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Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by Nteogwuija(m): 10:18pm On Aug 31

LordIsaac:
A very sound doctrine this is, I must confess.

So because there are porn sites on the internet, people should stop using it, abi?

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by trytillmake(m): 10:19pm On Aug 31

nairalanda1:
Deeper life was founded in NIgeria, not in America

Also Kumuyi discouraged watching of television back then.

It is not something that I hold against him, even though I disagree with his beliefs back then. Christians back then worldwide, some had a positive view of television, and even saw the ministry potential of television, others had a bad view of television back then

The problem was that in Kumuyi's younger days, television was a different 'beast' back then. All sorts of programmes, including programmes that were not edifying to christians were shown on the box...and there was nothing like christian channels, or christian tv or cable tv or the DSTV parental control button...plus there was a lot of influx of programmes that were from a nigerian set up immoral

BY the time Kumuyi changed his stance on television, TV had changed. Now there were several channels, one could use parental controls to prevent immoral channels from showing, and christian television was now a thing.

Man changed his views with the time. It is not an insult to say that about him. People change their views. He came to appreciate the usefulness of television, and how it was good for ministry purposes.

From yr write up, then and now, which is more corrupt, then that tv start at 4 pm, no phones only video which parents can actively control, children feard their parents,
Now phones even babies carrying phones with internet, which time bad pass now.

If Jesus was in the world today, will He not preach via TV , pastors should learn to let Holy Spirit change the individual nor be u go dey control person.... We not robots.... Back then many parents his their TV in their rooms make church member or neighbors nor see them dey watch TV na live be dat

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by SQLmastar(m): 10:21pm On Aug 31

alabo1:
The fact that people still listen to these pastoprenuers still baffle me. Even intelligent people. Truly Religion is the Opium of the masses. Most if the ultra wealthy don't even believe in God. I believe but in my own way. No so called man iof God can tell me how to serve God. I can't see God or do anything for him. I believe in morality and humanism by choice. Peace

You cannot serve God in your own way or however you please.
The bible is clear about how to serve/worship Him...in spirit and in truth.
Your own self-righteousness doesn't cut it.

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by BItt: 10:22pm On Aug 31

😂😂

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying! 😒😒

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:35pm On Aug 31

nairalanda1:
I think a lot of organisations, both secular and religious, harbored peods.

He is ashamed of his religion because all his fellow Muslims are here arguing against the Bible and Christian faith and they are somehow seeing something to say but against Jehovah's Witnesses Islam has nothing tangible to say so whenever he see a JW he brings up the false stories Western unbelievers are using against us.

Please if it's true how come such reports are not coming from any other place apart from Western nations?

Well the answer is simple because using a cane or rod to discipline your own child in Western nations is taken as child abuse!🙂

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by realsportclub7: 10:48pm On Aug 31

MaxInDHouse:
You guys just love deceiving yourselves!

Someone publicly declared he committed a blunder and you are here claiming comprehension.

For your information Kumuyi always read our AWAKE magazines back then and that year an issue was released that warned Jehovah's Witnesses globally to be careful of what we watch on television. Kumuyi dìd not filter the message he just gave his followers the message so that by time JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES start acting on that message it will be as if he is ahead in the spirit but we understood the message that it's not the TV that's evil rather it's some programs we need to avoid.

For instance you can't go out in a day without seeing indecent dressing does that mean you won't go out again?

NO!

Does that mean you must go blind so as not to see?

NO!

So Kumuyi goofed big time that is what he is now trying to correct today mind you he now welcome female preachers to mount his pulpit with earrings and makeup so open your eyes baba done dey confess!

You sound so funny and unbelievable. So you were there when he was reading awake.

You also committing an unforgivable blunder.

The video posted here can’t be older than 10 years. So is it the awake he read that made him make this video?

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Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by almarthins(m): 10:50pm On Aug 31

nairalanda1:
Deeper life was founded in NIgeria, not in America

Also Kumuyi discouraged watching of television back then.

It is not something that I hold against him, even though I disagree with his beliefs back then. Christians back then worldwide, some had a positive view of television, and even saw the ministry potential of television, others had a bad view of television back then

The problem was that in Kumuyi's younger days, television was a different 'beast' back then. All sorts of programmes, including programmes that were not edifying to christians were shown on the box...and there was nothing like christian channels, or christian tv or cable tv or the DSTV parental control button...plus there was a lot of influx of programmes that were from a nigerian set up immoral

BY the time Kumuyi changed his stance on television, TV had changed. Now there were several channels, one could use parental controls to prevent immoral channels from showing, and christian television was now a thing.

Man changed his views with the time. It is not an insult to say that about him. People change their views. He came to appreciate the usefulness of television, and how it was good for ministry purposes.

Honestly, I dont want to waste my time explaining to this people about what is or what is not. All they want to hear is that: that man is a bad man, he misled people, he should be hanged.

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by Demmtek(m): 10:56pm On Aug 31

I know people who took there TV and dump at the oworonshoki lagoon because they're deeper life member.

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:57pm On Aug 31

realsportclub7:
You sound so funny and unbelievable. So you were there when he was reading awake. You also committing an unforgivable blunder. The video posted here can’t be older than 10 years. So is it the awake he read that made him make this video?

Guy how old are you?

I'm talking about late 1970s/early 1980s when he newly started his church not when he has become an old man, that time Williams was a young vibrant man!

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by nairalanda1(m): 11:04pm On Aug 31

almarthins:
Honestly, I dont want to waste my time explaining to this people about what is or what is not. All they want to hear is that: that man is a bad man, he misled people, he should be hanged.

It's the Internet. Everyone on the Internet is convinced that they are right, convinced that they know it all and convinced that their opinions are right. Everyone, including me.

No one comes on the Internet to be convinced of their errors or to have their thinking changed. They come here to be praised by like minds. And if you do not praise them , you are a joker. And yes, that includes me.

Also no one comes here to be convinced of the truth. A lot of people here are set in their beliefs. Providing them with proof that they are wrong, even with receipts is going to elicit mockery and abuse.

The best thing you can. do is not follow what I do and try to engage them . You would soon see that the person who is already drowning in their lack of knowledge is proud of it. They are not going to change. They will.only make you look like a joker , and would only make you the butt of jokes. They will put words in your mouth , try to anger you and try to make you lose your cool. And you will fall for it every time because humans all got ego. Even me.

So don't let the arguments here bother you..By this time next year it would be forgotten, in ten years time, no one would even remember what the fuss was all about. Do you remember any arguments about anything that you had when you were four years old? See the issue.

There is nothing difficult than trying to cure someone of their lack of knowledge and their refusal to face the big picture . At some point you will learn that it is not your duty to fix them. Let them be.

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Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by ekitimanalways(m): 2:44am On Sep 01

LordIsaac:
A very sound doctrine this is, I must confess.

A very conservative and restrictive approach.

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by alabo1: 2:48am On Sep 01

Kobojunkie:
Unfortunately, your belief is no different from that of the religious folks out there.

Yeah but it's mine. Not subject to anyone's control.

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by alabo1: 2:52am On Sep 01

SQLmastar:
You cannot serve God in your own way or however you please.
The bible is clear about how to serve/worship Him...in spirit and in truth.
Your own self-righteousness doesn't cut it.

Have it your way. For me the Bible, Quoran, Baghadavitta etc are all works of fiction - however they contain some moral codes. I believe in a Supreme Consciousness because I have chosen to and since I do not believe in an afterlife my so called self righteousness is even more altruistic. Peace

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by princeliquidray: 3:07am On Sep 01

Why e dey pain you?

zenburster:
S.T.F.U

If the doctrine was from God, would it need to be changed?

Your pastor was a weirdo, sadist who called his own personality quirks and beliefs and made them religious doctrine.

Original deeper lifers didn't watch tv, didn't use perfume or rollon, didn't perm their hair, use jewelry, attend parties, listen to music, participate in sports.

If that isn't a cult then I don't know what it is

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by princeliquidray: 3:08am On Sep 01

And theirs is theirs. Live and let live. Even the Humanism you talk about is influenced by others.

alabo1:
Yeah but it's mine. Not subject to anyone's control.

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by princeliquidray: 3:10am On Sep 01

He didn't misleed people to commit crimes so you are the one who should be hanged for hate speech

almarthins:
Honestly, I dont want to waste my time explaining to this people about what is or what is not. All they want to hear is that: that man is a bad man, he misled people, he should be hanged.

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by xeju: 3:39am On Sep 01

They called it the devil's box. Deeper life members were seen as Christian extremists in those days. I had them as neighbors & friends, and they're quite unusual esp the parents but many of the children of Deeper life ran from the church as soon as they got to college or went of the authority of their parents.[quote author=EmmyMaestro post=140501647]"We discourage watching television" - Man drops old Pastor Kumuyi video after ₦1m challenge

A Nigerian man has released an old video of Pastor William Kumuyi after a ₦1 million challenge was issued to anyone who could prove that the Deeper Christian Life Ministry founder had discouraged his members from watching television.

The video was shared by an X user identified as @jayhemz following a challenge directed at @MathiasIgonor over Kumuyi’s alleged position on television.

The man who issued the challenge offered ₦1 million to anyone who could produce an audio or video recording showing Kumuyi telling members of Deeper Life not to watch television.

“I’ll give you or anyone ₦1m if you/they can provide a video clip or Audio clip where Pastor Kumuyi told his members not to watch TV,” he wrote.

He, however, stated that any video submitted would be subjected to verification.

“Video clip will be authenticated and checked for originality, Date of the Sermon (Preaching) will also be confirmed,” he added.

‘We Discouraged Watching Television’

In the video released by @jayhemz, Kumuyi recalled the position adopted by Deeper Life during the early years of the ministry.

The cleric said the church discouraged television viewing because of concerns over content he believed could negatively affect Christians.

“At the beginning of this ministry, many, many years ago, we emphasised, and we re-emphasised, and we preached it every time, and we made it everybody knew about it.

“We said, there are dirty things, there were dirty things on the television. And that those things pollute the heart. They make the heart impure.

“And because of that, we discouraged watching television. We wanted to prepare people for heaven,” Kumuyi said.

Pastor Kumuyi Explains Deeper Life’s Position

Kumuyi said the teaching was not based solely on the identity of Deeper Life as a church, claiming that other Christians also expressed concerns about the effect of television content at the time.

“We emphasised to the people, not just because it’s deeper life, every serious-minded believer at that time, from America to UK, even the whites, not members of deeper life, they knew that the pollutions on the television will pollute the minds of people, make them impure,” he said.

He went on to note that technology has evolved, making it possible for people to access a wider range of content through phones, tablets and other internet-enabled devices.

“But now, the age of television is almost year-rounding up. Because now, everything you can see on television, much, much more, you can see on television, you can have it on your handset, you can have it on your telephone, you can have it on your tablet, you can have it on your iPad,” he stated.

‘The Lord Keep Us Holy’

Kumuyi also warned about inappropriate content available online, particularly pornography and other material he said could affect a person’s thoughts and emotions.

“Once you are connected to the internet, and there are people, they may not be watching television, but they’re looking at pornographic pictures,” he said.

He urged Christians to guard their hearts against content that could lead to what he described as impure thoughts or actions.

“If you are having anything that secretly makes me impure, makes your thoughts impure, even can make your emotion, your feeling impure, and can make you to be committing immorality, even with images and pictures and whatever they call them, I don’t want to mention it in my message, whatever they call them, they are impure,” Kumuyi said.

“The Lord deliver us. The Lord keep us holy. The Lord keep us righteous,” he added.

The resurfaced video has since drawn attention online, particularly because Kumuyi is heard saying that Deeper Life “discouraged watching television” during the early years of the ministry.

See below

I'll do a giveaway of ₦500,000 from the money after payment is confirmed.

This is Pastor Kumuyi publicly admitting discouraging his members from watching TV. Direct from the horse's mouth

Tag him guys, let's share this money. https://t.co/mMbWMZlOVn pic.twitter.com/rv9etE3Pm2
— JM (@jayhemz) August 30, 2026

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Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by anonimi: 5:23am On Sep 01

LordIsaac:
A very sound doctrine this is, I must confess.

So, what made him change the sound doctrine when he is not a flip flopping politician like Tinubu who sold Buhari as APC messiah in 2015, four years after claiming that he was expired?

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by BluntCrazeMan: 6:12am On Sep 01

Kobojunkie:
I hope he gets his pay out. Everyone in Nigeria at that time knew that Deeper Lifers were people who also didn't watch TV. 🤣🤣🤣

The guy who made the challenge will come the APC way..

He will now say, I want a video from any of those OLDEN DAYS where he said "STOP WATCHING TELEVISION",, and not a current video where he was explaining that they stopped Deeper Life people from watching Television in the past.
He wants a video where Kumuyi gave the ORDER..

.

Okay naa.
Na Nigeria we dey

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by zenburster: 6:45am On Sep 01

anonimi:
So, what made him change the sound doctrine when he is not a flip flopping politician like Tinubu who sold Buhari as APC messiah in 2015, four years after claiming that he was expired?

This is because he is a pulpit brandit and religious scrammer who made up his own doctrine and claimed its from God.

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Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by Bluntemperor: 7:11am On Sep 01

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying! He did not foresee that the same box he called the devil's box would become the primary means of disseminating his very own words years later. 😒😒

Beautiful you,bro and Well Said👍👏.
-As at Today, Americans are making Efforts to type through your Body- System,as an innovations - possibly to replace the carrying of Phones phone 🤳 or tablets.
• Lesson: Never Say NEVER.
-For all this innovations Are -God Creations -through Knowledge and by experiencing,you know better.
•Kudos to Science 🔭 🧪 and technology.
If God did not Allow the Nurses, Pharmacies and Medical Doctors - to be,how do we apply Vaccines,etc ?
We must not be too sacrosanct that,
-We Only can make Heavens,
By Encouraging Others too - in The Knowledge Of Gospel Of Christ!.

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by MightySparrow: 8:15am On Sep 01

MaxInDHouse:
You guys just love deceiving yourselves!

Someone publicly declared he committed a blunder and you are here claiming comprehension.

For your information Kumuyi always read our AWAKE magazines back then and that year an issue was released that warned Jehovah's Witnesses globally to be careful of what we watch on television. Kumuyi dìd not filter the message he just gave his followers the message so that by time JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES start acting on that message it will be as if he is ahead in the spirit but we understood the message that it's not the TV that's evil rather it's some programs we need to avoid.

For instance you can't go out in a day without seeing indecent dressing does that mean you won't go out again?

NO!

Does that mean you must go blind so as not to see?

NO!

So Kumuyi goofed big time that is what he is now trying to correct today mind you he now welcome female preachers to mount his pulpit with earrings and makeup so open your eyes baba done dey confess!

This is what I have been calling Community Truth all these while. Almost every ministry has their own toys they play with. For JW. Org there are some. Wearing of beards is one made known.

You may think I go hard on jws. No. I go hard on extreme doctrines that do not make scriptural sense. I was in Deeper Life for few years as n undergraduate. I experienced the doctrine. It later did not make sense to me and some few others.

Why would Jesus credit some laws to Moses? Why would he go through a farm and his disciples took something from someone else's farm and eat. People didn't accuse Jesus for the grain the disciples ate but descrating the Sabbath?

The Commandments of God written on stone was in the chest. That of Moses was an addendum placed beside me chest.
Men of God in their zeal may try to help God. But, it doesn't work on the long run.

Your claim also that your organization is a special one is also untrue. Preach only the kingdom and let the King do the separation at the end of age His own way.

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Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by achorladey: 9:48am On Sep 01

We are the WE. This is my problem with religious leaders. Who are the we?

It is a way of shifting blame when what they proclaimed individually no longer holds.

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by Ubdavison: 9:49am On Sep 01

It's makes no sense to me
Because, it's all based on
Faulty foundation.

The so called God is man
Made. It's utter nonsense

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by achorladey: 9:52am On Sep 01

judewrites:
Holiness isn't mechanical 🤖, it's really not about watching tv or not....we can't force holiness because our bodies are inherently sinful.

Holiness comes naturally as we spend more time in God's presence.

For high control group holiness is mechanical

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by achorladey: 9:54am On Sep 01

PheelzAlmighty:
These guys are human too

Of course they are but they project themselves more than they are and that's why many begin to see them as GODS and have followers who see them as the mouthpiece of God.

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by achorladey: 9:57am On Sep 01

Arostar2023:
Even you too de make mouth? Jehovah witnesses that have done multiple dogmas review or summersaults over the years. Because of una teaching one of my uncle’s sold off some of my grandpa’s belongings…because you guys preached and taught that the world was coming to an end at one certain date.

That one al always looking for opportunity to market his religious organization and as well demarket it in one swoop.

He said Kumuyi used to make use of their publications while Jehovah’s witnesses archive many books and commentaries of those they call false Christians in their libraries used to dish out what they call spiritual food grin

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by achorladey: 9:59am On Sep 01

Arostar2023:
Stop deflecting my friend. Was there a time you guys taught and gave a certain date for the end of the world? Have guys made a u-turn on some of your teachings over the years? Yes or No? Make I give you some receipts. I am not defending the Deeper Life or anything close to that, I am pointing out your hypocrisy.

Na their way of operation, pointing fingers at others while hiding the very same thing they accuse others

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by achorladey: 10:01am On Sep 01

Arostar2023:
You are still deflecting and have refused to answer my question. Preaching about the end of the world and give a certain date for the end of the world are not the same thing. Have the JW made predictions that failed to come to pass in the past? Have JW changed some of their teachings over the years? Yes or No?

When caught up in their lies, he start looking for means to get out. Evidence full ground but he must use style cover am up

Re: Watching Of Television: Man Drops Pastor Kumuyi's Video After ₦1M Challenge by achorladey: 10:03am On Sep 01

DoWhatThouWilt:
How about pedophiles?

Why does your organization harbor them?

If e see evidence of their publications saying the end comes 1914 he will deflect into another thing 😂🤣😂

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