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So you mean to tell me that our actions are void of consequences as long as we believed before. It doesn't matter if we disbelieve now, it doesn't matter if we sin, kill, r*pe, abuse minors, destroy properties, molest, blaspheme, murder believers, try to destroy Christianity, fornicate, do witchcraft and any other sin imaginable; as long as we've believed before there's no consequence for us doing those things? Understood.

ValeeLove:
So you mean to tell me that our actions are void of consequences as long as we believed before. It doesn't matter if we disbelieve now, it doesn't matter if we sin, kill, r*pe, abuse minors, destroy properties, molest, blaspheme, murder believers, try to destroy Christianity, fornicate, do witchcraft and any other sin imaginable; as long as we've believed before there's no consequence for us doing those things? Understood.

Christianity don suffer for Una hand…. Nobody said these things u posted…..: if any preacher said it…. Post the video evidence let’s drag him……

ValeeLove:
So you mean to tell me that our actions are void of consequences as long as we believed before. It doesn't matter if we disbelieve now, it doesn't matter if we sin, kill, r*pe, abuse minors, destroy properties, molest, blaspheme, murder believers, try to destroy Christianity, fornicate, do witchcraft and any other sin imaginable; as long as we've believed before there's no consequence for us doing those things? Understood.

Without evidence, this is a Strawman Argument!

WatchYourSix:
Christianity don suffer for Una hand…. Nobody said these things u posted…..: if any preacher said it…. Post the video evidence let’s drag him……

how else do you interpret the teaching?

TenQ:
Without evidence, this is a Strawman Argument!

interpret hyper grace then.

ValeeLove:
interpret hyper grace then.

According to you
"So you mean to tell me that our actions are void of consequences as long as we believed before. It doesn't matter if we disbelieve now, it doesn't matter if we sin, kill, r*pe, abuse minors, destroy properties, molest, blaspheme, murder believers, try to destroy Christianity, fornicate, do witchcraft and any other sin imaginable; as long as we've believed before there's no consequence for us doing those things? Understood."


If this is NOT your definition, then you either have to define it properly before attacking it or you give your EVIDENCE of people who hold on to this DOCTRINE

TenQ:
According to you
[i]"So you mean to tell me that our actions are void of consequences as long as we believed before. It doesn't matter if we disbelieve now, it doesn't matter if we sin, kill, r*pe, abuse minors, destroy properties, molest, blaspheme, murder believers, try to destroy Christianity, fornicate, do witchcraft and any other sin imaginable; as long as we've believed before there's no consequence for us doing those things? Understood."[/i]this is my interpretation, bring yours.


If this is NOT your definition, then you either have to define it properly before attacking it or you give your EVIDENCE of people who hold on to this DOCTRINE

this is my interpretation, bring yours.

ValeeLove:
this is my interpretation, bring yours.

Its your strawman, go ahead to fight it!

TenQ:
Its your strawman, go ahead to fight it!

agreed. Still bring yours.

ValeeLove:
agreed. Still bring yours.

There is nothing like Hypergrace, there is Grace.

1. Grace is unmerited favour
2. We are saved by Grace through faith
3. We cannot continue in sin an grace abounds

ValeeLove:
how else do you interpret the teaching?

The interpretation of the teaching is in the letter of Paul to the Galatians…

because in the first place, the law doesn’t cover the full list of transgression a man can commit in this world….… u require grace to live ur new life in Christ and not ur ability to just follow a bunch of listed laws to maintain your status of being saved..

The doctrine is clear…. grace is not an excuse to commit any sin you like …. It’s actually an empowerment to attain maturity like Christ jesus, living higher than the demands of the law which is limited .

TenQ:
There is nothing like Hypergrace, there is Grace.

1. Grace is unmerited favour
2. We are saved by Grace through faith
3. We cannot continue in sin an grace abounds

i agree with all these. What I don't agree with is grace will save us regardless of what we do with our lives. That's fundamentally unbiblical.

WatchYourSix:
The interpretation of the teaching is in the letter of Paul to the Galatians…

because in the first place, the law doesn’t cover the full list of transgression a man can commit in this world….… u require grace to live ur new life in Christ and not ur ability to just follow a bunch of listed laws to maintain your status of being saved..

The doctrine is clear…. grace is not an excuse to commit any sin you like …. It’s actually an empowerment to attain maturity like Christ jesus, living higher than the demands of the law which is limited .

yes I agree, back to the original context - does grace save you regardless of what you do with your life?

ValeeLove:
yes I agree, back to the original context - does grace save you regardless of what you do with your life?

Regardless u mean, deciding to go on living a life a sin??
Grace doesnt save u if u choose to continue in sin… thats rejecting the provision of grace…..paul was clear on this and no grace teacher will teach otherwise ….

WatchYourSix:
Regardless u mean, deciding to go on living a life a sin??
Grace doesnt save u if u choose to continue in sin… thats rejecting the provision of grace…..paul was clear on this and no grace teacher will teach otherwise ….

you'd be wrong in your assumption. The general consensus among grace/hyper grace preachers is that what you do after you've believed can not be regarded as sin or take you to hell. As long as you were once believed, you can never go to hell regardless of what you do.

ValeeLove:
you'd be wrong in your assumption. The general consensus among grace/hyper grace preachers is that what you do after you've believed can not be regarded as sin or take you to hell. As long as you were once believed, you can never go to hell regardless of what you do.

Assumption?? Now u are calling basic scripture an assumption..??
There is no general consensus….……U took their teaching out of context and painting worst case interpretation of the teaching …. Thats why I asked u to post the evidence of such teaching baba..

WatchYourSix:
Assumption?? Now u are basic scripture assumption..??
There is no general consensus….……U took their teaching out of context and painting worst case interpretation of the teaching …. Thats why I asked u to post the evidence of such teaching baba..

there's much more from him and a lot more from Abel Damina.

ValeeLove:
there's much more from him and a lot more from Abel Damina.

Still…. u took their teaching out of context to paint another picture because i ddnt read any of the things u wrote earlier in that screen shot

What they are saying is… a prodigal son is still a son…. and can repent of their sins…..but they never said anything like if they continue and died in their sins without returning to their father they will make heaven ??

ValeeLove:
i agree with all these. What I don't agree with is grace will save us regardless of what we do with our lives. That's fundamentally unbiblical.

A saved person is a fundamentally changed person: He's a NEW Creature with the Nature of Christ...the old life of sin has passed away.

If anyone thinks he can do anything he wants under the cover of grace, such a person is NOT saved at all.
Why!?
His old life has not passed away: he remains his old nature... NOTHING became NEW with him

The word GRACE could be rendered as UNDESERVED KINDNESS. Of course the interpretation given to it by the churches of Christendom and their actions agrees with your conclusion but that is not what GRACE means.

We humans are imperfect so we can't do without SIN the real meaning of that word is ERROR and that is how we were born (not created) Psalms 51:5

So to redeem us from that deplorable condition we need the UNDESERVED KINDNESS (GRACE) of God as He won't deal with us based on our errors {Psalms 103:12-14} this means God will continue to put up with our shortcomings as long as we remain under His umbrella. Psalms 91:1

But if such a person should abandon faith in Christ the GRACE is removed instantly! Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:26-27

WHY?
First of all let's talk about why God will continue to put up with the errors of the sinner. The sinner doesn't have the perfect brain to remember everything that has to do with right and wrong, he may find himself in dreadful situations that will make him fall {Proverbs 24:6} but when he falls God will send His holy spirit use a believer who will walk up to him and counsel him over the matter {Matthew 18:15 compare to 1Samuel 15:13-14} yet if he stubbornly argue {Matthew 18:16 compare to 1Samuel 18:15} God will then use more believers to correct him {Matthew 18:17} if he still disagree with all those sent to correct him then he is not sinning against humanity anymore but against the spirit of God that is using those people to call him to order surely such a sin will never ever be forgiven! Matthew 12:31-32

So the GRACE or UNDESERVED KINDNESS of God has time limit!🙂

TenQ:
A saved person is a fundamentally changed person: He's a NEW Creature with the Nature of Christ...the old life of sin has passed away.

If anyone thinks he can do anything he wants under the cover of grace, such a person is NOT saved at all.
Why!?
His old life has not passed away: he remains his old nature... NOTHING became NEW with him

my point exactly, but some grace preachers are preaching that he can leave whatever life and still make Heaven. That's heresy.

WatchYourSix:
Still…. u took their teaching out of context to paint another picture because i ddnt read any of the things u wrote earlier in that screen shot

What they are saying is… a prodigal son is still a son…. and can repent of their sins…..but they never said anything like if they continue and died in their sins without returning to their father they will make heaven ??

then why is he directly disagreeing with the lady's who's literally repeating your belief? You literally saw where he said a person will go to heaven if he dies a Muslim, how am I misinterpreting him?

ValeeLove:
then why is he directly disagreeing with the lady's who's literally repeating your belief? You literally saw where he said a person will go to heaven if he dies a Muslim, how am I misinterpreting him?

Sorry sir…. Ive checked again … u posted 3 screen shots ….i ddnt see this part u said that if he dies without returning to the father to repent he will still go to heaven

WatchYourSix:
Sorry sir…. Ive checked again … u posted 3 screen shots ….i ddnt see this part u said that if he dies without returning to the father to repent he will still go to heaven

listen, I'll just pick one (and understand that "implication" is a word), he said if a one time believer dies a muslim, he goes to Heaven. Meaning as a Muslim, he no longer believes in Jesus, maybe engages in polygamy and Sharia, maybe marries underage - according to Harrison Ayintete, that fellow is going straight to Heaven, no questions asked. Whatever explanation or reason he gave, he still believes that fellow is Heaven bound at the end of the day.
Where did I misinterpret him?

ValeeLove:
listen, I'll just pick one (and understand that "implication" is a word), he said if a one time believer dies a muslim, he goes to Heaven. Meaning as a Muslim, he no longer believes in Jesus, maybe engages in polygamy and Sharia, maybe marries underage - according to Harrison Ayintete, that fellow is going straight to Heaven, no questions asked. Whatever explanation or reason he gave, he still believes that fellow is Heaven bound at the end of the day.
Where did I misinterpret him?

Sir… I like sticking to context… because adding more to context changes the intent or purpose of the original speaker…. Again.. I ddnt see anywhere he said if the person died a Muslim who engaged in shariah or wateva Muslims do…
Like I said sir…..A prodigal son is still a son…with potential to repent…
and like Paul said… if u continue in sin after receiving grace… its judgement of hell that awaits you because that context of continuing in Sin means not repenting ..

ValeeLove:
my point exactly, but some grace preachers are preaching that he can leave whatever life and still make Heaven. That's heresy.

I have not seen where any preacher said or will say u can do wateva u like because of grace ….. u are just taking the statement out of context…..ur screen shot doesnt say o…..

He even used Abraham as an example….we all know Abraham is not a man that continued in his sins…. In fact repented, obeyed God and sent the other woman away because he wasn’t supposed to be sleeping with Haggai in the first place…

See one here

paxonel:
So,how does pastor Dolapo Lawal relate this position with

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
everybody commit sin„whether the person is Christian or not (Romsns 3:23)
Before God, sin is sin whether it fraud or any sin
everybody commit sin, whether the person is Christian or not. (Romsns 3:23)
Before God, sin is sin whether it is alcohol drinking or cigarettes or hard drugs
everybody commit sin, whether the person is Christian or not. (Romsns 3:23)
Before God, sin is sin whether it is examination malpractice or expo or whatever
No!
The volcamic question is, are believers classified among anything that defiles in Revelation 21:27 simply because they are mere humans who live their lives by nature and commit sin like every other people on earth?

The answer is no!

Otherwise, the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is useless.

1 Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Therefore, it is not your ability to stay way from your sin (which is not even possible in the first place) that justifies.
Rather, it is your FAITH that justifies !

SO PASTOR DOLAPO LAWAL IS WRONG ON THIS
So one after being a Christian can be a terrorist and be saved?

ValeeLove:
my point exactly, but some grace preachers are preaching that he can leave whatever life and still make Heaven. That's heresy.

That kind of doctrine is from a person who was never transformed by Christ Jesus

WatchYourSix:
I have not seen where any preacher said or will say u can do wateva u like because of grace ….. u are just taking the statement out of context…..ur screen shot doesnt say o…..

He even used Abraham as an example….we all know Abraham is not a man that continued in his sins…. In fact repented, obeyed God and sent the other woman away because he wasn’t supposed to be sleeping with Haggai in the first place…

It is not this one hypergrace people for after this one Abraham still carried women after sarah died. That is the one they use

Dtruthspeaker:
It is not this one hypergrace people for after this one Abraham still carried women after sarah died. That is the one they use

Carried woman?? What does that mean….

Sarah died and she took keturah…. How is that a wrong??

WatchYourSix:
Carried woman?? What does that mean….

Sarah died and she took keturah…. How is that a wrong??

People always twisted it to say that Abraham had concubines so, hypergrace people always say impliedly that they can carry women as long as they believe.

Dtruthspeaker:
People always twisted it to say that Abraham had concubines so, hypergrace people always say impliedly that they can carry women as long as they believe.

I think pple just misinterpreted the so called hyper grace pple that they are telling pple to sin however they like and that grace covers them…. Nobody preaches this nonsense