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Here’s my reply: God created this world as a test. To choose who will make paradise or hell. And all sorts of things happens to someone who is being tested by God.

If you are intellectual and smart enough to question the almighty God then your question should be “Was i allowed to choose if i wanted to participate in any test or not”

tunnyl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZbYRXDY6d0&pp=ugUEEgJlbg%3D%3D&ra=m


Here’s my reply: God created this world as a test. To choose who will make paradise or hell. And all sorts of things happens to someone who is being tested by God.

If you are intellectual and smart enough to question the almighty God then your question should be “Was i allowed to choose if i wanted to participate in any test or not”

Where is the source of this information

Truthseeker10:
Where is the source of this information

Do you mean the video?. I have included the link in my post.

tunnyl:
Do you mean the video?. I have included the link in my post.

your response. Not the video

Truthseeker10:
your response. Not the video

Bro i literally typed: Here’s my reply”. However if what you are seeking is a scholarly source then heres what the Bible and Quran says:


BIBLE - 2 verses:

1. James 1:12
“Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him."

2. Deuteronomy 8:2
"And you shall remember the whole way that the Lord your God has led you these forty years in the wilderness, that he might humble you, testing you to know what was in your heart."

1 Peter 1:6-7 - that your faith is tested like gold in fire.

QUR'AN:

1. Surah Al-Mulk 67:2*
"Alladhi khalaqal mawta wal hayata liyabluwakum ayyukum ahsanu 'amala"

Meaning: "It is He who created death and life to test you as to which of you is best in deed."

2. Surah Al-Baqarah 2:155*

"Wa lanabluwannakum bi shai'in minal khawfi wal ju'i wa naqsin minal amwali wal anfusi wath-thamarat, wa bashshiris sabirin"

Meaning: "And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient."

Another very direct one is Surah Al-Kahf 18:7: "Indeed, We have made that which is on the earth adornment for it that We may test them as to which of them is best in deed."

tunnyl:
Bro i literally typed: Here’s my reply”. However if what you are seeking is a scholarly source then heres what the Bible and Quran says:


BIBLE - 2 verses:

1. James 1:12
“Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him."

2. Deuteronomy 8:2
"And you shall remember the whole way that the Lord your God has led you these forty years in the wilderness, that he might humble you, testing you to know what was in your heart."

1 Peter 1:6-7 - that your faith is tested like gold in fire.

QUR'AN:

1. Surah Al-Mulk 67:2*
"Alladhi khalaqal mawta wal hayata liyabluwakum ayyukum ahsanu 'amala"

Meaning: "It is He who created death and life to test you as to which of you is best in deed."

2. Surah Al-Baqarah 2:155*

"Wa lanabluwannakum bi shai'in minal khawfi wal ju'i wa naqsin minal amwali wal anfusi wath-thamarat, wa bashshiris sabirin"

Meaning: "And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient."

Another very direct one is Surah Al-Kahf 18:7: "Indeed, We have made that which is on the earth adornment for it that We may test them as to which of them is best in deed."

So you're saying that the bible teaches that God created Adam on earth to test him to either go to Paradise or Hell? If yes, where does the bible say that Adam went to when he died?

Truthseeker10:
So you're saying that the bible teaches that God created Adam on earth to test him to either go to Paradise or Hell? If yes, where does the bible say that Adam went to when he died?

Its not judgement day yet! Until then the dead and the living all reside her on earth!

tunnyl:
Its not judgement day yet! Until then the dead and the living all reside her on earth!

ok....did God ever tell Adam that he wanted him to go to Paradise or Hell?

tunnyl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZbYRXDY6d0&pp=ugUEEgJlbg%3D%3D&ra=m


Here’s my reply: God created this world as a test. To choose who will make paradise or hell. And all sorts of things happens to someone who is being tested by God.

If you are intellectual and smart enough to question the almighty God then your question should be “Was i allowed to choose if i wanted to participate in any test or not”

If the so called god knows everything why does he need tests

LordReed:
If the so called god knows everything why does he need tests

Do professors, parents, teachers not know everything yet, they give exams?

StillDtruth:
Do professors, parents, teachers not know everything yet, they give exams?

Gbam‼️‼️

StillDtruth:
Do professors, parents, teachers not know everything yet, they give exams?

So what is the point of the exam if it will not change the outcome that has been predestined to occur?

Truthseeker10:
So what is the point of the exam if it will not change the outcome that has been predestined to occur?

Is an exam designed for the teacher or parents?
No!

Is outcome of an exam changed because the teacher or parent knows it?
No!

Predestiny does not mean only one outcome as all these destiny/predestiny things only have to do with arrival. It does not make nor guarantee arrrival

A person flying to abuja has 2 or 3 outcomes.

1) If he does not buy a ticket, he can't fly to Abuja unless someone buys a ticket for him.

2) if he buys a ticket but does not go to the airport, no abuja for him

3) if he buys a ticket and goes to the airport and the airline cancels his flight and he cannot buy another ticket because he has no money, no Abuja.

All these things are predetermined outcomes already

StillDtruth:
Is an exam designed for the teacher or parents?
No!

Is outcome of an exam changed because the teacher or parent knows it?
No!

Predestiny does not mean only one outcome as all these destiny/predestiny things only have to do with arrival. It does not make nor guarantee arrrival

A person flying to abuja has 2 or 3 outcomes.

1) If he does not buy a ticket, he can't fly to Abuja unless someone buys a ticket for him.

2) if he buys a ticket but does not go to the airport, no abuja for him

3) if he buys a ticket and goes to the airport and the airline cancels his flight and he cannot buy another ticket because he has no money, no Abuja.

All these things are predetermined outcomes already

So are you saying that God is unsure of the exact outcome of the person flying to Abuja even before the person was born?

Truthseeker10:
So are you saying that God is unsure of the exact outcome of the person flying to Abuja even before the person was born?

Is it God Who is complaining about predestination?

Dtruthspeaker:
Is it God Who is complaining about predestination?

What kind of question is this?

Truthseeker10:
What kind of question is this?

The kind that corrects bad thinkings after all you dared to ask if "God was unsure".

Dtruthspeaker:
The kind that corrects bad thinkings after you asked if "God was unsure".

You seem to need sleep

Truthseeker10:
You seem to need sleep

You need to reason well.

"One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument. They can vent their emotions, question other people's motives, make bold assertions, repeat slogans—anything except reason." – Thomas Sowell

Dtruthspeaker:
You need to reason well.

"One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument. They can vent their emotions, question other people's motives, make bold assertions, repeat slogans—anything except reason." – Thomas Sowell

You still have made no point....what exactly is your point. If you were actually well rested, you would have seen that you actually replied to a question.

Truthseeker10:
You still have made no point....what exactly is your point. If you were actually well rested, you would have seen that you actually replied to a question.

The fact that you are complaining about my response and your inability to proceed with your illogical line of reasoning, proves it already. If you can't get it then go back to when I corrected your reasoning and proceed logically if you can

Dtruthspeaker:
The fact that you are complaining my response and your inability to proceed with your illogical line of reasoning, proves it already. If you can't get it then go back to when I corrected your reasoning and proceed logically if you can

Can you point out the statement of my illogical line of reasoning? Kindly bring the evidence here. If you don't bring it in your next response, I would BLOCK YOU.

Truthseeker10:
Can you point out the statement of my illogical line of reasoning? Kindly bring the evidence here. If you don't bring it in your next response, I would BLOCK YOU.

Oh i see now what is the problem. My objection is way back when you asked "So what is the point of the exam if it will not change the outcome that has been predestined to occur?"

What you do not get is that I have told you before, is that all these destiny and predestination is all about destination and arrival at a destination.

They do not control and determine that the person must arrive there hence my "A person flying to abuja has 2 or 3 outcomes" example.

And because of your wrong understanding you responded "So are you saying that God is unsure of the exact outcome of the person flying to Abuja even before the person was born?"

And I responded "Is it God Who is complaining about predestination?"

I wonder if you would have been this confused if I had directly said "is God Who cares about predestination or you humans?

Dtruthspeaker:
Oh i see now what is the problem. My objection is way back when you asked "So what is the point of the exam if it will not change the outcome that has been predestined to occur?"

What you do not get is that I have told you before, is that all these destiny and predestination is all about destination and arrival at a destination.

They do not control and determine that the person must arrive there hence my "A person flying to abuja has 2 or 3 outcomes" example.

And because of your wrong understanding you responded "So are you saying that God is unsure of the exact outcome of the person flying to Abuja even before the person was born?"

And I responded "Is it God Who is complaining about predestination?"

I wonder if you would have been this confused if I had directly said "is God Who cares about predestination or you humans?

So if God is not complaining about predestination, how does that negate the fact that God already knows the outcome even before the person was born and that it would be pointless for that same God to set an exam?

Truthseeker10:
So if God is not complaining about predestination, how does that negate the fact that God already knows the outcome even before the person was born and that it would be pointless for that same God to set an exam?

See why your illogical reasoning hung you back there?

Is it God that is writing the exam He set?

Since God already knows the outcome, then does He care about the outcome?

No!

So if God is not complaining about predestination nor cares about the outcome since He already knows the outcome, so who is making noise about predestination and cares about the outcome?

StillDtruth:
See why your illogical the reasoning hung you back there?

Is it God that is writing the exam He set?

Since God already knows the outcome, then does He care about the outcome?

No!

So if God is not complaining about predestination nor cares about the outcome since He already knows the outcome, so who is making noise about predestination and cares about the outcome?

lol.....So God does not care about the the same outcome that he has seen and that is sure to happen before creating a person even if the outcome is bad?

Truthseeker10:
lol.....So God does not care about the the same outcome that he has seen and that is sure to happen before creating a person even if the outcome is bad?

Does He not also see that the outcome could be good? Or seeing good outcomes too is not part of outcome abi?

StillDtruth:
Does He not also see that the outcome could be good? Or seeing good outcomes too is not part of outcome abi?

ok.....so you are saying that your God sees both good and bad outcomes before creating people and decides to create them to do good and to do bad?

Truthseeker10:
ok.....so you are saying that your God sees both good and bad outcomes before creating people and decides to create them to do good and to do bad?

When you created the car did you not know that it could be used to crush people?
Yes.

Did that stop you from creating it since you also know that it could also be used to happily carry billions of people to very far places with those people saying thank you for creating the car?
No.

So, it does not matter what God knows. What matters is that you have a choice to either do the good or do the evl for which you would be held accountable for

Dtruthspeaker:
When you created the car did you not know that it could be used to crush people?
Yes.

Did that stop you from creating it since you also know that it could also be used to happily carry billions of people to very far places with those people saying thank you for creating the car?
No.

So, it does not matter what God knows. What matters is that you have a choice to either do the good or do the evl for which you would be held accountable for

Where is the choice if God already knows that an individual will kill people before even before creating the individual? Are you saying that an individual can change what God already saw that he would do before he was created?

Truthseeker10:
Where is the choice if God already knows that an individual will kill people before even before creating the individual? Are you saying that an individual can change what God already saw that he would do before he was created?

Circular argument has started .
I just corrected you back that God also sees that the person will not kill.

So, as i just said it is your choice or the person's choice to keeel or not to kill and whatever decision is on you. Finnito

Dtruthspeaker:
Circular argument has started .
I just corrected you back that God also sees that the person will not kill.

So, as i just said it is your choice or the person's choice to keeel or not to kill and whatever decision is on you. Finnito

Lol you are funny. So God is seeing that the person will kill and he is simultaneously seeing that the person will not kill before the person is created? Is that not a contradiction?