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LordReed:
Bro Herod was not alive in the first century. Can you see how you are having to revise the words you claim are from eyewitnesses and divine inspiration? You don't even have confidence in the words as they are written because they contradict facts.

I already gave you the answer, you're just not satisfied with it so I'm going to see if I can get you more info on that. Quirinius was an unofficial governor while Herod was alive. Governor in Luke 2 is a verb not a noun as it is usually used in the Bible. Check the greek if you think I'm lying.

jaephoenix:
What evidence proves its the strongest

I'll just share these.

jaephoenix:
Logic absolutely has nothing to do with spirituality. It looks like you dont know what logic is. Maybe I'll define it for you
Logic is the formal science of correct reasoning. It involves evaluating arguments to determine whether a conclusion is validly supported by its premises, separating sound, reasonable thinking from flawed or irrational conclusions.
From the above definition, it is based off evidence and facts. Spirituality cannot be proven. Why do I have to define stuff for you christians always?
You haven't even proven that a man rose from the dead,and you're already basing premises off it.
You have been unable to show us the external sources of the gospel for days now, yet you're telling us to do the work for you. Na so u dey do?
Why do you think the one who prayed and read would do better than the one who only read? Remember he used all his time to read,he didn't waste any time to pray.
That's still what I'm saying. Your bible said not to trust in our logic ir understanding

I'll give you the external sources. But why would that even convince you when archeological evidence present in modern day Israel won't?
From the pic below, logic doesn't necessarily have to be proven by science. For instance, love is logical but it cannot be explained by science. Same thing with spirituality. It's logical to believe in a creator because according to the Laws of Thermodynamics, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so how did the universe come to be? It's perfectly logical (not scientific) to say it was created outside of time and space.
If you pray and read, it's better than just praying or just reading. I stand with my comment.

jaephoenix:
Good question. I love this.
Dates are measured in Anno Domini (A.D.) because a 6th-century monk Dionysius Exiguus wanted to standardize the calendar by making the birth of Jesus Christ the center of world history, rather than counting years based on the reigns of Roman emperors. Now because the phrase Anno Domini is explicitly religious, many modern historians and scientists use the neutral terms C.E. (Common Era) and B.C.E. (Before Common Era). Both systems share the exact same timeline.
Remember many atheists dont have issues with the historicity of Jesus, what we debate on is HIS DEITY. Meaning his virgin birth,miracles, resurrection are not evidenced

well if he was just an ordinary man why would Dionysus want Him to be the center of world history. Think man, think. Was Dionysus also sold a bill of goods like "modern day over religious dumb Africans"? I don't think so.

jaephoenix:
So who were the people who witnessed it first hand since it wasn't Matthew, Mark, Luke and John

it was Matthew, Mark and the disciples. Mark wrote from Peter and Luke was a historian.

ValeeLove:
I know it the same way I know history. The documentations, research, archeological evidence, external literature and references.

What documentations, research, archeological evidence, external literature and references show that Matthew and John wrote the books?

ValeeLove:
I already gave you the answer, you're just not satisfied with it so I'm going to see if I can get you more info on that. Quirinius was an unofficial governor while Herod was alive. Governor in Luke 2 is a verb not a noun as it is usually used in the Bible. Check the greek if you think I'm lying.

LoLz @ unofficial governor. Provide the evidence for this since you know things by documentations, research, archeological evidence, external literature and references.

ValeeLove:
I'll just share these.

Bro none of it means that is Jesus' tomb. The main premise of all of what you put is that is where tradition says it is. There is no concrete evidence it is the tomb.

LordReed:
What documentations, research, archeological evidence, external literature and references show that Matthew and John wrote the books?

if I provide it you'll probably say it's not concrete enough.

ValeeLove:
if I provide it you'll probably say it's not concrete enough.

Don't chicken out now!

LordReed:
Bro none of it means that is Jesus' tomb. The main premise of all of what you put is that is where tradition says it is. There is no concrete evidence it is the tomb.

define concrete and give an example of historical concrete evidence.

ValeeLove:
define concrete and give an example of historical concrete evidence.

Unequivocal.

Example: Inscriptions on the tomb saying this is where Jesus was laid that can be dated to the time period of his death, not 300+ years later.

LordReed:
Unequivocal.

Example: Inscriptions on the tomb saying this is where Jesus was laid that can be dated to the time period of his death, not 300+ years later.

so you have that on every Emperor's tomb in history?

ValeeLove:
so you have that on every Emperor's tomb in history?

That is just an example. Provide an unequivocal evidence of Jesus' tomb is what I asked for.

BTW hope you are also bringing unequivocal evidence that Matthew and John wrote the books.

ValeeLove:
mention the contradictions and misinformations.

I literally made a thread about the contradictions. Maybe you should take a look
https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes
Also about misinformations...do you believe the earth and moon has ever stood still?

ValeeLove:
I know it the same way I know history. The documentations, research, archeological evidence, external literature and references.

Oga, for the last time,show us evidence a d stop this waffling and faffing

ValeeLove:
I'll just share these.

What is this?

ValeeLove:
I'll give you the external sources. But why would that even convince you when archeological evidence present in modern day Israel won't?
From the pic below, logic doesn't necessarily have to be proven by science. For instance, love is logical but it cannot be explained by science. Same thing with spirituality. It's logical to believe in a creator because according to the Laws of Thermodynamics, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so how did the universe come to be? It's perfectly logical (not scientific) to say it was created outside of time and space.
If you pray and read, it's better than just praying or just reading. I stand with my comment.

Which archeological evidence PROVED THAT MATTHEW,MARK,LUKE AND JOHN WROTE THE GOSPEL? You haven't presented them yet.
Love is not a logical concept and cannot be proven by science.
About creation,atheists insist we dont know. So if I go by your logic about Thermodynamics Laws,who created that god? And what's your evidence that it was created outside of time and space. Also how do u know its your favorite god that di the creation.
Again,for the third time,why do you think its better to pray and read,than to just read? I am asking for the explanation of your answer
This is the third time I'm asking you this question. Is it that you dont understand the question or what

ValeeLove:
well if he was just an ordinary man why would Dionysus want Him to be the center of world history. Think man, think. Was Dionysus also sold a bill of goods like "modern day over religious dumb Africans"? I don't think so.

Many folks see people as heroes. Example,Many Muslims view Mohammed as a sacred figure. You dare not say anything wrong about him,and they rate him as the greatest figure in history. Would you believe Mohammed is the greatest just cos some folks view him as so? Exactly!

ValeeLove:
it was Matthew, Mark and the disciples. Mark wrote from Peter and Luke was a historian.

Evidence please

ValeeLove:
so you have that on every Emperor's tomb in history?

Many emperors tombs have inscriptions, artworks etc which date to their time. And carbon dating also checks out. Also external sources point to such tomb locations