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Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Kobojunkie: 9:24pm On Jun 28
CaseSensitive:
➜ This is where your argument fell apart sir. I did not say Christianity committed as many atrocities as Islam in Africa. I alluded to the historic doctrines of these religions - Call it crusade and Jihad, respectively, and everything else in-between. I didn't mention the atrocities they committed in Africa specifically but rather, since their inception - whichever X amount of BCE years they dated back to.
➜ Every civilisation on earth, EVERY - has had its fair share of barbarism you mentioned - slave trading, human sacrifice, scalping and what have you. So I'm not "pretending" traditionalists "were much better", I'm not soliciting for them because as you rightly said, they committed these barbaric acts. I am also not trumpeting whataboutism here but so did the Judeans (Judaism/Christian) and the Hejazis (Islam). Uncivilised acts and practices were customary to them and evidently ingrained in their holy books which very much reflected their "civilisation" and way of life. Every religion on earth are deeply intertwined with the environment, social structures, tradition and historical context in which they develop. I will not exalt any foreign religion over my own tradition and way of life.......and that was my argument.
➜ Oh as a matter of fact, saying that most of what we see in Nigeria and other places is related to Islam - is oversimplification. Much of what we see in Nigeria is a complex international network of destabilisation attempts, resource grabs, power struggle, orchestrated through a sect of Islam (actually a sub-sect) because the doctrine supported it. No almajiri terrorist in rural Northern Nigeria can fly military grade drones and other kinetic capabilities in their arsenal, not to even talk of affording one. They are mercenaries supported locally and internationally (It's a global network). So sir, Islam is not the problem. Powerful people/nations and network of globalists want to make you believe that a certain religion is the problem. I personally have no issue with practitioners of Christianity and Islam in Nigeria/Africa (Each to their own) but the hill I'm willing to die on is - Both religion DOES NOT belong to us.
➜ Footnote: Europeans didn't "show up to at least push some semblance of advancement and meaningful education on the poeple" My God! NO!
These are your own words.
CaseSensitive:
Christianity committed as much atrocities as Islam, the core archaic doctrines trickle down to this century.
2. Correction, every religion on earth DOES NOT have barbarism ingrained in its scriptures. If you had ever taken the time to read more, you would know this. As for you refusing to acknowledge that your religion is not the best as far as civilization is concerned, that is a personal issue, not for this thread. undecided

3. What we see in Nigeria is not directly linked to any internationally complex hooga-booga as you pretend. We have Islam intentionally pillaging its way through the country, making its intentions known all the way. And then we have people who would rather continue lying to themselves that the international community is obsessed and involved in their existence, altogether. At the same time, they refuse to stand up and fight the scourge right before their very eyes. That is a nation of mostly deluded individuals who have chosen to blind themselves to the invaders in their midst. We see that happening in places like Europe, also. undecided

4. Actually, it did! Under Islamic colonization for over 1000 years, much of Africa was just used as land for the Arabs to mine slaves and labor from. Almost 20 million black Africans were taken away from Africa into Arabia, their DNA vanishing from the earth not long after. African history was pretty much silent throughout much of that period until the white man arrived, pushing back against Islam from the seas. undecided

Eventually, it was also the white man who pushed to end slavery across the world. Unfortunately, parts of Africa have reverted to selling their own to Islam for a pittance. undecided
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by UrVillageChief: 9:44pm On Jun 28
Ewedegubbler:
Why did the crusades happen? Can you Islamists jihadists tell us why?

Same story everytime.

You guys start wars against weak people and when they fight baxk you go Àbout crying and playing victim.
Na you Dey mind the callous thing.
It’s still happening to this day. The cowards would attack you first but when you start paying them back in their own coin, they immediately resort to playing the victim card on you.
The media won’t tell you the number of Israeli soldiers and civilians that have lost their lives in the hands of Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists but they all automatically regain their voices when the victims start pounding them back in retaliation. The supposedly moderate Muslims will rather sit on the fence and won’t condemn or castigate their brothers but should the other parties start retaliating, they start chanting their usual “they are killing babies” anthem. Israeli bomb no Dey ever kill adult, it’s always babies.
It didn’t start today. See how this mischievous thing is here trying to rewrite history to make it seem like the Crusaders were the villains while the Muslims were the victims when in actual fact, the word crusade means to reclaim. Do you RECLAIM that which was never taken from you?
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Guestmale: 9:51pm On Jun 28
Killbill09:
It’s a delusional to think one can distort the story of what happened in Gaza/Palestine, a whole generation has woken up to the truth. Israel is the oppressor, the invader and the occupier. Israel is the occupied force in Palestine, therefore Palestinians cannot INVADE its occupying force/oppressor/coloniser, it’s the other way around.

The story didn't start on Oct 7th.

We remember Nakbah (which is still ongoing), we remember Irgun jewish terrorists and everyday oppression of the Palestine people. This hasbara has failed, only nat-cas8s will keep trying
The October 7, 2023, unprovoked attack led by Hamas which resulted in the deaths of approximately 1,160 to 1,200 people in Israel, two-thirds of whom were civilians will forever be remembered in the history of Israelites.
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Omotaday(m): 9:54pm On Jun 28
CodexiveZee:
I see you missed the point completely and I no too stress.

When 2 people have sex it result to pregnancy. Now before those blood thirsty crusaders started killing Jewish you say. What made the crusaders to come into existence, the Byzantine (mostly Christians) were in charge of Jerusalem and it provinces what happened to them when the Muslim armies came and forcefully invaded the land what happened to those people they weren't massacred and killed right because Islam doesn't kill but it the crusaders own you want to talk.

You invade Byzantine territory and then years later crusaders came to take what you forcefully too, now they are the bad people for using the same force, massacring techniques that the Muslim armies once use. BS
Okay. The muslim invaded, let’s invade too and unalive muslims, jews, pagan etc since this is a “who is more barbaric” competition, and now let’s blame the muslims for all the massacres we did.

Nice logic 👍
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Kobojunkie:
Killbill09:
It’s a delusional to think one can distort the story of what happened in Gaza/Palestine, a whole generation has woken up to the truth. Israel is the oppressor, the invader and the occupier. Israel is the occupied force in Palestine, therefore Palestinians cannot INVADE its occupying force/oppressor/coloniser, it’s the other way around.
The story didn't start on Oct 7th.
We remember Nakbah (which is still ongoing), we remember Irgun jewish terrorists and everyday oppression of the Palestine people. This hasbara has failed, only nat-cas8s will keep trying
It is indeed sad how the world is attempting to rewrite history because of this Palestinian nonsense going on. The Nakba marks the time in 1948, a day after the independence of Israel, when the Arabs who regard themselves as Palestinians fled, by orders given to them by the invading Arab armies of Egypt, Transjordan (Jordan), Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon, who fled Israel with the hope that the armies would obliterate the Jews in their armies so that they could then return to seize the land for themselves. History has it that the Arab armies lost to Israel, so also did the Palestinians who put their hopes in them. undecided

These people were not evicted; they voluntarily left to allow for the obliteration of Israel. Unfortunately, they lost, and now cry that they are perpetual victims. undecided
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by UrVillageChief: 10:10pm On Jun 28
Guestmale:
In a far future,the story of how Israel was invaded by Hamas, killed more than a thousand and abducted more than two hundred and subsequent retaliation by Israel that led to the killings of thousands of Palestinians, all thanks to Hamas militants using human beings as shield to attack and cover up after attack will be doctored and rewrite to paint Israel as wicked nation by the generation of these terrorists and their sympathizers. But there will always be a Gamaliel who will always state the truth,that I know very well.
This is the reason why we must never relent in our effort to tame them. Kudos to the Government of the people's republic of China, Israel, the US and every well-meaning person who has been playing one role or the other to strangle this cancer. Seeing this silly thread, someone who’s not conversant with history would think the crusaders just went crazy for no reason and started killing innocent Muslims and pillaging their lands.
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Axis313(m): 11:06pm On Jun 28
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Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by CaseSensitive(m):
Kobojunkie:
These are your own words.

2. Correction, every religion on earth DOES NOT have barbarism ingrained in its scriptures. If you had ever taken the time to read more, you would know this. As for you refusing to acknowledge that your religion is not the best as far as civilization is concerned, that is a personal issue, not for this thread. undecided

3. What we see in Nigeria is not directly linked to any internationally complex hooga-booga as you pretend. We have Islam intentionally pillaging its way through the country, making its intentions known all the way. And then we have people who would rather continue lying to themselves that the international community is obsessed and involved in their existence, altogether. At the same time, they refuse to stand up and fight the scourge right before their very eyes. That is a nation of mostly deluded individuals who have chosen to blind themselves to the invaders in their midst. We see that happening in places like Europe, also. undecided

4. Actually, it did! Under Islamic colonization for over 1000 years, much of Africa was just used as land for the Arabs to mine slaves and labor from. Almost 20 million black Africans were taken away from Africa into Arabia, their DNA vanishing from the earth not long after. African history was pretty much silent throughout much of that period until the white man arrived, pushing back against Islam from the seas. undecided

Eventually, it was also the white man who pushed to end slavery across the world. Unfortunately, parts of Africa have reverted to selling their own to Islam for a pittance. undecided
If I had ever taken the time to read more? Projection much? I was born into a deeply religious Christian family just like millions of Nigerians, so be assured I read the bible like my entire existence depended on it. I read Deuteronomy Chapter 20 which explicitly command the Israelites to completely destroy the inhabitants of surrounding cities, sparing "nothing that breathes". I read the Book of Joshua which recounts the carrying out of these "herem" or "ban" policies - total destruction of cities, including women, children, and livestock. I read passages in 1 Samuel 15 which depicts "God" commanding the prophet Samuel to destroy the Amalekites down to infants and nursing children. I read Exodus 21 and Leviticus 25 outlining laws regarding indentured servitude, including rules where foreign slaves could be kept as lifelong property or passed to descendants, and specify physical punishments for servants. I read Leviticus 20 which enforces death penalties for a wide array of moral and ritual offenses, including stoning for violating the Sabbath, cursing parents, and various sexual infractions. All these weren't barbarism in your own (Holy) book of course? [s]Only if I had EVER taken time to read more[/s].

"What we're seeing in Nigeria is not directly linked to any internationally complex hooga-booga as you pretend"? Want me to post "The white man"'s Memorandum of Engagement as a prerequisite for their "Strategic Partnership" with Nigeria that explicitly outlined that B0k0 Har@m are their associates and must be reintegrated back into the society? Or you think that's the Nigeria president's domestic policy?

Arabs mined slaves in Africa but it was the benevolent white man who put an end to it? Of course they didn't participate and certainly ended industrial scale slavery of Africans, out of the goodness of their heart. I get the logic - Islam - bad, way of life of my ancestors - bad. Christianity and white man - good. All hail the white man.
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by stuffs2002: 11:41pm On Jun 28
Kobojunkie:
Both sides? Islam violently colonized Christian nations, and that colonization continues to this very day, with half of Africa still under the scourge and enslavement of Islam. Over 40 million people worldwide live as slaves, and the vast majority of them are Africans enslaved in Islamic countries. undecided

2. They do write of it. Much of what is known of the Crusades comes from Islamic sources. They wrote of how the Islamic Allah gave Islam victory over the Christians and the acts they committed against Christians, Jews, and Pagans in the name of Allah. The problem is that in this day of the internet, there has been a campaign to whitewash Islam to make it seem an oppressed political system. But the authentic and revered sources in Islam contain the records to prove Islam for what it really is, a religion spread mostly by violence and subjugation.
What a very weak and lame attempt to lie and justify the evil committed by your blood thirsty crusaders
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by stuffs2002: 11:44pm On Jun 28
Dogalmighty17:
If we are talking about the crusades, I think it is equally germane to ask. What was the fate of several hundred thousand blacks that the Arabs raided from Africa as slaves? How come there aren't any remnants of black populations in the middle east today?

The crusades were an inevitable response to the mindless bloodletting and wiping out of predominantly Christian communities by ravaging hoards of jihadists.
Where is your proof of any Islamic blood lettings in Africa
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by chiefdiye(m): 11:44pm On Jun 28
Jerusalem has been Holy land, later taken forcefully by Islam, Before Islam spread across North Africa in the 7th century, the regions that are now Libya, Tunisia, many parts of north Africa and Morocco had large Christian populations for several centuries.
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Kobojunkie: 11:47pm On Jun 28
CaseSensitive:
➜If I had taken the time to read more? Projection much? I was born into a deeply religious Christian family just like millions of Nigerians, so be assured I read the bible like my entire existence depended on it.
I read Deuteronomy Chapter 20 which explicitly command the Israelites to completely destroy the inhabitants of surrounding cities, sparing "nothing that breathes". I read the Book of Joshua which recounts the carrying out of these "herem" or "ban" policies - total destruction of cities, including women, children, and livestock. I read passages in 1 Samuel 15 which depicts "God" commanding the prophet Samuel to destroy the Amalekites down to infants and nursing children. I read Exodus 21 and Leviticus 25 outlining laws regarding indentured servitude, including rules where foreign slaves could be kept as lifelong property or passed to descendants, and specify physical punishments for servants. I read Leviticus 20 which enforces death penalties for a wide array of moral and ritual offenses, including stoning for violating the Sabbath, cursing parents, and various sexual infractions. All these weren't barbarism in your own (Holy) book of course? Only if I had taken time to read more.
➜ "What we're seeing in Nigeria is not directly linked to any internationally complex hooga-booga as you pretend"? Want me to post "The white man"'s Memorandum of Engagement as a prerequisite for their "Strategic Partnership" with Nigeria that explicitly outlined that B0k0 Har@m are their associates and must be reintegrated back into the society? Or you think that's the Nigeria president's domestic policy?
➜ Arabs mined slaves in Africa but it was the benevolent white man who put an end to it?
➜ Of course they didn't participate and certainly ended industrial scale slavery of Africans, out of the goodness of their heart.
➜ I get the logic - Islam - bad, way of life of my ancestors - bad. Christianity and white man - good. All hail the white man.
1. Saying you were born into a Christian/Islamic/religious home typically means absolutely nothing as I have found from my own reading that the people most ignorant about the content of their claimed religious books and beliefs are usually those born into the religion and those who source their ideas from those who claim to be scholars in such religions. undecided

2. If you read the books as you claimed, you would also have noted that those books constitute the Constitutional Law of the nation of Israel, constituted of the people of Israel in the land of Israel, a nation with clear borders. It was a nation of humans, run by humans, and that which is referred to as the Old Testament is literally the history of the people, their nation, their battles, outcomes, etc.

And like all other nations of the time and even today, they had a functional army whose role was to defend the nation and destroy its enemies, among other things. Their constitution is pretty much similar to the constitutions of other nations. It would be stewpid of anyone to expect that a nation would not do that in the least. undecided

3. I see I aptly describe your kind there. Your kind is the reason why that country is, as we speak, already a failed state. undecided

4. For over 1100 years, the Arab world mined the African nations for slaves. The Almajiri system of raising kids in the North is a relic from that time. I believe it was designed to ensure that all children born in Northern Nigeria were disconnected from their parents from a young age, brainwashed into Islam from that point, and eventually shipped off, mostly as subservient slaves to be used in the progress of Islam. Such slaves rarely revolted against their Islamic masters; in the same way, they rarely revolt against any calls from their Islamic Imams today. undecided

And yes, it was the Europeans and Americans who fought against Slavery. Not a single African or Arab ever fought to eliminate Slavery. As we speak, Slavery has made a huge comeback both in the Islamic world and Africa, with over 40 million people caught up in it. undecided

5. Well, you may think that, but the facts remain that they ended slavery on masse; you and I are free today because of the Europeans and Americans' efforts to end Slavery. Many Africans today are not so lucky as they have already been enslaved, some sold by their African brothers/sisters to the Islamics. undecided

6. Your logic is unsound! Instead, as of the junction we find ourselves in this day and time, Western Civilization has been much friendlier to Africans than Islam and our old traditional ways have been. Islam literally wants everyone who does not accept it to be subjugated or killed. That political ideology does not even work for the Islamic nations whose people flee their own homeland by the millions. undecided

Now, if the condition in, say, Nigeria changes at a later date due to circumstances, and we need to resort to barbaric means to maybe defend ourselves, then maybe we can consider bringing back traditional African ways then. undecided
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Kobojunkie: 11:48pm On Jun 28
stuffs2002:
➜Where is your proof of any Islamic blood lettings in Africa
. Islamic literature details much of it. It is not hidden that the last 1400 years of Islam in Africa are recorded as victories for Islam. undecided
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Kobojunkie: 11:50pm On Jun 28
stuffs2002:
➜What a very weak and lame attempt to lie and justify the evil committed by your blood thirsty crusaders
LOL... It's OK for Islamics to be called blood vampires, but not OK for Christians to retaliate with the same or even worse fore? I get it! Islam and Victimhood are the same. undecided
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by CaseSensitive(m): 11:56pm On Jun 28
Kobojunkie:
1. Saying you were born into a Christian/Islamic/religious home typically means absolutely nothing as I have found from my own reading that the people most ignorant about the content of their claimed religious books and beliefs are usually those born into the religion and those who source their ideas from those who claim to be scholars in such religions. undecided

2. If you read the books as you claimed, you would also have noted that those books constitute the Constitutional Law of the nation of Israel, constituted of the people of Israel in the land of Israel, a nation with clear borders. And like all other nations of the time and even today, they had a functional army whose role was to defend the nation and destroy its enemies, among other things. It would be stewpid of anyone to expect that a nation would not do that in the least. undecided

3. I see I aptly describe your kind there. Your kind is the reason why that country is, as we speak, already a failed state. undecided

4. For over 1100 years, the Arab world mined the African nations for slaves. The Almajiri system of raising kids in the North is a relic from that time. I believe it was designed to ensure that all children born in Northern Nigeria were disconnected from their parents from a young age, brainwashed into Islam from that point, and eventually shipped off, mostly as subservient slaves to be used in the progress of Islam. Such slaves rarely revolted against their Islamic masters; in the same way, they rarely revolt against any calls from their Islamic Imams today. undecided

And yes, it was the Europeans and Americans who fought against Slavery. Not a single African or Arab ever fought to eliminate Slavery. As we speak, Slavery has made a huge comeback both in the Islamic world and Africa, with over 40 million people caught up in it. undecided

5. Well, you may think that, but the facts remain that they ended slavery on masse; you and I are free today because of the Europeans and Americans' efforts to end Slavery. Many Africans today are not so lucky as they have already been enslaved, some sold by their African brothers/sisters to the Islamics. undecided

6. Your logic is unsound! Instead, as of the junction we find ourselves in this day and time, Western Civilization has been much friendlier to Africans than Islam and our old traditional ways have been. Islam literally wants everyone who does not accept it to be subjugated or killed. That political ideology does not even work for the Islamic nations whose people flee their own homeland by the millions. undecided

Now, if the condition in, say, Nigeria changes at a later date due to circumstances, and we need to resort to barbaric means to maybe defend ourselves, then maybe we can consider bringing back traditional African ways then. undecided
Yeah of course. Guess I need to read more to appreciate the Europeans and Americans for my existence. Arab world would have enslaved my entire lineage and perhaps the entire black race. The Arabs undoubtedly enslaved Africans under inhumane and barbaric conditions and scattered them across the Americas too. Maybe that didn't happen, I may be imagining it. I just may need to start licking the back$ide of the white man to appreciate this act of kindness. No wonder God is a white man.

Oh and of course I need to read more. Great lecture - thanks.
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by KingOfAmebo(m): 11:58pm On Jun 28
Ishilove:
I came across this very interesting post about the Christian crusades that began sometime in the first century AD.

The thing about history is this: it is difficult to come across a completely unbiased narration of events. I'll leave you to judge.

Kindly exit now if you have the attention span of a tweet.
The fact that you chose a "SUNDAY" of all days of the week (not even a "FRIDAY" ) to talk about an alleged Christian violence against the Muslims shows your interior motive.

Shame on you.
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Brendaniel: 12:09am On Jun 29
[quote author=Ishilove post=139855651][/quote]Apologies for the earlier remarks I made about you, I just got really provoked with your topic and comment... the message could have still been passed without the insults 🙏
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Kobojunkie: 12:23am On Jun 29
Brendaniel:
➜ So what exactly is your point and what are you driving at? Is it to justify the killings of Christians going on by the Muslims? Ok, the 2 committed crimes against each other in the past, one is still committing crimes till date against one, so what are you trying to justify?...
1. There was no such thing as committing crimes against each other in the past. The crusades were fought by the Christians to possibly liberate and push back the scourge that is Islam, which had ravaged much of the Christian world by this point in time. undecided

What is happening even today in Africa is a continuation of Islamic Jihad(colonization and enslavement) that began over 1400 years ago, and never really stopped. Suggesting that crimes are committed when a people or group fights back is suggesting that the Islamic Jihad is justified. undecided
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Kobojunkie: 12:32am On Jun 29
CaseSensitive:
➜ Yeah of course. Guess I need to read more to appreciate the Europeans and Americans for my existence.
➜ Arab world would have enslaved my entire lineage and perhaps the entire black race. The Arabs undoubtedly enslaved Africans under inhumane and barbaric conditions and scattered them across the Americas too.
➜ Maybe that didn't happen, I may be imagining it. I just may need to start licking the back$ide of the white man to appreciate this act of kindness.
➜ No wonder God is a white man.
➜ Oh and of course I need to read more. Great lecture - thanks.
1. We, in Africa, literally had next to no recorded history until the Europeans showed up. That is to reveal that rather than as a benefit, Islam, which colonized much of the land for over 1400, did nothing to improve the lives and economies of the poeple. This despite harvesting almost 20 million of our black ancestors for their Islamic wars, plantations, etc. That should infuriate any African out there. undecided

2. Most of the male slaves taken by the Arabs were castrated. And about 80% of them died as a result of their wounds. This is recorded in Islamic records. I am not sure of what you mean by, "...scattered them across the Americas too." undecided

3. You can literally investigate and read these things for yourself from mostly Arab sources about slavery. undecided

4. You mean the gods that your traditional ancestors worshipped across Africa were all white men? You sure you are OK? undecided

5. Only a "black" man will take offense to being told he needs to read more to educate himself on a topic that he has made it very obvious that clueless about. undecided
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by CaseSensitive(m): 12:36am On Jun 29
Kobojunkie:
1. We, in Africa, literally had next to no recorded history until the Europeans showed up. That is to reveal that rather than as a benefit, Islam, which colonized much of the land for over 1400, did nothing to improve the lives and economies of the poeple. This despite harvesting almost 20 million of our black ancestors for their Islamic wars, plantations, etc. That should infuriate any African out there. undecided

2. Most of the male slaves taken by the Arabs were castrated. And about 80% of them died as a result of their wounds. This is recorded in Islamic records. I am not sure of what you mean by, "...scattered them across the Americas too." undecided

3. You can literally investigate and read these things for yourself from mostly Arab sources about slavery. undecided

4. You mean the gods that your traditional ancestors worshipped across Africa were all white men? You sure you are OK? undecided

5. Only a "black" man will take offense to being told he needs to read more to educate himself on a topic that he has made it very obvious that clueless about. undecided
Undoubtedly flew miles over your head, that's why you're doubting if you're Ok but hey - I thanked you for a great lecture. I learned a lot. Again, thank you.

Let's bugger off now shall we?
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by AhmeduandOkopi: 1:14am On Jun 29
The Hungarians and the Bulgarian Bulgars would not forget in a hurry what they went through at the hands of the ottoman Turks, who made inroads militarily into central and southern Europe. Butchering, impaling (Vlad the impaler was raised in ottoman territory and learnt the trade well ) boiling and, generally killing everything they encountered. The republic of Venice, the Russian empire, the Polish- Lithuanian commonwealth and the Habsburgs of Austria and Spain bore the wrath of the Turks, Hungary most particularly. They, also united and formed coalitions to repel and expel them from Europe, particularly the polish king, John Sobieski of the polish Lithuanian commonwealth and other coalitions such as the Russian empire.
These events played out over a 600 year period, centuries after the crusades.
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Difrent: 3:03am On Jun 29
sweetjohn:
Nonesense post. The crusade was formed as a reesult of the Muslim Ottoman Empire that were killing millions of Christians and jews in Europe and around the world. The European Christians then formed the crusade to teach Muslims a lesson and defend Christianity from extinction[s][/s]
Ironically the same European Christians that "saved" Jews from Muslims would centuries later be the ones that persecuted the Jews to the extent they decided to move back to their homeland in Palestine
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Difrent: 3:07am On Jun 29
Kobojunkie:
These are your own words.

2. Correction, every religion on earth DOES NOT have barbarism ingrained in its scriptures. If you had ever taken the time to read more, you would know this. As for you refusing to acknowledge that your religion is not the best as far as civilization is concerned, that is a personal issue, not for this thread. undecided
Funny
But you Christians don't also like acknowledging the attrocities of early Christianity that was very bloody
Last last both religions have blood on their hands and till this day continues to do blood sacrifices at least twice a year during Easter/ Ramadan
And Sallah/Christmas
Abi what else do you call the killing of millions of animals on these occasions if not animal sacrifices
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Difrent: 3:12am On Jun 29
Kobojunkie:
Eventually, it was also the white man who pushed to end slavery across the world.
Christianity played a role too cos it actually made them realise the evil of slavery and they decided to end it unlike in islamic culture where slavery still continues till date
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Kobojunkie: 3:14am On Jun 29
Difrent:
➜Funny But you Christians don't also like acknowledging the attrocities of early Christianity that was very bloody
➜ Last last both religions have blood on their hands and till this day continues to do blood sacrifices at least twice a year during Easter/ Ramadan And Sallah/Christmas
➜ Abi what else do you call the killing of millions of animals on these occasions if not animal sacrifices
1. First, I am not a Christian; I am instead irreligious. However, I accept the place of religion as the foundation of every nation out there. Second, these supposed atrocities of early Christians, you pretend, are all imagined. Why? Because the Spanish Inquisition, which, my guess is, you are referring to, was against the Jews in Spain, it occurred around the 1400s, almost 700 years after Islam had continuously and brutally massacred its way across Europe, Asia, and Africa. undecided

2. Wrong! undecided

3. How does killing animals for food amount to something comparable to human sacrifices and massacres? undecided
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Kobojunkie: 3:15am On Jun 29
Difrent:
➜Christianity played a role too cos it actually made them realise the evil of slavery and they decided to end it unlike in islamic culture where slavery still continues till date
Yes, Western Civilization has its foundation in the Christian moral framework. undecided
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Difrent: 3:24am On Jun 29
Kobojunkie:
1. First, I am not a Christian; I am instead irreligious. However, I accept the place of religion as the foundation of every nation out there. Second, these supposed atrocities of early Christians, you pretend, are all imagined. Why? Because the Spanish Inquisition, which, my guess is, you are referring to, was against the Jews in Spain, it occurred around the 1400s, almost 700 years after Islam had continuously and brutally massacred its way across Europe, Asia, and Africa. undecided

2. Wrong! undecided

3. How does killing animals for food amount to something comparable to human sacrifices and massacres? undecided
Your no 3 did not begin as source of food but as a gesture to replace Isaac who was to be sacrificed by his father to God, y'all simply replaced the son with animals
Like Atheists say, Which God demands his sons sacrifice before he could forgive sins? The Christian God of course
If Christians really think their religion through most will leave it as seen all over the developed world
It just doesn't make sense
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Kobojunkie: 3:28am On Jun 29
Difrent:
➜Your no 3 did not begin as source of food but as a gesture to replace Isaac who was to be sacrificed by his father to God, y'all simply replaced the son with animals
➜ Like Atheists say, Which God demands his sons sacrifice before he could forgive sins? The Christian God of course If Christians really think their religion through most will leave it as seen all over the developed world
It just doesn't make sense
1. You are still not making any sense here. If you were referencing, maybe, the religion of Islam, I would maybe grant you this one. undecided

2. So, a Christian eating store-bought chicken or meat during easter is tantamount to killing the son of this god as a sacrifice? Even the Jewish folks who celebrate Passover around the same period as the Christians do not do so because of some god or sons. So... I really don't know why you feel you need to force this one. undecided

Are you merely attention wh0ring or something? undecided
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Difrent: 3:37am On Jun 29
Kobojunkie:
1. You are still not making any sense here. If you were referencing, maybe, the religion of Islam, I would maybe grant you this one. undecided

2. So, a Christian eating store-bought chicken or meat during easter is tantamount to killing the son of this god as a sacrifice? Even the Jewish folks who celebrate Passover around the same period as the Christians do not do so because of some god or sons. So... I really don't know why you feel you need to force this one. undecided

Are you merely attention wh0ring or something? undecided
Lolz
You know what I'm talking about
So because it's store bought, is the chicken not do celebrate Christmas?
Except you want tell me that the chicken was not killed,
It's blood sacrifices you do on Christmas and Easter
Re: The Dark Side Of The Crusades: Massacres, Cannibalism, And The Fall Of Jerusalem by Kobojunkie: 3:58am On Jun 29
Difrent:
➜Lolz You know what I'm talking about
➜ So because it's store bought, is the chicken not do celebrate Christmas? Except you want tell me that the chicken was not killed, It's blood sacrifices you do on Christmas and Easter
I am not a mind reader... I don't know what you mean at all. undecided

2. You said the meat eaten during those festivities is synonymous with a human sacrificed? Chicken is killed and eaten every day across the world. However, your claim thus far is that the same chickens become synonymous with human sacrifice when purchased for the purpose of celebrating Easter by Christians. Make that make sense to me! undecided
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