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Jumbojax:
You cannot get to heaven through the law, The law is to show you why you will be damned. Grace, the gospel, is your only way out.

Meanwhile, it is Law that damns, condemns and is sends people to prisons of fire.

So, you misunderstand what Paul meant when in fact Wisdom Said

Psalm 19
7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes

Proverbs 3:
"My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee."

Proverbs 6:23,:
"For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life."


So, you see, pastors have deceived people into misunderstanding and misinterpreting Paul's words to their peril. You can see God Said, The Law gives life.

Don moen song, is what makes me easily remember this

'My son give attention to my words (Oh yes)
Incline your ear to my sayings
Do not (Do not) let them depart from your eyes
Keep them in the midst of your heart (Heart)

For they are life to those who find them
And health to all their flesh
For they are life to those who find them
And health to all their flesh

Dtruthspeaker:
Meanwhile, it is Law that damns, condemns and is sends people to prisons of fire.

So, you misunderstand what Paul meant when in fact Wisdom Said

Psalm 19
7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes

Proverbs 3:
"My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee."

Proverbs 6:23,:
"For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life."


So, you see, pastors have deceived people into misunderstanding and misinterpreting Paul's words to their peril. You can see God Said, The Law gives life.

Don moen song, is what makes me easily remember this

'My son give attention to my words (Oh yes)
Incline your ear to my sayings
Do not (Do not) let them depart from your eyes
Keep them in the midst of your heart (Heart)

For they are life to those who find them
And health to all their flesh
For they are life to those who find them
And health to all their flesh

All those verses of the law are good and the law is good but none of them can be connected to the topic of going to heaven, and this is a thread about going to heaven, isn't it?

Jumbojax:
All those verses of the law are good and the law is good but none of them can be connected to the topic of going to heaven, and this is a thread about going to heaven, isn't it?

Keeping Judgement Day in view, If a person does not break any Law, is he liable to be arrested, and taken to court for trial and conviction and punishment?

Dtruthspeaker:
Keeping Judgement Day in view, If a person does not break any Law, is he liable to be arrested, and taken to court for trial and conviction and punishment?

The only person who has never and will never break any law is Jesus Christ. On judgement day, He is Judge, Jury and executioner. You don't believe me but you will see

Jumbojax:
The only person who has never and will never break any law is Jesus Christ. On judgement day, He is Judge, Jury and executioner. You don't believe me but you will see

Wrong!

Jesus wasn't the only one!
Enoch, Noah, Daniel, Job, Zachariah and his wife Elizabeth, the Disciples, Cornelius, Paul, the thief on the cross are all examples of humans who made it. So, If anyone is serious, they would make it.

So, there is no excuse.

Dtruthspeaker:
Wrong!

Jesus wasn't the only one!
Enoch, Noah, Daniel, Job, Zachariah and his wife Elizabeth, the Disciples, Cornelius, Paul, the thief on the cross are all examples of humans who made it. So, If anyone is serious, they would make it.

So, there is no excuse.

The disciples?? So Judas Iscariot "made it"? Paul didn't murder? For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Jumbojax:
Ananias and Sapphira had their flesh killed, it wasn't documented the destiny of their eternal souls

The one who believes in Jesus, though His flesh may die, His soul will live forever in Heaven regardless of their lifestyle

So Ananias and sapphire soul went to where?

Jumbojax:
Yes the judgement is after death, and is the final say. But God does not want His children to live in dread and fear, that's not the spirit he gives us. And there's a spiritual formula that resolves this reality. There are two types of death and two types of birth, the physical and spiritual death and birth. The formula is like this, you are born once, you will die twice, but if you are born twice, you will die only once. You must be born again.

Where does the dying twice take place?

Truthseeker10:
Where does the dying twice take place?

First the physical death, then the spiritual death.

Revelation 21:8 (KJV):
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Truthseeker10:
So Ananias and sapphire soul went to where?

Like I said it was not documented, Ananias and Sapphira lied against the holy spirit and were made examples for a purpose. But we all know believers can grieve the holy spirit, face physical consequences but still never lose the holy spirit.

Ephesians 4:30 (KJV):
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Jumbojax:
Like I said it was not documented, Ananias and Sapphira lied against the holy spirit and were made examples for a purpose. But we all know believers can grieve the holy spirit, face physical consequences but still never lose the holy spirit.

Ephesians 4:30 (KJV):
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

You claimed that it was only Ananias and Sapphira's flesh that were killed. Was that documented? If yes, were was it documented in the bible?

Jumbojax:
First the physical death, then the spiritual death.

Revelation 21:8 (KJV):
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

So what's the difference between the physical and spiritual death? Are you saying that the body is not involved in the spiritual or second death?

Truthseeker10:
So what's the difference between the physical and spiritual death? Are you saying that the body is not involved in the spiritual or second death?

is the body physical?

Truthseeker10:
You claimed that it was only Ananias and Sapphira's flesh that were killed. Was that documented? If yes, were was it documented in the bible?

Acts 5

Jumbojax:
The disciples?? So Judas Iscariot "made it"? Paul didn't murder? For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

No reasonable person calls judas Iscariot s disciple and everyone saw that after Paul repented he worked for God to death and that he even saw his own score that he had made it

"7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day:"

"Excuses are the tools with which persons with no purpose in view build for themselves great monuments of nothing." — Steven Grayhm

"You can make excuses or you can make progress. You cannot make both." — Unknown

Jumbojax:
Acts 5

What verse in Acts 5 says only their flesh was killed?

Jumbojax:
is the body physical?

is your body not physical?
Does the spiritual death involve the body, yes or no?

Truthseeker10:
What verse in Acts 5 says only their flesh was killed?

when anybody dies only the flesh is killed

Jumbojax:
when anybody dies only the flesh is killed

Where does the Bible teach that the soul survives the death of the body?

Truthseeker10:
Where does the Bible teach that the soul survives the death of the body?

Matthew 10:28 (KJV):
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Dtruthspeaker:
No reasonable person calls judas Iscariot s disciple and everyone saw that after Paul repented he worked for God to death and that he even saw his own score that he had made it

"7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:

8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day:"

"Excuses are the tools with which persons with no purpose in view build for themselves great monuments of nothing." — Steven Grayhm

"You can make excuses or you can make progress. You cannot make both." — Unknown

Mark 14:10 (KJV):
And Judas Iscariot, one of the twelve, went unto the chief priests, to betray him unto them.

The book is not unreasonable, Judas repented just like Paul, what he never did was believe, don't make that same mistake

Jumbojax:
Matthew 10:28 (KJV):
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

According to the bolded statement in the verse that you quoted above, what parts goes to hell after death?

Jumbojax:
Mark 14:10 (KJV):
And Judas Iscariot, one of the twelve, went unto the chief priests, to betray him unto them.

The book is not unreasonable, Judas repented just like Paul, what he never did was believe, don't make that same mistake

Betrayal nullifies relationship exactly how you do not call a girlfriend/wife, friend or dear student who betrays you, your girlfriend or wife, friend or student. And of course, everyone knows that in every relationship, there are forgivable offences and unforgivable ones that everyone already knows not to do. So, you have no excuse. Excuses did not save ananias and sapphira or sodom and gomo.

Once you are born again, you cannot miss heaven.

Romans 10:4 (KJV):
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Dtruthspeaker:
Betrayal nullifies relationship exactly how you do not call a girlfriend/wife, friend or dear student who betrays you, your girlfriend or wife, friend or student. And of course, everyone knows that in every relationship, there are forgivable offences and unforgivable ones that everyone already knows not to do. So, you have no excuse. Excuses did not save ananias and sapphira or sodom and gomo.

That's why relationship with God is not what gets you heaven, It's faith in God that gives heaven

Truthseeker10:
According to the bolded statement in the verse that you quoted above, what parts goes to hell after death?

what's your point

Jumbojax:
That's why relationship with God is not what gets you heaven, It's faith in God that gives heaven

And faith is built on air abi?

Dtruthspeaker:
And faith is built on air abi?

Faith cometh by hearing and hearing the word of God

Jumbojax:
Faith cometh by hearing and hearing the word of God

Same thing applies to juju too

Dtruthspeaker:
Same thing applies to juju too

There is no truth in you

Jumbojax:
There is no truth in you

Point out the lie if you are not the liar.

Obviously, you erroneously thought the power of faith and hearing only belongs to Christianity

Dtruthspeaker:
Point out the lie if you are not the liar.

Obviously, you erroneously thought the power of faith and hearing only belongs to Christianity

faith belongs to Christianity. Belief belongs to whatever you want to waste your mind on. Don't insult truth