₦airaland Forum

Papi85:
and mk em join Npfl club?

Mujtahida:
Emenalo should stay away oo. They will stain him. Mikel obviously has interest but he's said it repeatedly that he cannot work with the current structure. That's a wise move.

The mistake we make in Nigeria is that we think people are the problem. Yes people are the problem but they are not the problem. The problem is that the entire structure, system and ecosystem of Nigerian football is infected and has to be reformed. If that is not done it will be a case of pouring water inside a basket. The water might be clean but the basket leaks.

If Emenalo is to come, let him come and do surgical work. Put in structures and create an ecosystem within a strict two year timeline like on a contract basis. Do it and hand over.

forgiveness:
Stop stewing nonsense. If you don't know or your ethnic group had no form of governance that's your problem. As far as I am concerned, mine had and it was well written in world history.

My first response to your fallacy "Black man doesn't know how to govern" was well debunked in that explanation. Only person or persons in their right senses can make sense out of it, not one brainwashed.

Just say your ethnic group had no form of governance and civilization and stop lumping others into it. That is the evidence before your eyes.

Secondly, I will take back my words that civilization came from Africa but it doesn't change the fact that white didn"t bring civilization to the whole of Africans. Yes, I acknowledge that some got civilization from whites. Those without structure and goverance.

However, civilization evolved differently from different regions. From Mesopotamia to Egypt, to China etc. No one can claim civilization entirely.


What is civilization? What is innovation? What is conquest? I think that is beyond you because you are confused.

Let me apply your logic.

Because Roman conquered Greek, it had no form of governance and civilization.

British conquered India because it could not govern themselves and never experienced civilization in their entire history. You are day dreaming.


"Innovation includes innovations in the forms of governance and if you think innovation has no effect on governance,"

I can see you are confused with this your statement.

First, civilization and modern global dominance are not the same thing. The fact that modern institutions retain more European languages, political systems, technologies, and intellectual traditions does not prove that Africans lacked sophisticated systems of governance. Period.

Second, you are right that innovation can transform governance. The printing press changed the distribution of information and political authority. Gunpowder changed warfare and state formation. But that argument actually creates a problem for your conclusion.

if technological and institutional innovation influences state capacity, then we must ask why particular societies accumulated those advantages at particular historical periods, rather than simply attributing their success or failure to the governing ability of an entire racial group.

Who innovated gunpowder? China.

Who adopted and accumulated the advantages? European states. The same European states used it to colonize China. Was it European innovation? No.

Innovation can improve governance but it doesn't mean that innovation can't be adopted to improve governance.

Lastly, Africa had diverse political systems, and some demonstrated sophisticated governance.

The Mali and Songhai empires developed administrative structures over large territories.

The Kingdom of Benin had centralized political authority, specialized institutions, extensive trade, and significant urban development.

Ethiopia maintained an independent state for centuries despite enormous external pressures.

The Asante state developed centralized political institutions and mechanisms for incorporating different territories and peoples.

These examples don't prove that African governance was universally successful—but they directly contradict the claim that the Black man does not know how to govern.


Are you saying those political systems lacked innovation?

Maybe your ethnic group didn't experience that but it doesn't mean some didn't have.

Innovation evolves and it is never static.

Conquest evolves from generation to the generation. It doesn't mean those conquered never had civilization.

Let me educate you about world conquest by going spiritual. This is a rejoinder to "show me the retention of language and words in all form of modern civilization"

In Daniel, Nebuchadnezzar dreamed of the great image and that has influenced the world in writing and language in each period.

The image had five sections/materials:

1. Gold - head
Daniel 2:32, 38 - “thou art this head of gold.” Represents the Babylonian kingdom.
2. Silver- chest and arms
Daniel 2:32, 39
Represents the kingdom of Medis and Persians
3. Bronze (brass) - belly and thighs
Daniel 2:32, 39
Represents the Greek empire (Alexander III of Mecadon known as Alexander the great(
4. Iron - legs
Daniel 2:33, 40
The fourth kingdom, represents the Roman empire
5. Iron mixed with clay — feet and toes
Daniel 2:33, 41–43
A divided kingdom: “partly strong, and partly broken. Refers to modern civilization. No single country can lay claim to dominate the whole world. But
6. The last Kingdom is Jesus. Now is the kingdom.

One notable thing they did was Linguistic assimilation which is replacing or suppressing the native language in favor of the dominant language.

Maybe you are naive about that.

Ajami script was already used by Hausa, Fulani, Yoruba, Kanuri etc to study and communicate long before oyinbo brought Roman script.

There were written systems solely developed by Indigenous Africans apart from Ajami adopted from Arab. Don't be naive.

Nsidibi, Ge'ez, Tifinagh were Indigenous writing systems.

The Egyptian hieroglyphs metaphored to Proto-Sinaitic script to the Phoenician alphabet, then to Greek alphabet to finally Latin alphabet. Go and do research. It is your homework.

Predator87:
How do you expect Nigeria football to grow then? You basically telling the most qualified person not to take the job.

Mujtahida:
Nothing you have said here that is new to me but sorry the way you marshal your point is so unintelligent that I can't reply to it. Cheers

forgiveness:
Because you are not intelligent enough to comprehend, and as usual spew your brainwashed knowledge as usual. I was never expecting you to respond. Next time don't come here and make jargons you can't defend with facts.

Mujtahida:
Nothing to comprehend in that awful pile of rubbish. I just couldn't make head or tail of the nonsense you spew.

Next time? Because you are? 🤣🤣🤣.

My assertion remains.

Napoleon55:

But no single group or region taught anyone civilization rather different ancient societies developed civilized life in different part of the world independently, before some starts to enslave and colonize others.

Apart from historical legacy,does pyramid really add any value to Africa or the world

forgiveness:
Dude, you are disgracing yourself. You don't understand what governance is but you think you are learned. How is that possible? This not about personal opinion but by established historical facts had proven Black man had governed themselves before Colonialist dismantled natural borders.. That itself is innovation. If you like dey deceive yourself.

Lee Kwan Yew gave one reason out of many, why current Africans arrangement can't govern themselves in this dispensation.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYkZg9rB1QN/?igsh=ZjFkYzMzMDQzZg%3D%3D

For those who would like to learn. Watch why current setups can't govern themselves.

Mujtahida:
"Watch why current setups can't govern themselves."

I say he cannot govern. You are giving me reasons proving my assertion. You see why engaging you is a waste of time?

Typical black man. Always full of excuses! Cry cry baby of the world. Nonsense!

Napoleon55:
If I may add,
since the topic of your arguments is about civilization,
can both of you try to guid your language and choice of your words and keep them as civil as you can,to make easier for others to read.

@Forgiveness and Mujtahida.

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— Newton (@Biggnewton) August 27, 2026

forgiveness:
I will send another to tell you why you can't govern now. It is because we are still under indirect colonialism.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbVAOGFTUmj/?igsh=MW9nZ2llaHFrNGw5MQ%3D%3D

Napoleon55:
If I may add,
since the topic of your arguments is about civilization,
can both of you try to guid your language and choice of your words and keep them as civil as you can,to make easier for others to read.

@Forgiveness and Mujtahida.

forgiveness:
I don tire. He is focusing on modern civilization to define previous civilization. I don tire.

Did Pyramids add any value to Africa and the world? Yes,

1. The Pyramid has added to this argument alone because without this, dem go claim Africa no get civilization or can't innovate. The pyramid alone has helped to believe that those stories in the bible are true.
2. Egypt is not all about Pyramid. The mathematics used to build pyramid was able to help research develop how Eyptians surveyed land,.
3. Geometry, proportions, and astronomical orientation.
4. Influenced architecture. Why you see skyscrapers up and down. Thanks to Pyramid.

Mujtahida:
Indirect what? 🤣🤣🤣. Of all the people wey dem colonize, na only you still dey under indirect colonization. If you are still under indirect colonization, it's because you are weak!

I hope you know that oyibo people were colonized and enslaved too. In fact the word slave is from the Slavic 'slav'

Philosopher1979:
At a very direct level. Egypt makes a lot of money from tourism to the pyramids and other ancient landmarks in Egypt. So even now, raw cash is being made. That's a very practical contribution.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://nilecruisen.com/news/egypt-records-historic-tourism-earnings-of-16-7-billion-during-fy2024-25/&ved=2ahUKEwinsdjPusOWAxUKT0EAHfFGHFoQFnoECEEQAQ&sqi=2&usg=AOvVaw0m-8qAZQEPojvG1asb3k1P

TheSuperNerd:
Uefa Europa Conference league results and qualified teams in designated Pots ahead of draws today.

🇳🇬Naija lads in the Uefa Europa Conference League

Pot 1
Ajax - Tolu Arokodare

Pot 2
FC Midtjylland - Stanley Iheanacho, Friday Etim, *Julius Emefile

Red Star Belgrade (Crvena Zvezda) - Jay Enem

KAA Gent - Abubakar Abdullahi

Panathinaikos - Cyriel Dessers

Brighton - Zadok Yohanna


Pot 3
Borac Banja Luka - Anderson Esiti


Pot 4
Trabzonspor - Chibuike Nwaiwu, Paul Onuachu

Universitateo Craiova - Monday Etim*


Pot 5
Riga FC - Abdulrahman Taiwo

Jablonec - Nelson Okeke


Pot 6
FK Kauno Zalgiris - Nosa Iyobosa Edokpolor

Iberia 1999 Tbilisi - Ibrahim Alhassan Abdullahi, Stephen Ende

TheSuperNerd:
The UECL Pots' Draw results showing the 6 matches/teams each team will play/face in the 2026/27 UECL League Phase proper.

Pots 1-4 draw results (League Phase)...

TheSuperNerd:
Uefa Europa league results, qualified teams, Pots and draws for the 2026/27 Europa League Season.

🇳🇬Naija lads in the Uefa Europa League

Pot 1
Bayer Leverkusen - Victor Boniface, Nathan Tella

AC Milan - Samuel Chukwueze

Olympiacos - Bruno Onyemaechi

Marseille - Tochukwu Nnadi


Pot 2
Ferencvaros - Bamidele Yusuf

Viktoria Plzen - Salim Fago Lawal

Sparta Praha - Emmanuel Uchenna (Still injured)


Pot 3
NK Celje - Papa Daniel

Jagiellonia - Jeremy Agbonifo*

Omonia Nicosia - Francis Uzoho


Pot 4
Besiktas - Wilfred Ndidi

Lillestrom SK - Seun Akanji

Levski Sofia - Armstrong Oko-Flex*