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I totally get where she’s coming from and I’m hoping to penetrate that shield. I grew up in Nigeria and I know our understanding of liberalism is heavily influenced by white nationalist funded propaganda.

To the Nigerian conservatives, the idea of liberalism is a world where people living their lives in any way that doesn’t conform to Christian ideals is the worst thing that can happen.

They sometimes have the idea of what could make a good society (like limiting gun access and caring for the less fortunate) but they don’t understand that the conservatives they support are the ones standing in the way of such a good society.

One can only try.

GracieX3:
Cococandy, you keep wasting your time with Ishiloves. She knows nothing about international politics.

She doesn't even understand what Liberalism is, especially the American kind.

She is a great example of typical conservative Nigerian who has swallowed right wing propaganda which aligns with her religious bias

Cc Ijebos

raumdeuter:
The mentality of a victim is to seek any and every reason to be a victim

You told us you have lived in UK for decades and you havent experienced racism same thing budaatum claimed. Is there racism in the UK or should we say its mentally immature of you to claim you havent experienced racism in the UK

Please answer this question- is there systemic racism in the USA (or UK if you live there)?

cococandy:
I totally get where she’s coming from and I’m hoping to penetrate that shield. I grew up in Nigeria and I know our understanding of liberalism is heavily influenced by white nationalist funded propaganda.

To the Nigerian conservatives, the idea of liberalism is a world where people living their lives in any way that doesn’t conform to Christian ideals is the worst that can happen.

They sometimes have the idea of what could make a good society (like limiting gun access and caring for the less fortunate) but they don’t understand that the conservatives they support are the ones standing in the way of such a good society.

One can only try.

Well said.

But you need to understand that there are people that are not ready to challenge their bias with the truth.

No matter how many examples or research about racism you show them, they will not accwpt it.

GracieX3:
Please answer this question- is there systemic racism in the USA (or UK if you live there)?

Systemic racism is when there are laws or institutions that intentionally discriminate based on race
There is no systemic racism in the USA where I live

Nick Shirley visits Ceuta.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYFkOYHnJkk?si=


Brave young man. He was chased down the streets by the invaders.in Ceuta They were welding an assault knife.

basilico:
Benalvino3,I don't know much about this Hasan Piker,all I know is he's rabidly antisemitic.
James Carville long running staunch Democrat strategist has had enough of this Piker.

I am not going to be in the same party with Hasan Piker," Carville said on Fox News's The Sunday Briefing. "If he becomes a force in a Democratic Party, I'm out of here. I have no intention of ever being in the same political party with that guy
"I can't sit here and tell you for certain how this is going to turn out, but the one thing I can tell you for certain, Hasan Piker and James Carville are not going to be in the same political party," he said. "One of us is going to leave. It might even be me


When Carville says that , all is not well in the Democrat house of cards.
Piker has been campaigning with Warren , Bernie Sanders, El Sayed, AOC , Mamdani etc. He is basically a strong force within the Democratic Party. Piker wants Bartender barrista AOC to run for president 2028.

Leftists destroy everything.

The most compassionate humans are also the fascists who are fast to shut you down and take your life for having the "wrong" opinion about a matter

GracieX3:
Please answer this question- is there systemic racism in the USA (or UK if you live there)?

I live in UK.

UK people fought against systemic racism (and discrimination in general) and has relatively abolished it such that being black in UK is an asset, systemically speaking for those who know how to use their blackness and other skills and abilities. That does not in any way imply that institutions in UK are or can not be racist. Just that there are mechanisms in place that make racism very costly for the racist.

The Equality Act 2010 is one of the tools that deter institutions from being racist. Employers ensure all their staff are familiar with it and legislation that supercedes it so they don't get sued for discrimination.

P.s. I very appreciate you asking, but please know that my own experience can not be generalized as everyone's experience.

Ishilove:
I was born and raised in Nigeria, and after reading everyone's perspectives, I've decided not to comment any further on a matter I don't yet fully understand. I've never experienced racism firsthand, having lived all my life in a largely racially homogeneous society.

The race issue in the US is far more complex than I initially thought, and, as a friend of mine following this thread observed, we homegrown Nigerians don't always do well with issues that are this nuanced.

That said, I do believe racism exists in the US. It may not always be overt, but it often manifests in more subtle ways, particularly through racial profiling. While Dayo may disagree that blacks are victims of racism today, it's important not to ignore the historical context behind that profiling.

Not too long ago, many blacks communities faced systemic barriers that limited opportunities, were the poorest and had to take to crime. Even though the system has changed significantly over time, the legacy of those attitudes has lingered. That lingering bias, whether conscious or subconscious, continues to influence how the whites perceive and treat blacks in the US today.

Cococandy made some very salient observations about how differently white and black kids are treated over the same crimes. You even gave an example about your homeboy's kid, which is quite disgusting really ( how can a full squad pull up over CANDY nitori Olorun??).

And for heaven's sakes, one shooting in a day?? If it were minorities behind these shootings, I can bet every buck I have that there will be a massive crackdown on these minorities.

Goodness, this one pass my power. Let me face the agbero, bandit and olodo uprising in Nigeria. I have a better understanding of those matters than the insanity happening in "God's Own Country".

Can fully respect this sentiment about being cautious about something you haven't experienced.
I wish there were more people in this thread who came with that same perspective!!

But, I would argue about the genesis of the racism.
The crux of it through time was that black people were lesser, less intelligent and less human than white people and therefore deserved less and could be treated less.
And that narrative permeates everything from the legal system to the health care system.

And being in Nigeria, I didn't realize how much I appreciate being able to lay back and not pretend/code-switch because most of the people around me looks like me. Well I still have to pretend I'm not ijgb.

raumdeuter:
Systemic racism is when there are laws or institutions that intentionally discriminate based on race
There is no systemic racism in the USA where I live

Bruh

nateevs:
The problem with Dayo and his crew is engaging many times in complicated arguments, using simplistic understanding. Such arguments are characterised by statements such as:

.... there cannot be institutionalised racism because the government has not explicitly created any law that impedes the endeavour of a black man.....

Matter of fact, if there is no law to the effect, it does not exist, therefore there's no argument.



Quite frankly, it's a mentally immature way of looking at socially-sensitive topics.

Exactly!
Everything is a simplistic and shallow.
And when you ask them a follow up question, or to explain their logic, they can't so they breakdown and go in an endless loop of repeating the same shallow thing over and over and over again.

raumdeuter:
Systemic racism is when there are laws or institutions that intentionally discriminate based on race
There is no systemic racism in the USA where I live

What would you call a policy that only lets in immigrants that are white(White Afrikaans) while at the same time deporting black and brown people who have been in the US legally and have been productive members of society(Hatian TPS)?

Would you consider that "laws or institutions that intentionally discriminate based on race"?

Don't bother answering, I know you aren't capable of it.
The post was designed to show how ignorant of a person you are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7wy4VCfA6U

damn

simpler times

raumdeuter:
Systemic racism is when there are laws or institutions that intentionally discriminate based on race
There is no systemic racism in the USA where I live

What do you consider a policy that allows police to pull over brown skinned people because of their race?
https://www.aclu-wi.org/news/racial-profiling-rampant-after-supreme-court-ruling/

Would you consider that "laws or institutions that intentionally discriminate based on race"?

GloriousGbola:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7wy4VCfA6U

damn

simpler times

Right?
They hated this man and his bougie ideas of "telling kids to learn math and science", and his bougie way of speaking intelligently.

budaatum:
I live in UK.

UK people fought against systemic racism (and discrimination in general) and has relatively abolished it such that being black in UK is an asset, systemically speaking for those who know how to use their blackness and other skills and abilities. That does not in any way imply that institutions in UK are or can not be racist. Just that there are mechanisms in place that make racism very costly for the racist.

The Equality Act 2010 is one of the tools that deter institutions from being racist. Employers ensure all their staff are familiar with it and legislation that supercedes it so they don't get sued for discrimination.

P.s. I very appreciate you asking, but please know that my own experience can not be generalized as everyone's experience.

I also lived in the UK for some time. The equality act exists. I would even argue that the UK is less racist than the USA.

However, there is still room for improvement because there is systemic racism in UK policing. Blacks and other minorities are searched more than whites. Even within the police ranks, there is racism and homophobia.

Even a report in 2025 by bbc confirms this....

IjeBos:
Can fully respect this sentiment about being cautious about something you haven't experienced.
I wish there were more people in this thread who came with that same perspective!!

But, I would argue about the genesis of the racism.
The crux of it through time was that black people were lesser, less intelligent and less human than white people and therefore deserved less and could be treated less.
And that narrative permeates everything from the legal system to the health care system.

And being in Nigeria, I didn't realize how much I appreciate being able to lay back and not pretend/code-switch because most of the people around me looks like me. Well I still have to pretend I'm not ijgb.

We are still saying the same thing. This sentiment was why the blacks were discriminated against, giving rise to unequal opportunities that forced many of them into a life of crime. There are better opportunities now in a more conducive environment, but still yet the fall out still remains

raumdeuter:
Systemic racism is when there are laws or institutions that intentionally discriminate based on race
There is no systemic racism in the USA where I live

This is a blatant lie. There is systemic racism in the USA, especially in the justice system.

How do you explain studies that show how racism exists and is active in the justice system? Check below-

Ramdeuter, please answer the above questions from Ijebos and me clearly and in a straightforward manner. No whataboutism or changing goal posts. Thanks

Ishilove:
We are still saying the same thing. This sentiment was why the blacks were discriminated against, giving rise to unequal opportunities that forced many of them into a life of crime. There are better opportunities now in a more conducive environment, but still yet the fall out still remains

What fallout?

Black women are some of the most educated demographic per capita out of all ethnicities in America.
Yet they get paid less than their counterparts of similar qualifications. Due to….wait for it….✨ racism✨


Black Americans do not commit more crimes that other groups. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar. And any “skewedness” in statistics is because of negative racial profiling by law enforcement like we have already established. If you ignore the crimes of one community and focus on another, it makes sense that you will find more criminals among the group you’re focused on.

Black people do not kill each other more than white people do. They do not do as much or more drugs than any other demographic.

The fallout only exists in biased conservative media outlets. Stop accepting information from them. It doesn’t matter how good black people become, you will never hear anything good about them from racist people.

You have to let go of the notion that black people are worse than any other group in America.

Ishilove:
We are still saying the same thing. This sentiment was why the blacks were discriminated against, giving rise to unequal opportunities that forced many of them into a life of crime. There are better opportunities now in a more conducive environment, but still yet the fall out still remains

My distinction is what originated what.
The belief that African Americans were inherently primal/evil/bad/less than is what originated Western slavery.
It wasn't a "life of crime" that led people to dehumanize them, it was a belief in white superiority.
In fact, when African Americans set up successful communities, post-civil rights movement, they were destroyed by Caucasians.
Check out what happened with Black Wall St.
https://daily.jstor.org/the-devastation-of-black-wall-street/

GracieX3:
Ramdeuter, please answer the above questions from Ijebos and me clearly and in a straightforward manner. No whataboutism or changing goal posts. Thanks

Talking about wasting my time with Ishi

This one is gonna go in a loop of giving you one of these three variations of a response

1) you’re a victim
2) scream in a lake
3) ignore and deflect.

cococandy:
Talking about wasting my time with Ishi

This one is gonna go in a loop of giving you one of these three variations of a response

1) you’re a victim
2) scream in a lake
3) ignore and deflect.

The difference is that Ishi is ignorant. Ramdeuterrr knows what he is doing. So I enjoy seeing him squirm in trying to excuse racism

This. And it was not just black Wall Street.

There are so many examples of successful black communities that got destroyed by Caucasians as soon as they started to become self sufficient and independent of white wealth/ white help.

https://www.zinnedproject.org/collection/massacres-white-supremacist/

People often tell black Americans to build their own, to stop waiting for white Americans to solve their problems. But whenever they do, they get crushed for it.

Then, they’re are back to relying on white systems who do not give them same opportunities for businesses, school system equality, environment equality, healthcare equality etc.

It’s a deeper issue than individual black people going to school and getting a good job afterwards. That is great but it only goes so far.

Yes we are in 2026 and it isn’t likely for a mob to burn a black community today, but the descendants of those perpetrators still exist and they’re taught the same hate their fathers and grandfathers had. They express it in how they police black communities. How they pass judgement on black offenders. How they treat black patients in the hospital etc.

That’s why it’s risky and shows lack of self preservation to think those mindsets are a thing of the past.

IjeBos:
My distinction is what originated what.
The belief that African Americans were inherently primal/evil/bad/less than is what originated Western slavery.
It wasn't a "life of crime" that led people to dehumanize them, it was a belief in white superiority.
In fact, when African Americans set up successful communities, post-civil rights movement, they were destroyed by Caucasians.
Check out what happened with Black Wall St.
https://daily.jstor.org/the-devastation-of-black-wall-street/

LordReed:
Bruh

Headlines always deceive you

When did the discrimination activity happen

IjeBos:
What would you call a policy that only lets in immigrants that are white(White Afrikaans) while at the same time deporting black and brown people who have been in the US legally and have been productive members of society(Hatian TPS)?

Would you consider that "laws or institutions that intentionally discriminate based on race"?

Don't bother answering, I know you aren't capable of it.
The post was designed to show how ignorant of a person you are.

Immigrants of all colors are being deported from whites to blacks to Brown, The criteria for being deported is not your skin color, I know race hustler will like to make it so

IjeBos:
What would you call a policy that only lets in immigrants that are white(White Afrikaans) while at the same time deporting black and brown people who have been in the US legally and have been productive members of society(Hatian TPS)?

Would you consider that "laws or institutions that intentionally discriminate based on race"?

Don't bother answering, I know you aren't capable of it.
The post was designed to show how ignorant of a person you are.

I asked one of my MAGA colleagues in Nigeria (in the office) this question and he was all over the place like an earthworm that someone poured salt on..

Broad day light racism and they can’t even see it.

IjeBos:
What do you consider a policy that allows police to pull over brown skinned people because of their race?
https://www.aclu-wi.org/news/racial-profiling-rampant-after-supreme-court-ruling/

Would you consider that "laws or institutions that intentionally discriminate based on race"?

For careers criminals, It will be understandable why you will be pulled over and smashed against concrete

Police pull over anyone that is suspected to have committed a crime

Will this organization also be something similar to the SPLC who actually paid people to be racists

GracieX3:

The difference is that Ishi is ignorant.

I wouldn’t be so hard on her. It takes a growth mindset to admit that something might be more nuanced than one initially thought it was, which she has displayed. Kudos to her. To me that’s bigger than suddenly agreeing with someone you previously disagreed with. In fact a sudden change of mind is more suspicious IMO because it could indicate that the person hasn’t taken time to dissect and reflect on the conversations.

Also, upbringing and social conditioning cannot be changed by two-three pages of Nairaland interactions. It could take years but we are laying the foundations now.

Ishi will move to America someday (if she desires that) and she will either realize “oh this is what they were talking about”, or her kids will make her realize that as they grow and socialize within the system.

Ramdeuterrr knows what he is doing. So I enjoy seeing him squirm in trying to excuse racism

He does. Which makes me wonder if this is some sort of sustained trolling. It honestly makes no sense.

GracieX3:
I also lived in the UK for some time. The equality act exists. I would even argue that the UK is less racist than the USA.

However, there is still room for improvement because there is systemic racism in UK policing. Blacks and other minorities are searched more than whites. Even within the police ranks, there is racism and homophobia.

Even a report in 2025 by bbc confirms this....

You will argue about this from a USA you have not lived in according to you?

Why are liberals dense

GracieX3:
This is a blatant lie. There is systemic racism in the USA, especially in the justice system.

How do you explain studies that show how racism exists and is active in the justice system? Check below-

Research from who? We have many leftist organizations who profit from keeping racism alive, Recently the SPLC was found to be paying people to be racist

Its a hustle for them the more they scream racism the more they get paid

GracieX3:
Ramdeuter, please answer the above questions from Ijebos and me clearly and in a straightforward manner. No whataboutism or changing goal posts. Thanks

What questions?

Its the victim Olympics

Who will out victim the other