance.

The crusades were ordained by the Pope to deny the Eastern Orthodox church any claims to Palestine.

The first crusaders severely dealt with the majority Orthodox Christians and did not allow them to worship in their churches.

This was the outcome of the first crusade and it was framed as a holy war to rid Palestine of Muslims despite the overwhelming population being Christians who were never under any subjugation or domination by the Muslim minorities.

It was all down to the Catholic church getting complete control of Palestine and evicting all orthodox Christians from the land in other to deny legitimacy of the Orthodox church and to ensure all future pilgrimages (big business back then) was for only Catholics .

It was only after the Muslim conquest that all orthodox churches were restored to the rightful owners.

This was what then led to the so-called second crusade which was now down to ridding Palestine of the Muslims.

Not completely true, the first crusade was as a result of a cry for help from the church in the Arab world , unfortunately when the arrived they could not tell between Jews ,xtians and moslems and slaughtered everyone and due to starvation stared feeding on humans.but after that first crusade it was politics and there was one of the crusades that the team left there primary mission and helped a king to over throw another king. Out of 4 crusades only the first one was "successful". The other were disasters filled with infighting, starvation, and lack of morale.

Don't mind her. Infact the islamists wreck more havoc. It was the hostility of the crusades that made the islamists under sheikjuk to invade and conquer Constantinople,now Istanbul and convert the city to Islam to this day.

HeatSeeker:
Atrocities were committed on both ends. The islamic world should also tell us what they did to Christian pilgrims visiting Jerusalem. None of their writers will mention that it was their actions that eventually led to the idea that Christians must take the Holy land for themselves. The crusades were a direct response to islamic aggression towards Christian pilgrims.

myk2mic:
Not completely true, the first crusade was as a result of a cry for help from the church in the Arab world , unfortunately when the arrived they could not tell between Jews ,xtians and moslems and slaughtered everyone and due to starvation stared feeding on humans.but after that first crusade it was politics and there was one of the crusades that the team left there primary mission and helped a king to over throw another king. Out of 4 crusades only the first one was "successful". The other were disasters filled with infighting, starvation, and lack of morale.

That's what you have been told .

Prior to the first crusades ordered by Rome, Muslims were a minority and the entire Palestine was under the Byzantine empire.

There was no Muslim ruling over Palestine and Jerusalem before the first crusades and there was actually a Muslim minority in Jerusalem and all Palestine.


When the Muslim General, Saladin took Jerusalem, he handed over the keys to the Church that was built on the hill Jesus was crucified to a Muslim family.

Why did he do this ?

Because the Catholic faithfuls had seized the church as theirs following the first crusade by Rome.

Saladin ordered that both orthodox and Catholics should share the church but that it will be held in trust by a Muslim family to keep the peace.

That family lineage are still the ones in custody of that church.

Lukuluku69:
Please search the history books and tell us what the Muslims did to the Pilgrims.

Also, tell us what the Muslims Rulers did that made it a Religious duty for Christians in Europe to wage such a relentless war on the inhabitants of that same Holy Land considering the fact that the same Europe told us that Peter was built Jesus Church in Rome and not Jerusalem.

I will wait....

Let me enlighten you a bit. In the medieval times, Europeans pilgrims usually made trips to Jerusalem,the city of Jesus for pilgrimage activities like visiting Jesus tomb and Virgin Mary tomb as well,but after some century they started having difficulty accessing this holy sites as they were often being attacked by Muslims who have conquered Jerusalem, Cairo,allepo,and other major middle east cities during the bloody Islamic conquests of the 800AD up to 1000Ad.

The islamists turned these former christian empires into Islam thru force and subjugation.

So news filter to Europe that pilgrims to Jerusalem were usually attacked,and this made pope Urban declare the papa bull by 1097. The papa bull was net with Huge enthusiasm across all western which led to the rise of crusades. There were 5 crusades and in all the 5wars, there' were no victor.

Dogalmighty17:
If we are talking about the crusades, I think it is equally germane to ask. What was the fate of several hundred thousand blacks that the Arabs raided from Africa as slaves? How come there aren't any remnants of black populations in the middle east today?

The crusades were an inevitable response to the mindless bloodletting and wiping out of predominantly Christian communities by ravaging hoards of jihadists.

There almost no blacks in Arabia today because the Arabs castrated the male slaves and gave the female sex slaves contraceptive at intervals to make them sterile

Omotaday:
You made it look like the crusaders were defenders of the jewish people. Do you know about the Rhineland massacre and other massacres of jewish people by the bloodthirsty crusaders?

I see you missed the point completely and I no too stress.

When 2 people have sex it result to pregnancy. Now before those blood thirsty crusaders started killing Jewish you say. What made the crusaders to come into existence, the Byzantine (mostly Christians) were in charge of Jerusalem and it provinces what happened to them when the Muslim armies came and forcefully invaded the land what happened to those people they weren't massacred and killed right because Islam doesn't kill but it the crusaders own you want to talk.

You invade Byzantine territory and then years later crusaders came to take what you forcefully too, now they are the bad people for using the same force, massacring techniques that the Muslim armies once use. BS

FSBoperator:
The crusaders was a covet war between Western Rome Vs the Byzantine Fundamental Christian Empire to the East located in today's Turkey.

The crusaders went to war on the blessings of the Pope to rid Palestine of ancient Eastern Orthodox churches and it's people.

The Muslims were never a factor .

It was a war instigated by the Pope to wrest control of what was then a critical choke point in global land trade between Europe and Asia minor and North Africa.

The earliest churches in Palestine were all built by the Byzantine empire and were of the Eastern Orthodox sect who did not subscribe to the veneration of the virgin Mary and the authority of the Pope in Rome.

The first church is always falsely ascribed to the Roman Catholic church.

This is not true .

The first church is the Eastern Orthodox church that does not subscribe to the Pauline doctrine of celibacy and the heretic teachings of venerating the Madonna aka Virgin Mary which is actually a Roman pagan goddess of fertility. Hence , the woman and a child idol which Catholics bow and worship.

Most don't know that Western Rome headed by the Pope waved a war against the Eastern Byzantium empire for centuries over dominance.

The crusades were ordained by the Pope to deny the Eastern Orthodox church any claims to Palestine.

The first crusaders severely dealt with the majority Orthodox Christians and did not allow them to worship in their churches.

This was the outcome of the first crusade and it was framed as a holy war to rid Palestine of Muslims despite the overwhelming population being Christians who were never under any subjugation or domination by the Muslim minorities.

It was all down to the Catholic church getting complete control of Palestine and evicting all orthodox Christians from the land in other to deny legitimacy of the Orthodox church and to ensure all future pilgrimages (big business back then) was for only Catholics .

It was only after the Muslim conquest that all orthodox churches were restored to the rightful owners.

This was what then led to the so-called second crusade which was now down to ridding Palestine of the Muslims.

You're saying absolutely trash ogbeni.

CRUSADE ....

JIHAD....

OriOko88:
You're saying absolutely trash ogbeni.

I am sure you never heard of the Byzantine Empire which was the first fundamentalist Christian state.

I am sure you never knew that there exists a millinea long feud between the Catholic church and the Eastern Orthodoxy.


I am sure you are not aware that the first crusades were meant to wrestle control of Palestine from the Byzantine empire .

But go ahead and swallow in your ignorance

2026 and the fight is still on ...

Kevineleven:
There by making some extremely violent people peaceful because of fear of divine judgement, promoting peace and love which is necessary , if you are not gullible to religion, you are gullible to the government or some other philosophy.

Law of the land is a better too. It works in non religious countries

Ishilove:
I came across this very interesting post about the Christian crusades that began sometime in the first century AD.

The thing about history is this: it is difficult to come across a completely unbiased narration of events. I'll leave you to judge.

Kindly exit now if you have the attention span of a tweet.

The thing I like most is the quote in bold. I wish that every African know that.

History is written from the viewpoint of the author. Just look at how the author rubbished Europeans as savages.

If you read European account of same story, they'll praise themselves instead.

This brings me to Africa.......

@ all Africans

Everything you've been told by Europeans and Arabs about Africa is a lie! Stop believing that our ancestors were savages. Its not true!

Note that the so called educatioal system we've passed through as Africans is part of our enslavement.

This very language (English) is part of our enslavement. And the more PhD and Nobel laureate you have, the more you're enslaved by it, and protect it.

Their religion (Christianity and Islamm) is part and parcel of our enslavement.

Basically, we're still in slavery but a new type of slavery.

It's because our ancestors were defeated, that's why they've deaden our spirit with fake knowledge to continue to enslave us.

Interestingly, both Europeans and Arabs were later to sort out their issues, then descended on Africa to repeat what you just read from the OP.

Dogalmighty17:
➜If we are talking about the crusades, I think it is equally germane to ask. What was the fate of several hundred thousand blacks that the Arabs raided from Africa as slaves? How come there aren't any remnants of black populations in the middle east today?
➜The crusades were an inevitable response to the mindless bloodletting and wiping out of predominantly Christian communities by ravaging hoards of jihadists.

The answer is simple! According to Islamic accounts, the many of them did not make the journey across the desert, and for those of them who did, the vast majority of the men did not survive the castration process. Also, since the men were mostly used for labor and to fight wars, most died off in time. As for the women and female children who were used as sex slaves, most of their male children were also castrated and discouraged from breeding. That is why over 1400 years later, the middle east a nearly non-existent population of black people, compared to other parts of, say, the West, where slaves were shipped to for almost 400 years.

2. It came late, if you ask me!

Expanse2020:
You people and lies Christianity were killings people forcing everyone to take Christ in Africa as God.. Show us how Christianity enter Africa and let show you how Islam enter Africa...
Let see who killed and killed here

Christianity, prior to Islam, was not forced on any of the Christian nations that existed at the time!

It was only in the 19th century that the Europeans used Christianity to attempt to force their colonies into the civilized era, mostly to help eradicate old barbaric practices such as slavery, human sacrifices, and so on. That, of course, did not go in the way they intended, but compared to where we used to be, I think the world is much better off.

Part of the reason why I have been saying - both Middle East religion (Christianity and Islam) DOES NOT belong to us in Africa. Christianity committed as much atrocities as Islam, the core archaic doctrines trickle down to this century. Hey! Look at Nigeria, Mali, Niger, Burkina Faso etc.

Both religion has always been about control, politics and conquest.

CaseSensitive:
➜Part of the reason why I have been saying - both Middle East religion (Christianity and Islam) DOES NOT belong to us in Africa. Christianity committed as much atrocities as Islam, the core archaic doctrines trickle down to this century.
➜ Hey! Look at Nigeria, Mali, Niger, Burkina Faso etc. Both religion has always been about control, politics and conquest.

There is no proof that Christianity committed as many atrocities as Islam in Africa, none whatsoever. Much of the slave trading, human sacrifice, scalping/skinning cultures that pervaded much of the southern aspects of even western Africa were not committed by Islam or Christianity but by the traditionalists whom you pretend were much better.

Much of what we see in Nigeria, and the other places, is related to Islam, which had those areas in its clutches for over 1000 years prior to the Europeans showing up to at least push some semblance of advancement and meaningful education on the poeple for a brief period.

Ishilove:
I came across this very interesting post about the Christian crusades that began sometime in the first century AD.

The thing about history is this: it is difficult to come across a completely unbiased narration of events. I'll leave you to judge.

Kindly exit now if you have the attention span of a tweet.

Crusaders invaded which Islamic World?
The question should be;
*What were the Muslim doing in those cities you mentioned especially Antioch and Jerusalem?

*How did the Muslims spread from Medina to those places?

It should be noted that non of those cities you mentioned were muslms' communities.
Right from our primary schools in CRK,we were taught that the followers of Christ were first called "Christians" in Antioch.
Meaning that the city of Antioch has already embraced Christianity far back centuries even before Mohammed founded Islam.
Then Jerusalem was already the City of David,the ancestor of Jesus.
So,what were the Muslim that was just founded centuries later doing in those Christian and Jewish cities and how did they got there?
The got to those places by waging war of attrition and annihilation against the Christians there.
They siege on the cities and caused the Christians population to perish in large numbers by the edges of swords.
So,it was pertinent that the Christian communities in western Europe retaliated to reclaim their land.
So,moslems right from the days of their founder, Mohammed,up till this day,spread their Islamic religion through unholy war of jihad.They conquer and massacre every "unbeliever" which are majorly Christians and established their Sharia rule.
Even as just "recent" as 1804,Usman Danfodio massacred indigenous people in the entire Northern, Western Nigeria and forced Islam on them even down to some part of South (Edo) before he was stopped.
He wanted to dip his Quran in our Atlantic Ocean but not for the resistance of our forefathers.
So,muslim didn't have any "World" in those places you mentioned.They were and are still "Invaders".
One day,they will leave those "occupied" places .

Kobojunkie:
There is no proof that Christianity committed as many atrocities as Islam in Africa, none whatsoever. Much of the slave trading, human sacrifice, scalping/skinning cultures that pervaded much of the southern aspects of even western Africa were not committed by Islam or Christianity but by the traditionalists whom you pretend were much better.

Much of what we see in Nigeria, and the other places, is related to Islam, which had those areas in its clutches for over 1000 years prior to the Europeans showing up to at least push some semblance of advancement and meaningful education on the poeple for a brief period.

This is where your argument fell apart sir. I did not say Christianity committed as many atrocities as Islam in Africa. I alluded to the historic doctrines of these religions - Call it crusade and Jihad, respectively, and everything else in-between. I didn't mention the atrocities they committed in Africa specifically but rather, since their inception - whichever X amount of BCE years they dated back to.

Every civilisation on earth, EVERY - has had its fair share of barbarism you mentioned - slave trading, human sacrifice, scalping and what have you. So I'm not "pretending" traditionalists "were much better", I'm not soliciting for them because as you rightly said, they committed these barbaric acts. I am also not trumpeting whataboutism here but so did the Judeans (Judaism/Christian) and the Hejazis (Islam). Uncivilised acts and practices were customary to them and evidently ingrained in their holy books which very much reflected their "civilisation" and way of life. Every religion on earth are deeply intertwined with the environment, social structures, tradition and historical context in which they develop. I will not exalt any foreign religion over my own tradition and way of life.......and that was my argument.

Oh as a matter of fact, saying that most of what we see in Nigeria and other places is related to Islam - is oversimplification. Much of what we see in Nigeria is a complex international network of destabilisation attempts, resource grabs, power struggle, orchestrated through a sect of Islam (actually a sub-sect) because the doctrine supported it. No almajiri terrorist in rural Northern Nigeria can fly military grade drones and other kinetic capabilities in their arsenal, not to even talk of affording one. They are mercenaries supported locally and internationally (It's a global network). So sir, Islam is not the problem. Powerful people/nations and network of globalists want to make you believe that a certain religion is the problem. I personally have no issue with practitioners of Christianity and Islam in Nigeria/Africa (Each to their own) but the hill I'm willing to die on is - Both religion DOES NOT belong to us.

Footnote: Europeans didn't "show up to at least push some semblance of advancement and meaningful education on the poeple" My God! NO!

Guestmale:
In a far future,the story of how Israel was invaded by Hamas, killed more than a thousand and abducted more than two hundred and subsequent retaliation by Israel that led to the killings of thousands of Palestinians, all thanks to Hamas militants using human beings as shield to attack and cover up after attack will be doctored and rewrite to paint Israel as wicked nation by the generation of these terrorists and their sympathizers. But there will always be a Gamaliel who will always state the truth,that I know very well.

It’s a delusional to think one can distort the story of what happened in Gaza/Palestine, a whole generation has woken up to the truth. Israel is the oppressor, the invader and the occupier. Israel is the occupied force in Palestine, therefore Palestinians cannot INVADE its occupying force/oppressor/coloniser, it’s the other way around.

The story didn't start on Oct 7th.

We remember Nakbah (which is still ongoing), we remember Irgun jewish terrorists and everyday oppression of the Palestine people. This hasbara has failed, only nat-cas8s will keep trying