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The hypocrisy around this whole hijab thing is nauseating honestly. I wish the North fights illiteracy, poverty, uncontrolled birth rates and extremism like they do with matters like this.

Have lived in the North for a very long time and served there - hijab doesn’t stop promiscuity. I have also lived in majority moslem country like Malaysia; the hijab worn here are rather beautiful and no extremism attached to that. Parents (including expats) take their wards to schools that align with their beliefs.

If you attended Catholic schools, you’ll need to join in the many prayers sessions and so on because that’s what they are - Catholic schools. As a Catholic, I enrolled in program organized by a Pentecostal church - I attended the monthly church services required as part of the curriculum otherwise I wouldn’t graduate. So it’s not difficult - simply take your wards to schools that align with your beliefs. If a Christian decides to take his/her child to an Islamic school, then the child has to be ready to wear the uniform including hijab.

I read comments like: “it’s their choice…”. The truth is that it’s rather the choice of their parents and others behind them, not their choice. A lot of them ‘envy’ the ‘freedom and fresh air’ enjoyed by their peers who don’t wear this extra garment, but there are unimaginable consequences if they try otherwise.

Good judgement!

Why will it not be so when the school's authority refused to expelle the student?

spencekat:
The Muslim judges at Supreme Court will oppose the Court of appeal judgement. Too bad!I can't understand why the Muslims want to force their religious kits on private establishments.

spencekat:
The Muslim judges at Supreme Court will oppose the Court of appeal judgement. Too bad!I can't understand why the Muslims want to force their religious kits on private establishments.

So how does the Hijab affect the school or non-Muslims?

The school should include a caveat in their adverts and school book "This school is not for Hijab wearing Muslims". Then the case will be settled!

Do saner climes care about all these?

If that is the case, traditionalist can wear juju uniform or hunter clothes and white garment church can wear sutana to school

No one is forcing anyone to put on anything. The argument is whether those that choose to use it on themselves are permitted to use it or not.

And the hijab is actually not affecting anyone including yourself. It’s not biting you. If it’s bad then those wearing it will be the one suffering from it. Not you. So all this noise about covering one’s head or not is unnecessary.

The rational behind the judgement is that private institutions can make their own rules. There is nothing emotional there. Don’t give yourself BP because of your phobia[/quote]

Pacesetter123:
It is not from supreme Court,it is from Court of Appeal.

Corrected.

GreenCovering:
No institution, school or system has the right to set rules in violation of a fundamental provision of the constitution which allows for freedom of religion.

Hijab wearing has nothing to do with extremism. As much as muslims try to separate extremists from Islam as not part of us, muslims also should not be hurt where the constitution already protected them. Non muslims always using institutions to undermine Islam and later on wondering where the radicalisation is coming from.

Will it be allowed if a christian catholic child attending a muslim school come to school wearing crosses chain or with his rossary or the girl from celestial church decides to come in their head covering (covering na covering)? won't MURIC say such student should be beheaded immediately?



Thank you for your attention to this matter

Deeeepandholy:
No one is forcing anyone to put on anything. The argument is whether those that choose to use it on themselves are permitted to use it or not.

And the hijab is actually not affecting anyone including yourself. It’s not biting you. If it’s bad then those wearing it will be the one suffering from it. Not you. So all this noise about covering one’s head or not is unnecessary.

The rational behind the judgement is that private institutions can make their own rules. There is nothing emotional there. Don’t give yourself BP because of your phobia

Good.

Private institutions should be allowed to make their own rules.

Hijab is not part of the uniform design of UI International school. QED

WatchYourSix:
I dont have ignorance of Islam…. U pple are largely intolerant…
when u are few u pretend u are peaceful to infiltrate the community and govt…. Once u grow in numbers u start forcing ur laws , eliminating resident laws so u can impose ur shariah….


The idea of uniforms in schools are simple .. it is to create uniformity among student.. if u cant abide, go and create ur school and wear wateva u like

…. But yall want to create religious segregation among students …..go to many northern states … shariah police will arrest a woman for not using hijab in some public space…. U are now here spewing lies….
Na be me u go manipulate with your taqqiya… i know about all those deceptions your Allah and prophet permit You to use on your fellow human you have tagged as infidels because they are not islamists

You and I are having a conversation over a faceless forum like Nairaland and you are saying that I am using taqiyya, which clearly shows that you don't know what the concept is about. You people make up stories among yourselves and begin to project your lies as the meaning of an Islamic concept. Someone said so, then another person copies him and you all begin to use them as statements of facts. So much delusion and misconceptions you hold about Islam.

For your information, the religion that supports and encourages deception/misleading people as a principle that I know of is christianity. I don't know if you are a christian, but if so, go and look it up.

GreenCovering:
You and I are having a conversation over a faceless forum like Nairaland and you are saying that I am using taqiyya, which clearly shows that you don't know what the concept is about. You people make up stories among yourselves and begin to project your lies as the meaning of an Islamic concept. Someone said so, then another person copies him and you all begin to use them as statements of facts. So much delusion and misconceptions you hold about Islam.

For your information, the religion that supports and encourages deception/misleading people as a principle that I know of is christianity. I don't know if you are a christian, but if so, go and look it up.

As usual ….you had to lie at other faith to claim your religion is good….u cant refute the evidence against you without lying ….. its the same way u pple need to lie christaina bible is corrupted just to validiate your own book….

The evidence is clear against ur religion right from the start…: ur founder deceived pple that he came with religion he lied and angel gave him, pretended and started killing then took over M€cca, forced Islam on them, and forced jizyah on those he tagged as infidels …
And you are here telling me lies that u are tolerant … thats the same blue print all over europe

They simply do not want any one smuggling one an IED with it

Deeeepandholy:
No one is forcing anyone to put on anything. The argument is whether those that choose to use it on themselves are permitted to use it or not.

And the hijab is actually not affecting anyone including yourself. It’s not biting you. If it’s bad then those wearing it will be the one suffering from it. Not you. So all this noise about covering one’s head or not is unnecessary.

The rational behind the judgement is that private institutions can make their own rules. There is nothing emotional there. Don’t give yourself BP because of your phobia

Musty112:
Try to exercise reasoning. The Supreme Court judgement is there already and that is why I said the contention is whether or not the school is a public school. Besides, like I asked earlier, how does a piece of clothing affect adorned by another to cover what they deem sacred them affect your life! The Hijab is an everyday attire for Muslim woman. Not to a function, not only on fridays or any other day. It is an everyday attire.

"Exercising Reasoning" is you counting your cost before embarking on a journey. You should have done your analysis on the pros and cons of a situation before delving into it. If you are too concern with putting on an "out of uniform" attire, then you find the environment that can accommodate your lifestyle. There are several islamic schools in Ibadan, Nigeria or even Afghanistan that will welcome an adherent, and still ensure the fellow makes it big in life. We don't have to create chaos where hitherto, peace abound. People should stop being troublesome.

tundeblack:
The rate at which some Islamic extremist fight wrongly. It's not a must to attend ISI, many Muslim schools are in ibadan if u like wear purdah. It's becoming annoying

They just love creating avenue for chaos.

bong4:
"Exercising Reasoning" is you counting your cost before embarking on a journey. You should have done your analysis on the pros and cons of a situation before delving into it. If you are too concern with putting on an "out of uniform" attire, then you find the environment that can accommodate your lifestyle. There are several islamic schools in Ibadan, Nigeria or even Afghanistan that will welcome an adherent, and still ensure the fellow makes it big in life. We don't have to create chaos where hitherto, peace abound. People should stop being troublesome.

Again, I invite you to exercise reasoning. Check my original comment where I mentioned that the contention is whether or not the school is a private or public school. The decision of the Supreme Court will shed light and hence why I stated what I stated. If the court decides that the school is a public school, then whether you like it or not, student will adorn their hijabs and cover their modesty. If otherwise, the school by implication will find another name not in any way attached to a public university. My question still remain though, for all the shout that you are tolerant and "Muslims are not", how does a piece of clothing over the head adorned by girls affect your life?

spencekat:
Tarr! , find another thing talk. If it were the other way round, would you have said this?

For now, it is not the other way round whatever you mean by that. So, let's address the Nigerian Christians religion intolerance towards a piece of cloth covering the head of Muslim girls

The school was founded by Europeans, initially to serve the children of the institution’s staff before it was later opened to the public.

It has always accommodated students from different religious backgrounds. Both Christian Religious Studies and Islamic/Arabic Studies are taught, and Muslim students—especially boarders—are allowed to attend the mosque every Friday for Jumu’ah prayers. Over the years, the school has also had both Muslim and Christian principals and staff members.

I know this because I attended the school.

The current issue appears to be driven by a few parents who are creating unnecessary controversy. If a school’s established uniform policy does not include the hijab, there are appropriate channels to seek a change. If you specifically want your child to attend a school where the hijab is already part of the approved uniform, there are schools that allow it.

And OP, please get the name right. It’s The International School, Ibadan.

If parties involved had applied common sense, there wouldn't have been any need to go to court in the first place... What is a uniform? If you can answer this question then you have the answer as to why the Court of Appeal upheld the hijab ban. Anything that is not part of the uniform of any institution is simply an addition and the institution reserves the right to say "No" to the addition.

Deeeepandholy:
No one is forcing anyone to put on anything. The argument is whether those that choose to use it on themselves are permitted to use it or not.

And the hijab is actually not affecting anyone including yourself. It’s not biting you. If it’s bad then those wearing it will be the one suffering from it. Not you. So all this noise about covering one’s head or not is unnecessary.

The rational behind the judgement is that private institutions can make their own rules. There is nothing emotional there. Don’t give yourself BP because of your phobia

Are there no school where students are allowed to wear hijab? What stopped them from going to those school?
Why are they always looking for trouble? They want to force their dress code on the school?
Bandits and bk boy are doing their own in the bush and town, these ones are doing their own in the school.

Musty112:
Again, I invite you to exercise reasoning. Check my original comment where I mentioned that the contention is whether or not the school is a private or public school. The decision of the Supreme Court will shed light and hence why I stated what I stated. If the court decides that the school is a public school, then whether you like it or not, student will adorn their hijabs and cover their modesty. If otherwise, the school by implication will find another name not in any way attached to a public university. My question still remain though, for all the shout that you are tolerant and "Muslims are not", how does a piece of clothing over the head adorned by girls affect your life?

Vintage men! Always making the rules for the women and never effecting any for themselves. Why not form your school and force your "modesty" down their throat.

bong4:
Vintage men! Always making the rules for the women and never effecting any for themselves. Why not form your school and force your "modesty" down their throat.

So abeg which of those women have come to complain to you? Who dy beg you to form freedom fighter for them? It is even the stupid assumption on your part that women can't think for themselves. As long as it is public school, we all own the country, you cannot hate your way into forcing "immodesty" down the throat of everyone.

Lexicon123:
The hypocrisy around this whole hijab thing is nauseating honestly. I wish the North fights illiteracy, poverty, uncontrolled birth rates and extremism like they do with matters like this.

Have lived in the North for a very long time and served there - hijab doesn’t stop promiscuity. I have also lived in majority moslem country like Malaysia; the hijab worn here are rather beautiful and no extremism attached to that. Parents (including expats) take their wards to schools that align with their beliefs.

If you attended Catholic schools, you’ll need to join in the many prayers sessions and so on because that’s what they are - Catholic schools. As a Catholic, I enrolled in program organized by a Pentecostal church - I attended the monthly church services required as part of the curriculum otherwise I wouldn’t graduate. So it’s not difficult - simply take your wards to schools that align with your beliefs. If a Christian decides to take his/her child to an Islamic school, then the child has to be ready to wear the uniform including hijab.

I read comments like: “it’s their choice…”. The truth is that it’s rather the choice of their parents and others behind them, not their choice. A lot of them ‘envy’ the ‘freedom and fresh air’ enjoyed by their peers who don’t wear this extra garment, but there are unimaginable consequences if they try otherwise.

Good judgement!

Afi hypocrisy nitooto
Firstly, the you restricted the identity of being a Muslim to the North maybe to reassure yourself that no one of your tribe or your geography falls within your bias. The school in question is in the southwest, in the campus of University of Ibadan therefore your "wish that the "NORTH" fights illiteracy, poverty, uncontrolled birth rates and extremism like they do with matters like this" does not follow. Those fighting for the constitutionally guaranteed rights are south western Muslims. Besides, indidual regions and Nigeria as a whole have attendants problems and fighting for a right does not incapacitate the region from attending to its problems.

Secondly, your claim that hijab does not stop promiscuity does cannot hold water because in the first instance, the claim is a sweeping generalization and it is just like arguing that every woman who does not cover her head is promoting promiscuity! Imagine how stupid that sounds. The hijab Muslims wear is not to impress you to have a particular notion about them. It is about their Lord and believes.

Further, you are not the only one to have lived in Malaysia. How does the hijab worn by children to school in Nigeria attach to extremism in a way that same worn to school by children in Malaysia does not? How is the hijab worn in Malaysia beautiful than the one in Nigeria? There are two problems here. One, your subservient mentality where you feel people of other skin color are above you and therefore you can (must) easily water down your hatred in a way that whatever they do easily appears beautiful to you. Parents as you takes their wards to public schools in Malaysia where children of differing background and faiths meet without anyone complaining of the choice of hijab! I bet you will even send your children to such school in Malaysia without battling an eyelid!

If you are attending a faith based school or private school, no one will contest with you but in a public school, we are all of this country and no one will be bullied from exercising their constitutionally guaranteed right!

Muslims in Nigeria have had to put up with a lot of things and yet are still the one being labeled intolerant. As a child on secondary school, I was theatrically forced to accept a small Bible on the assembly ground despite that the private school is majority Muslim. Imagine your Christian child bring a quran home from school! Can you imagine the hell that will raise. We are the one that will have to tolerate your ranting in the public bus all in the name of prayer and preaching and all.

Stop the Hatred! A piece of clothing over the head of a child does not affect your life. Or are you that perverted to crave the hair on the head of a child so much?

Stop being an hypocrite!

Musty112:
Afi hypocrisy nitooto
Firstly, the you restricted the identity of being a Muslim to the North maybe to reassure yourself that no one of your tribe or your geography falls within your bias. The school in question is in the southwest, in the campus of University of Ibadan therefore your "wish that the "NORTH" fights illiteracy, poverty, uncontrolled birth rates and extremism like they do with matters like this" does not follow. Those fighting for the constitutionally guaranteed rights are south western Muslims. Besides, indidual regions and Nigeria as a whole have attendants problems and fighting for a right does not incapacitate the region from attending to its problems.

Secondly, your claim that hijab does not stop promiscuity does cannot hold water because in the first instance, the claim is a sweeping generalization and it is just like arguing that every woman who does not cover her head is promoting promiscuity! Imagine how stupid that sounds. The hijab Muslims wear is not to impress you to have a particular notion about them. It is about their Lord and believes.

Further, you are not the only one to have lived in Malaysia. How does the hijab worn by children to school in Nigeria attach to extremism in a way that same worn to school by children in Malaysia does not? How is the hijab worn in Malaysia beautiful than the one in Nigeria? There are two problems here. One, your subservient mentality where you feel people of other skin color are above you and therefore you can (must) easily water down your hatred in a way that whatever they do easily appears beautiful to you. Parents as you takes their wards to public schools in Malaysia where children of differing background and faiths meet without anyone complaining of the choice of hijab! I bet you will even send your children to such school in Malaysia without battling an eyelid!

If you are attending a faith based school or private school, no one will contest with you but in a public school, we are all of this country and no one will be bullied from exercising their constitutionally guaranteed right!

Muslims in Nigeria have had to put up with a lot of things and yet are still the one being labeled intolerant. As a child on secondary school, I was theatrically forced to accept a small Bible on the assembly ground despite that the private school is majority Muslim. Imagine your Christian child bring a quran home from school! Can you imagine the hell that will raise. We are the one that will have to tolerate your ranting in the public bus all in the name of prayer and preaching and all.

Stop the Hatred! A piece of clothing over the head of a child does not affect your life. Or are you that perverted to crave the hair on the head of a child so much?

Stop being an hypocrite!

My point still remains: we should direct this energy towards fighting extreme indoctrination, poverty, illiteracy, fighting corruption, etc whether in or outside the north. The world is focused on technically advancements and the future. So please let’s focus on more important things.

Parachoko:
UI didn't create the school

It was established by Christians from Europe

And it is being run by whose money ?