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QuinQQ:
He doesn't even see he's contradicting himself.
How is this PRE-COLONIAL Nigeria? Though these are mostly lies impressed upon a young lady, but assuming they are true, WERE THEY NOT CONDITIONS CREATED BY EUROPEANS AND THEIR INSATIABLE GREED FOR HUMAN CARGO?? You have already been shown that conditions of enslaved people with the French were so horrific that they quickly died and they needed constant fresh supplies!

Please watch this video by a White American carefully before responding further (and the truth is, he didn’t even say half of it)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cq6IfPTMHXP/?igsh=MTA1cGFzNG94MzQ0cg==

It wasn't just the Europeans whom were mostly Anglos, but Sub Saharan Africans sold their own kind to Arabs, Moroccans and Ottomans. Sub Saharan Africans sold slaves like gas stations sell gas today.

Secretbloodline:
Stop lying.

I'm not you that has no African blood - the mother of all STUPID lies!

DiarisGodoo:
I transferred to LSU, a white college, from our Southern University which was black. I started dating white girls and we eventually drifted apart.
Yeah, people tend to believe anything in print without considering for a minute that something in print can also be a well-crafted lie, or that the writer doesn’t know the truth himself. The funny thing is that they will see polished people from same Africa here in America yet still continue to believe they live in trees in Africa. Such is the power of the printed word.

Like I said, lucky guy, you. Keep projecting a good image for us. As for Secretbloodline, he has a totally warped view of things. Do you kmow he has never been anywhere near Africa. Everything he's misinforming about he got from print - print of the most dubious kinds!

Secretbloodline:
Now who is upset? Yet when using the same AI generated answers against Creoles you don't mind.

Yet I know and you know that these facts draw credible conclusions.

Who is upset? Upset about what? Just stating a fact doesn't mean you're upset. European slave traders were obviously evil and soulless.
About Creoles, all I said is they all have African blood - an obvious fact

QuinQQ:
Who is upset? Upset about what? Just stating a fact doesn't mean you're upset. European slave traders were obviously evil and soulless.
About Creoles, all I said is they all have African blood - an obvious fact

**Genetic Profile of Creole Populations: Paternal (J2/J1/G2a) & Maternal Lineages (Lx/L3/European/Indigenous)**

### **Paternal Haplogroups in Creole Men:**
- *Dominant Mediterranean/Middle Eastern lineages*:
> - **J1/J2**: Common among Sephardic Jews, North Africans, and Levantine groups…
>> - **G2a**: Found in Greek/Turkish regions.

### ***Maternal Haplogroups in Creole Women***
A mix of:
> - *Sub-Saharan African* origins (**L0-L5**, especially L3): Traced to West/Central Africa…
>> With smaller percentages showing *European maternal DNA* (**H/V/J*) or Indigenous American markers! *(Source: Caribbean Genetics Studies)*

QuinQQ:
Who is upset? Upset about what? Just stating a fact doesn't mean you're upset. European slave traders were obviously evil and soulless.
About Creoles, all I said is they all have African blood - an obvious fact

delulu good morning
what colour is it today?

DMCA:
delulu good morning
what colour is it today?

Top of the Morning to you Yaba.
My panties today are a bit above you.
Turquoise. Do yiu know what is turquoise?

Secretbloodline:
**Genetic Profile of Creole Populations: Paternal (J2/J1/G2a) & Maternal Lineages (Lx/L3/European/Indigenous)**

### **Paternal Haplogroups in Creole Men:**
- *Dominant Mediterranean/Middle Eastern lineages*:
> - **J1/J2**: Common among Sephardic Jews, North Africans, and Levantine groups…
>> - **G2a**: Found in Greek/Turkish regions.

### ***Maternal Haplogroups in Creole Women***
A mix of:
> - *Sub-Saharan African* origins (**L0-L5**, especially L3): Traced to West/Central Africa…
>> With smaller percentages showing *European maternal DNA* (**H/V/J*) or Indigenous American markers! *(Source: Caribbean Genetics Studies)*

What is this gibberish? We're talking Louisiana Creoles of color like yourself. Why are you lyingly posting Caribbean??

Your people, Louisiana Creoles of Color, were
mostly created through the coercively oppressive concubinage system (basically legalized rape system) instituted by the French, called Placage! Whereby whites have unlimited access to the private parts of black women without ever having to marry them!

Secretbloodline:
It wasn't just the Europeans whom were mostly Anglos, but Sub Saharan Africans sold their own kind to Arabs, Moroccans and Ottomans. Sub Saharan Africans sold slaves like gas stations sell gas today.

At least they had no choice. If someone has guns and you have arrows, you have no choice. What was the excuse of the totally evil, soulless Europoeans for compelling and facilitating it, middle passage, and horrific conditions of slavery itself? And stop shamelessly trying to cover for the most inhuman of them all - the French. If it were entirely up to the French slavery would never have ended. They were hoping against hope it came back - only repealing the monstrousity called Code Noir May this year!

Secretbloodline:
Those Creoles that claim Black aren't Creoles. A Creole is a Frankish or Spanish male born in the New World, specifically J2 and G2a haplagroup. We are typically very light skinned although dark skin and fair skinned Creole males exist. And you are correct the Anglos enforced the binary and inclusion of African Americans who are males of African E1b1ba and R1B Anglo into Creole communities. This is because of the shared family with the women. If the mother is Creole but the father is African American because of the matriarch culture of African American primary the child is labeled Creole. But trust me they're not Creoles and their spiritual inheritances are different from us who have the male lineage back to the Mediterranean Middle East. My forefathers have been Christians for almost since the time of Bishop Arias who lived in the 3rd century. My forefathers never raided and enslaved other people. That's the clear difference. Its not the look that I'm debating it's the spiritual bloodline. You clearly haven't understood my point that idolatry doesn't exist in my spirit and I have nothing against the physical qualities of West Africans.


You apparently have issues with light skinned men. And this can be summed up as your ancestors were idolaters just like the British people whose ancestors judged people upon appearance alone.


Dark skinned men and women aren't Creoles by standard and they don't look like our French ancestors but light skinned men and women do. Fair skinned Creoles are not standard Creoles and don't look like our French ancestors. Once you get out of the lying mindset and accept that the image of France isn't white you'd understand. Until then keep your bloody oath.

Stop LYING. See below

Secretbloodline:
Dark skinned men and women aren't Creoles by standard and they don't look like our French ancestors but light skinned men and women do. Fair skinned Creoles are not standard Creoles and don't look like our French ancestors. Once you get out of the lying mindset and accept that the image of France isn't white you'd understand. Until then keep your bloody oath.

Most idiotic and ridiculous of lies!
When even white couples do have black babies and black couples do have white babies - due to things like recessive ancestral genetic markers!

Stop claiming what is clearly NOT yours while rejecting what is!

Secretbloodline:
Those Creoles that claim Black aren't Creoles. A Creole is a Frankish or Spanish male born in the New World, specifically J2 and G2a haplagroup. We are typically very light skinned although dark skin and fair skinned Creole males exist. And you are correct the Anglos enforced the binary and inclusion of African Americans who are males of African E1b1ba and R1B Anglo into Creole communities. This is because of the shared family with the women. If the mother is Creole but the father is African American because of the matriarch culture of African American primary the child is labeled Creole. But trust me they're not Creoles and their spiritual inheritances are different from us who have the male lineage back to the Mediterranean Middle East. My forefathers have been Christians for almost since the time of Bishop Arias who lived in the 3rd century. My forefathers never raided and enslaved other people. That's the clear difference. Its not the look that I'm debating it's the spiritual bloodline. You clearly haven't understood my point that idolatry doesn't exist in my spirit and I have nothing against the physical qualities of West Africans.


You apparently have issues with light skinned men. And this can be summed up as your ancestors were idolaters just like the British people whose ancestors judged people upon appearance alone.


Dark skinned men and women aren't Creoles by standard and they don't look like our French ancestors but light skinned men and women do. Fair skinned Creoles are not standard Creoles and don't look like our French ancestors. Once you get out of the lying mindset and accept that the image of France isn't white you'd understand. Until then keep your bloody oath.

Below is the image of France, what French people look like, exactly as his contemporaries described King Louis IX: pale skin, blond hair, blue eyes. They don't look like you because they have no African mixture like you!
Stop claiming what is NOT yours while rejecting what is!

QuinQQ:
What is this gibberish? We're talking Louisiana Creoles of color like yourself. Why are you lyingly posting Caribbean??

Your people, Louisiana Creoles of Color, were
mostly created through the coercively oppressive concubinage system (basically legalized rape system) instituted by the French, called Placage! Whereby whites have unlimited access to the private parts of black women without ever having to marry them!

**This world pattern is highly accurate.** Wherever European and indigenous populations converged to form "Creole" societies, vibrant and highly autonomous **communities of free People of Color emerged**, even on the African continent itself.

Rather than viewing Africa through a single lens, historians trace how different coastal trading hubs, island societies, and returnee networks developed these unique social classes.

### The Three Types of African Creole Communities

#### 1. The Returnees and Re-Captives (West Africa)
These communities were formed by Westernized, formerly enslaved individuals who returned to Africa from the Americas or Europe. They established highly influential, educated elites:
* **Sierra Leone Creoles (Krio)**: Founded in Freetown in the late 18th century for liberated Africans from London, Nova Scotia, and Jamaica. They created a distinct English-based creole language (Krio) and dominated law, medicine, and civil service across West Africa.
* **Americo-Liberians**: Free-born and formerly enslaved African Americans who migrated through the American Colonization Society, forming a distinct ruling class in Liberia separate from the indigenous population.
* **The Saros and Amaro**: Sierra Leone Creoles (Saros) and Afro-Brazilian returnees (Amaro) who migrated to coastal cities like Lagos and Porto-Novo, introducing Latin and British architecture, religion, and trade networks.

#### 2. Euro-African Coastal Castes
Centuries of European trade networks along the Atlantic coast created permanent mixed-heritage mercantile elites:
* **The Signares (Senegal)**: On Gorée Island and in Saint-Louis, Euro-African women known as Signares acquired massive wealth, property, and political leverage by marrying French merchants and running independent commercial enterprises.
* **The Luso-Africans (Atlantic Creoles)**: In Cape Verde, Guinea-Bissau, and Elmina, mixed Portuguese and African populations formed an autonomous class of diplomats, linguists, and merchants.

#### 3. Indian Ocean and Southern African Creoles
Colonial plantation structures on unpopulated or sparsely populated islands generated entirely new ethnicities:
* **Mauritian and Seychellois Creoles**: The islands of Mauritius and Seychelles developed vibrant French-inflected Creole populations derived from mixed European, East African, Madagascan, and South Asian roots.
* **Cape Coloureds (South Africa)**: Centered around the Cape Colony, a unique community emerged from the blending of European settlers, indigenous Khoisan groups, and enslaved people brought from Madagascar and Southeast Asia (the Cape Malays).

In all of these cases, just like in Louisiana or the Caribbean, the existence of a "Creole" space naturally fostered a distinct, highly resilient middle tier of free people of color who operated outside traditional indigenous or colonial structures.

Secretbloodline:
In all of these cases, just like in Louisiana or the Caribbean, the existence of a "Creole" space naturally fostered a distinct, highly resilient middle tier of free people of color who operated outside traditional indigenous or colonial structures.

The one huge difference between you and them is that they embrace their African heritage. They don't foolishly say they're from some mysterious tan people from Palestine, or try to turn King Louis olive and have him living in New Orleans!😅

### The Two Frances: How a Royalist Creole Dynasty Fought the Rise of Anglo-French Slavery

The history of the Atlantic world is often painted in broad strokes—a simple, brutal binary of Black and White, enslaved and free. But families who carry the blood and memory of the Creole elite know that the truth is far more complex.

To understand the true nature of modern racial oppression, we must look at the hidden war between two entirely different types of Frenchmen: the traditional royalists, who operated under a paternalistic code that allowed for fluid Creole autonomy, and the mercantile *Grand Blancs*, who abandoned their French heritage to align with the rigid, mechanical brutality of the Anglo-American racial binary.

The story of the global Creole elite is not just a footnote in history; it is a living lineage of resistance, embodied by patriots who weaponized their status to carve out spaces of absolute freedom.

---

### The Blueprint of Freedom: Royalists vs. The Merchant Class

Before the chaos of the French Revolution, the treatment of African and mixed-race populations depended entirely on who held power in the metropole. Under the absolute monarchs of the House of Bourbon, colonial law was governed by a strict, centralized bureaucracy. While the *Code Noir* of 1685 legally classified enslaved people as property, it contained a crucial, radical paradox: once a slave was granted manumission by a royal official, they were legally elevated to the exact same status, rights, and privileges as a French-born subject.

This legal fluidity allowed a vibrant, highly educated, and wealthy class of free People of Color to emerge across the French Atlantic.

However, this royalist order faced a vicious enemy from within: the *Grand Blancs*. This faction was comprised of wealthy maritime merchants, plantation owners, and upwardly mobile Frenchmen who amassed fortunes in port cities like Bordeaux and Nantes. The *Grand Blancs* loathed royal interference and deeply envied the rising wealth of the Creole elite.

* **The Royalist Order (Bourbon)** ───> **Fluidity**: Allowed manumission & full Creole citizenship.
* **The Grand Blancs (Merchants)** ───> **The Binary**: Aligned with the English system of total segregation.

To maximize their profits, these French merchant groups systematically aligned themselves with the English colonial model. Unlike the French system, the Anglo-American binary recognized no middle ground; it was designed as a strict, permanent caste system where any trace of African ancestry meant total subjugation. The *Grand Blancs* adopted this harsh Anglo logic, pushing for local segregation laws that stripped Creoles of their titles, restricted their dress, and sought to crush their economic independence.

---

### The Cataclysm of 1802: The Peasant Backlash

The ultimate victory of the merchant class came in the wake of the French Revolution. When Napoleon Bonaparte seized power, he did so on the backs of a newly empowered French peasant class and the displaced colonial merchant lobbies.

In May 1802, this new regime executed the most brutal betrayal in Atlantic history: Napoleon officially reinstated slavery, revoked the citizenship rights of free Creoles, and instituted a hyper-bureaucratic, military-backed racial hierarchy. The fluid, royalist legal structures that had protected free People of Color for over a century were utterly demolished by this new wave of bourgeois French leadership.

---

### The Bourbon Legacy in the American South: The Natchez Free Community

Driven by these geopolitical shifts, elite Creole families took their traditions of autonomy and resistance deep into the territories of the American South. Among the most profound examples of this royalist Creole resistance is the lineage of **John Henri de France**, a dedicated patriot whose descendants carried the noble traditions of the Royal House of Bourbon into the Mississippi Valley.

* **The House of Bourbon**
└── **John Henri de France** (The Patriot)
└── **Charles de France, Sr.** (Creole Liberator of Natchez)
└── **Established Free People of Color Community**

His son, **Charles de France, Sr.**, operating as a proud Creole aristocrat, directly confronted the encroaching Anglo-American system in Natchez, Mississippi. In a region that was rapidly becoming the heart of the brutal American cotton empire—a system heavily backed by global merchant networks—Charles de France, Sr. utilized his wealth, status, and legal savvy to emancipate enslaved individuals.

By freeing slaves and shielding them from the harsh, binary laws of the American South, Charles de France, Sr., alongside a tight-knit network of fellow Creole elites, successfully established a sanctuary of free People of Color in Natchez. They did not merely survive within the hostile Anglo-American landscape; they built a highly autonomous, cultured, and self-sustaining community that stood as a direct defiance to the merchant-driven slave codes.

---

### Remembering the True Creole Resistance

When we look back at the variant treatment of enslaved people across the Americas, we must remember that the harshest brutalities did not stem from traditional European royalism, but from the unchecked greed of the mercantile classes who stripped humanity down to a balance sheet.

The legacy of the de France lineage and the Creole liberators of Natchez reminds us that even in the darkest eras of the plantation complex, the royal traditions of honor, autonomy, and universal dignity were weaponized by free People of Color to break the chains of a brutal binary system.

-

Secretbloodline:
### The Two Frances: How a Royalist Creole Dynasty Fought the Rise of Anglo-French Slavery

The history of the Atlantic world is often painted in broad strokes—a simple, brutal binary of Black and White, enslaved and free. But families who carry the blood and memory of the Creole elite know that the truth is far more complex.

To understand the true nature of modern racial oppression, we must look at the hidden war between two entirely different types of Frenchmen: the traditional royalists, who operated under a paternalistic code that allowed for fluid Creole autonomy, and the mercantile *Grand Blancs*, who abandoned their French heritage to align with the rigid, mechanical brutality of the Anglo-American racial binary.

The story of the global Creole elite is not just a footnote in history; it is a living lineage of resistance, embodied by patriots who weaponized their status to carve out spaces of absolute freedom.

---

### The Blueprint of Freedom: Royalists vs. The Merchant Class

Before the chaos of the French Revolution, the treatment of African and mixed-race populations depended entirely on who held power in the metropole. Under the absolute monarchs of the House of Bourbon, colonial law was governed by a strict, centralized bureaucracy. While the *Code Noir* of 1685 legally classified enslaved people as property, it contained a crucial, radical paradox: once a slave was granted manumission by a royal official, they were legally elevated to the exact same status, rights, and privileges as a French-born subject.

This legal fluidity allowed a vibrant, highly educated, and wealthy class of free People of Color to emerge across the French Atlantic.

However, this royalist order faced a vicious enemy from within: the *Grand Blancs*. This faction was comprised of wealthy maritime merchants, plantation owners, and upwardly mobile Frenchmen who amassed fortunes in port cities like Bordeaux and Nantes. The *Grand Blancs* loathed royal interference and deeply envied the rising wealth of the Creole elite.

* **The Royalist Order (Bourbon)** ───> **Fluidity**: Allowed manumission & full Creole citizenship.
* **The Grand Blancs (Merchants)** ───> **The Binary**: Aligned with the English system of total segregation.

To maximize their profits, these French merchant groups systematically aligned themselves with the English colonial model. Unlike the French system, the Anglo-American binary recognized no middle ground; it was designed as a strict, permanent caste system where any trace of African ancestry meant total subjugation. The *Grand Blancs* adopted this harsh Anglo logic, pushing for local segregation laws that stripped Creoles of their titles, restricted their dress, and sought to crush their economic independence.

---

### The Cataclysm of 1802: The Peasant Backlash

The ultimate victory of the merchant class came in the wake of the French Revolution. When Napoleon Bonaparte seized power, he did so on the backs of a newly empowered French peasant class and the displaced colonial merchant lobbies.

In May 1802, this new regime executed the most brutal betrayal in Atlantic history: Napoleon officially reinstated slavery, revoked the citizenship rights of free Creoles, and instituted a hyper-bureaucratic, military-backed racial hierarchy. The fluid, royalist legal structures that had protected free People of Color for over a century were utterly demolished by this new wave of bourgeois French leadership.

---

### The Bourbon Legacy in the American South: The Natchez Free Community

Driven by these geopolitical shifts, elite Creole families took their traditions of autonomy and resistance deep into the territories of the American South. Among the most profound examples of this royalist Creole resistance is the lineage of **John Henri de France**, a dedicated patriot whose descendants carried the noble traditions of the Royal House of Bourbon into the Mississippi Valley.

* **The House of Bourbon**
└── **John Henri de France** (The Patriot)
└── **Charles de France, Sr.** (Creole Liberator of Natchez)
└── **Established Free People of Color Community**

His son, **Charles de France, Sr.**, operating as a proud Creole aristocrat, directly confronted the encroaching Anglo-American system in Natchez, Mississippi. In a region that was rapidly becoming the heart of the brutal American cotton empire—a system heavily backed by global merchant networks—Charles de France, Sr. utilized his wealth, status, and legal savvy to emancipate enslaved individuals.

By freeing slaves and shielding them from the harsh, binary laws of the American South, Charles de France, Sr., alongside a tight-knit network of fellow Creole elites, successfully established a sanctuary of free People of Color in Natchez. They did not merely survive within the hostile Anglo-American landscape; they built a highly autonomous, cultured, and self-sustaining community that stood as a direct defiance to the merchant-driven slave codes.

---

### Remembering the True Creole Resistance

When we look back at the variant treatment of enslaved people across the Americas, we must remember that the harshest brutalities did not stem from traditional European royalism, but from the unchecked greed of the mercantile classes who stripped humanity down to a balance sheet.

The legacy of the de France lineage and the Creole liberators of Natchez reminds us that even in the darkest eras of the plantation complex, the royal traditions of honor, autonomy, and universal dignity were weaponized by free People of Color to break the chains of a brutal binary system.

-

All this just to obfuscate the fact that ALL Louisiana Creoles of Color do have African blood, especially YOU!
I want us to clearly settle that point first BEFORE worrying about Liberians and Sierra Leoneans.

Like I said earlier, the one huge difference between you and them is that they embrace their African heritage. They don't foolishly say they're from some mysterious tan people from Palestine, or try to turn King Louis olive and have him living in New Orleans!😅

So I want you to clearly agree to these points:
1) You do have African blood
2) You are NOT from mysterious tan people from France or Palestine or anywhere else.
3) You were manufactured right there in Louisiana through white folks basically raping African women
4) The original 1685 Code Noir was the most evil legal monstrosity ever actually put to paper by man. If you know any other legal document more evil, let's hear it.

Once we agree on these points we can then go ahead to discuss Liberia and Sierra Leone and such!

*See the circled below: it is a roll of dice what they come out looking like today!

QuinQ:
All this just to obfuscate the fact that ALL Louisiana Creoles of Color do have African blood, especially YOU!
I want us to clearly settle that point first BEFORE worrying about Liberians and Sierra Leoneans.

Like I said earlier, the one huge difference between you and them is that they embrace their African heritage. They don't foolishly say they're from some mysterious tan people from Palestine, or try to turn King Louis olive and have him living in New Orleans!😅

So I want you to clearly agree to these points:
1) You do have African blood
2) You are NOT from mysterious tan people from France or Palestine or anywhere else.
3) You were manufactured right there in Louisiana through white folks basically raping African women
4) The original 1685 Code Noir was the most evil legal monstrosity ever actually put to paper by man. If you know any other legal document more evil, let's hear it.

Once we agree on these points we can then go ahead to discuss Liberia and Sierra Leone and such!

*See the circled below: it is a roll of dice what they come out looking like today!

Still trying to catch slaves.

QuinQQ:
So why do you thwart the natural order of things by wearing clothes, limiting number of births, flying in planes, etc. Why do we do things that enhance humanity??

Non of those has to do with the soul. You can't compare any of those to trying to alter the very DNA of man

QuinQQ:
Like I said, lucky guy, you. Keep projecting a good image for us. As for Secretbloodline, he has a totally warped view of things. Do you kmow he has never been anywhere near Africa. Everything he's misinforming about he got from print - print of the most dubious kinds!

Thanks.
Not at all surprised that he has never been to Africa. It is like say, you in Nigeria arguing with me sbout US based on what you read from books. Even World Cuop visitors were apologizing that they were lied to, that America is a great country.

DiarisGodoo:
Thanks.
Not at all surprised that he has never been to Africa. It is like say, you in Nigeria arguing with me sbout US based on what you read from books. Even World Cuop visitors were apologizing that they were lied to, that America is a great country.

I would consider myself illiterate if all these years I believed Slavery never existed in Sub Sahara Africa.

Secretbloodline:
Those Creoles that claim Black aren't Creoles. A Creole is a Frankish or Spanish male born in the New World, specifically J2 and G2a haplagroup. We are typically very light skinned although dark skin and fair skinned Creole males exist.

You are truly all mixed-up. That is an old, old definition applicable when Europeans were first moving to America. Spanish and French people born in America have long since stopped being called Creoles. Creoles now means Creoles of Color.
I told you I know these things intimately.

And you are correct the Anglos enforced the binary and inclusion of African Americans who are males of African E1b1ba and R1B Anglo into Creole communities. This is because of the shared family with the women. If the mother is Creole but the father is African American because of the matriarch culture of African American primary the child is labeled Creole. But trust me they're not Creoles and their spiritual inheritances are different from us who have the male lineage back to the Mediterranean Middle East. My forefathers have been Christians for almost since the time of Bishop Arias who lived in the 3rd century. My forefathers never raided and enslaved other people. That's the clear difference. Its not the look that I'm debating it's the spiritual bloodline. You clearly haven't understood my point that idolatry doesn't exist in my spirit and I have nothing against the physical qualities of West Africans.

You are not being truthful. Not at all. All my ex-girl's family are Creoles. We used to go to her elderly aunt and uncle's house (they were dark-skinned and spoke a certain language) and they would make us Gumbo and Jambalaya and Po' boy.

You apparently have issues with light skinned men. And this can be summed up as your ancestors were idolaters just like the British people whose ancestors judged people upon appearance alone

. I don't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about

Dark skinned men and women aren't Creoles by standard and they don't look like our French ancestors but light skinned men and women do. Fair skinned Creoles are not standard Creoles and don't look like our French ancestors. Once you get out of the lying mindset and accept that the image of France isn't white you'd understand. Until then keep your bloody oath.

This is like when you were talking about slavery in precolonial Nigeria. You seriously don't know what you're talking about.
When was the last time you were at the French Quarter? When was the last time you were at Mardi Gras? You really don't know what you are taking about.

Secretbloodline:
I would consider myself illiterate if all these years I believed Slavery never existed in Sub Sahara Africa.

Chattel slavery is totally alien to precolonial Nigeria. Even after Europeans introduced human trafficking (aka slavery trade) Nigerians still did not practice chattel slavery

DiarisGodoo:
Chattel slavery is totally alien to precolonial Nigeria. Even after Europeans introduced human trafficking (aka slavery trade) Nigerians still did not practice chattel slavery

Secretbloodline:

Did you read the book I told you to read? "Things Fall Apart". It will give you great insight into precolonial Nigeria, plus it is enjoyable to read

DiarisGodoo:
Did you read the book I told you to read? "Things Fall Apart". It will give you great insight into precolonial Nigeria, plus it is enjoyable to read

I have that book. It's part of a parable of West Africa. When things fall apart go back to where to fell and pick up the pieces. For you that means going back to your outright idol worshipping days and trace your Big Man curse to its root. Once you understand where you got off track you can jump on the train towards repentance. Good trip.

Secretbloodline:
I have that book. It's part of a parable of West Africa. When things fall apart go back to where to fell and pick up the pieces. For you that means going back to your outright idol worshipping days and trace your Big Man curse to its root. Once you understand where you got off track you can jump on the train towards repentance. Good trip.

What do you mean by this "big man" you.keep saying?
Shows you have never even opened the book - because the source of the title is written right on first page.
Actually Achebe took the title of his book from the 1919 poem "The Second Coming" by Irish poet W. B. Yeats. The famous third line of the poem reads: "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."

Title: "The Second Coming"
Author: William Butler Yeats (W. B. Yeats)
Written: 1919 (Published in 1920)
Famous Opening Lines Used by Achebe:
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world...

DiarisGodoo:
What do you mean by this "big man" you.keep saying?
Shows you have never even opened the book - because the source of the title is written right on first page.
Actually Achebe took the title of his book from the 1919 poem "The Second Coming" by Irish poet W. B. Yeats. The famous third line of the poem reads: "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."

Title: "The Second Coming"
Author: William Butler Yeats (W. B. Yeats)
Written: 1919 (Published in 1920)
Famous Opening Lines Used by Achebe:
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world...

Nonsense. Ya missing the entire point.

Picking Up the Pieces: In the Buddhist tradition, picking up the pieces does not mean gluing your old life back together. It means looking at the broken shards of your ego with compassion, learning from them, and using the raw vulnerability to become a more awake, open-hearted human being.

Secretbloodline:
Nonsense. Ya missing the entire point.

Picking Up the Pieces: In the Buddhist tradition, picking up the pieces does not mean gluing your old life back together. It means looking at the broken shards of your ego with compassion, learning from them, and using the raw vulnerability to become a more awake, open-hearted human being.

We are discussing a great book and the source of it's title - which you misattributed to African proverb. Where did all these extra stuff come from?

DiarisGodoo:
We are discussing a great book and the source of it's title - which you misattributed to African proverb. Where did all these extra stuff come from?

It's called thinking. I listen then I think about what you said. That simple Big Man.

Secretbloodline:
It's called thinking. I listen then I think about what you said. That simple Big Man.

Just go read the book, which completely describes Nigerian pre-colonial life, especially Igbo. It was never part of our culture for people to own other people.

DiarisGodoo:
Just go read the book, which completely describes Nigerian pre-colonial life, especially Igbo. It was never part of our culture for people to own other people.

Pre-colonial Igbo society was famously egalitarian and decentralized, yet historical evidence shows that various forms of servitude, pawnship, and holding human beings as dependents or collateral (ohu or osu) did exist within the social structure before European colonization.