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jaephoenix:
Theists especially Christians disturb me early in the mornings with loudspeakers. Muslims do their own morning shout earlier. Christians disturb me with midnight prayers and worship. As I get to my car,they block me and hand me fliers,which I just ignore. They knock on my door to preach 'good news'. They block the rod while I'm going to work,so I have to take detours. And whats worse,they call me devil's child(which i dont mind)
So yes,I'll talk about religion though i dont interfere in their topics where they talk about doctrines

budaatum:
I am an atheist, and I care quite a lot about peoples' religions because their religion is very pervasive in the society that I live in.

I mean, imagine a society with an ideology of being that naked enslaved ignorant Adam who fears knowledge, and not recognising how Eve freed him so he can be self employed to populate the earth, or not understanding what it means to be the Image of the Gods who eat fruits of knowledge that empowers a people to rule the earth and subdue it and multiply or at least rule their society well and be blessed if only we could understand.

In religious societies, religion is the ideology and philosophy people live by, and not using our heads while expecting the Gods to come from heaven to feed us will result in us crying NEPA while we starve in darkness.

If religious people sought understanding instead of just believing, I'd personally not be bothered by them.

Mariangeles:
I have never come across a people so obsessed with religion, and "religious people".

For a set of people that claim to not care about religion, how come they're so obsessed, huh?

Me for instance, I don't concern myself with what I don't care about.
I consider it a total waste of time and energy.

Mariangeles:
I have never come across a people so obsessed with religion, and "religious people".

For a set of people that claim to not care about religion, how come they're so obsessed, huh?

Me for instance, I don't concern myself with what I don't care about.
I consider it a total waste of time and energy.

socoharley:
I am an atheist and I still care that people are deceived for the selfish gain of a few previleged spiritual leaders..When you get liberated you must fight to liberate others...we exist not for ourselves but for others.

socoharley:
I am an atheist and I still care that people are deceived for the selfish gain of a few previleged spiritual leaders..When you get liberated you must fight to liberate others...we exist not for ourselves but for others.

Dtruthspeaker:
If you Truly cared for people then you would have seen the Truth that people never do something for free. That is like satan told job, "is it for nought?". So, those people going to those places losing their monies know what they are getting in return.

But you people are only complaining about those pastoprenuers because you are jealous of them that they are getting rich whilst you guys are still poor. And that is just the first reason. So, it is not that you care for them.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course the world empire of false religion is about to face her doom just as the Bible foretold but then what lies ahead?

True religion will thrive globally until an unseen supernatural being instigate all human societies to start attacking us in all places even though we have remained harmless everywhere we are majority will just feel like attacking us for our faith without knowing a reason for doing so.

It may happen when you are still alive so remember the true God asked us to warn you ahead so that you may not be counted along with those that will be destroyed who knows our God is merciful He may decide to spare you for being neutral and not supporting the people attacking his true servants!

So when that time comes remember that it's those who have wronged you that you want to fight not those who have not done anything wrong towards you!

“Do not touch my anointed ones, And to my prophets do nothing bad.” Psalms 105:15

May you have peace!

socoharley:
Bro trust me when I tell you that there can be no heaven and hell in a world both descriptions already exist. We may have an afterlife existence where the consciousness of the dead roam freely,but judgment day? Hell no!!

MaxInDHouse:
What the churches of Christendom teaches their members about JUDGMENT DAY is false.

The judgment day is not twenty four hours neither does it have anything to do with your past life it's 1,000 years to be given to people who needs help to gain accurate knowledge about life, they will be raised back to life with true Christians to teach them about Christ so only those who welcome Christ's counseling will be allowed to live forever while unrepentant wrongdoers will be destroyed forever.

There is no literal place called HELLFIRE it simply means complete destruction.

socoharley:
Kindly stop making references to a book that was clearly authored by king James' family in England. To say we are jealous of pastors is a pure revelation of the dept of brainwashing most of you have had. Well I still believe that adults outgrow certain information taught to them as children because the light of adulthood is the light of logic and mature reasoning...Only that Christians have decided to neglect that option.
In the darkness of your poor mental vision I would wholeheartedly correct your wrong notion that atheists are poor...we are only satisfied with what we can attain in honest truth than the billionaire pastors who live off the poor masses we are trying to liberate.

socoharley:
Bro trust me when I tell you that there can be no heaven and hell in a world both descriptions already exist. We may have an afterlife existence where the consciousness of the dead roam freely,but judgment day? Hell no!!

Dtruthspeaker:
Which reasonable person cannot see that this is your wish and delu talking? Which person who commits offences would wish for judgement and punished? No, not one.

So clearly you must wish to "roam freely" after all your offences. And it is wishes you want to give people which you say is light. What a funny. You obviously have forgotten that beggars are professors at wishing and after all their wishes, their begging remained.

Therefore, you atheists teach delus which you call light.

socoharley:
Be my guest and keep on believing in your fake powerless God the father of Jesus whose paternity is not know because Joseph his mothers husband denied his paternity. And this automatically makes Mary what?

Dtruthspeaker:
As I asked you earlier which you dodged, have you seen anyone doing something that they do not gain from it? No

So, again, your jealousy controls you for because God answers our prayers and has casted you aside is why you are saying all this rubbish and even now resorting to fallacy of ad homineming Him. And now you have shifted post to His earthly parentage even when you are aware of adoption and surrogacy, or even yet again you have no light on these things and you never knew them?

And here you are speaking fallaciously yet you atheist were claiming that you are logical. Atheist can never do without lying, and here you were claiming to bring people into the light. Clearly, you meant darkness. ,

socoharley:
Your soul is so bitter..you need spiritual cleansing from the curses of your forefathers upon you for you have so desecrated their life after death..

You keep sounding like a kid who just ;Ddiscovered the meaning of "jealousy" but still yet to learn of its uses and contextual meaning...why would I be jealous of a person whose ancestors were taken away as slaves and a religion sold to them?

Dtruthspeaker:
You are a very entertaining atheist. Atheists do not believe in souls and spirit, yet here are you talking about them.

As I just told you up, you atheists lie too much and the only reason you people became atheist is because you see that God has zeroed His Mind from you people. So, you are perpetually angry, hateful and jealous of Christians which is why you are obsessed with us as this thread has observed.

So, i hate you as you perceive but i don't give a dam about you. And the only thing I am here for is to enjoy myself showing how overwrong and unintelligent you atheist are.

And see it, even after warning of you of your earlier fallacies, you are still committing more fallacies as you now move post to slavery, since you cannot make any reasonable and valid argument.

Thereby proving the Truth of what people say about atheist and their arguments, which is that you atheists cannot make any valid reasonable argument; all your arguments are either Lies or Fallacious.

So, you atheists don't have any reasonable or good thing to say.

socoharley:
Be my guest and keep on believing in your fake powerless God the father of Jesus whose paternity is not know because Joseph his mothers husband denied his paternity. And this automatically makes Mary what?

socoharley:
They say the truth is bitter but how come my lies are so painful for you to swallow? You need to go get some higher education or it's equivalent to continue this argument. Now run off and keep believing in your trashy religion little boy.

Kobojunkie:
You have obviously never paid close attention to the contents of the Bible. 😒😒

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For the context of the debate, I will approach this by examining the Constitutions of the nations that the entire Bible is really all about.
On equal rights:
⚉ In the ancient nation of Israel, equality is implied under the Law of Moses as the law insists that the same standard applies to both the male and female Israelites in the land. All Israelites are considered equal under their Law. No group or gender among the citizenry was raised above the other as far as their Constitution and their God.
⚉ In the Kingdom of God, the Gospel explicitly declares all sisters and brothers of Jesus Christ of Israel equal in the Kingdom of God in Matthew 23: 10 - 15.

2. On slavery:
⚉ In the ancient nation of Israel, there was indentured slavery, which was designed in such a way as to allow Israelites to pay off debts over a period of a maximum of 7 years. Indentured servitude as prescribed by the Law of Moses in the land of Israel DOES NOT violate or impede on the rights of Israelites(citizens of the state in general).

Now, I don't recall reading about the establishment of prisons and stuff the last time I read through the Law of Moses, but I am of the mind that the slave codes were designed for the handling of prisoners. Read through the books of the Law to learn facts from social media talking points.😒

Then there was the other kind of slaves; there were the POWs and others, all of them foreigners in the land of Israel. 😒

These slaves were not subject to the same laws as the citizens and did not enjoy the same benefits. However, as depicted above, they were not to be subjected to harsh treatment or unjust conditions. 😒

More information relating to slavery and treatment of slaves can be found in Exodus 21, Exodus 22 vs 2-4, Exodus 23vs12, Leviticus 19:20, Leviticus 21 vs 4, Leviticus 22 vs 11, Leviticus 25, Deuteronomy 15, Deuteronomy 20 vs 10-14, Deuteronomy 21 vs 10 - 14, Deuteronomy 23 vs15 - 16, Deuteronomy 24:7😒

⚉ In the Kingdom of God, under the Gospel, foreigners are not allowed into the nation, i.e., the Kingdom of God; also, every individual is a worker/slave.

3. On misogyny and racism, I would prefer you be more direct in providing references so I can do my research on exactly what you mean. 😒

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Better yet, can we get back to the topic or subject? 😒

MaxInDHouse:
You are the one misquoting everyone on this matter nobody not even the inspired Bible writers claim they have an accurate knowledge of God {1Corinthans 13:9} but to say there is no God makes you a complete novice.

You can see someone from a distance and try to guess how he really looks but saying he doesn't exist simply because you've not seen his whole body is where you got it wrong!🥱

HeatSeeker:
Oh please! Even Seun, the owner of this platform was at a time an avowed atheist. I know the kind of threads where atheists had a field day dismantling perceived inconsistencies in religious doctrines and teachings. You cannot deny that you actively proselytize.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are now calling it gibberish because you real eyes that you have no reasonable or valid counter to it And further because of your brin is laundered and you have become a bigot

All dictionaries define and tell you that what is called evolution is "a process of change"

Hence we have the evolution of the Benz

https://www.nairaland.com/8149910/incredible-evolution-mercedes-benz-car#130885723

Evolution of the phone
https://www.nairaland.com/2851461/evolution-telephones-nigeria-pictures#41778450

Evolution of cars
https://www.nairaland.com/2884862/evolution-cars-what-look-like#42249030

And even from the scantity of your understanding, you ought to see that it is also evolution when a human being grows up from a baby to adulthood and to wrinkled old age.

But because of the above stated reasons,you cannot allow any of this simple facts we see everyday to correct and emancipate your mind.

MaxInDHouse:
YES!

jaephoenix:
Show me

jaephoenix:
Bro, maybe I'll stop debating with you. You don't answer questions, but instead deflect it to answer a different question.

jaephoenix:
1. No the bible doesn't create equality in the semester

27 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If anyone makes a special vow to dedicate a person to the Lord by giving the equivalent value,
3 set the value of a male between the ages of twenty and sixty at fifty shekels[a] of silver, according to the sanctuary shekel[b];
4 for a female, set her value at thirty shekels[c];
5 for a person between the ages of five and twenty, set the value of a male at twenty shekels[d] and of a female at ten shekels[e]; 6 for a person between one month and five years, set the value of a male at five shekels[f] of silver and that of a female at three shekels[g] of silver; 7 for a person sixty years old or more, set the value of a male at fifteen shekels[h] and of a female at ten shekels. 8 If anyone making the vow is too poor to pay the specified amount, the person being dedicated is to be presented to the priest, who will set the value according to what the one making the vow can afford. From the above, males are valued more than females
➜ Also females menstruating are termed unholy and unclean,
➜ and anyone touching them are also unholy and needs to be purified
➜ Also females arent allowed to preach
➜ In fact im your organization, how many females are in your GB8?
➜ About slavery,Yhwh explicitly instructs Israelites to take slaves from surrounding nations. In case you don't know how it works,they go to war,
➜ grab anyone against their wishes and make them work WITHOUT PAYMENT.
➜ Also they can bear them as much as they want as long as they dont die within 2 days. So if they die after 2 days of beating,then its fine.
➜ Also these slaves are owned for life,and passed from generations to generations. So stop all these lies

1. The Lord said to Moses,
2 “Tell the Israelites: You might promise to give someone to the Lord as a servant. The priest must set a price for that person.
3 The price for a man from 20 to 60 years old is 50 shekels[a] of silver. (You must use the official measure for the silver.)
4 The price for a woman who is 20 to 60 years old is 30 shekels.
5 The price for a man from 5 to 20 years old is 20 shekels. For a woman the price is 10 shekels.
6 The price for a boy from one month to five years old is 5 shekels. For a girl, the price is 3 shekels.
7 The price for a man who is 60 years old or older is 15 shekels. The price for a woman is 10 shekels.
8 “If anyone is too poor to pay the price, bring that person to the priest. The priest will decide how much money the person can afford to pay. - Leviticus 27 vs 1 - 8

16 “Whoever steals someone to sell them as a slave or to keep them for their own slave must be killed. - Exodus 21 vs 16.

7 “Someone might kidnap another Israelite—one of their own people. And that kidnapper might sell that person as a slave. If that happens, that kidnapper must be killed. You must remove this evil from your group. - Deuteronomy 24 vs 7

44 “About your men and women slaves: You may get men and women slaves from the other nations around you.
45 Also, you may get children as slaves if they come from the families of the foreigners living in your land. These child slaves will belong to you.
46 You may even pass these foreign slaves on to your children after you die so that they will belong to them. They will be your slaves forever. You may make slaves of these foreigners. But you must not be a cruel master over your own brothers, the Israelites. - Leviticus 25 vs 44 - 46.

26 “If a man hits a slave in the eye, and the slave is blinded in that eye, then the slave will be allowed to go free. His eye is the payment for his freedom. This is the same for a man or a woman slave.
27 If a master hits his slave in the mouth, and the slave loses a tooth, then the slave will be allowed to go free. The slave’s tooth is payment for the slave’s freedom. This is the same for a man or a woman slave. - Exodus 21 vs 26 - 27

15 “If slaves run away and come to you, don’t force them to go back to their masters.
16 Runaway slaves may live with you wherever they like in whatever city they choose. You must not trouble them. - Deuteronomy 23 vs 15 - 16

Kobojunkie:
1. The passage you quoted does not corroborate the claim you made suggesting males were more valued than females. 😒😒
How does paying different wages for males and females -- males typically served in a different, more labor-intensive side of the temple than the females --- imply that men were more valued than females were? Also, females enjoyed perks that males did not enjoy, as I will explain in the following response to your other question.😒😒

2. She is termed unholy, meaning she should be given a break from work during that period of time, particularly since the process is, on average, painful for the average woman to bear. If she were vowed to work in the temple, for instance, she should not have to show up for work during her period. On average, women vowed to work in the temple got about 4-5 days off each month as a result.😒😒

3. Sex or intimacy when a woman is menstruating is frowned upon even to this day. Having women designated as unclean guaranteed no intercourse or intimacy during the period. 😒

4. Preach what? The Levites and temple service served as a law enforcement agency of sorts in the ancient nation of Israel. There was no preaching associated with that Law. If you mean instead Prophethood, well, there were lots of female prophets in the land. 😒

5. Oh! I know well how that worked and still works to this day. The justice system integrated slavery as a way of handling criminals. They were allowed to take prisoners of war, and with no elaborate prison systems or camps where they were to be kept, prisoners were placed directly into various households to work, since someone would need to feed and provide for them. Some prisoners/slaves were kept for life, while some others were eventually able to buy their freedom, and so on. 😒😒

6. That is a lie! What you describe was literally a crime punishable by death in ancient Israel. 😒
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7. You mean beat? Sure! You don't expect prisoners and criminals to all act right because you have them working as slaves to earn their keep while serving out their sentence, right? 😒😒😒

8. Sure! Some prisoners are meant to serve life sentences.

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I am still researching the other bit about the sentence supposedly passing on to the next generation, so I might need to get back to you on that. But overall, all Slaves were expected to be treated with the same love as one would give oneself, under the Law of ancient Israel. 😒😒

Kobojunkie:
1. The passage you quoted does not corroborate the claim you made suggesting males were more valued than females. 😒😒
How does paying different wages for males and females -- males typically served in a different, more labor-intensive side of the temple than the females --- imply that men were more valued than females were? Also, females enjoyed perks that males did not enjoy, as I will explain in the following response to your other question.😒😒

2. She is termed unholy, meaning she should be given a break from work during that period of time, particularly since the process is, on average, painful for the average woman to bear. If she were vowed to work in the temple, for instance, she should not have to show up for work during her period. On average, women vowed to work in the temple got about 4-5 days off each month as a result.😒😒

3. Sex or intimacy when a woman is menstruating is frowned upon even to this day. Having women designated as unclean guaranteed no intercourse or intimacy during the period. 😒

4. Preach what? The Levites and temple service served as a law enforcement agency of sorts in the ancient nation of Israel. There was no preaching associated with that Law. If you mean instead Prophethood, well, there were lots of female prophets in the land. 😒

5. Oh! I know well how that worked and still works to this day. The justice system integrated slavery as a way of handling criminals. They were allowed to take prisoners of war, and with no elaborate prison systems or camps where they were to be kept, prisoners were placed directly into various households to work, since someone would need to feed and provide for them. Some prisoners/slaves were kept for life, while some others were eventually able to buy their freedom, and so on. 😒😒

6. That is a lie! What you describe was literally a crime punishable by death in ancient Israel. 😒
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7. You mean beat? Sure! You don't expect prisoners and criminals to all act right because you have them working as slaves to earn their keep while serving out their sentence, right? 😒😒😒

8. Sure! Some prisoners are meant to serve life sentences.

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I am still researching the other bit about the sentence supposedly passing on to the next generation, so I might need to get back to you on that. But overall, all Slaves were expected to be treated with the same love as one would give oneself, under the Law of ancient Israel. 😒😒