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Explore2xmore:
“No wife would agree” isn’t a statement from the text; it’s a modern assumption being read into Genesis 16. The passage gives Sarai’s motive as childbearing custom, not Satan. Ishmael’s genealogy traces his descendants, but it doesn’t show that Catholicism doctrinally comes from him. The specific textual link between Sarai’s act and Catholicism still hasn’t been demonstrated.

Sleekfingers:
And so ?
And your useless Jesus is what ? A bloody clown that was paraded naked , with his small penis all over the place .
Beaten to a pulp , before nailing to a cross like a bloody criminal.

Chibuezem:
lol I laugh at you Islam is getting decimated by the internet

Dtruthspeaker:
Which scripture would we use when you've got your scripture and i have got mine?

And for showing that Catholics come from satan,

That is why i also used realeyeity to further explain my statement and everyone here has dealt and lived with women enough to know that no free and normal woman is ever going to tell her husband to sleep with another woman and has never done that UNLESS when satan enters and moves her.

It is because by you Muslims believe in oppressing in slaving the female and have successfully done so is why you are able to think that a woman will do such. Everyone knows that A slave has no choice but must always bend to the will of her masters.

Whereas, all over the free world, no woman does that and has never done that and will never ever do that unless when satan enters her and makes her do it.

The childlessness was just the opportunity satan used to make her fulfill his will and plans.

And for Catholicism coming from satan, this thread already proves it for paganism comes from satan in addition to the other fruits i have listed already.

So, the link and HCF and LCM between Sarai, Islam and Catholicism is Satan

erad:
Lol... Eleha dey deny masquerade. Plus the poster, and the Rev fathers, and the catholic church itself, what's the difference between them?

You practice a religion that the people that own it deny and even insult at every opportunity. Yet you fight amongst yourself trying to see who's more gullible to the religion. Weird.

I'm sure they'll push the rubbish topic to frontpage on Sunday. Nairaland is gone.

Dtruthspeaker:
If you had read, you would have read that Christianity had already gone abroad even before Constantinople. And it is not Christianity he made a state religion, it is Catholicism.

jesusjnr2020:
I said in an earlier post that they would soon run out of excuses to defend the brazen acts of idolatry going on in the Catholic church, so not surprising seeing some of their most vocal leaders in these parts of the world admitting it for the first time.

One also went ahead to post the image above alongside his write-up, to illustrate that there's no difference between what a native doctor/babalawo was doing with a skull to that of the Catholic Bishop.

This is still not enough though, but hopefully is good step in the right direction, that would eventually lead to the point where they'd begin say a categorical no to any form of idolatry going on in the Catholic church, not just this one.

God bless.

MiddleDimension:
The veneration of saints and martyrs is why the Catholic Church has done more in the lord's vineyard than ANY CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION in this world.

GeneralOuki:
Who are these people that owns it?

Dtruthspeaker:
E pain am well well!

To the point that you now modified your post to resort to insalt since you did not have anything reasonable to say again.

"When the debate is lost insult becomes the tool of the Loser!" Socrates

alabo1:
My God. What are you even saying? The early Christian community was made up of Catholic and eastern orthodoxy before they split. Or are you saying Catholicism is not Christianity? Go back to your books please

Explore2xmore:
There appears to be unreasonable bias attached to your reading and chosen understanding. Satan isn’t mentioned anywhere in Genesis 16 unless you have a way to show me; that connection is your inference, based on modern assumptions about marriage, projected onto an ancient, custom-driven narrative. And everyone knows isn’t evidence but an appeal to popular sentiment. Voluntary participation in a religious/cultural practice isn't slavery and in fact Islam truly honours women and wives.

Likewise, saying paganism comes from Satan, therefore Catholicism, Islam and Satan skips the crucial convincing explanatory step. You still have to demonstrate the actual textual chain from Sarai to specifically Catholic doctrine. Sharing a vague ancestral connection through paganism does not establish that link. You'll need to provide verifiable references if you want to insist further.

Dtruthspeaker:
So unless, it is mentioned in Genesis 16, then the people there did not pee and defecate? And for you to state Genesis 16, is that not you inferring?

And asking for public confirmation of a fact since it appears that you do not want to declare the Truth seen in nature, is not an appeal to the popular sentiment.

How is it voluntary when you people ostracize and murder those brave enough to leave your religion?https://www.nairaland.com/8430479/22-yr-old-zamfara-lady-faces#135442765

https://www.nairaland.com/281140/only-religion-earth-kills-duty#3992635

Or how is it voluntary when you people have laws like this
https://www.nairaland.com/1816312/marriage-non-muslim#24749538

Which free woman would consent to these?
https://www.nairaland.com/2135900/how-islam-treats-women-badly#30525374

I believe you are joking when you say voluntary and islam.

And finally, you have committed the fallacy of changing post and unilaterally increasing the standard of proof, all because you find that you have no reasonable objection against my assertion.

Explore2xmore:
A few things are being conflated here. I never claimed Genesis 16 records every ordinary human activity. The point is that you’re making a positive claim that Satan moved Sarai, and that claim nepppppeds textual support. If that were actually part of the account, you’d expect the text to give some clear indication of it. Genesis 16:2 instead presents Sarai’s proposal in the context of childlessness and an ancient practice in which a barren wife could give her handmaid to her husband to produce an heir. We see a similar practice later with Rachel and Leah in Genesis 30. The text describes what happened; it doesn’t attribute Sarai’s decision to Satan.

And asking others to confirm something doesn’t turn everyone knows into evidence. If the claim is true, it should be supported by the evidence itself, not by how many people supposedly agree with it.

As for the links you add, individual cases of violence, ostracism, or abuse may be serious, but they don’t automatically establish Islamic doctrine. If you’re arguing that Islam commands something, quote the Qur’an or hadith you’re relying on and let’s examine it directly.

Finally, I haven’t changed the standard of proof. I’ve been asking for the same thing throughout, show the actual textual chain connecting Sarai, Satan, and specifically Islamic or Catholic doctrine. If that chain exists, present it. If it doesn’t, calling the request moving the goalposts doesn’t provide the missing evidence. It is calling for your integrity about what you say.

jesusjnr2020:
Nigerian Catholic Priests Reacts To Viral Video Of Human Skull Display In Vatican


You come to some parishes, you see more than 5 images of different saints at different positions on the altar, this is besides the images of Our Lord Jesus Christ, Mother Mary and above all the TABERNACLE. That's not cool at all. In the church, we should have just the images of Mother Mary, the crucifix and the TABERNACLE. Every other image of saints should have their places elsewhere.

dofman:
Eyaaa sorry o

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not claim and infer from my statement that because "Satan isn’t mentioned anywhere in Genesis 16 therefore, he is not there? So, see you inferred my statement, therefore you can see and infer that satan compelled Sarai's as no normal free woman ever does that, if Truly, you want to rid of your religious bias.

And as you just admitted, the Bible does not record every human activity for it knows that we are capable of filling in the blanks. So, no need repeating yourself for it is clear that the childlessness was just an opportunity for satan to implement his evil plans.

Secondly, i have already given the evidence and then instead of you to directly deny the fact and evidence for every one here to see, you changed post and resorted to increasing the standard and burden of proof by calling for more evidence beyond that which is necessary in the circumstances as i already told you, you have done, which you are still doing because it is apparent you have no valid counter to make.

As for the links, are you not an individual claiming that your religion is voluntary? So it is in order to point out the several individuals (for it is a thread) who prove you do not say the Truth and the links contain quotes of your Quran and Hadiths, so you really do not have any valid argument to make but trying to resort to the fallacy of composition, cherry-picking, or trivial objections.

MrsAyomide:
God descended from heaven and gave u ?

🤦. SMH

Sleekfingers:
Which god ?😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏

Explore2xmore:
You're inverting the burden, absence of Satan in the text means no claim can be asserted without evidence yet you use that same absence as proof he was secretly there misleading Sarai. That's not parity; it's asserting exactly what remains unshown. Nowhere does Genesis 16 or elsewhere in the biblical text depict Satan tempting, deceiving, or pushing Sarai toward giving Hagar to Abraham; the text gives childlessness and custom as the stated reason, nothing more. Filling in blanks still needs textual grounding, not free invention.

And since when did Nairaland threads become an accepted global reference? Linking to other posts isn't a citation it's outsourcing the burden of proof. If you're claiming Islam commands something, quote the actual Qur'an verse or hadith directly here so it can be examined, not pointed to secondhand. Obviously there's nothing concrete you can rely on.

Buhari4dullard:
I can see you dont know the bible.

Its called the WORD OF GOD not word of catholic church.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The catholic church did not want people to have the bible.

The catholic church is evil.

Read No 3
https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/17647/why-was-the-bible-not-available-to-common-people-in-the-medieval-period
The God of the bible

Buhari4dullard:
I can see you dont know the bible.

Its called the WORD OF GOD not word of catholic church.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The catholic church did not want people to have the bible.

The catholic church is evil.

Read No 3
https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/17647/why-was-the-bible-not-available-to-common-people-in-the-medieval-period




The God of the bible

Dtruthspeaker:
No, i am not. As soon as I answered the burden of proof passed to you.

And no, 4 times have I presented evidence which even confirmed and affirmed and then you responded to it by invalidly trying to shift and increase the stand of evidence because you find that you have no counter to my assertion. And now in attempt to discharge the burden of proof, you are repeating yourself in an attempt to relitigate. That is proof you don't have any valid and reasonable counter.

First, references are references how much more global public references in the very same place where this debate is taking place. This is you now resorting to the fallacy of triviality all because you have no valid counter to my argument.

My dear opponent, you have no ammo because "There is no Valid Argument against The Truth". That is The Law.

MaxInDHouse:
Please according to the scriptures:

What is the vineyard of the Lord?

What is expected to be done there?🤔

MaxInDHouse:
Please according to the scriptures:

What is the vineyard of the Lord?

What is expected to be done there?🤔

Explore2xmore:
NO PLEASE. Repetition isn’t proof of validity. I’ve asked the same question throughout: quote the Qur’an verse or hadith that actually supports your claim. You still haven’t. Likewise, Genesis 16 never says Satan moved Sarai, so that claim needs textual support too. Forum links describing incidents aren’t primary religious texts to support your views about what you claim of Islam; references are references doesn’t erase that distinction. Declaring victory by decree isn’t an argument it simply avoids the evidentiary gap.

illicit:
All religions have the same purpose...

Dtruthspeaker:
No they don't.

Christianity's purpose is to save man, others kill man by deceiving them with wishes the guilty wish for

Zonefree:
Catholic Church is cultural not Biblical.

Dtruthspeaker:
Repetition is proof that you do not have any valid argument to make again because, "There is no Valid Argument Against the Truth".

So, even if you keep repeating yourself and trying to twist around to reopen the debate, you have already lost the debate, because it is invalid to reargue what has been argued and settled.

So, sorry, you lost for "There is no Valid Argument Against the Truth". That is A Law i am certain you never knew so you thought that as long as you do not say you give in to a debate and you are saying something for argument, the debate can never end. No sir, you are not the Ruler of Debates, God and Law is.

MrsAyomide:
Same Catholic that gave you the Bible you are reading.. lol

erad:
Israel!