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Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Nefort: 7:37pm On May 23
Among the popular questions atheists keep asking believers during every argument about God's existence are: WHERE DID GOD COME FROM? WHO CREATED GOD? The answer to this question is simple. God came from outside the universe where things work differently and where things necessarily doesn't have a beginning and an end.

A big mistake that atheist make is that they assume that the laws of the universe is the ultimate. Before humans started exploring space humans will say everything that goes up must surely come down. But this law is only valid while you are in planet Earth. As soon you leave planet Earth and venture into space you will discover the law becomes invalid. Atheists have been making the mistake of trying to explain God's existence using the laws of universe. One of the laws of the universe is that everything with a beginning must have an ending. This law will only work in the universe and not necessarily outside the universe. When atheists ask where God came from or who created God they are erroneously ASSUMING that God is bound to the laws of universe. But God IS NOT bound to the laws of the universe where everything with a beginning must have an end. God exists outside the universe so this law doesn't apply to him. Outside our universe the laws will be quite different and it is no more going to work like the universe where everything must have a beginning and an end. The laws beyond our universe is a scope or realm beyond the reach of the limited human intelligence. The fact that you can't explain the origin of a creator doesn't mean nothing created the complexities existing in the universe. The origin of the creator is just beyond the human mind to grasp. Our minds can only see and understand that something intelligent designed the universe, but not able to figure out where the creator came from.

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Stephenmoka4(m): 7:53pm On May 23
I am a Christian but, I think that's not an understanding way. I mean, I don't think you'll be able to provide anything tangible that is outside the universe, you know that proof is a necessary entity here.

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Nefort: 8:00pm On May 23
Stephenmoka4:
I am a Christian but, I think that's not an understanding way. I mean, I don't think you'll be able to provide anything tangible that is outside the universe, you know that proof is a necessary entity here.
The proof of God's existence is already there and very obvious. But the proof of where God came from is the fact we don't know. And the reason we don't know is because God is outside our observable scope. Things that are outside our observable scope are not observable because the laws of their existence are different from the laws of the universe that we humans are familiar with, like the law that everything in existence has a beginning and an end.
Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Stephenmoka4(m): 8:09pm On May 23
Nefort:

The proof of God's existence is already there and very obvious. But the proof of where God came from is the fact we don't know. And the reason we don't know is because God is outside our observable scope. Things that are outside our observable scope are not observable because the laws of their existence are different from the laws of the universe that we humans are familiar with, like the law that everything in existence has a beginning and an end.
Atheists won't believe this, anything that cannot be observed in our universe that isn't verified, cannot be concluded. Be careful with that line of yours @* But the proof of where God came from is the fact we don't know.*

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by chucks185: 8:15pm On May 23
from the sense in what you wrote, it's clear you don't really get what the universe denotes. the universe includes every existence.
Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by sonmvayina(m): 8:17pm On May 23
Nefort:

The proof of God's existence is already there and very obvious. But the proof of where God came from is the fact we don't know. And the reason we don't know is because God is outside our observable scope. Things that are outside our observable scope are not observable because the laws of their existence are different from the laws of the universe that we humans are familiar with, like the law that everything in existence has a beginning and an end.

Does this rule out Jesus as God? .. I can relate with this post.. But it says nothing whether God of Christian is same as God of Islam...
But one thing I can get from the above is that God is not part of creation...
Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by illicit(m): 8:18pm On May 23
But in the Bible Joshua asked the sun to stand on Gibeon and the Moon on Adjalon as if they move....
Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by albertatrina(f): 8:46pm On May 23
Oh no wonder God is out of touch with what is happening here in this universe undecided

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Nefort: 8:57pm On May 23
Stephenmoka4:
Atheists won't believe this, anything that cannot be observed in our universe that isn't verified, cannot be concluded. Be careful with that line of yours @* But the proof of where God came from is the fact we don't know.*
The things that we see and feel can be explained. We have seen and studied creation in the universe and the conclusion of many is that these things are very complex, organised and intelligently made to occur by chance. Since we didn't create them then something else must have made them. Now switching over our attention to what intelligently created the things we see, since we cannot see it it means it is beyond our observable scope. So there is no point asking what created something that is not even within our power of understanding and scope of observation. We just know it is there because the handwork is very obvious.

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by sonmvayina(m): 8:58pm On May 23
illicit:
But in the Bible Joshua asked the sun to stay on Adjalon as if the sun was moving....

Maybe it is...
Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Stephenmoka4(m): 9:00pm On May 23
Nefort:

The things that we see and feel can be explained. We have seen and studied creation in the universe and the conclusion of many is that these things are very complex, organised and intelligently made to occur by chance. Since we didn't create them then something else must have made them. Now switching over our attention to what intelligently created the things we see, since we cannot see it it means it is beyond our observable scope. So there is no point asking what created something that is not even within our power of understanding and scope of observation. We just know it is there because the handwork is very obvious.
Agreed

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by kingxsamz(m): 9:04pm On May 23
Stephenmoka4:
Atheists won't believe this, anything that cannot be observed in our universe that isn't verified, cannot be concluded.

Yes, this is very true, so what the hell are you saying? undecided
Maybe we should conclude that Unicorns exists because we can't observe it.
I wonder how religious folks think. undecided

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by kingxsamz(m): 9:09pm On May 23
Religious folks, how did ya'll arrive to the conclusion that this God has prepared some paradise in the sky and is ready to throw anyone who refuses to believe in him in a lake of eternal fire?
Reply intelligently without quoting the bible.
I'm waiting. undecided

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Nefort: 9:11pm On May 23
albertatrina:
Oh no wonder God is out of touch with what is happening here in this universe undecided
God intervenes in a way humans don't notice. You will never notice God interfering directly because God doesn't exist in the same state with humans. If you create robots will the robots know you are intervening in their affairs? The answer is NO because a human and a robot don't exist in the same state.
Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Stephenmoka4(m): 9:16pm On May 23
kingxsamz:


Yes, this is very true, so what the hell are you saying? undecided
Maybe we should conclude that Unicorns exists because we can't observe it.
I wonder how religious folks think. undecided
I guess you didn't understand the view, Unicorn doesn't exist. If someone say it does, then they'll work on it and more people keep saying they saw it, they'll try to find out more about it. However, if there is no proof they can't conclude that it's there.
Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by kingxsamz(m): 9:36pm On May 23
Stephenmoka4:
I guess you didn't understand the view, Unicorn doesn't exist. If someone say it does, then they'll work on it and more people keep saying they saw it, they'll try to find out more about it. However, if there is no proof they can't conclude that it's there.

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This guy sha.
Apply this same logic to your God.
Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Stephenmoka4(m): 9:42pm On May 23
kingxsamz:


grin grin grin
This guy sha.
Apply this same logic to your God.
Many religious people had seen proof and outside religion I have seen something beyond science. I have witnessed an atheist practice some sort of sorcery etc. However it can't be concluded for all
Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Nefort: 9:44pm On May 23
sonmvayina:


Does this rule out Jesus as God? .. I can relate with this post.. But it says nothing whether God of Christian is same as God of Islam...
But one thing I can get from the above is that God is not part of creation...
The Bible might be fake but what is very clear is that an intelligent spirit created the universe.

Islam and Christianity are just different patterns of worshipping the same creator.

Yes God is not part of creation that is why it doesn't make sense to ask where God came from or what created God. God exists in a different realm that doesn't follow the laws of the universe.

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by sonmvayina(m): 9:49pm On May 23
Nefort:

The Bible might be fake but what is very clear is that an intelligent spirit created the universe.

Islam and Christianity are just different patterns of worshipping the same creator.


Yes God is not part of creation that is why it doesn't make sense to ask where God came from or what created God. God exists in a different realm that doesn't follow the laws of the universe.

Intelligent?.. Christianity and Islam worship the same creator??.. Hardly..

I have my reasons..

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Nefort: 9:53pm On May 23
kingxsamz:
Religious folks, how did ya'll arrive to the conclusion that this God has prepared some paradise in the sky and is ready to throw anyone who refuses to believe in him in a lake of eternal fire?
Reply intelligently without quoting the bible.
I'm waiting. undecided
I am here to challenge you.

Your comment is above is what was stated in the Bible. Believing that a creator exists is one thing and believing that the Bible is authentic is another thing entirely

Now my question is, what if the Bible is fake does this prove a creator doesn't exist?
Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by LordReed(m): 9:58pm On May 23
Nefort:
But God IS NOT bound to the laws of the universe

So your god can create a square circle?

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Nefort: 10:01pm On May 23
sonmvayina:


Intelligent?.. Christianity and Islam worship the same creator??.. Hardly..

I have my reasons..
In the minds of religious fanatics they think muslims and Christians worship different God's, but the fact is that the God that created a Muslim is still the same God that created a Christian. Humans beings started existing long before Christianity and Islam started isn't it? No human being was born with a religion. Humans are born into a religion instead.

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Nefort: 10:02pm On May 23
LordReed:


So your god can create a square circle?
What does that mean?
Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by LordReed(m): 10:04pm On May 23
Nefort:

What does that mean?

It means your god can create an illogical thing since he is not bound by the laws of the universe right?

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Nefort: 10:17pm On May 23
LordReed:


It means your god can create an illogical thing since he is not bound by the laws of the universe right?
Whatever you regard as logical or illogical is as a result of what the universe shaped your mind to perceive. Since God doesn't exist in the same state and environment with us or subject to the laws of the universe, then your illogical and logical cannot be the same with God's own illogical and logical.

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by LordReed(m): 10:24pm On May 23
Nefort:

Whatever you regard as logical or illogical is as a result of what the universe shaped your mind to perceive. Since God doesn't exist in the same state and environment with us or subject to the laws of the universe, then your illogical and logical cannot be the same with God's own illogical and logical.

So your god can create a square circle?

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Nefort: 10:36pm On May 23
LordReed:


So your god can create a square circle?
Yes he can create a square circle by modifying your senses to make you call a certain shape a square circle. The universe is what God made us to interpret it and not what you think it is. Therefore a square is not actually a square outside human perception. It is a square because of you think it is a square.

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by LordReed(m): 10:46pm On May 23
Nefort:

Yes he can create a square circle by modifying your senses to make you call a certain shape a square circle. The universe is what God made us to interpret it and not what you think it is. Therefore a square is not actually a square outside human perception. It is a square because of you think it is a square.

Do you have evidence that your god can do this or are you speculating?

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Nefort: 11:01pm On May 23
LordReed:


Do you have evidence that your god can do this or are you speculating?
Did you create yourself? The answer is NO. Since you didn't create yourself then something else created you. Whether you think it's evolution or whatever, you are as good whatever created you. Whatever created you can as well modify your senses to change your interpretation of objects around you.

Anyway, if you visit another planet where intelligent beings reside and they tell you that a rectangle is called a square circle, don't bother arguing with them because that is what they called it over there, and it means a square circle actually exists and God has created it.

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by LordReed(m): 11:07pm On May 23
Nefort:

Did you create yourself? The answer is NO. Since you didn't create yourself then something else created you. Whether you think it's evolution or whatever, you are as good whatever created you. Whatever created you can as well modify your senses to change your interpretation of objects around you.

Anyway, if you visit another planet where intelligent beings reside and they tell you that a rectangle is called a square circle don't bother arguing with them because that is what they called it over there and it means a square circle actually exists and God has created it.

In other words you are speculating and have no evidence. How do you know these things are true if you have no evidence?

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Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by Nefort: 11:10pm On May 23
LordReed:


In other words you are speculating and have no evidence. How do you know these things are true if you have no evidence?
I have said different things. Which one are you requesting for evidence so I can focus on it?
Re: Atheists, This Is Where God Originated From by LordReed(m): 11:27pm On May 23
Nefort:

I have said different things. Which one are you requesting for evidence so I can focus on it?

LordReed:


Do you have evidence that your god can do this or are you speculating?

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