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Poll: If a man refuses DNA test because he loves the child too much does that make him a simp?
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Secretbloodline: 1:03pm On Jul 29 |
CanadaOrBust:Louisiana's Creole population included a unique, prosperous class of free people of color (gens de couleur libres) who actively utilized local legal systems to secure the freedom of others. And let's not forget the Haitian Revolution was lead by Creoles not enslaved Africans but Creoles.
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by CanadaOrBust: 1:24pm On Jul 29 |
Secretbloodline:Not according to history, as shown below. Haitian revolution was by enslaved Africans. Even Toussaint Louverture was a slave who obtained his freedom
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by CanadaOrBust: 1:33pm On Jul 29 |
QuinQQ:I'd say him not wanting to know is simpish behavior. There is something not manly about it. Different if he knew for sure but decides to raise the child anyway |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 1:49pm On Jul 29 |
Secretbloodline:The post says she was owned by her grandfather and her father paid a lot of money to secure her freedom.. I disagree. All those refered to as Creoles today are mixed and all have African blood |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Secretbloodline: 2:21pm On Jul 29 |
DiarisGodoo:Admixture isn't the same as direct descent and you know it. The women mostly are your kin whom your ancestors captured, tortured, raped and sold to strangers. The merciful act that my Frankish ancestor did was set them free and raise them up as Catholics. We had no white Jesus worship because the Franks were not idol worshipers like the Anglos and Igbos. And yes I am comparing your traditions as the same pagan religion as the Anglos. The Anglos who colonized Nigeria and brought the White Jesus to you and Freemasonry..This is the same Prince Hall Freemasonry that you're so proudly defending it saying that he Prince Hall was a great man. You love all the evil people of history even defending the Igbo ancestors by saying that they didn't enslave other Igbos totally erasing their sins with lies. I can post other Igbos who admit the truth and end your lying easy. Keep going because you're useful to me by helping people see my words they can began to heal for the first time. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Secretbloodline: 2:26pm On Jul 29 |
CanadaOrBust:Toussaint Louverture was a Creole. Nearly every revolt to free slaves was lead by a Creole or Mulatto. There is no instance of a Sub Saharan African ever risking his life to stop slavery where it was a celebrated custom. The Sub Saharan African had no issue with enslaving or owning slaves so as long as it wasn't him or her who was the victim. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 2:53pm On Jul 29 |
Secretbloodline:Good write-up, but almost everything you wrote is in your head and has nothing to so with real life here in the America. Maybe there's no such thing as race in your head but there is definitely race in everyday American life and it is/was on that basis that some people caught real hell and also on that basis that wealth was unfairly distributed and passed down through the generations. Some people worked while others collected proceeds of their labor and passed it down to their descendants to this day. What I notice is that you don't have a sense of fairness or morality of things. Your only concern is that this distant relative of yours was wealthy and it becomes something to brag about, or that distant relative of yours was enslaved and it becomes something to be ashamed of and you deny them being your relative. Here in America "black" doesn't mean all you said. Neither does white mean pure or any such thing. Neither does brown have any such conotation. They're simply convenient ways of denoting different groups of people. That's all. Creoles and non Creoles alike paid to free their enslaved family members. Nobody randomly bought enslaved people just to free them. That's not true. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Secretbloodline: 3:09pm On Jul 29 |
DiarisGodoo:My great great great uncle Charles de France sr did just that, he bought slaves to work at the de France house and set them free. You can imagine men fighting and dying in the Civil War to end Slavery but you cannot imagine anyone buying slaves to set them free? Maybe if your ancestors fought to end Slavery instead of celebrating it then your imagination would not be so closed shut. But we see the world how we see ourselves. This is another lesson for souls to heal. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 3:12pm On Jul 29 |
Secretbloodline:You're all mixed up partly out of pure ignorance and partly out of not being able to face the truth. No, it was the Catholics that brought white Jesus and still worship that to this day, including here in America. I am an Anglican. We don’t have graven images in our churches as the bible commands. Catholic churches, including here in America, are full of statues of various saints that they pray to and light candles to - exactly as our traditional idol worshippers. So bring any person that will say there was chattel slavery in Igbo land. You were told to go read a book that thoroughly describes precolonial Igbo life and customs, "Things Fall Apart". See if you'd see any chattel slavery there. I don't know what you mean by admixture is not descent. All I know is that all Creoles here in Louisiana and US as a whole have African blood. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 4:00pm On Jul 29 |
Secretbloodline:More ignorance. The civil war was not fought to end slavery but to preserve the Union. Your cruel and greedy great, great... "uncle" would not buy and free anybody if his life depended on it. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Secretbloodline: 4:05pm On Jul 29 |
DiarisGodoo:Exactly. So that means Creoles were the only people who freed your ancestors out of religious piety. And your willingness to black wash us or white wash us is rooted in spiritual and moral envy because your ancestors enslaved them. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by CanadaOrBust: 4:34pm On Jul 29 |
Secretbloodline:You say whatever comes to your head. ![]() Louverture was a full-blooded African. He was a Creole but not in the same sense that you are. He had no European blood. Read all below
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 4:57pm On Jul 29 |
Secretbloodline:Exactly? ![]() You just said the civil war was fought to end slavery. My ancestors were not enslaved, and if they were I'd be proud they survived it. Yours were enslaved, but instead of being proud you're ashamed and denying they were part of your ancestry. I told you I live right here in Creole country. What exactly is your definition of Creole? |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Secretbloodline: 5:31pm On Jul 29 |
CanadaOrBust:Pure lies. If you're not white washing you're black washing. The checkered floor and binary caste of British Freemasonry is your death oath. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Secretbloodline: 5:31pm On Jul 29 |
DiarisGodoo:================================================================================ THE ARCHITECTURE OF DIVINE BETRAYAL: VERSAILLES TO AROCHUKWU ================================================================================ History is frequently written from the top down—a grand tapestry of institutional edicts, papal bulls, and royal decrees. Yet, when we dismantle the official narratives and examine the raw mechanics of power, a chillingly universal blueprint of human nature emerges. Whether in the gilded halls of 17th-century Europe or the dense rainforests of West Africa, absolute authority has rarely been achieved through sheer military might alone. True, absolute control requires a shadow-government of zealots who can manipulate the spiritual landscape, weaponizing the deep-seated beliefs of a population to police, exploit, and betray their own people. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I. THE ANATOMY OF A ROYAL TRAP: VERSAILLES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For centuries, France was legally and spiritually bound to Roman Catholicism, proudly bearing the title of "The Eldest Daughter of the Church." This deep identity began with Clovis I, King of the Franks, who baptized his nation into the Catholic faith around 496 AD. To the French Crown, to be truly French was to be Catholic. When the French Reformed Church arose, demanding an internal cleansing of institutional corruption, the establishment weaponized language. They did not call these reformers the "Reformed Church"; they labeled them "Protestants"—a derogatory political insult designed to frame holy reform as secular treason. Enter the ultimate psychological trap, mirrored brilliantly in modern storytelling through King Tommen Baratheon’s fatal alliance with the High Sparrow in Game of Thrones: * THE ILLUSION OF CONTROL: King Louis XIV, obsessed with absolute power, allowed his Jesuit confessors—including Father François de la Chaise—to whisper into his ear. They flattered his ego, convincing him that an absolute monarch must enforce a single, absolute religion. * THE WEAPONIZATION OF GUILT: Plagued by political paranoia and spiritual anxiety over his personal sins, Louis XIV was manipulated into signing the Edict of Fontainebleau in 1685. He tore up the royal protections of his ancestors, thinking he was cementing his legacy. In reality, he had handed the reins of the state to a shadow-government of zealots. * THE INTIMATE BETRAYAL: For families like the De Frances of French Flanders, this was a profound, personal betrayal by their sovereign. Under the shadow of the state-enforced religious police (the Dragonnades), Jean de France made a desperate choice. To protect his faith and save his ten-year-old son, John Henry, from being forcibly taken by the state, he fled the kingdom in secret—risking a lifetime of slave labor in the galleys to seek the absolute religious freedom of Pennsylvania. The ultimate poetic justice arrived decades later in 1764. Exhausted by the internal divisions, legal warfare, and financial scandals engineered by this untouchable religious order, King Louis XV finally realized the depth of the trap and officially exiled the Jesuits from France "for the sake of the peace of my kingdom." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- II. THE SACRED ENGINE OF EXPLOITATION: THE ARO ORACLE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Across the Atlantic, along the Atlantic façade of Europe, the Basque people— cousins to the Celts—shared a profound ancestral heritage with the Anglo-Saxons. Their pre-Christian traditions were deeply intertwined with nature, sacred landscapes, and seasonal cycles. When the Reformation exploded, the Anglos fought Rome from the outside. The Basques, through Ignatius of Loyola, took the opposite path: they integrated themselves directly into the heart of Roman power, establishing the Jesuits and using their proximity to the Vatican as leverage to shield their own regional autonomy. Yet, this dynamic of utilizing a monopoly over the "voice of the divine" to run a covert political and economic empire is not unique to Europe. It finds an exact, devastating parallel in southeastern Nigeria through the rise of the Aro Confederacy. Just as European monarchs and citizens deferred to the Vatican out of a deep reverence for salvation, the populations of the Niger Delta deferred to Ibini Ukpabi (known to Europeans as the "Long Juju" —a highly revered oracle housed in a hidden cave complex at Arochukwu. THE BLUEPRINT OF RELIGIOUS MONOPOLY EUROPEAN APPARATUS WEST AFRICAN APPARATUS ┌─────────────────────────┐ ┌─────────────────────────┐ │ THE VATICAN │ │ IBINI UKPABI ORACLE │ │ (Absolute Supreme Court│ │ (Absolute Supreme Court│ │ of Spiritual Dogma) │ │ of Regional Justice) │ └────────────┬────────────┘ └────────────┬────────────┘ │ │ ▼ ▼ ┌─────────────────────────┐ ┌─────────────────────────┐ │ JESUIT ORDER │ │ ARO PRIESTHOOD │ │ (Shadow-Government/ │ │ (Shadow-Government/ │ │ Royal Confessors) │ │ Mercenary Merchants) │ └────────────┬────────────┘ └────────────┬────────────┘ │ │ ▼ ▼ ┌─────────────────────────┐ ┌─────────────────────────┐ │ RELIGIOUS POLICE │ │ TUNNELS OF DISAPPEARANCE│ │ (Forced Conversions, │ │ (Falsified Verdicts, │ │ Galley Slave Labor) │ │ Transatlantic Slavery) │ └─────────────────────────┘ └─────────────────────────┘ The mechanics of the Aro Oracle operated with the same cold, systemic betrayal: 1. THE SUPREME COURT ILLUSION: The Aro priests did not conquer through military might; they positioned the oracle as the region's final, unappealable court for land disputes, warfare, and legal judgments. 2. THE FALSIFIED VERDICTS: When the oracle found an individual "guilty," the community was told the gods had literally devoured the sinner. In truth, it was a highly sophisticated commercial front. The victims were blindfolded, stripped, and secretly marched out of a hidden rear exit in the caves that connected directly to river routes. 3. SELLING THEIR OWN KIND: As the transatlantic slave trade boomed, the Aro priesthood actively engineered disputes, framed innocent families, and labeled political rivals as "abominations" purely to feed the international market, selling their own kind to European ships at coastal ports like Bonny and Calabar. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONCLUSION: THE UNIVERSAL PLAYBOOK -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Facts and institutional conclusions are often two different things. An archival record can show a signature on a document, but it cannot measure the depths of human survival, compliance, or fear. When we look past the specific names and geographies, the historical playbook remains identical. The tragedy of human history is that the most profound betrayals—whether a French king hunting his own subjects to appease his confessors, or an African elite utilizing a sacred shrine to traffic their own people—are almost always carried out under the banner of the divine.
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by CanadaOrBust: 6:17pm On Jul 29 |
Secretbloodline:So direct us to contrary research that says Toussaint Louverture was half white like you and Haitian revolution led by Mulattos. ![]() Oh, speaking of Freemasonry, read below
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Secretbloodline: 7:13pm On Jul 29 |
CanadaOrBust:Toussaint Louverture is a French name and surname, he spoke several European languages and read and wrote Latin. How would an European illiterate African slave acquire such education when he was toiling in tobacco fields? And I'm not saying West Africans were illiterate only in European culture and language they were illiterate, West Africans had their own forms of literacy but in their own culture and languages. And finally show us any African groups that rose up and rebellion against Slavery? Find one Toussaint Louverture in West African history? You can't because you and I know it does not exist. Slavery was celebrated in West Africa and it was apart of your ancestors religion. Freedom of religion. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by CanadaOrBust: 7:46pm On Jul 29 |
Secretbloodline:I have noticed you are very UNTEACHABLE. When someone reveals something you didn't know instead of delving to know more, you immediately lebel it a lie and start posting funny-looking paintings of King Louis. You have now been shown that Toussaint was 100% African like the rest of the rebels, and a Freemason Instead of researching to know more you'd start posting drawings. You don't know yet refuse to be taught. You have been shown that Toussaint was a Creole in the sense that he was born in the colonies but he was 100% African, both parents enslaved Africans meaning he was born into Slavery, but he later freed himself and became quite wealthy. Try to be a bit more teachable. Google Nigerian women's war. Google exile of Oba of Benin, Google the number of Africans and African kings killed and exiled resisting Europeans. Stop saying things you don't know |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Secretbloodline: 9:02pm On Jul 29 |
CanadaOrBust:I'm talking about the Freemasonry black washing that your lodge does and sworn you too. Toussaint was no African. And his being a Freemason clearly is something that I haven't researched but I have my doubts. You're making him into a Freemason is really quite bias but whatever. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 10:32pm On Jul 29 |
Secretbloodline:How can someone be comparing the Catholic Church with inconsequential Aro? There are five Igbo states. Aro happens to be in my own state yet it is so inconsequential in impact that we know almost nothing about it in my area. This is like using the activities of one masonic lodge you happen to chance upon in US as representative of US. This is what happens when people talk from reading books instead of direct experience. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by CanadaOrBust: 10:43pm On Jul 29 |
Secretbloodline:See how you were INTENTIONALLY miseducated? You went through all those years of education into old age believing until TODAY that the Haitian Revolution was led by mixed-race folks, not knowing Toussaint was 100% African like all the rest of them. Now apply that to everything else you think you know! |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Kobojunkie: 11:08pm On Jul 29 |
DiarisGodoo:1. The catholic church may have brought Christianity to your particular part of Africa. However, the stories and Gospel of Jesus Christ(not to be confused with Christianity) were already in Africa from about 1900 years ago, right from the first century. The religion of Christianity came later on around the early 2nd century AD(1800 years ago), before it was then decimated by the violent colonization of North Africa by Islamic invaders who then remained beginning about 1400 years ago. 😐😐 2. The book, Things Fall Apart, was never meant to be read as a historical guide. On Slavery, it was legal, normal, and practiced by people across all ethnicities. 😐😐 3. The ancestors of the Creoles were Africans who were captured and sold as slaves to the Americans. Those who captured and profited from their sale were fellow Africans, some likely from the same ethnic group. Before you go claiming them as your own, be reminded that your ancestors were probably among those who rejected them, collecting material profit for each head.😐😐 |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Secretbloodline: 11:16pm On Jul 29 |
CanadaOrBust:No, I believed the lies that he was an African then I realized that you just don't have it in you. You suffer from spiritual and moral envy because these are the things you covet. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Secretbloodline: 11:53pm On Jul 29 |
Kobojunkie:My mother's family fled Ethiopian Civil War in 1855 to Egypt then to the United States. Ethiopians have been Christians since around the 4th century and a few groups before in Ethiopia. On my forefathers side the de France have been Christians since the time of Bishop Arias. My bloodline has never been pagan, never Anglos, never African and my story is 100 percent true. Let's look scientifically at the claims. 1. Mediterranean Middle Eastern people are haplagroups J1, J2 and G2a, they are not Anglos or Africans. Mediterranean Middle Eastern people are a brown to yellow but not pale. 2. Creole men are mostly J1, J2 and G2a haplagroup.. 3. African Americans who came from West African slaves sold to Anglos E1b1ba Sub Saharan African and many are now R1B haplagroup the bloodline of Anglo male slave owners. 4. Creole women are mostly L1, L2 and L3 maternal haplagroup with some having Native American maternal ancestry. Creoles are men are not the descent of Africans or Igbos. We are not the descendants of the British. Ignoring these scientific facts are deliberately done out of spiritual and moral envy. I came to this conclusion after thoroughly observing Igbos and African Americans parade to the world that they're the true Israelites. Look at the science, that's all I present. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 12:02am On Jul 30 |
Secretbloodline:He's still talking, even with egg on his face! How many times have you said here that the revolution was not by enslaved Africans but Mulattos? And the only reason you even heard about it at all is that it happened over there. If it had happened here they'd have totally suppressed it OR put a spin on it whereby the French, in their infinite good-heartedness, magnanimously granted them independence instead of wipping them off with their superior fire power. And that's what will be in text books and it will make sense to anybody reading it, yet it is a total LIE! |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by CanadaOrBust: 12:05am On Jul 30 |
Secretbloodline:Please stop already. You're way too old to be talking like this! |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by CanadaOrBust: 12:09am On Jul 30 |
QuinQ:Exactly. Same way they suppressed so many things or put a spin on them, like the Nigerian Women's war and so many other successful and daring revolts |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 12:16am On Jul 30 |
CanadaOrBust:Secretbloodline, you're very old but you're NOT totally senile yet. You're not too old to use Google! |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 12:21am On Jul 30 |
CanadaOrBust:You have a point but I believe love trumps all |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 12:24am On Jul 30 |
DiarisGodoo:I think he's just too set in his ways, old age and all ![]() |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by CanadaOrBust: 12:25am On Jul 30 |
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You love all the evil people of history even defending the Igbo ancestors by saying that they didn't enslave other Igbos totally erasing their sins with lies. I can post other Igbos who admit the truth and end your lying easy.
—a highly revered oracle