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Poll: If a man refuses DNA test because he loves the child too much does that make him a simp?
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LordReed(m): 7:48pm On Aug 02*. Modified: 8:10pm On Aug 02 |
QuinQQ:None of that means the universe stops existing. Philosophical Reasons:It is not impossible if you have infinite time. All segments on the timeline are just discrete events. There is nothing we know that prevents that from being the case. It is like saying infinite numbers don't exist because discrete numbers like 10 and 100 exist. "physical matter is potential rather than pure actuality" is a meaningless statement. The universe exists, it has always existed. There was no time when it did exist because there has never been nothing. Bro are you using AI to craft these posts? LoLz. BTW you magic wizard doesn't exist that is why you locate it in a non existent locus. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQQ(op): 7:48pm On Aug 02 |
Royaldescent:This shows how u don't know Nigeria. Igbos are known for being endogamous. See below. But they (like my people) also follow the biblical injunction not to marry close relatives to avoid in-breeding. I don't think you know what you're talking about. Diarisgodoo come school this total foreigner about Igbos!
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQQ(op): 8:11pm On Aug 02 |
LordReed:No, these are my posts... but everybody uses Google. As I'm sure you know, infinite regression is impossible in philosophy and logic because it leads to an explanatory failure, a lack of a starting power source, or a vicious circle where a final result is never actually reached. If every event or truth depends entirely on a prior one with no root cause or basic truth, nothing gets the chain moving. This video perfectly explains it. It is impossible that universe has always existed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6UW3Imn5b8?is=lXgOIur94MAc_827 |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LordReed(m): 8:21pm On Aug 02 |
QuinQQ:The failure is the failure what infinite means. Look up the infinite hotel paradox. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by WatchYourSix: 8:28pm On Aug 02 |
QuinQQ:Guy u have a problem…. It’s obvious …. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Royaldescent: 8:31pm On Aug 02 |
QuinQQ:If you're so edogamous then why you don't possess the Middle Eastern haplagroups? Other African groups that claim they're Middle Eastern have it. Loads of Ethiopians, Somalians have the J haplagroup and they don't claim to be the true Israelites like someone is robbing you of something you never had. ![]()
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQQ(op): 10:00pm On Aug 02 |
Royaldescent:You don't realize how ignorant you sound. First of all you don't know the haplogroup of the original people in ME. Secondly, you should compare Igbos to other groups in West Africa, not people already close to the Middle East. Thirdly Igbos claim they left when Israelites were still in Egypt. No other group claim they left nearly that way back |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQQ(op): 10:06pm On Aug 02 |
LordReed:Infinite is not the problem, the problem is causality. In our existence or reality things cause things. Everything is caused by something. Eventually you must get to the original cause, therefore nothing material can be Infinite! |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LordReed(m): 10:37pm On Aug 02 |
QuinQQ:It is clear you don't understand what infinite means. There is no beginning in an infinite chain. I asked you to look up the infinite hotel paradox, did you? |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Royaldescent: 10:51pm On Aug 02*. Modified: 11:40pm On Aug 02 |
QuinQQ:Son of a peasant. You're not the son of an Igwe but son of a poor man. Your forefathers never built no kingdom, never fought any wars and never won and conquered any land or people. I am a de France. You're claiming to be me and that means you're nothing but a thief. The human genome has already been mapped with every nation participating. Even Nigerians were tested and there was no discrimination in the process. Africans have some of the smartest scientists in the world and African Diaspora have geneticists who have their own laboratories to spot any foolery. There are African people with Middle Eastern haplagroup and Igbos aren't one of them. I love Igbo people, I watch Nollywood movies and I consider Peter Edochie to be an absolutely brilliant writer and producer. Peter Edochie is an honorable Igbo who stands on his Igbo traditions and he show cases to world Igbo culture through his wonderful movies. Nothing in Mr. Edochie movies about Igbos being no Hebrews. Mr. Edochie is considered not just a top producer in Nolllywood but an ambassador for Igbo culture and heritage. So no way am I ignorant. Nice try.
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQQ(op): 11:42pm On Aug 02 |
LordReed:I'm not sure you read where I said in the material world the problem is not infinity but causality. See below. In a reality where things cause things there must be a first cause, you can't have something material that is eternal.
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LordReed(m): 11:51pm On Aug 02 |
QuinQQ:Bro stop using AI and reason with your own head. The chain of casuality is infinite there is no beginning. The infinite hotel paradox is meant to aid your reasoning not meant to explain the universe. We have no certainty that the universe is infinite but it fits better than a magic space wizard that is infinite and lives in a timeless place but can also act in time. Your god is as nonexistent as the locus you put him. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQQ(op): 12:05am On Aug 03 |
LordReed:Emphatically I AM using my head! I only use Google to show you it is the official "correct" position. Our discussion is wether the universe is eternal (even including whatever was there before the big bang), NOT wether it is infinite. In a material reality where things cause things there must be a first cause.
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQQ(op): 12:23am On Aug 03*. Modified: 1:03am On Aug 03 |
Royaldescent:You don't realize how strange it sounds to someone born a prince when you think you're insulting people by saying they're son of a peasant. I could very easily have been son of a peasant and it was not at all my doing that I'm not, so HOW is it something to be proud of that I'm not??! The only reason you're obsessed with this is due to circumstances of your people coming into being - rape and placage, nothing like marriage anywhere in sight. Like I said earlier, this your obsession with bloodline is NOT normal. Normal people are NOT that way. It is like wearing a shoe - you don't think about it unless there's something wrong with your shoes! Like I said, it has to be that something in your blood is really odious, that's why it won't let you forget it. Probably horrific crimes committed and you're carrying the DNA of the culprit and can't run away from it because it is inside you, it is you! So you spend all your waking hours fighting outside with lies becsuse there's no way you can fight it inside you. Like I said, what a fate !indeed! Believe me, the solution is NOT spending copious amounts of time on Nairaland LYING snd creating false grandiose ancestry for yourself - because even if you fool everybody, you can't fool yourself!
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LordReed(m): 12:33am On Aug 03 |
QuinQQ:Our discussion is on why you think the first cause argument is compelling while I am asking you why the universe needs a first cause. The official position is the LOCAL PRESENTATION and SPACE TIME CONTINUUM EXPANSION began with the Big Bang. The universe also includes what came BEFORE the big bang, as much as we can call it a before. There has never been nothing so the big bang happened to something. This there must be a first cause is just your preferred explanation there is nothing in reality that shows that nor is there evidence of your magic space wizard in his timeless, spaceless (nonexistent) locus. Listen to actual cosmologists not apologists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgpvCxDL7q4 |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQQ(op): 1:01am On Aug 03 |
LordReed:According to your video: "We don't know", and "Random virtual particles fluctuating in empty space" produced the big bang! So if you honestly close your eyes you can imagine the universe always existing? Can't you see that anything that has always existed won't be changing. It is NOT possible for something to be changing and also be eternal. This is my own reasoning and has nothing to do with AI |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Royaldescent: 1:19am On Aug 03*. Modified: 1:36am On Aug 03 |
QuinQQ:You've already admitted your status unless you want to now elevate yourself to win some points. I wasn't born in no placage. My maternal lineage is Ethiopian not West African. I have zero Trans Atlantic Slave Trade Markers. 0000000000000000000000 Not all Creoles came from placage. This is something promoted by envious African Americans to degrade Creoles because they practiced Edogamy and wouldn't mix with them. I am a direct descendant of King Louis but the de France in which I belong isn't the only Creoles descended from royalty and nobility. Some Creoles came from Franks, some came from Cajuns, some came from Normans and some came from GalloRomans, some from Italians. There were different ethnicities in the kingdom of France like any crossroad or world power nation. Core Regional Ethnic Groups The Franks were a distinct ethnic group whose conquest of Roman Gaul laid the foundation for the Ancien Régime. Under the ideology of the French nobility, the Franks were treated as an entirely separate ethnic caste, an idea that directly shaped the social and legal structure of France for centuries. Occitans: The largest cultural group in southern France (Occitania), speaking various dialects of the Occitan language. Bretons: A Celtic ethnic group in the northwest peninsula of Brittany with a distinct lineage, language, and culture. Normans: Inhabitants of northwestern France, descended from a mix of local Gallo-Romans and Norse settlers. Alsatians and Lorrainers: Germanic groups living in the northeastern borderlands, speaking Alsatian and German dialects. Basques: A distinct, non-Indo-European ethnic group native to the southwestern Pyrenees region. Catalans: Located in the Roussillon region of the deep south, sharing strong cultural ties with neighboring Catalonia. Flemings: A Germanic ethnic group residing in French Flanders in the extreme north.Minorities and Immigrant Populations Jews: Primarily divided into Sephardic communities in the southwest (like Bordeaux) and Ashkenazi communities in Alsace-Lorraine. Romani: Known historically in Europe as "Gypsies," wandering or settling in small groups across various French provinces. Italians and Spaniards: Small merchant, diplomatic, and labor communities, particularly heavily concentrated in Paris and Mediterranean port cities.
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQQ(op): 1:44am On Aug 03*. Modified: 2:16am On Aug 03 |
Royaldescent:Ok, my father is/was a peasant hand-truck pusher. So? I'm not! Someone must have really hit you hard with your ancestry for you to think this is such a huge insult.About Creoles, everyone has told you they're an admixture including AI, including Creoles themselves. And here you are obsessed with Europe that you've never been to - people that definitely will never accept you. Heck, they didn't even accept North Africans!
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Royaldescent: 2:35am On Aug 03 |
QuinQQ:You're envious because you want to be Hebrew because Igbos were enslaved by themselves and other powerful Africans. The African Americans are your people who also fantasize about being Hebrews. I have none of your Igbo blood, Creoles are not your people or mixed Igbos from raped slaves. You want Creoles small so you can be BIG. You want to be royalty and want to be Hebrew like these are easy burdens to carry. Royalty is a very difficult path and Hebrews have always been persecuted people. You think its glorious because you live in fantasy land. Speaking from a scientific and academic standpoint: the Igbo language has no genetic, historical, or structural connection to Hebrew or any other Middle Eastern languages. The scientific consensus breaks down the reality of the two languages across several disciplines: 1. Completely Different Language Families Languages are classified by their historical and evolutionary origins. Igbo and Hebrew belong to two entirely distinct, unrelated families: Igbo belongs to the Niger-Congo language family (specifically the Benue-Congo or Kwa subgroup). It is native to West Africa and shared ancestral roots with neighboring languages like Yoruba, Edo, and Igala. Boston University Hebrew belongs to the Afroasiatic language family (specifically the Semitic branch). It originated in the Levant region of the Middle East and is related to Arabic, Aramaic, and Amharic. 2. Radical Structural Differences The grammatical DNA of the two languages could not be more different: Igbo is an isolating and tonal language. It relies heavily on pitch (high and low tones) to change the meaning of words, has no grammatical gender, and does not inflect nouns for case or number. Hebrew is a root-and-pattern language that relies heavily on a three-consonant root system (triconstituental roots). It uses a complex system of inflections, prefixes, and suffixes to change tense, gender, and plurality, and is entirely non-tonal. 3. DNA and Historical Timeline Linguistic Divergence: Glottochronological studies (the study of how languages change over time) show that Igbo has been developing natively in the Niger-Niger-Benue confluence for over 4,000 to 6,000 years. This completely rules out a sudden migration from the Middle East during the biblical era. Genetics: Comprehensive genetic and DNA testing on the Igbo population shows that they carry the African haplogroup E1b1a. They share no genetic markers or lineages with modern or ancient Levantine (Middle Eastern) populations. Why do people claim a connection? The idea that the Igbo are connected to the Hebrews is a cultural and religious belief, not a linguistic or historical fact. The narrative began in the 18th century with Olaudah Equiano, an educated, liberated Igbo slave who wrote an autobiography. He noted that some traditional Igbo customs (like circumcision on the 8th day, strict laws of cleanliness, and mourning periods) mirrored the laws of the Hebrew Bible. When British missionaries arrived later with the Old Testament, many Igbo recognized these cultural similarities and adopted the narrative that they were a "Lost Tribe of Israel". Over time, believers began forcing false linguistic links (e.g., claiming "Igbo is a corruption of "Hebrew" or "Ebo), which academic linguists have thoroughly debunked as unempirical coincidences.
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Royaldescent: 3:47am On Aug 03 |
QuinQQ Come all without, come all within You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn Come all without, come all within You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn ![]()
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| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 5:47am On Aug 03 |
QuinQQ:Secretbloodline, he is very correct. Traditionally it was regarded a huge tragedy if an Igbo person married a non-Igbo. It has eased up in recent years. Go check out my profile - read my thread on Achebe's birthday that made Front Page. It used to be like a funeral if an Igbo schooled abroad and came back with a wife. Like someone died. Even me, before I left for US I was roundly admonished not to marry over here. It's all from Abraham, Isaac, Jacob always marrying from their own people. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 6:04am On Aug 03 |
Royaldescent:Here are some posts to revisit: Jacob the LIAR posted photographs from "17th through 18th century" when photography was invented in 19th century!! LIAR is still lying. Produce one photo of Toussaint Louverture where he is "very light skinned". Lyingly Posting Pierre Toussaint as Toussaint Louverture to try to confuse people! ![]() Really laughable how you hang onto highly theoetical and speculative genetic science as gospel yet keep posting Japhet, Ham, Sham! |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 6:12am On Aug 03 |
latieph:Can you please patiently tell us how encouraging a man to finish raising a teenager he started raising from infancy means encouraging "bastards"? |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 6:13am On Aug 03 |
QuinQQ:Non so blind as those who will not see. If someone doesn't want to see something even if you slap.him with it he still won't see it. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 6:20am On Aug 03 |
DiarisGodoo:Or if someone is bent on seeing something that is not there (like he descended from tan people from Palestine), no amount of reasoning can make him not see it! ![]() |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LordReed(m): 7:07am On Aug 03 |
QuinQQ:That's your reasoning based on what you want to believe about your magic space spaceless, timeless wizard. There is no reason to think that is a law the universe adheres to. Let's drill down what evidence do you have that there is a spaceless, timeless wizard? |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DeepSight(m): 7:21am On Aug 03 |
QuinQQ:LordReed, you know how I have labored and labored to make this argument. Frankly its obvious. Anything that is eternal in the past will also be imutable. Only things which have a beginning can be subject to change. Its elementary in philosophical logic. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LordReed(m): 12:18pm On Aug 03 |
DeepSight:I dunno where you get that idea that it is obvious. It just sounds like you want to think so, therefore it is so. If logic is the issue then the infinite hotel paradox shows how it is logical to have an infinite series of events. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Royaldescent: 12:52pm On Aug 03 |
DiarisGodoo:If Igbos were Middle Eastern then the male population would process the male bloodline of the Middle East..its that's simple. Many Creole men, Somalians, Lembe and Ethiopian men pocess Middle Eastern bloodline but we don't go around blasting that we're the True Israelites. That's a bold claim and its discrimination because it implies all others are false. Especially when Igbos zero Middle Eastern bloodline but are saying so because they're envious of those groups who do. The disrespect of Creoles by African Americans and Igbos who are genetically related but have zero Middle Eastern bloodline is way overboard. Creole is a culture and many of us came from various French ethnicities and not all of us came from raped Igbo or West African women. We are not your people or nobodies. And Creoles don't go around saying we are anyone else but Creole. It's African Americans and Igbos who say that they're Egyptians, Moors, Hebrews and other prestigious ancient people that they can attach a claim. I can prove anything I say about African Americans and Igbos commitiing these acts with evidence. |
| Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by Royaldescent: 1:05pm On Aug 03 |
QuinQ:There is no actual portrait of Toussaint painted whilst he was alive only description. And Toussaint was not Igbo which is the central point. You're always taking credit for other's achievements as if its your own. If Igbos want to brag about leading slave revolts then dig up a hero that lead a revolt against the Aro Confederacy. That's what I love about Peter Edochie movies he focuses upon ending corruption and improving traditions in Igboland. You focus abroad some where you have no claim or stake. |
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