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Truthseeker10:
Ok....lets see who lacks education here.
Below is your statement: For a living person, the absence of faith is automatically the present of doubt.

Look at the evidence below that shows that you lack education.

So, your doctrine and inspiration is derived from ChatGpt?
😂😂 😂 😂

If you have education, you would know that you can counter ChatGpt with superior reasoning, and it'll come back to apologize to you.

ItShallPass:
So, your doctrine and inspiration is derived from ChatGpt?
😂😂 😂 😂

If you have education, you would know that you can counter ChatGpt with superior reasoning, and it'll come back to apologize to you.

So do that...counter the argument and let it apologize to you.

BennyDGreat:
How's their argument wrong?
Please educate me.

How am I confusing things? Please educate me.

BennyDGreat:
I respect your position and you do have some points as regard fake prophets.

Let's see if I can get you to the middle. Let's strike a balance.

1. That some do stage managed miracles doesn't mean there aren't genuinely anointed
2. If they ask Jesus for help, that's faith in Jesus' ability to heal.
3. There are genuine men of God that operate God's power under the gifts of healings and/ or working of miracles.
4. If you don't have faith in Jesus' ability, it can hinder your receiving
5. Jesus isn't here on earth with us in the flesh anymore but he can use His anointed ministers to perform miracles.
6. The manifestation of the spirit is not something you switch on or off at your own will. It's as the spirit wills. However, you can position yourself in a way that the spirit of God will move.

Which of these areas do you agree or disagree with?

It's not whether i agree or disagree but what the Bible teaches!
So let's pick it up one by one.
*According to the scriptures your point one is correct because even in the early days of Christianity there were false apostles. 2Corinthians 11:12-14

*Your second point is absolute because God made Jesus a prophet like Moses who will use miraculous deeds to back his authenticity as genuine servant of God. Deuteronomy 18:18-19 compare to Act 3:22-23

*Third is not true!
Why? According to the scriptures faith in Christ will make his true disciples act miraculously as a sign for honest hearted and sincere Jews that God is no longer using Judaism but Christianity but after Christianity has been fully established no Christian will be given such miraculous powers again! 1Corinthans 13:8-11
On that point Paul explained to the first century disciples that supernatural deeds occuring in the hands of disciples is to guide honest hearted individuals to identify those that will be used to establish the new covenant {1Corinthans 13:12} so by the time they have completed their work which is written down what we need to know it will only remain love that will forever remain the identity mark of true worshipers of God! 1Corinthans 13:13 compare to John 13:34-35

*Point four the only thing true believers are eagerly anticipating is the holy spirit to strengthen us in doing what Jesus commanded without let up. John 14:26-27 So i have that in me!

*Point five is a lie because if we will always have miracle workers in our gathering then what is there to endure? Matthew 24:13

*Point six is accurate! Matthew 12:31-32

BennyDGreat:
Please stop calling the church or Christ a business. It's not honourable.

Why did Bolaji Idowu separate his own from Kumuyi if it's not business?
Are you saying Bolaji is special to your God than other ministers in Deeperlife?

If it's not business why did he change the doctrine only to pitch his tent near Kumuyi instead of going far away to the places where Kumuyi and his people have not reached?

Guy stop deceiving yourself it's just their business they are doing.
In Bible times whoever travels out from among his fellow believers goes far away to build another church and it's the same teachings that will be delivered wherever they go.🥱

Truthseeker10:
So do that...counter the argument and let it apologize to you.

I'm not here to argue with AI. I'm here to teach you the truth.

ItShallPass:
I'm not here to argue with AI. I'm here to teach you the truth.

Oga you claimed you had a superior argument Over AI On the "absence of faith being automatically the present of doubt" and that you would make it apologize to you. Kindly do so and bring the screenshot evidence here. Your failure to do so would prove that your education is lower than AI. Your next response without the Evidence will deserve a BLOCK from me.

Truthseeker10:
Oga you claimed you had a superior argument Over AI On the "absence of faith being automatically the present of doubt" and that you would make it apologize to you. Kindly do so and bring the screenshot evidence here. Your failure to do so would prove that your education is lower than AI. Your next response without the Evidence will deserve a BLOCK from me.

Are you AI?

I have AI. If I want to argue with AI, I won't come here. I'm here to teach you the truth, okay? Stop being unserious.

ItShallPass:
I'm not here to argue with AI. I'm here to teach you the truth.

You don't want the truth otherwise you shouldn't be attending church of a man who ran away from his mentor to start his own business claiming he's harvesting where he never sow!😂

MaxInDHouse:
You don't want the truth otherwise you shouldn't be attending church of a man who ran away from his mentor to start his own business claiming he's harvesting where he never sow!😂

Especially, your lies gave you out.

Which man ran away from his mentor?

You see now. Even your current statement is full of falsehoods.

ItShallPass:
Which man ran away from his mentor?

Ọmọ nah business them dey take unah do!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ nah business them dey take unah do!

So, una lies don reach this stage? Taking a picture of Pastor Kumuyi and slamming a text on it is now a holy task? Isn't it?

ItShallPass:
So, una lies don reach this stage? Taking a picture of Pastor Kumuyi and slamming a text on it is now a holy task? Isn't it?

Chai!
See original brainwashing!😟

Something that is not hidden.

I helped you with the simple arithmetic so you can understand still you keep on burying your head in the sand.

Ok i will break it down for honest hearted followers of the thread.

Kumuyi is doing his own business jẹjẹ for Gbagada, Bolaji said he has finished learning the business from Kumuyi who never did any graduation for him instead of Bolaji to move far away so as to gather his own customers he pitched another tent nearest to Kumuyi at just a stone throw.
If Kumuyi say women shouldn't wear makeup Bolaji says it doesn't matter, if Kumuyi say women shouldn't wear trousers Bolaji says it's no wahala, if Kumuyi says women shouldn't wear jewelries Bolaji says it's not the truth.

Gradually members started crossing over to the lighter religions burden of Bolaji.

So if you are deceiving yourself there is no wahala honest hearted and sincere individuals will add 2+2 to know why Kumuyi is annoyed with your guy!🥱

Truthseeker10:
So if the faith of the dead is inactive, does that not show that miracles can happen without the faith of the receiver?

It can't happen except God on His own Mercy and Will bring the person back to life. You must have heard of dead people or people pronounced dead coming back to life.

MaxInDHouse:
Tell your pastor to go and perform his magic miracles where real sick people are not actors!🥱

Your unbelief and JW false teachings won't change the truth.

Truvelisback:
It can't happen except God on His own Mercy and Will bring the person back to life. You must have heard of dead people or people pronounced dead coming back to life.

Oga you claimed the dead has no faith. So did Jesus raise the dead that had no faith, Yes or no? If yes, does that not prove that lack of faith does not stop the power of Jesus to perform miracles?

Truvelisback:
Your unbelief and JW false teachings won't change the truth.

You believe but all evidence shows you are all lying to yourselves there is no miracle pastor anywhere COVID-19 exposed all of them!😂

MaxInDHouse:
Chai!
See original brainwashing!😟

Something that is not hidden.

I helped you with the simple arithmetic so you can understand still you keep on burying your head in the sand.

Ok i will break it down for honest hearted followers of the thread.

Kumuyi is doing his own business jẹjẹ for Gbagada, Bolaji said he has finished learning the business from Kumuyi who never did any graduation for him instead of Bolaji to move far away so as to gather his own customers he pitched another tent nearest to Kumuyi at just a stone throw.
If Kumuyi say women shouldn't wear makeup Bolaji says it doesn't matter, if Kumuyi say women shouldn't wear trousers Bolaji says it's no wahala, if Kumuyi says women shouldn't wear jewelries Bolaji says it's not the truth.

Gradually members started crossing over to the lighter religions burden of Bolaji.

So if you are deceiving yourself there is no wahala honest hearted and sincere individuals will add 2+2 to know why Kumuyi is annoyed with your guy!🥱

So, what's my own with the two of them? How am I related to their matters?

ItShallPass:
So, what's my own with the two of them? How am I related to their matters?

My guy i can sense a measure of sincerity in you because all those claiming Christians on this forum always hide behind anonymous due to fear that their leaders may bring them shame but with the way you revealed the identity of your own pastor it's clear that you are not ready to hide anything.

Of course you are. In true Christianity it's certain that the two of them can't be serving the same God that's why they are at loggerhead against each other.

Jesus said:

I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— ‭John 17:22 NIV‬

Paul said:
I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. ‭1 Corinthians 1:10

Now based on what is happening with these two guys it's either one or both of them are false prophets because the spirit of God doesn't contradicts itself. 1Corinthans 14:33, 40

So which of the men is true and which is false if truly you are sincere with your so called "FAITH" ?

MaxInDHouse:
My guy i can sense a measure of sincerity in you because all those claiming Christians on this forum always hide behind anonymous due to fear that their leaders may bring them shame but with the way you revealed the identity of your own pastor it's clear that you are not ready to hide anything.

Of course you are. In true Christianity it's certain that the two of them can't be serving the same God that's why they are at loggerhead against each other.

Jesus said:

I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— ‭John 17:22 NIV‬

Paul said:
I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. ‭1 Corinthians 1:10

Now based on what is happening with these two guys it's either one or both of them are false prophets because the spirit of God doesn't contradicts itself. 1Corinthans 14:33, 40

So which of the men is true and which is false if truly you are sincere with your so called "FAITH" ?

When Paul and Barnabas were at loggerheads with each other, did that mean they were not serving the same God?

ItShallPass:
When Paul and Barnabas were at loggerheads with each other, did that mean they were not serving the same God?

Paul and Barnabas disputed because of Mark who wasn't serious about the work Jesus assigned to them back then not because of teaching.

Barʹna·bas was determined to take along John, who was called Mark. Paul, however, was not in favor of taking him along with them, seeing that he had departed from them in Pam·phylʹi·a and had not gone with them to the work. At this there was a sharp burst of anger, so that they separated from each other; and Barʹna·bas took Mark along and sailed away to Cyʹprus. Act 15:37-39

If Kumuyi and Bolaji disputed over an unserious member it fits perfectly into this narrative but instead they are fighting because of TEACHINGS while Bolaji is stylishly stealing Kumuyi's followers using a totally different teaching yet claiming they belong to the same God!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Paul and Barnabas disputed because of Mark who wasn't serious about the work Jesus assigned to them back then not because of teaching.

Barʹna·bas was determined to take along John, who was called Mark. Paul, however, was not in favor of taking him along with them, seeing that he had departed from them in Pam·phylʹi·a and had not gone with them to the work. At this there was a sharp burst of anger, so that they separated from each other; and Barʹna·bas took Mark along and sailed away to Cyʹprus. Act 15:37-39

If Kumuyi and Bolaji disputed over an unserious member it fits perfectly into this narrative but instead they are fighting because of TEACHINGS while Bolaji is stylishly stealing Kumuyi's followers using a totally different teaching yet claiming they belong to the same God!🙂

Jesus brought a totally different teaching from Moses. Does that mean Jesus and Moses serve different Gods?

In Acts 15, many brethren were opposed to the teachings of Paul and Barnabas. Does that mean they served different Gods?

ItShallPass:
Jesus brought a totally different teaching from Moses. Does that mean Jesus and Moses serve different Gods?

Moses foretold that another prophet like him will come and teach the Israelites what they need to know in order to gain everlasting life {Deuteronomy 18:15-19} Jesus came to establish a New Covenant {Jeremiah 31:31-33} so Jesus was sent to complete the work that Moses started and all Israelites had been expecting the prophet that will fulfill this role! John 4:25
So Jesus came to complete what Moses started therefore whoever refuses to switch to the new covenant has been condemned by God! Deuteronomy 18:19
Please between Kumuyi and Bolaji who stands as Moses and who as Jesus now?

ItShallPass:
In Acts 15, many brethren were opposed to the teachings of Paul and Barnabas. Does that mean they served different Gods?

Of course there was a division because of circumcision but the matter was taken to Jerusalem and the Apostles with God's Holy Spirit solve the issue by writing a letter to inform all our brothers what they should believe {Act 15:23-29} please between Kumuyi and Bolaji who is correct today and where will they solve the dispute?
Remember members of Deeperlife will never accept your church as part of their fellow worshipers so your comparation doesn't add up!🤔

MaxInDHouse:
Moses foretold that another prophet like him will come and teach the Israelites what they need to know in order to gain everlasting life {Deuteronomy 18:15-19} Jesus came to establish a New Covenant {Jeremiah 31:31-33} so Jesus was sent to complete the work that Moses started and all Israelites had been expecting the prophet that will fulfill this role! John 4:25
So Jesus came to complete what Moses started therefore whoever refuses to switch to the new covenant has been condemned by God! Deuteronomy 18:19
Please between Kumuyi and Bolaji who stands as Moses and who as Jesus now?

Of course there was a division because of circumcision but the matter was taken to Jerusalem and the Apostles with God's Holy Spirit solve the issue by writing a letter to inform all our brothers what they should believe {Act 15:23-29} please between Kumuyi and Bolaji who is correct today and where will they solve the dispute?
Remember members of Deeperlife will never accept your church as part of their fellow worshipers so your comparation doesn't add up!🤔

I didn't ask you all these.

But, from all points you made above, it is clear that having divergent opinions does not mean they're serving different Gods.

ItShallPass:
I didn't ask you all these.
But, from all points you made above, it is clear that having divergent opinions does not mean they're serving different Gods.

Of course Kumuyi and Bolaji are not on the same page.
Note that the disciples of Christ Jesus agreed with both Moses and Jesus that is why they are able to understand the transition also the issue that almost divided the first century congregation was resolved but members of Deeperlife will never accept you people are their fellow believers.
So Kumuyi and Bolaji aren't worshiping the same Spirit! John 4:24

MaxInDHouse:
Of course Kumuyi and Bolaji are not on the same page.
Note that the disciples of Christ Jesus agreed with both Moses and Jesus that is why they are able to understand the transition also the issue that almost divided the first century congregation was resolved but members of Deeperlife will never accept you people are their fellow believers.
So Kumuyi and Bolaji aren't worshiping the same Spirit! John 4:24

It still does not mean they're not serving the same God.

Both the prodigal son and the elder child had the same father.

ItShallPass:
It still does not mean they're not serving the same God.
Both the prodigal son and the elder child had the same father.

The prodigal son RETURNED HOME!

So Bolaji could fit in to that narrative if he returns to Deeperlife but as long as he pitches his tent aside and teaching what contradicts Kumuyi then both of them aren't receiving their inspiration from the same spirit! John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10

MaxInDHouse:
The prodigal son RETURNED HOME!

So Bolaji could fit in to that narrative if he returns to Deeperlife but as long as he pitches his tent aside and teaching what contradicts Kumuyi then both of them aren't receiving their inspiration from the same spirit! John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10

You're writing!

You can never tell if Bolaji truly heard from God. Kumuyi does not have the monopoly of hearing from God. He's a human like all of us. God is the Father of all, and He speaks to all His children except bastards.

The matter cannot be judged by us mortals except you were there when God was speaking to both men.

The only thing is that, Bolaji should have received Kukuyi's blessings before venturing out.

ItShallPass:
The matter cannot be judged by us mortals except you were there when God was speaking to both men.

This is not about judging but
IDENTITY OF FALSE PROPHETS!

*They claim togetherness but dispute is going on between them.

Bolaji and William are not on the same page.

That is how to identify false prophets both of them will keep mute deceiving their followers instead of telling you people openly that they are not on the same page.
When it comes to spiritual matters Jehovah's Witnesses only relate with ourselves as fellow believers whoever is not with us is not our fellow worshiper. Luke 11:23

That's what Jesus taught his disciples not interfaith {Matthew 16:6; 12} where you can't speak the truth to one another but hiding behind anonymous!

MaxInDHouse:
This is not about judging but
IDENTITY OF FALSE PROPHETS!

*They claim togetherness but dispute is going on between them.

Bolaji and William are not on the same page.

That is how to identify false prophets both of them will keep mute deceiving their followers instead of telling you people openly that they are not on the same page.
When it comes to spiritual matters Jehovah's Witnesses only relate with ourselves as fellow believers whoever is not with us is not our fellow worshiper.

That's what Jesus taught his disciples not interfaith {Matthew 16:6; 12} where you can't speak the truth to one another but hiding behind anonymous!

Disputes have always been a factor in every human society from Adam. Your leader also broke away from a church to start his own watch tower society!

ItShallPass:
Disputes have always been a factor in every human society from Adam. Your leader also broke away from a church to start his own watch tower society!

That is the difference between true and false religion.
Jesus broke away from Judaism and told his disciples never to have anything to do with the teachings of Judaists {Matthew 16:6, 12} because light and darkness has nothing in common. 1Peter 2:9

So today Jehovah's Witnesses sees our organization as the only true religion while all others are false. That's the spirit Jesus gave his disciples not that which accomodates contradictions.

Do you see the difference now?

Please between Deeperlife and Harvesters which religion is true and which is false?

I am telling you boldly and can give you evidence that there is no other religion that's worshiping our God except those in our midst! John 14:6

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MaxInDHouse:
That is the difference between true and false religion.
Jesus broke away from Judaism and told his disciples never to have anything to do with the teachings of Judaists {Matthew 16:6, 12} because light and darkness has nothing in common. 1Peter 2:9

So today Jehovah's Witnesses sees our organization as the only true religion while all others are false. That's the spirit Jesus gave his disciples not that which accomodates contradictions.

Do you see the difference now?

Please between Deeperlife and Harvesters which religion is true and which is false?

I am telling you boldly and can give you evidence that there is no other religion that's worshiping our God except those in our midst! John 14:6

Anybody can break away to form his own as the only true religion while pointing others as false. Seventh day adventists, Mormon, etc also come to mind.