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reubenobi:
So, your problem now is finding the church that is performing miracles, But not finding the pathway of the truth.

I'm 100% sure that there is none after the destruction of Jerusalem in the first century God never gave anyone power to perform miracles again because the people who supposed to benefit from it has been dispersed from that land.

You people aren't ready to STUDY God's word instead it's signs and wonders that's pushing you from one deceiver to another. Matthew 16:4

MaxInDHouse:
I'm 100% sure that there is none after the destruction of Jerusalem in the first century God never gave anyone power to perform miracles again because the people who supposed to benefit from it has been dispersed from that land.

You people aren't ready to STUDY God's word instead it's signs and wonders that's pushing you from one deceiver to another. Matthew 16:4

I just can't stop laughing at your ignorance. You really lack knowledge about the office of Christ.

reubenobi:
I just can't stop laughing at your ignorance. You really lack knowledge about the office of Christ.

Please are you talking about the office that has produced no fine fruit among you people? Matthew 7:16-18

Well knowing the office of the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} should help to teach you how peace supposed to reign among all his disciples globally! Act 1:8

MaxInDHouse:
Please are you talking about the office that has produced no fine fruit among you people? Matthew 7:16-18

Well knowing the office of the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} should help to teach you how peace supposed to reign among all his disciples globally! Act 1:8

you cannot see the fine fruit when your heart is dull of understanding.
I just pray you will be set free from this stronghold of delusion you are in.

reubenobi:
you cannot see the fine fruit when your heart is dull of understanding. I just pray you will be set free from this stronghold of delusion you are in.

You're just here to argue blindly why not quote God's word to support your premises if truly you understand it?

I told you God never gave anyone who is not an Israelite in Bible times the privilege to perform miracles you can't prove me wrong.

I told you after Jesus such gifts stopped even among first century Christians after the destruction of Jerusalem you can't prove me wrong.

I told you the reason why it's so you can't prove me wrong but just arguing because of those deceivers telling you lies. When they are sick they will use your money to fly abroad for treatment but when you are sick they will tell you to come for miracles and gather actors to make you feel there is power to do so.

Well i never came here for aimless arguments i have proved my point but if anyone as in ANYONE wants to prove me wrong the Bible is there and you can also mention the name of your church where real miracles happens in the hand of your PASTOR!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
You're just here to argue blindly why not quote God's word to support your premises if truly you understand it?

I told you God never gave anyone who is not an Israelite in Bible times the privilege to perform miracles you can't prove me wrong.

I told you after Jesus such gifts stopped even among first century Christians after the destruction of Jerusalem you can't prove me wrong.

I told you the reason why it's so you can't prove me wrong but just arguing because of those deceivers telling you lies. When they are sick they will use your money to fly abroad for treatment but when you are sick they will tell you to come for miracles and gather actors to make you feel there is power to do so.

Well i never came here for aimless arguments i have proved my point but if anyone as in ANYONE wants to prove me wrong the Bible is there and you can also mention the name of your church where real miracles happens in the hand of your PASTOR!🙂

why should I continue arguing with you when I know that nothing I say will matter to you. Since you claim all stopped, are you now saying 1 Corinthians 12 vs 8-10 is not in your Bible? Was Timothy an Israelite before he was giving gift by the laying of hands of the presbytery(1 Timothy 4 vs 14, or was it by faith in Christ Jesus it came to him? You cannot experience miracle because your heart have been shut from it. Even if it's done in your face, you still won't believe.

reubenobi:
Was Timothy an Israelite before he was giving gift by the laying of hands of the presbytery.

Timothy that was seriously sick and was advised to get MEDICINE? 1Timothy 5:23

Continue deceiving yourself jọọ!🥱

MaxInDHouse:
Peacemakers!
Jesus said:

“Happy are the peacemakers, since they will be called sons of God." Matthew 5:9

Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} so his true Witnesses are given power to make peace reign {Act 1:8} among all the people welcoming the Good News of God's Kingdom! Isaiah 2:4

We don't expect anyone to perform any sign before we believe that there are supernatural powers such exists before foreign religions came to Africa so only a liar will deny the involvement of spirit beings in the affairs of men but when it comes to the true religion we focus on the fruitage it supposed to produce in the gathering of those having the spirit of the true God! Galatians 5:22-23

We are not deceived by signs that's of no good fruit! Matthew 7:21-23🙂

A man's witnessing of Christ Jesus is incomplete if such one cannot do those same signs that Jesus did.
There is no Jew or gentile anymore. There is no circumcision or uncircumcision anymore.
The only requirement save from salvation is the circumcision of the heart which is true repentance.

bixton:
A man's witnessing of Christ Jesus is incomplete if such one cannot do those same signs that Jesus did.
There is no Jew or gentile anymore. There is no circumcision or uncircumcision anymore.
The only requirement save from salvation is the circumcision of the heart which is true repentance.

Jesus said miraculous healing in strictly exclusive for Israelites! Matthew 15:24

Paul said supernatural powers will end in the first century because it's just a sign that the true God has chosen Jesus' disciples as His true worshipers! 1Corinthans 13:8-10

God has never ever used anyone who is not an Israelite to perform miracle!

These are the points you need to address not just arguing blindly!🥱

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said miraculous healing in strictly exclusive for Israelites! Matthew 15:24

Paul said supernatural powers will end in the first century because it's just a sign that the true God has chosen Jesus' disciples as His true worshipers! 1Corinthans 13:8-10

God has never ever used anyone who is not an Israelite to perform miracle!

These are the points you need to address not just arguing blindly!🥱

You're the one who is arguing blindly. If God reserves that power for only Israel, of what importance is your witnessing of the gospel to those who are by natural birth non jewish or of Israel. Why would God need non Israelites to be witnesses of the gospel of Christ Jesus and to propagate same....?!!!!?




Ps.82.6 - I said, "You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High.

John.10.34 - Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, "I said, "You are gods"'?
John.10.35 - If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),


2Tim.3.5 - having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!


Titus.1.16 - They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

bixton:
A man's witnessing of Christ Jesus is incomplete if such one cannot do those same signs that Jesus did.
There is no Jew or gentile anymore. There is no circumcision or uncircumcision anymore.
The only requirement save from salvation is the circumcision of the heart which is true repentance.

Be careful of your assertions when you said: "A man's witnessing of Christ Jesus is incomplete if such one cannot do those same signs that Jesus did."
Apollos was a great teacher and witness of Christ but there was no record of him doing signs.

bixton:
If God reserves that power for only Israel, of what importance is your witnessing of the gospel to those who are by natural birth non jewish or of Israel?

God has promised the Israelites that He will send another prophet like Moses to them {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} Moses served as God in his time just as Jesus did in his time {Exodus 7:1; Isaiah 9:6} so both of them to appear before the Israelites with supernatural powers for them to know that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has come to deliver them.
That is why Jesus must perform healings and his disciples too needs to do the same because the Bible has not been compiled those inspired by God to complete the message must be from among Jesus' disciples so supernatural acts must accompany their messages.
But after the Bible has been completed there is no need for such again because all nations have experience supernatural acts even before knowing the God of Israel. 1Corinthans 13:8-10
The only sign that sincere people need is the LOVE that will reign globally among God's own people {John 13:34-35} as for supernatural acts all religions have it but as for LOVE which is the only sign Jesus said we need to see it's only God's true worshipers will have it among themselves! John 13:34-35

bixton:
Why would God need non Israelites to be witnesses of the gospel of Christ Jesus and to propagate same....?

Because God promised that all nations of the world will be shaken and virtuous people will be extracted from all the nations {Haggai 2:7} so to fetch this ones anyone hearing the message will call his neighbor in the language they both understands {Revelation 22:17} that is why disciples from other countries are needed for the ministry and the sign we will see is the LOVE that permeates the gathering of holy ones not supernatural acts! John 13:34-35🙂

MaxInDHouse:
God has promised the Israelites that He will send another prophet like Moses to them {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} Moses served as God in his time just as Jesus did in his time {Exodus 7:1; Isaiah 9:6} so both of them to appear before the Israelites with supernatural powers for them to know that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has come to deliver them.
That is why Jesus must perform healings and his disciples too needs to do the same because the Bible has not been compiled those inspired by God to complete the message must be from among Jesus' disciples so supernatural acts must accompany their messages.
But after the Bible has been completed there is no need for such again because all nations have experience supernatural acts even before knowing the God of Israel. 1Corinthans 13:8-10
The only sign that sincere people need is the LOVE that will reign globally among God's own people {John 13:34-35} as for supernatural acts all religions have it but as for LOVE which is the only sign Jesus said we need to see it's only God's true worshipers will have it among themselves! John 13:34-35


Because God promised that all nations of the world will be shaken and virtuous people will be extracted from all the nations {Haggai 2:7} so to fetch this ones anyone hearing the message will call his neighbor in the language they both understands {Revelation 22:17} that is why disciples from other countries are needed for the ministry and the sign we will see is the LOVE that permeates the gathering of holy ones not supernatural acts! John 13:34-35🙂

Partial obedience is still disobedience and it's sin.

Jas.1.22 - But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.


The true witnesses takes God's WORD wholesome and not what they like or assume to be right.

ocnovakmichael:
Be careful of your assertions when you said: "A man's witnessing of Christ Jesus is incomplete if such one cannot do those same signs that Jesus did."
Apollos was a great teacher and witness of Christ but there was no record of him doing signs.

Why will I be careful about such....!!!

Same way the Holy Bible didn't write all the miracles done by Christ Jesus.

The Holy Bible gives us what is necessary for our well-being for consumption physically spiritually and for our edification.

bixton:
Partial obedience is still disobedience and it's sin.
Jas.1.22 - But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
The true witnesses takes God's WORD wholesome and not what they like or assume to be right.

How does PARTIAL OBEDIENCE applies to the topic now?😟

I said miraculous healing stopped since the first century and God never appoint anyone to perform miracles in His name except ISRAELITES.

Please that's what you quoted me for not obedience to God's word!😟

MaxInDHouse:
How does PARTIAL OBEDIENCE applies to the topic now?😟

I said miraculous healing stopped since the first century and God never appoint anyone to perform miracles in His name except ISRAELITES.

Please that's what you quoted me for not obedience to God's word!😟

You can't point it any where in the Holy Bible where it's written.
You come up and say miracle is only limited to one who is an Israeli and no non Isreal.

You're very unserious...
You're telling a public forum that miracles stopped since the first century and the professing of the gospel did not stopped?


Who stopped the miracles and why didn't the gospel stopped?


What are those signs that scripture says will follow them that believe......!!?!!!!

Mark.16.17 - And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;
Mark.16.18 - they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."
Mark.16.19 - So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.
Mark.16.20 - And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.



John.14.12 - "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.
John.14.13 - And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.




Who exactly is the misinformed?
That the above stopped during the first century?

It probably stopped in the figment of your minds.

bixton:
Miracles stopped since the first century and the professing of the gospel did not stopped?

Don't get things twisted God works His miracles everyday it's giving humans the privilege to mediate in such that has stopped after the completion of the Bible.

bixton:
Who stopped the miracles and why didn't the gospel stopped?

After the destruction of Jerusalem where the people for whom such acts were commissioned has been dispersed God never gave anyone such privileges again.

bixton:
What are those signs that scripture says will follow them that believe......!!?!!!!

Jesus said:

"By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:35

So because God whose name is LOVE {1John 4:8} dwells among them everyone will testify to the fact that love is among God's true worshipers.

As for supernatural events all religions have it so it's useless now!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Don't get things twisted God works His miracles everyday it's giving humans the privilege to mediate in such that has stopped after the completion of the Bible.


After the destruction of Jerusalem where the people for whom such acts were commissioned has been dispersed God never gave anyone such privileges again.


Jesus said:

"By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:35

So because God whose name is LOVE {1John 4:8} dwells among them everyone will testify to the fact that love is among God's true worshipers.

As for supernatural events all religions have it so it's useless now!🙂

Please stop twisting Scripture to satisfy yourself. This is even more worse than the people you claim to be deceiving others by performing miracles and signs.

You're deliberately trained to falsely misrepresent the Holy Bible and the works of God through Christ Jesus and His own.

bixton:
Please stop twisting Scripture to satisfy yourself. This is even more worse than the people you claim to be deceiving others by performing miracles and signs. You're deliberately trained to falsely misrepresent the Holy Bible and the works of God through Christ Jesus and His own.

I'm only showing you what you don't know!

The people claiming they are performing miracles are deceiving you they know you want to be entertained that's why they keep on creating more and more content for more viewers to come and pay for it.

You have refused to answer a question that's so simple:

Mention a church where real miracles happens today and let's see if what i'm saying is not true!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
I'm only showing you what you don't know!

The people claiming they are performing miracles are deceiving you they know you want to be entertained that's why they keep on creating more and more content for more viewers to come and pay for it.

You have refused to answer a question that's so simple:

Mention a church where real miracles happens today and let's see if what i'm saying is not true!🙂

Do I still need to mention names of Churches when in one of my previous comments I have mentioned names of Ministers with known names of Churches.....!!!


You can't show me what I don't know when you certainly don't know what you're telling me.....!!!!!


I have asked you.....
Of what need if those signs stopped during the first century, what is the essence of your preaching the gospel of Christ Jesus to others?


How different is the love you think you preach to Bible pattern to that of those who are atheist?

bixton:
Do I still need to mention names of Churches when in one of my previous comments I have mentioned names of Ministers with known names of Churches.....!!!

Stop deceiving yourself!🥱

I asked you to mention one here so everyone can go there now for what you call miracles!🙂

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MaxInDHouse:
Stop deceiving yourself!🥱

I asked you to mention one here so everyone can go there now for what you call miracles!🙂

You're the one who is full of deceit.
Who is the everyone who should go there?!!!
Are you also going to.go there!!!!
For someone who doesn't believe in miracles, have you ever visited any of the Churches or your kind been there to physically make themselves present?

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It is impossible for power to operate without knowledge. It is like laying hands on an unbeliever to receive the Holy Ghost when the unbeliever has to prior knowledge of Christ. This is why Jesus say, "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelling with you, and shall be in you" (John 14:17).

Notice the penultimate statement says, "... The Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive..."

The progression is knowledge first before power. The theatrics of power before knowledge demonstrated amongst some Christian today is them putting the cat before the horse. Again scripture says, "And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them" (Luke 5:17).

Notice in that text, Jesus taught the people before demonstrating the healing power.

After that the Holy Ghost is come upon us we receive the ability to witness Christ and while we are witnesses him, the Lord is working with us with signs following. This is exactly what happened to Simone in Samaria:

Acts 8:5-7
[5]Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
[6]And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.
[7]For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.



Notice how that after the people heard and had had knowledge of Christ they started seeing miracles and healings.

It is knowledge before power.