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WatchYourSix:
Go and read ur last comment …:u did bring up abortion regulation as a need to also regulate paternity test…. Ur style of dialogue is nauseating ..
Its like u have run out of reasons to justify your ideology so u just look for anything to say..

Pple actually just divorce and go their way…. So what are u saying again... ?? Are u on some type of weed

So scratch abortion. Focus on divorce. To be recognized as divorced and free to marry again you must go through a court process and at the end be awarded a certificate of divorce. Same way, you'd be given a document that says you can proceed with DNA test.

QuinQ:
You saying all this so you can avoid having to tell us exactly how they were able to collect DNA from LOST Tribes of Israel when they sojourned in Egypt some 4000 years ago!

You're not Egyptians. Egyptian are light skinned North Africans who are E1b1b. The Egyptians were conquered by the Nubians who are today's Sudanese people. The Nubians are Sub Saharan Africans of the E1ba1a and they are the fathers of all Sub Saharan Africans, Nubians are the largest tribe in Africa. You dismiss the light skinned North Africans as mixed race invaders but you are wrong. Pan Africans are wrong for labeling North Africans are Middle Eastern.

Igbos genetically are Sub Saharan Africans E1ba1ba haplagroup and the women are maternal haplagroup L1, L2 and L3. African Americans, Jamaicans and Haitians all came from West Africa. No where else did they come. If you came from the Middle East it would be documented and recorded even in oral history it would be recorded. But oral history can be unreliable so if you are Hebrew then where is your writing system?

QuinQ:
So scratch abortion. Focus on divorce. To be recognized as divorced and free to marry again you must go through a court process and at the end be awarded a certificate of divorce. Same way, you'd be given a document that says you can proceed with DNA test.

U are on a very strong kind of weed…

QuinQQ:
Oh, didn't even know you replied.
God Almighty of course. Father of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
You always lose this argument, so don't start.

That God doesn't exist so no I have no fears concerning it.

Always? When have you and I discussed it before?

DiarisGodoo:
➜See it spelt out for you below, Mr Stubborn. I posted to you screenshots explaining everything. See them again below

Why do you keep reposting this nonsense from equally ignorant sources when you can look up the facts for yourself, same as everyone else? 🥱🥱

⚉Again, the Father of the Hebrews, Eber, was Abraham's great-great-great-great-grandfather (5 generations before Abraham)

21 Shem was Japheth’s older brother. One of Shem’s descendants was Eber, the father of all the Hebrew people. - Genesis 10 vs 21.

Not once was Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob ever referred to as Israelites or Jews in all of the Books of Israelite Scripture where their stories are recorded.
⚉ The direct father and namesake of the Israelites is Jacob (later named Israel), who is the son of Isaac and the grandson of Abraham.

6 Then Jacob left Beersheba and traveled to Egypt. His sons, the sons of Israel, brought their father, their wives, and all their children to Egypt. They traveled in the wagons the Pharaoh had sent. - Genesis 46 vs 6

⚉ The first record of the word Jews in the Tanakh is from the book of Ezra and was used in reference to the people of Judah, a nation that was formed after the death of Solomon of the Israelites from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. 🥱🥱

4 So the enemies began to discourage them and tried to frighten them in order to stop them from building the Temple.
5 These enemies hired government officials to work against the people of Judah. The officials constantly did things to stop the Jews’ plans to build the Temple. This continued the whole time that Cyrus was the king until Darius became the king of Persia.
6 These enemies even wrote letters to the king of Persia trying to stop the Jews. They wrote a letter the year that Xerxes became the king of Persia. - Ezra 4 vs 4-6

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As for the meaning of the word Chattel, I think it is arrogance at this point, also holding you back from embracing the reality of things. If Taqiyyah is your game, I prefer not to play anymore. 🥱🥱

Royaldescent:
You're not Egyptians. Egyptian are light skinned North Africans who are E1b1b. The Egyptians were conquered by the Nubians who are today's Sudanese people. The Nubians are Sub Saharan Africans of the E1ba1a and they are the fathers of all Sub Saharan Africans, Nubians are the largest tribe in Africa. You dismiss the light skinned North Africans as mixed race invaders but you are wrong. Pan Africans are wrong for labeling North Africans are Middle Eastern.

Igbos genetically are Sub Saharan Africans E1ba1ba haplagroup and the women are maternal haplagroup L1, L2 and L3. African Americans, Jamaicans and Haitians all came from West Africa. No where else did they come. If you came from the Middle East it would be documented and recorded even in oral history it would be recorded. But oral history can be unreliable so if you are Hebrew then where is your writing system?

The Igbos (which I emphatically am NOT!) say they came from Israel, and they're the only ones who make that claim in West Africa. My people encountered Europeans before the Igbos but we KNOW we didn't come from Israel!
Now, EVERYTHING aligns with Igbos being Israelites who came from Egypt or at least seriously mixing with such people. Their oral tradition, their language, their customs, their religion, etc. EVERY SINGLE THING EXCEPT DNA aligns with that!
So produce how people got samples of DNA of (now LOST) Israelites who sojourned in Egypt 4000 years ago and how they tested every single Igbo person against such DNA to find out that non of them was a match! That's what you should focus on doing NOT Ifa oracle.

* BTW about your new moniker, you should use something more accurate, like "LouisianaCreole".
That'll be honest, and much more descriptive!

LordReed:
That God doesn't exist so no I have no fears concerning it.

Always? When have you and I discussed it before?

Not me personally, but I've read you arguing it with people.
They always defeat you by telling you there has to be a first cause that has no cause that is entirely outside our existence. Otherwise how do you explain existence?!

DMCA:
tell am
as for me, if i no be biological papa, i no want be anybody papa

Yo! Hornƴ guy. What happened to you??
You no longer want colour of my pants?

WatchYourSix:
U are on a very strong kind of weed…

If you have nothing to counter his argument, say the other guy is on weed!

Royaldescent:
Japhet, Ham, Shem

You profess to staunchly believe DNA is infallible yet keep posting this "Ham, Shem, and Japhet" stuff!
Read below!

QuinQ:
The Igbos (which I emphatically am NOT!) say they came from Israel, and they're the only ones who make that claim in West Africa. My people encountered Europeans before the Igbos but we KNOW we didn't come from Israel!
Now, EVERYTHING aligns with Igbos being Israelites who came from Egypt or at least seriously mixing with such people. Their oral tradition, their language, their customs, their religion, etc. EVERY SINGLE THING EXCEPT DNA aligns with that!
So produce how people got samples of DNA of (now LOST) Israelites who sojourned in Egypt 4000 years ago and how they tested every single Igbo person against such DNA to find out that non of them was a match! That's what you should focus on doing NOT Ifa oracle.

* BTW about your new moniker, you should use something more accurate, like "LouisianaCreole".
That'll be honest, and much more descriptive!

My assessment aligns closely with the principles of population genetics and historical demographics. In Sub-Saharan Africa, as in many other parts of the world, small migrating groups historically became absorbed into larger, established populations over long periods.

Mechanisms of Population Absorption
Asymmetric Gene Flow: Historical conflicts and slave raiding frequently resulted in the capture of women as forced concubines or wives. This practice introduces maternal DNA into the dominant host population while dismantling the distinct social and genetic structures of the smaller group.

The Genetic Swamping Effect: When a small population mates with a significantly larger population over dozens of generations, the unique genetic markers of the smaller group become highly diluted. Without strict, continuous isolation, their distinct genetic signature eventually disappears into the regional gene pool.


Male Lineage Replacement: If a migrant group faces high mortality among its males due to warfare or subjugation, the remaining females are typically absorbed by the dominant local male population. This rapidly replaces the original paternal lineages (Y-chromosomes) within a few generations.


Exceptions to the Rule
For an outside group to maintain genetic isolation over thousands of years, very specific and rigid cultural mechanisms must be present:

Strict Endogamy: The group must enforce a powerful religious or cultural prohibition against marrying anyone outside their community.


Continuous Geographic Isolation: The population must remain physically segregated from neighboring groups, such as living in remote mountainous regions or deep deserts, preventing routine interaction.


The Example of the Beta Israel: The Beta Israel (Ethiopian Jews) maintained a distinct religious and cultural identity for centuries. However, genetic studies indicate that they are highly similar to neighboring Ethiopian populations, demonstrating that while they successfully preserved their cultural isolation, significant genetic mixing still occurred over the millennia.


If you are interested in exploring this topic further, I can provide more details. Would you like to look into:

What genetic studies reveal about specific African populations with oral traditions of Jewish descent?


How Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA are used to trace ancient migrations?
Specific historical examples of strict endogamy successfully preserving genetic markers?





Genetic studies prove that the Igbo people possess 98% to 100% West African DNA, clustering tightly with other Niger-Congo-speaking populations. Comprehensive genetic tests, including an extensive DNA sampling project conducted in Nigeria, found zero Middle Eastern or Jewish genetic markers among the Igbo.


If we assume a historical scenario where a small group of ancient Middle Eastern migrants once integrated into the early Igbo population, their total genetic disappearance can be explained by specific mathematical and biological processes of population absorption.


1. The Mathematical Reality of Dilution (The Wave Effect)

If a small migrant population integrates into a much larger indigenous population, its genetic markers are exponentially halved with every generation of random mating outside the group.

Generation 1: An offspring of a migrant and a local has 50% migrant DNA.
Generation 5: The proportion drops to roughly 3.1%.

Generation 10 (approx. 250 years): The proportion drops to less than 0.1%.
Over 2,000–3,000 Years: Over nearly 100 generations of intermarriage with a massive West African population, any unique autosomal DNA segments from a tiny group of outsiders would become completely erased or too fragmented for modern commercial DNA kits to detect.

2. Complete Replacement of Parental Lineages
Unlike autosomal DNA (which mixes), Y-chromosome DNA (paternal) and Mitochondrial DNA (maternal) are passed down completely intact. If a group maintains isolation, these markers remain. However, the Igbo show purely sub-Saharan lineages:

The Paternal Line (Y-DNA): The vast majority of Igbo males belong to the E1b1a1 (M2) and E1a haplogroups. These are deeply rooted West African lineages. Middle Eastern or Israelite populations are characterized by haplogroups like J1, J2, or T.


The Absorption Mechanism: If a small band of ancient male migrants arrived without women, they would marry local women. Their sons would carry Middle Eastern Y-DNA. However, if those sons faced high mortality or low reproductive success compared to the larger local population over millennia, or if local men later dominated the lineage, those outside Y-chromosomes could completely die out by chance via genetic drift.

3. Contrast with the Lemba People
To understand why the Igbo show zero Middle Eastern DNA, it is helpful to compare them to the Lemba people of Zimbabwe and South Africa.

The Lemba also possess an oral history of Jewish descent.

Unlike the Igbo, genetic testing of Lemba men revealed a high frequency of the Cohanim Modal Haplotype, a specific Y-chromosome marker common among Jewish populations.
The Lemba retained this genetic trace because they enforced strict endogamy (marrying strictly within the group) and severe social taboos against outside marriage. The absence of similar markers among the Igbo indicates that their ancestors did not maintain a strictly isolated, endogamous breeding pool over thousands of years.


4. Why the Israelite Narrative Exists
The strong cultural identification with Israel among the Igbo did not emerge from ancient genetics, but rather from convergent evolution and colonial history:
Cultural Parallelism: Pre-colonial Igbo practices like male circumcision, levirate marriage, and certain purification rituals naturally mirrored ancient Near Eastern customs. These are common traits among many independent, agrarian societies worldwide.


The Colonial Pivot: When British missionaries introduced the Hebrew Bible in the 19th century, Igbo intellectuals noticed these striking cultural parallels and adopted the "Lost Tribes of Israel" framework to explain their origins and resist colonial cultural erasure.

QuinQ:
If you have nothing to counter his argument, say the other guy is on weed!

argument?? U call this an argument ?? Come on man..
Mayb u haven’t noticed, Dialoguing with u is a bit nauseating ….U juxtapose and equate things with no logical basis…

first it was …”the way we control abortion same way let’s control pple from checking if they actually birthed their own child” …then u said leave abortion

Next is ….the way we give document for marriage dissolution, let’s start giving certificate to pple to allow them test they were not defrauded by their wives or the hospital..

I mean .. what are u gonna pull next?? ……. “The way we control sachet alcohol …same way, let’s control pple from checking they were not defrauded by their wives or by the hospital…

U seem like a bored individual who just needs strangers to engage you….but your arguments are weird.. gosh !!

QuinQ:
Not me personally, but I've read you arguing it with people.
They always defeat you by telling you there has to be a first cause that has no cause that is entirely outside our existence. Otherwise how do you explain existence?!

LoLz. Just say the first cause argument appeals to you.

Tell me why the first cause cannot be the universe itself or any other thing that is not a being.

Kobojunkie:
Why do you keep reposting this nonsense from equally ignorant sources when you can look up the facts for yourself, same as everyone else? 🥱🥱

⚉Again, the Father of the Hebrews, Eber, was Abraham's great-great-great-great-grandfather (5 generations before Abraham)
Not once was Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob ever referred to as Israelites or Jews in all of the Books of Israelite Scripture where their stories are recorded.
⚉ The direct father and namesake of the Israelites is Jacob (later named Israel), who is the son of Isaac and the grandson of Abraham.

⚉ The first record of the word Jews in the Tanakh is from the book of Ezra and was used in reference to the people of Judah, a nation that was formed after the death of Solomon of the Israelites from the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. 🥱🥱

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As for the meaning of the word Chattel, I think it is arrogance at this point, also holding you back from embracing the reality of things. If Taqiyyah is your game, I prefer not to play anymore. 🥱🥱

I'll keep reposting the "nonsense" till stubborn people get it. . They are not from ignorant sources. This is the kind of research that used to take months of diligent work to do. It is info from the most relevant and most reliable sources.
● That's not how language works. Language is by USAGE. Example, an American used to mean someone from the Americas but today (entirely from usage) it means someone from US only.
Same way, TODAY Jew is synonymous with Israelite and Hebrew.
● There was no chattel slavery in my part of Igbo land and villages around us and the type of chattel slavery that existed in America never existed anywhere in Nigeria pre-colonial.

Royaldescent:
My assessment aligns closely with the principles of population genetics and historical demographics. In Sub-Saharan Africa, as in many other parts of the world, small migrating groups historically became absorbed into larger, established populations over long periods.

Mechanisms of Population Absorption
Asymmetric Gene Flow: Historical conflicts and slave raiding frequently resulted in the capture of women as forced concubines or wives. This practice introduces maternal DNA into the dominant host population while dismantling the distinct social and genetic structures of the smaller group.

The Genetic Swamping Effect: When a small population mates with a significantly larger population over dozens of generations, the unique genetic markers of the smaller group become highly diluted. Without strict, continuous isolation, their distinct genetic signature eventually disappears into the regional gene pool.


Male Lineage Replacement: If a migrant group faces high mortality among its males due to warfare or subjugation, the remaining females are typically absorbed by the dominant local male population. This rapidly replaces the original paternal lineages (Y-chromosomes) within a few generations.


Exceptions to the Rule
For an outside group to maintain genetic isolation over thousands of years, very specific and rigid cultural mechanisms must be present:

Strict Endogamy: The group must enforce a powerful religious or cultural prohibition against marrying anyone outside their community.


Continuous Geographic Isolation: The population must remain physically segregated from neighboring groups, such as living in remote mountainous regions or deep deserts, preventing routine interaction.


The Example of the Beta Israel: The Beta Israel (Ethiopian Jews) maintained a distinct religious and cultural identity for centuries. However, genetic studies indicate that they are highly similar to neighboring Ethiopian populations, demonstrating that while they successfully preserved their cultural isolation, significant genetic mixing still occurred over the millennia.


If you are interested in exploring this topic further, I can provide more details. Would you like to look into:

What genetic studies reveal about specific African populations with oral traditions of Jewish descent?


How Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA are used to trace ancient migrations?
Specific historical examples of strict endogamy successfully preserving genetic markers?





Genetic studies prove that the Igbo people possess 98% to 100% West African DNA, clustering tightly with other Niger-Congo-speaking populations. Comprehensive genetic tests, including an extensive DNA sampling project conducted in Nigeria, found zero Middle Eastern or Jewish genetic markers among the Igbo.


If we assume a historical scenario where a small group of ancient Middle Eastern migrants once integrated into the early Igbo population, their total genetic disappearance can be explained by specific mathematical and biological processes of population absorption.


1. The Mathematical Reality of Dilution (The Wave Effect)

If a small migrant population integrates into a much larger indigenous population, its genetic markers are exponentially halved with every generation of random mating outside the group.

Generation 1: An offspring of a migrant and a local has 50% migrant DNA.
Generation 5: The proportion drops to roughly 3.1%.

Generation 10 (approx. 250 years): The proportion drops to less than 0.1%.
Over 2,000–3,000 Years: Over nearly 100 generations of intermarriage with a massive West African population, any unique autosomal DNA segments from a tiny group of outsiders would become completely erased or too fragmented for modern commercial DNA kits to detect.

2. Complete Replacement of Parental Lineages
Unlike autosomal DNA (which mixes), Y-chromosome DNA (paternal) and Mitochondrial DNA (maternal) are passed down completely intact. If a group maintains isolation, these markers remain. However, the Igbo show purely sub-Saharan lineages:

The Paternal Line (Y-DNA): The vast majority of Igbo males belong to the E1b1a1 (M2) and E1a haplogroups. These are deeply rooted West African lineages. Middle Eastern or Israelite populations are characterized by haplogroups like J1, J2, or T.


The Absorption Mechanism: If a small band of ancient male migrants arrived without women, they would marry local women. Their sons would carry Middle Eastern Y-DNA. However, if those sons faced high mortality or low reproductive success compared to the larger local population over millennia, or if local men later dominated the lineage, those outside Y-chromosomes could completely die out by chance via genetic drift.

3. Contrast with the Lemba People
To understand why the Igbo show zero Middle Eastern DNA, it is helpful to compare them to the Lemba people of Zimbabwe and South Africa.

The Lemba also possess an oral history of Jewish descent.

Unlike the Igbo, genetic testing of Lemba men revealed a high frequency of the Cohanim Modal Haplotype, a specific Y-chromosome marker common among Jewish populations.
The Lemba retained this genetic trace because they enforced strict endogamy (marrying strictly within the group) and severe social taboos against outside marriage. The absence of similar markers among the Igbo indicates that their ancestors did not maintain a strictly isolated, endogamous breeding pool over thousands of years.


4. Why the Israelite Narrative Exists
The strong cultural identification with Israel among the Igbo did not emerge from ancient genetics, but rather from convergent evolution and colonial history:
Cultural Parallelism: Pre-colonial Igbo practices like male circumcision, levirate marriage, and certain purification rituals naturally mirrored ancient Near Eastern customs. These are common traits among many independent, agrarian societies worldwide.


The Colonial Pivot: When British missionaries introduced the Hebrew Bible in the 19th century, Igbo intellectuals noticed these striking cultural parallels and adopted the "Lost Tribes of Israel" framework to explain their origins and resist colonial cultural erasure.

It is really laughable how you hang onto highly theoretical and speculative science as gospel Who performed the large-scale experiment that collected the DNA of a group thousands of years ago, integrated the group into another group, collected their DNA again, then compared it to DNA from thousands of years before? Answer: Nobody!

My people got the Bible and had intercourse with Europeans before the Igbos, so it is clearly not from that. Even enslaved Igbos carried the "from Israel" oral tradition to America.
Even the name "Igbo" is said to be corruption of the name "Hebrew". And the name "Eri", son of Gad who was said to have left Egypt and founded Igbos, his name is all over Igbo land (see below). Plus a thousand other things, all pointing to same thing!

LordReed:
LoLz. Just say the first cause argument appeals to you.

Tell me why the first cause cannot be the universe itself or any other thing that is not a being.

In traditional philosophy and cosmology, the universe cannot be the first cause because it had a physical beginning, is bound by time and space, and undergoes constant change, meaning it requires an external and timeless origin rather than being self-generated.

Modern cosmology shows that space, time, and matter began with the Big Bang roughly 13.8 billion years ago. All physicists agree that our universe started to expand about 14 billion years ago,” Because it came into being, it cannot be eternal or uncaused.

Also, Physical matter depends on prior conditions and physical laws to exist, meaning it is "contingent" rather than self-sustaining or necessary. : A true first cause must be timeless, spaceless, and changeless to avoid an infinite regress of dependent events. As observed in classical philosophy, “The universe simply cannot be the uncaused first cause because it is filled with potentiality and change.”
Something cannot bring itself into existence because it would have to exist prior to its own existence to act as a cause, which is a logical contradiction.

WatchYourSix:
argument?? U call this an argument ?? Come on man..
Mayb u haven’t noticed, Dialoguing with u is a bit nauseating ….U juxtapose and equate things with no logical basis…

first it was …”the way we control abortion same way let’s control pple from checking if they actually birthed their own child” …then u said leave abortion

Next is ….the way we give document for marriage dissolution, let’s start giving certificate to pple to allow them test they were not defrauded by their wives or the hospital..

I mean .. what are u gonna pull next?? ……. “The way we control sachet alcohol …same way, let’s control pple from checking they were not defrauded by their wives or by the hospital…

U seem like a bored individual who just needs strangers to engage you….but your arguments are weird.. gosh !!

You engage in all these ad hominem attacks without giving us a single reason why something so disruptive to society should not be slowed down

DiarisGodoo:
I did not even think of this:
Igbos are generally lighter skinned even before arrival of Europeans. Where did the light skin come from?

Royaldescent, add this to the long list. Maybe not all Igbos came from Israel, but there can't be so much smoke without at least some fire. That's my vote!

QuinQQ:
You engage in all these ad hominem attacks without giving us a single reason why something so disruptive to society should not be slowed down

I will indulge you… what is disruptive of a person finding out he was defrauded by his wife or hospital ??

QuinQQ:
In traditional philosophy and cosmology, the universe cannot be the first cause because it had a physical beginning, is bound by time and space, and undergoes constant change, meaning it requires an external and timeless origin rather than being self-generated.

Wrong. The universe didn't begin at the big bang which is what you are alluding to. There was something existing before the big bang and that is still consider the universe. The expansion of the space time continuum is only an event in the history of the universe, not its beginning. No one knows what preceded the big bang so the question still stand how do you know the universe is not all that exists and is therefore the so called first cause itself?

Modern cosmology shows that space, time, and matter began with the Big Bang roughly 13.8 billion years ago. All physicists agree that our universe started to expand about 14 billion years ago,” Because it came into being, it cannot be eternal or uncaused.

Like I said the universe didn't come into being at the big bang. It could very well be eternal.

Also, Physical matter depends on prior conditions and physical laws to exist, meaning it is "contingent" rather than self-sustaining or necessary. : A true first cause must be timeless, spaceless, and changeless to avoid an infinite regress of dependent events. As observed in classical philosophy, “The universe simply cannot be the uncaused first cause because it is filled with potentiality and change.”
Something cannot bring itself into existence because it would have to exist prior to its own existence to act as a cause, which is a logical contradiction.

Again we have no clue about the conditions preceding the big bang so to claim it came into existence is simply unsubstantiated. You on the other hands are proposing a magic sky wizard who brought the universe into existence by magic but himself is uncaused. You just took the uncaused 1 step back but unlike you I don't need to propose a magic wizard I can simply accept that the universe is all that exists or has ever existed.

LordReed:
Wrong. The universe didn't begin at the big bang which is what you are alluding to. There was something existing before the big bang and that is still consider the universe. The expansion of the space time continuum is only an event in the history of the universe, not its beginning. No one knows what preceded the big bang so the question still stand how do you know the universe is not all that exists and is therefore the so called first cause itself?



Like I said the universe didn't come into being at the big bang. It could very well be eternal.



Again we have no clue about the conditions preceding the big bang so to claim it came into existence is simply incorrect. You on the other hands are proposing a magic sky wizard who brought the universe into existence by magic but himself is uncaused. You just took the uncaused 1 step back but unlike you I don't need to propose a magic wizard I can simply accept that the universe is all that exists or has ever existed.

You said the universe itself could be eternal. Now you're saying whatever preceded the universe could be eternal (something that preceded something cannot be same thing it preceded!) Which one is it? Anyway, whatever it is must be timeless, spaceless, and immaterial - and unimaginably powerful. The cause must also be a personal agent with free will, because an impersonal, eternal set of conditions would produce an eternal effect, rather than a universe that suddenly began!

QuinQQ:
Royaldescent, add this to the long list. Maybe not all Igbos came from Israel, but there can't be so much smoke without at least some fire. That's my vote!

God cut off any Israelites that strayed from Him. Those who didnt keep the laws of the Most High and intermingled with pagan idolatrous women. The Israelites fell for big butts and a smile. And Im not talking about West African women, i am talking about Phoenician women like Jezebel whom King Ahab sought to make Queen of Israel. If you study Israel the break away kingdom that turned to Egyptian paganism and built calf temples that fell even more into pagan dark spirituality with herendous child sacrifices. They were also killing prophets which is silencing the righteous ones who objected. Do you know that's exactly how atrocities happen when you kill all the good ones?

If this is true that Igbos were lost Israelites then this above tells what happened to them. They traveled into the world of pagans and got consumed by the more dominant West African males. A small group only survives by practicing edogamy which is marrying their own cousins. The Lembe males seemed to have done just that and they preserved the laws which helped keep the pure bloodline integrity.

Creoles practiced edogamy too and this angered alot of African Americans who felt it was colorism but it was spiritual bloodline survival tactics. Our ancestors the Franks practiced Edogamy or what is referred to as patrilleanial inheritance. This noble Ancient Regime angered the peasant class of fair skinned people which fueled their cries of inequality and sparked the Reign of Terror known as the French Revolution. My forefathers were 2 percent of the population governing a 98 percent with an iron fist. In the age of Knights my ancestors easily defeated them with the Calvary charge and steel suits. But the introduction of the muskeets or guns and bombs changed everything. The peasants broke into the armoury and my family fled in 1791 for New Orleans. They did not guillotine King Louis but they did white wash European history. Frankish spiritual bloodline survived in Creole people and there's alot of us descended from King Louis.

QuinQQ:
You said the universe itself could be eternal. Now you're saying whatever preceded the universe could be eternal (something that preceded something cannot be same thing it preceded!) Which one is it? Anyway, whatever it is must be timeless, spaceless, and immaterial - and unimaginably powerful. The cause must also be a personal agent with free will, because an impersonal, eternal set of conditions would produce an eternal effect, rather than a universe that suddenly began!

I said what preceded the big bang. The big bang is not the start of the universe. There was something before the big bang.

Bro positing a magic timeless wizard doesn't solve the riddle. Your magic wizard also needs something also powerful to produce it or else then I chose that the universe also didn't have a beginning.

LordReed:
I said what preceded the big bang. The big bang is not the start of the universe. There was something before the big bang.

Bro positing a magic timeless wizard doesn't solve the riddle. Your magic wizard also needs something also powerful to produce it or else then I chose that the universe also didn't have a beginning.

My wizard exists outside all we know.
The problem with your postulate is that the universe and big bang and whatever preceded them are material and nothing material can be eternal. So the universe and whatever preceded it cannot have always existed (which was your initial statement)

WatchYourSix:
I will indulge you… what is disruptive of a person finding out he was defrauded by his wife or hospital ??

I will equally indulge by answering a question whose answer is obvious. A broken home is disruptive to society. A fatherless teenager is disruptive to society and statistics proves it. Also, even if the husband turns out to be the father (97% chance), the demonstrated lack of trust can still break up the family!

QuinQQ:
My wizard exists outside all we know.
The problem with your postulate is that the universe and big bang and whatever preceded them are material and nothing material can be eternal. So the universe and whatever preceded it cannot have always existed (which was your initial statement)

Says who that nothing material can be eternal?

Your wizard is just in your imagination. The universe exists. I have more reason for my position than you.

# The Transmission of Frankish Bloodlines and Endogamy across the Atlantic

The intersection of endogamy and colorism practiced by Creole elites in Louisiana and Saint-Domingue (Haiti) was the direct evolutionary product of the old European feudal system. To understand this connection, the historical timeline must be traced directly from the ruling Germanic Franks to their transatlantic Creole descendants.

### 1. The Swarthy Frankish Lineage of the Ancien Régime
In the historical records of the European nobility, the ruling class was frequently documented as possessing a swarthy, tan, or dark complexion. Prominent French monarchs, including King Louis XIV, were explicitly described in contemporary texts as having highly tanned or swarthy skin tones.

Under the "Frankish Myth" (or *Thèse Nobiliaire*) championed by aristocratic theorists like Henri de Boulainvilliers, the French nobility claimed to be the pure-blooded descendants of the Germanic Franks who conquered Gaul. They positioned themselves as a distinct, tan-skinned, ruling elite completely separate from the pale, indigenous Gallo-Roman peasant class. To protect this specific "conquering bloodline" and its material privileges, the aristocracy mandated strict class endogamy, viewing any outside mixing as a dilution of their noble heritage.

### 2. The Transatlantic Continuity: Creoles as Frankish Descendants
When French colonizers established empires in Louisiana and Saint-Domingue, they exported this exact Frankish identity, bloodline, and endogamous marriage culture to the Americas.

* **The Core Bloodline:** The elite Creoles of Color were the literal biological descendants of this French aristocratic lineage.
* **The Phenotypic Shift:** While generations of living in tropical climates, combined with varying degrees of mixture with Indigenous and African women, deepened their complexions, they still carried the core ancestral Frankish lineage.
* **Preserving the Caste:** For these elite Creoles, maintaining status was not merely about absolute skin shades; it was about protecting their proximity to the ruling Frankish bloodline. They viewed themselves as an extension of the European aristocratic caste rather than a newly formed mixed population.

### 3. Endogamy Weaponized as Colorism
Because their social standing, property rights, and legal freedoms were tied entirely to their European ancestry, the Creole elite utilized strict endogamy to isolate themselves from the rest of the population. This practice is what enslaved Haitian Africans and African Americans directly identified and condemned as systemic colorism.

| Group | The Inside Perspective (Creole/Frankish Elite) | The Outside Perspective (Enslaved & African Americans) |
| :--- | :--- | :--- |
| **The Primary Goal** | To protect the ancestral, tan-skinned Frankish bloodline and its legal privileges from dilution. | To enforce an oppressive, skin-shade hierarchy that kept darker-skinned people at the bottom of society. |
| **The Social Practice** | Marrying strictly within other tan, free Creole families to consolidate wealth, land, and legal freedom. | Practicing systemic exclusion, social discrimination, and prejudice based entirely on skin tone and features. |

By tracking this lineage, it becomes clear that the colorist structures of the Americas were rooted in European feudalism. The endogamous culture remained identical across centuries: a tan-skinned ruling elite utilizing marriage restrictions to insulate their bloodline from the laboring classes beneath them.


So you have African Americans and Africans inside the cult of Prince Hall making up myths and genalogiies that don't align with their genetic profile or genealogical records. Plus not only that but these slicksters are denouncing genetic science as a White man's manipulation but this is disputed by other Africans who do test positive for Middle Eastern haplagroups and have genealogical proof. The cries of racist science is just a manipulation of con men trying to usurp what doesn't belong to them. Accusing Creoles of not acknowledging African ancestry yet it is they who have all the myths like, they're Moors, they're the real Arabs, they're the real Egyptians, they're the real Israelites and on and on including the new one they're ancient Americans like Mayans and Aztecs. Always stealing someone's identity.

LordReed:
Says who that nothing material can be eternal?

Your wizard is just in your imagination. The universe exists. I have more reason for my position than you.

Says BOTH Science and Philosophy:

Scientific reasons:
The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy (disorder) of an isolated system always increases over time, meaning usable energy constantly wears out and will eventually reach a uniform, dead state known as the heat death.
Proton Decay: Particle physics theory suggest that protons - the stable building blocks of atoms - will eventually decay over immense spans of time, meaning matter itself is unstable and temporary.

Philosophical Reasons:
An actual infinite number of past events is impossible because you cannot add to an actual infinity or cross an infinite number of moments to reach the present day.
Also, physical matter is potential rather than pure actuality; because matter changes and depends on external causes to be actualized, it cannot be self-existent or eternal.

QuinQQ:
I will equally indulge by answering a question whose answer is obvious. A broken home is disruptive to society. A fatherless teenager is disruptive to society and statistics proves it. Also, even if the husband turns out to be the father (97% chance), the demonstrated lack of trust can still break up the family!

Abroad, whether the paternity test comes out okay or not… the defrauded parent still has to care for the kids till they are 18….because there is a system that ensures parents care for their kids till they are 18 or 21..
.The real issue is that there is no effective legal system that enforces parents to care for their kids/wards till they turn 18 or 21 in Nigeria…. So it doesn’t matter whether you deny him right to a test or not… if he doesnt want to pay, he won’t pay and, being in doubt is what will make many men stop paying until they have closure….

There are stories of many men who kept paying for their teenage children despite finding out they were defrauded …Infact some father ddnt bother disclosing the real result to the child….so ur reason for denying him his truth is preposterous ….its like denying a company right to do background check because it can cause the employee to lose his or her job….

Royaldescent:
God cut off any Israelites that strayed from Him. Those who didnt keep the laws of the Most High and intermingled with pagan idolatrous women. The Israelites fell for big butts and a smile. And Im not talking about West African women, i am talking about Phoenician women like Jezebel whom King Ahab sought to make Queen of Israel. If you study Israel the break away kingdom that turned to Egyptian paganism and built calf temples that fell even more into pagan dark spirituality with herendous child sacrifices. They were also killing prophets which is silencing the righteous ones who objected. Do you know that's exactly how atrocities happen when you kill all the good ones?

If this is true that Igbos were lost Israelites then this above tells what happened to them. They traveled into the world of pagans and got consumed by the more dominant West African males. A small group only survives by practicing edogamy which is marrying their own cousins. The Lembe males seemed to have done just that and they preserved the laws which helped keep the pure bloodline integrity.

Creoles practiced edogamy too and this angered alot of African Americans who felt it was colorism but it was spiritual bloodline survival tactics. Our ancestors the Franks practiced Edogamy or what is referred to as patrilleanial inheritance. This noble Ancient Regime angered the peasant class of fair skinned people which fueled their cries of inequality and sparked the Reign of Terror known as the French Revolution. My forefathers were 2 percent of the population governing a 98 percent with an iron fist. In the age of Knights my ancestors easily defeated them with the Calvary charge and steel suits. But the introduction of the muskeets or guns and bombs changed everything. The peasants broke into the armoury and my family fled in 1791 for New Orleans. They did not guillotine King Louis but they did white wash European history. Frankish spiritual bloodline survived in Creole people and there's alot of us descended from King Louis.

The funny thing is that my people practice endogamy yet we're NOT claiming Israelites. But to be fair, Igbos also practice endogmy
But no exiled Israelite group ever practiced engogamy for more than a few generations, which is why all OT Israelites are lost. The people in Israel now marry whoever they wish - but you're considered a Jew only if your MOTHER is a Jew.

Louisiana Creoles are not part of this discussion because their linage started with EXOGAMY. Also their own endogamy (to the extent one existed) only excluded dark-skinned blacks but not whites!

QuinQQ:
The funny thing is that my people practice endogamy yet we're NOT claiming Israelites. But to be fair, Igbos also practice endogmy
But no exiled Israelite group ever practiced engogamy for more than a few generations, which is why all OT Israelites are lost. The people in Israel now marry whoever they wish - but you're considered a Jew only if your MOTHER is a Jew.

Louisiana Creoles are not part of this discussion because their linage started with EXOGAMY. Also their own endogamy (to the extent one existed) only excluded dark-skinned blacks but not whites!

It's a lie. You marry whomever has the biggest booty


Unlike the Lemba, the Franks, or the Creoles, the Igbo people of Nigeria do not have a documented history of practicing strict genetic endogamy or cousin marriage.
In fact, traditional Igbo culture strictly forbids marrying close relatives. Understanding how Igbo marriage laws actually work reveals why their genetic profile matches their West African neighbors rather than an isolated Near Eastern lineage.

The Igbo Rule of Exogamy (Marrying Outside the Lineage)

While groups like the Lemba used endogamy to isolate their gene pool, traditional Igbo society operates on a system of strict exogamy—the mandate to marry outside of one's immediate clan and lineage.

The Taboo of Incest (Alu): In Igbo culture, marrying a cousin (whether first, second, or even more distant) is historically considered alu (an abomination or taboo).


Lineage Tracking (Iju Ese): Before any traditional marriage can take place, families perform a rigorous background check called Iju Ese (asking questions). Elders from both sides trace their family trees back multiple generations specifically to ensure there is no shared bloodline between the bride and groom.

The Purpose of Marriage: For the Igbo, marriage was historically viewed as a tool for diplomacy, alliance-building, and expanding social networks across different villages. Marrying within the family would defeat the purpose of creating these broader tribal and economic alliances.

The One Exception: The Osu Caste System
The only practice in Igbo history that resembles endogamy is the Osu caste system, but it functioned very differently from the aristocratic endogamy of the Franks or Creoles:

The Caste Divide: Historically, Igbo society was divided into the Dialas (freeborns) and the Osus (people dedicated to deities or shrines)

Forced Marriage Restrictions: Out of severe social prejudice, Dialas were strictly forbidden from marrying Osus [4, 5]. As a result, Osus were forced to marry only other Osus to avoid social ostracization

Not About Blood Purity: Unlike the Franks, who used endogamy to preserve "noble blood" and power, this practice was rooted in a spiritual and social taboo meant to segregate a marginalized group. It did not involve marrying cousins to keep wealth in the immediate family.

WatchYourSix:
Abroad, whether the paternity test comes out okay or not… the defrauded parent still has to care for the kids till they are 18….because there is a system that ensures parents care for their kids till they are 18 or 21..
.The real issue is that there is no effective legal system that enforces parents to care for their kids/wards till they turn 18 or 21 in Nigeria…. So it doesn’t matter whether you deny him right to a test or not… if he doesnt want to pay, he won’t pay and, being in doubt is what will make many men stop paying until they have closure….

There are stories of many men who kept paying for their teenage children despite finding out they were defrauded …Infact some father ddnt bother disclosing the real result to the child….so ur reason for denying him his truth is preposterous ….its like denying a company right to do background check because it can cause the employee to lose his or her job….

You don't understand. We're dealing with a case where the father happily accepted the infant, enjoyed raising it all through the delicious years, then when it comes to the troublesome teenage years he suddenly wants DNA test. There is over 95% chance he's the father of the child. The state is simply saying, forcus your limited resources on finishing raising the child to maturity!