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Poll: If a man refuses DNA test because he loves the child too much does that make him a simp?

Yes 66% (4 votes)
No 33% (2 votes)
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Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 2:31pm On Aug 31
LouisdeFrance:
It's about the father's lineage which is de France.

Before pre colonial there was no such name as Black or African, each group saw themselves by ethnicity either patriarchy or matriarchal or religion like Islamic or Christian. You're not demanding Creoles identify as Igbo? No, you want us in the Black African box so you can feel superior. grin Thats why you keep reminding me Creoles have African blood but we also have European. Native American and other bloodlines. Unlike Igbos the Creole people are not one bloodline.

No one wants to destroy caste only put their caste on top.


I desire to destroy caste and treat all as equal children of the Most High whilst still respecting each other's boundaries. Not every one wants to be a child of God but to that I say, freedom of religion. I don't have issues with Vodou people only heretic Christians that practice Freemasonry which is witchcraft. I have issues with Muslims that practice shirk by being Freemasons.
What did all those that were oppressed and discriminated against have in common?
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 2:35pm On Aug 31
QuinQ:
Exactly. Just like for example, after voluntarily telling us you went to secondary school in Onitsha now starts telling us every student had a laptop!
If he had simply said he was just another white guy from Louisiana and not a Creole, end of story.
Instead of admitting you are a Creole then twisting how you have no African blood.
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 2:52pm On Aug 31
QuinQQ:
It is past 4am here , this is my last post.
Black box means nothing. You know it is not about the black box. It is about you trying to maintain the middle group that France fooled you with, instead of discarding it and joining others in the fight against the opresor. Instead your only fight is against being grouped with other African Americans! How despicable, sad, and pathetic.

You still haven't explained how your haplogrouo can be J and at same time you're claiming King Louis. See below. Someone is lying as usual!
LouisdeFrance sit yourself down and honestly ask yourself the real reason why you so much hate to be grouped with other African Americans. If you were a mulatto, enslaved because your mother was enslaved, will you be busy fighting slavery or will you be busy fighting not to be grouped with other enslaved people?
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 3:06pm On Aug 31
QuinQQ:
DMCA tell him to run along.
LouisdeFrance now you kmow!
From now on you'll no longer be talking DNA with so much confidence. It is a probabilistic art NOT pure science!
QED
Humans love what they don't understand. Most don't understand DNA. All they know is that it magically tells you who was in a certain location thousands of years ago.
Even if Jacob himself comes and tells them about how Eri of Igbos left, they would be shouting haplogroup at him.grin
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 2:15am On Sep 01
DMCA:
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then u go come back come teach am cool
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e go tight pass undersized panny wey dem wear ontop big nyash cool
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after una don get una delulu flavored secret bloodline children, I go tell Ben Carson make him use him first degree (Psychology) knowledge do u therapy for ur DNA delulu. cool
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Good and thoughtful analysis. I award you one panny. How u like the colour? I bent down to take it

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 2:16am On Sep 01
DiarisGodoo:
LouisdeFrance sit yourself down and honestly ask yourself the real reason why you so much hate to be grouped with other African Americans. If you were a mulatto, enslaved because your mother was enslaved, will you be busy fighting slavery or will you be busy fighting not to be grouped with other enslaved people?
I think he finally got the message
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 3:42am On Sep 01
DiarisGodoo:
What did all those that were oppressed and discriminated against have in common?
Fear of big men. Fear of big women. They raided and captured slaves. No one protested or fought against slavery, it was a celebrated custom.

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 3:45am On Sep 01
DiarisGodoo:
If he had simply said he was just another white guy from Louisiana and not a Creole, end of story.
Instead of admitting you are a Creole then twisting how you have no African blood.
I have North African blood. My maternal haplagroup is M1a1a. Both sides of my direct family tree came to the New World on passenger ships not slave ships.
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 3:46am On Sep 01
DiarisGodoo:
Humans love what they don't understand. Most don't understand DNA. All they know is that it magically tells you who was in a certain location thousands of years ago.
Even if Jacob himself comes and tells them about how Eri of Igbos left, they would be shouting haplogroup at him.grin

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance:
QuinQ:
Good and thoughtful analysis. I award you one panny. How u like the colour? I bent down to take it
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 5:41am On Sep 01
LouisdeFrance:
I have North African blood. My maternal haplagroup is M1a1a. Both sides of my direct family tree came to the New World on passenger ships not slave ships.
You are free to say whatever you wish and we are free to shout "LIAR!!!"
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 5:44am On Sep 01
LouisdeFrance:
Fear of big men. Fear of big women. They raided and captured slaves. No one protested or fought against slavery, it was a celebrated custom.
You are free to say whatever you wish and we are free to shout "LIAR!!!" See below

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 4:46pm On Sep 01
LouisdeFrance:
.
Do you know this photo you keep posting is Duke Alessandro de' Medici (1510–1537), the first Duke of Florence, WHO WAS BLACK!

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 8:04pm On Sep 01
QuinQ:
Do you know this photo you keep posting is Duke Alessandro de' Medici (1510–1537), the first Duke of Florence, WHO WAS BLACK!
Black is a caste and Igbo is an ethnic group. The Duke was part North African. I am part North African and the duke almost looks similar to me. But I ain't gotta guess that he looks nothing like you. grin
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DMCA: 8:35pm On Sep 01
QuinQ:
Good and thoughtful analysis. I award you one panny. How u like the colour? I bent down to take it
red no follow angry






stock photos of better ones no dey? grin
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 9:42pm On Sep 01
DMCA:
red no follow angry






stock photos of better ones no dey? grin
H'about this color? Not my favorite panny

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 10:22pm On Sep 01
LouisdeFrance:
Black is a caste and Igbo is an ethnic group. The Duke was part North African. I am part North African and the duke almost looks similar to me. But I ain't gotta guess that he looks nothing like you. grin
Which North African? grin
Wr already told you yiu blew it when you admitted you are Louisiana Creole. You MUST have West African blood!!!
His mother was likely Sub-Saharan African. See below.
Of course he is an admixture just like you. But unlike you he's not claiming to be from tan people!😅

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 10:26pm On Sep 01
QuinQ:
Which North African? grin
Wr already told you yiu blew it when you admitted you are Louisiana Creole. You MUST have West African blood!!!
His mother was likely Sub-Saharan African. See below.
Of course he is an admixture just like you. But unlike you he's not claiming to be from tan people!😅
All Creoles everywhere are my people. Just like all Igbo people everywhere are your people. All Yorubas everywhere are Yorubas. There is no black. The black is a caste not a people.

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 10:48pm On Sep 01
LouisdeFrance:
All Creoles everywhere are my people. Just like all Igbo people everywhere are your people. All Yorubas everywhere are Yorubas. There is no black. The black is a caste not a people.
You are talking crap again. Height of delusion. It is NOT appearance that makes people kin. Alessandro Medici has absolutely NOTHING to do with you. Your kinship is with fellow African Ameticans disadvantaged by the same systemic racism in your country. Within that you have the subset called Creoles some of whom may not look like you at all, as shown below!

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 11:08pm On Sep 01
QuinQ:
You are talking crap again. Height of delusion. It is NOT appearance that makes people kin. Alessandro Medici has absolutely NOTHING to do with you. Your kinship is with fellow African Ameticans disadvantaged by the same systemic racism in your country. Within that you have the subset called Creoles some of whom may not look like you at all, as shown below!
grin


Alessandro looks a lot like me. Have you even seen what I look like? I look more like Alessandro than you but you are always grouping me with West Africa, of which I am flattered but its not true. It just isn't true. No big deal, right? Maybe next life God will bless me with an Igbo father and mother. But until then I am a J2 haplagroup Semitic man with North African Ethiopian M1a1a maternal haplagroup. Poor me. grin
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQ(f): 11:52pm On Sep 01
LouisdeFrance:
grin


Alessandro looks a lot like me. Have you even seen what I look like? I look more like Alessandro than you but you are always grouping me with West Africa, of which I am flattered but its not true. It just isn't true. No big deal, right? Maybe next life God will bless me with an Igbo father and mother. But until then I am a J2 haplagroup Semitic man with North African Ethiopian M1a1a maternal haplagroup. Poor me. grin
Height of stupidity! The French really did a number on you folks. The funny thing is that you can't even see it. WHAT has appearance to do with ethnicity??
Therefore all these Igbo Ladies below are your Creole sisters? Unbelievable!
Note the circled.
(People post their DNA all over. Why are you shy about posting yours?!)😅

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 1:41am On Sep 02
QuinQ:
Height of stupidity! The French really did a number on you folks. The funny thing is that you can't even see it. WHAT has appearance to do with ethnicity??
Therefore all these Igbo Ladies below are your Creole sisters? Unbelievable!
Note the circled.
(People post their DNA all over. Why are you shy about posting yours?!)😅
**The Genetic Profile of Louisiana & Mississippi Creole Men vs. Women**

### **1. Paternal Haplogroups (Men):**
- Most Louisiana/Mississippi Creole *men* belong to **J1, J2, or G2a haplogroups**, indicating strong European/Middle Eastern ancestry with little-to-no African lineage:
> - Their Y-DNA traces back to Mediterranean/Semitic origins…
>> Not sub-Saharan Africa! *(Source: DNA Studies)*

### ***2**. Maternal Lineage (Women)***
In contrast:
> - Many Creole *women* carry African maternal haplogroups (**L1/L2/L3**)…
>> Showing direct descent from enslaved West/Central Africans!


**The One-Drop Rule & Creole Men’s Caste System: A Historical Injustice**

### **1. The One-Drop Rule’s Impact:**
- Under *the one-drop rule* (a racist U.S. legal doctrine), Creole men—despite their European/Jewish/Middle Eastern ancestry—were often reclassified as "Black" by society:
> - Their mixed heritage didn’t protect them…
>> Forcing many into the lowest caste alongside African Americans! *(Source: Civil Rights History)*

### ***2**. Social Consequences***
This meant:
> - Being denied white privileges (voting, marriage rights)…
>> While also facing discrimination from Black communities who saw them as "not really Black"!

Yet black is a caste and Igbo is an ethnic group and Creole is an ethnic group.

**Black as a Caste System: Historical & Modern Implications**

### **1. The Construct of "Black" as a Social Caste:**
- In the U.S., "*being Black*" was legally and socially defined as a caste—regardless of genetics, culture, or self-identification:
> - The one-drop rule made any trace of African ancestry = Black…
>> Forcing millions into racialized oppression! *(Source: Critical Race Theory)*

### ***2**. How It Functioned***
The system:
> - Created an artificial hierarchy with whites at top…
>> And people deemed "non-white" stripped of rights!


**White as a Caste System: Historical & Modern Implications**

### **1. The Construct of "Whiteness" as a Social Caste:**
- In the U.S., "*being White*" was created and enforced as the dominant social caste—granted privileges like voting, property ownership, and legal protection:
> - White isn't a skin color
>> It was a political identity tied to power! *(Source: Critical Race Theory)*

### ***2**. How It Operated***
The white caste:
> - Excluded non-whites from wealth/opportunity…
>> While policing who could "join" through xenophobia/nativism!

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 2:02am On Sep 02
# The Ships of Deuteronomy: Prophetic Myth vs. The Historical Reality of West African Enslavement

History is often a battlefield between the comfort of myth and the friction of fact. When we look at the catastrophic legacy of the Transatlantic Slave Trade, the weight of historical trauma has led various communities to seek cosmic explanations for historical tragedies. Among certain Black Hebrew Israelite groups and specific Igbo cultural movements, Deuteronomy 28 has long been invoked as a divine explanation. In this framework, the brutal capture and scattering of millions are viewed not as a human crime, but as the fulfillment of a biblical curse—a divine punishment meted out to a chosen people who broke their covenant.

But beneath the surface of this theological explanation lies a harsher, more uncomfortable psychological reality. When examined critically, the insistence on a prophetic curse functions less like objective theology and more like a profound cultural cover-up—a protective shield designed to obscure the historical shame and guilt of self-inflicted betrayal.

### The Theological Shield

Deuteronomy 28 is a text of stark warnings, detailing the curses of illness, defeat, and exile that would befall the ancient Israelites if they turned away from their law. Verses speaking of "yokes of iron" and being taken "into Egypt again with ships" are frequently weaponized by modern movements to claim a literal, genetic link between ancient Levantine Hebrews and the victims of the Middle Passage.

Yet, from an academic and historical standpoint, this application is a profound anachronism. The text was forged in the crucible of the ancient Near East, written to address the immediate, regional threats of the Assyrian and Babylonian empires. To stretch this ancient text across millennia and geography to fit the shores of West Africa requires a deliberate reshaping of history.

Why, then, does this interpretation persist with such fierce devotion? Because prophecy offers something that raw history cannot: an escape from the burden of agency. If the Transatlantic Slave Trade was a mandated act of God, it transforms a sordid history of human greed, tribal warfare, and internal betrayal into a grand, cosmic destiny.

### The Uncomfortable Truth: Intra-Ethnic Enslavement

To face history without the protective lens of prophecy means confronting a devastating reality: the internal mechanics of West African enslavement. The narrative that Africans were merely passive victims of external predators ignores the highly organized, internal commerce of the region. Furthermore, it obscures the reality that groups like the Igbo actively engaged in enslaving one another.

In the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries, Igboland was not a harmonious, singular nation; it was a fragmented landscape of rival clans, village networks, and powerful confederacies. Through mechanisms like the Aro Oracle and localized military alliances, Igbos routinely waged war on neighboring Igbo communities. The captives of these inter-ethnic conflicts were not treated as brothers; they were commodified.

Whether through judicial punishments, the settlement of domestic debts, or active raids designed to secure European firearms and manufactured goods, people sold those within their own geographic and linguistic spheres. This was not a passive compliance with European demands; it was an active participation in a lucrative, albeit destructive, global economy.

### Prophecy as a Cover-Up for Shame

Psychologically, the human mind struggles to carry the weight of historical self-sabotage. For descendants of the enslaved and descendants of those who participated in the trade, acknowledging that their ancestors were commodified and sold by people who shared their regional roots induces a profound sense of historical shame. It forces an existential confrontation with the reality of internal betrayal.

This is where the Israelite narrative serves its true purpose: as a psychological defense mechanism.

By claiming that West Africans were actually the wandering tribes of Israel, the narrative shifts the blame entirely. The historical guilt of selling one's neighbors, or the vulnerability of having been betrayed by one's own region, is replaced by a grand narrative of divine selection. The shame of intra-ethnic warfare and human trafficking is sanitized. Under the guise of prophecy, a historical crime driven by political survival and economic greed is reimagined as a spiritual trial.

### Moving Past the Myth

History demands that we look at the past without rewriting it to soothe modern sensibilities. The ancient Israelites were a product of the Levant, whose struggles in Babylon and the Mediterranean are well-documented by archeology and contemporary texts. The peoples of West Africa possessed their own rich, complex, and distinct civilizations—civilizations that, like all human societies, were capable of great achievements as well as profound moral failures.

Using Deuteronomy 28 to explain away the mechanics of the slave trade does a disservice to both biblical scholarship and African history. It acts as a cover-up for a painful truth. Only by stripping away the comforting armor of myth can we confront the raw realities of history: that the slave trade was powered not by divine decree, but by the tragic, all-too-human cycles of warfare, greed, and the betrayal of the vulnerable by the powerful.

Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DMCA: 10:53am On Sep 02
QuinQ:
H'about this color? Not my favorite panny
why e go get rainbow colors
maybe louisdefrance secret-ly tell u say him like am.
na LGBTQIA+ vibe be dat angry
shaa na to pull am drill d LQBTQIA commot from wetin e cover cool
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo:
LouisdeFrance:
I have North African blood. My maternal haplagroup is M1a1a. Both sides of my direct family tree came to the New World on passenger ships not slave ships.
Assuming there were any North Africans at all in colonial Louisiana, so somehow your bloodline stayed endogamous to it and managed to avoid all those mixings of West African, European, and a little bit of Indian. Okay o.
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 12:25pm On Sep 02
LouisdeFrance:
Fear of big men. Fear of big women. They raided and captured slaves. No one protested or fought against slavery, it was a celebrated custom.
On the contrary, all they did was fight against slave raiders organized and armed by Europeans, so much so that Europeans haven't been able to.write it out of history. Though they have managed to convince casual observers like you that Africans were literally begging them to buy people.
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 12:27pm On Sep 02
QuinQ:
I think he finally got the message
I think so too. He is now just trying to save a little face
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 2:00pm On Sep 02
LouisdeFrance:
**The Genetic Profile of Louisiana & Mississippi Creole Men vs. Women** !
**The Genetic Profile of Louisiana & Mississippi Creole Men vs. Women**

### **1. Paternal Haplogroups (Men):**
- Most Louisiana/Mississippi Creole *men* belong to ** haplogroups** R1B, indicating strong European ancestry with a little bit of African and Mediterranean lineage:
> - Their Y-DNA traces back to mainly European origins…
>> But also some sub-Saharan African *(Source: DNA Studies)*

### **2. Maternal Haplogroups (Men):**
1) African Haplogroups (L0, L1, L2, L3): 90% maternal lines trace back to enslaved or free African women who lived in colonial Louisiana. Common specific sub-lineages include L1b1a, L2a1a, and L2a1, reflecting origins in West and Central Africa.
2) Native American Haplogroups (A2, B2, C1, D): About 10% of tested Creole lineages feature indigenous maternal markers.

### ***3**. Maternal Lineage (Women)***
> - Most Creole *women* carry African maternal haplogroups (**L1/L2/L3**)…
>> Just like the men, showing direct descent from enslaved and free West/Central Africans.

**The One-Drop Rule & Some Creole Men’s Foolishness: A Historical perspective**

### **1. The One-Drop Rule’s Impact:**
- Under *the one-drop rule* (a black unifying U.S. legal doctrine), Creole and other mixed non-Creole men—despite their mostly European ancestry—were classified as "Black" :
> - Their mixed heritage notwithstanding …
>> Making many mixed no longer ambivalent but now fully and unequivocally African Americans! *(Source: Civil Rights History)*

### ***2**. Social Consequences***
This meant:
> - Fighting alongside other African Americans against systemic racism…
>> Instead of being ambivalent as to where they belong and if they are "really Black"!
### ***Some Creole men foolishly cling to light skin inherited from slave masters instead of seeing that the fight is against the racist and discriminatory establishment**. ***
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by DiarisGodoo: 2:12pm On Sep 02
LouisdeFrance:
**The Genetic Profile of Louisiana & Mississippi Creole Men vs. Women** !
These videos perfectly illustrate the above

https://youtube.com/shorts/O4HosaqhVrA?si=rYigh6mJyzoVaF1y

https://youtube.com/shorts/q4BijtK8YfU?si=ZswFHiAxJe0rMWQ2
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 2:56pm On Sep 02
DiarisGodoo:
Assuming there were any North Africans at all in colonial Louisiana, so somehow your bloodline stayed endogamous to it and managed to avoid all those mixings of West African, European, and a little bit of Indian. Okay o.
No. My great great grandmother came from Ethiopia it is a family oral history. And it waa verified by DNA testing and the maternal haplogroup M1a1a of all my female relatives on my mother's side. That's why it is important to match genetics with the genealogy or family tree. How come you can't do it that way? Why does Igbo story say that you're Middle Eastern but your DNA says West Africa?
Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by LouisdeFrance: 3:02pm On Sep 02
DiarisGodoo:
On the contrary, all they did was fight against slave raiders organized and armed by Europeans, so much so that Europeans haven't been able to.write it out of history. Though they have managed to convince casual observers like you that Africans were literally begging them to buy people.
No. Queen Nzinga waa a big time slave trader and so waa King Alphonso. They had treaties with Europeans that specified slaves be taken only from the areas of those refusing their rule. And besides the insiders or chiefs got rich off of the trade so no one desired to stop it. That was until it affected them and that's really how yall see right and wrong. Silent when the elephant is on another's foot but cry out when it affects you.
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