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U09ce:
➜If the bible doesn't say people should expose their body, that means its not right to dress indecently. So how come nowadays churches allow indecently dressed ladies into into its chambers?

expert234:
Show me historical evidence to back this up.

Don't run away. Show me historically provable evidence.

If you can't, then Islam is a totally faikke religion

mrkia:
You don't need to abuse my religion

expert234:
Oga, show me evidence to prove that it was not Jesus that was crucified.

Don't ignore the challenge and only focus on irrelevants.

Calling Islam a fiakke religion is not an abuse. It is a statement of fact. For instance ask yourself why your alllla called Zachariah his servant when Zachariah was sent by YHWH and YHWH is different from allllla!

Islam is 100% fake!

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It's like you really need to be thought a lesson

Gnostic texts from the Nag Hammadi library, like the _Second Treatise of the Great Seth_ and _Apocalypse of Peter_, have a similar idea with that of Quran 4:157 which propagated - Jesus was not crucified, only an illusion or substitute was.

The mainstream and early Christians rejected the establishment because of these two reasons:

- It contradicted the eyewitness accounts of the apostles that they preached and were martyred for.

- It made the cross meaningless - if Jesus did not really suffer and die, there is no atonement.

My bros, My knowledge of Bible cut across all the edited versions. I researched into both religions and I can but chose Islam because it's the only religion that all the Prophets/ Messages (including Eesa, May God be pleased with him) of God practised

I read Quran and the correct Bible always. You should also do the same and find the truth by yourself
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TenQ:
God can be called by TITLE and God can be called by NAME.

So, did Jesus called God by NAME or by TITLE on the cross?

Secondly, Isn't it true that according to Islam someone else must have spoken those words rather than Jesus?

Let's start from here!

expert234:
Oga, show me evidence to prove that it was not Jesus that was crucified.

Don't ignore the challenge and only focus on irrelevants.

Calling Islam a fiakke religion is not an abuse. It is a statement of fact. For instance ask yourself why your alllla called Zachariah his servant when Zachariah was sent by YHWH and YHWH is different from allllla!

Islam is 100% fake!

NOETHNICITY:
I asked you a specific question, you can either say I don’t know or you go ahead and answer, instead throwing the question back to me.

Regarding your question about Jesus being on the cross, my question to you is simply an internal critique, it’s not like I believe in what the Bible says.
Going back to my question, what did Jesus specifically call God when he was on the cross according to your Bible.

CrownedPhoenix:
If islam was before Christianity then they can argue they saw him as a prophet.

Islam only started in the 7th century AD, y[b]ou cannot know about what happened before [/b]you.

NOETHNICITY:
I asked you a specific question, you can either say I don’t know or you go ahead and answer, instead throwing the question back to me.

Regarding your question about Jesus being on the cross, my question to you is simply an internal critique, it’s not like I believe in what the Bible says.
Going back to my question, what did Jesus specifically call God when he was on the cross according to your Bible.

Kobojunkie:
Nonsense! The YHWH of the Israelites is written to have claimed only the children of Israel as His own. There are thousands of other gods/deities/creators out there for people of other descents and bloodlines, including the Yorubas, the Egbiras, Igbos, Zulus, etc. So, if the mention of the Father of the Israelites troubles you, then that is clearly a you problem. 😒😒

femi4:
Where did I say that

Harnny:
Your position is that no other beign was given such authority and yet, Jesus came from the middle east. That means no other people in the history of the world was sent someone who was given any authority to save humans, Not the America, Far east, Africa, Australia. It has to be the middle east.

compton11:
Hihow come Moses knew about Noah?

mrkia:
First, I advise you to drop your hatred for Islam because that will assist you all the way to research into the truth. Thanks

You are chatting with a learned persion

mrkia:
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It's like you really need to be thought a lesson

Gnostic texts from the Nag Hammadi library, like the _Second Treatise of the Great Seth_ and _Apocalypse of Peter_, have a similar idea with that of Quran 4:157 which propagated - Jesus was not crucified, only an illusion or substitute was.

The mainstream and early Christians rejected the establishment because of these two reasons:

- It contradicted the eyewitness accounts of the apostles that they preached and were martyred for.

- It made the cross meaningless - if Jesus did not really suffer and die, there is no atonement.

You just use your own hand to type why the contents of the Second Treatise of the Great Seth can't be true!

Second Treatise of the Great Seth says:

"They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder.”

This doesnt mean Jesus wasn't crucified. It means Simon helped him to carry his cross. This same statement was recorded in the Bible. Read Luke 23:26. You'll see similarity between this verse and what the Second Treatise if the Great Seth said.


The Apocalypse of Peter says "But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame.”

Do you know the meaning? It means Jesus is a Spirit living in the flesh. After he was hung and died on the cross, The Spirit of God that inhabits the flesh we know as Jesus left that body. the same way your spirit leaves your body after you die!

The physical Jesus that went about preaching and healing the sick was crucified and died, but the Spirit of God that inhabits that physical body left the body after he died (though the Spirit reentered the body after 3 days and caused it to resurrect as recorded in the Bible!). That's what The Apocalypse of Peter was trying to describe!

You just quoted those sources with zero understanding of what they mean.

My bros, My knowledge of Bible cut across all the edited versions. I researched into both religions and I can but chose Islam because it's the only religion that all the Prophets/ Messages (including Eesa, May God be pleased with him) of God practised

I read Quran and the correct Bible always. You should also do the same and find the truth by yourself
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TenQ:
It wasn't a lost knowledge, Moses was only commissioned to write it.

expert234:
Oga, answer the questions I asked if you are as learned as you claim

When anybody says the Truth about Islam, you call it hatred. In Islam, another name for Truth is Hatred

1. If you research the truth, you'll discover that your founder is fiakke and that Islam is fiake.

If you research the truth, you'll ask yourself why all the so-called prophets in the Quran we're all copied from the bible.

If you research the truth, you'll discover that Abraham didn't build Kaaba and that Quran lied

If you research the truth, you'll ask yourself why your alllla claimed that Zachariah and Elijah are his prophets when Zachariah bears the name of YHWH and YHWH is totally different from allllla.

[b]If you truly care for the truth, you stop the name calling. I don't know how you re still reason like this in the 21st century. You still think somebody founded Islam

You talked as if Injeel (Bible) is the 1st Scripture revealed by God. What of the Suhuf (Scroll of Abraham ) Of course it is a sure bet that you wouldn't have that knowledge because its only recognized by the Latter day saints. Go check it out if you really care for the truth

The fact that your scripture stops with Ibraheem in Hebron doesn't mean no other narrative. It's you that need to open your mind to the truth. Am ready to take you through many things that is if you can tame your pen from name calling.

Islam is a religion of God. A religion been practised by all the Prophets including Eesa (A.s) It's being mentioned in the glorious Quran while the same couldn't be said of the Christianity

Also, try to open your mind to the correct interpretation of Deuteronomy 18 vs 18 you shall understand the real deal



















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compton11:
But muhammed wasn't commissioned to write about what's past him?

expert234:
You just use your own hand to type why the contents of the Second Treatise of the Great Seth can't be true!

Second Treatise of the Great Seth says:

"They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder.”

This doesnt mean Jesus wasn't crucified. It means Simon helped him to carry his cross. This same statement was recorded in the Bible. Read Luke 23:26. You'll see similarity between this verse and what the Second Treatise if the Great Seth said.


The Apocalypse of Peter says "But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame.”

Do you know the meaning? It means Jesus is a Spirit living in the flesh. After he was hung and died on the cross, The Spirit of God that inhabits the flesh we know as Jesus left that body. the same way your spirit leaves your body after you die!

The physical Jesus that went about preaching and healing the sick was crucified and died, but the Spirit of God that inhabits that physical body left the body after he died (though the Spirit reentered the body after 3 days and caused it to resurrect as recorded in the Bible!). That's what The Apocalypse of Peter was trying to describe!

You just quoted those sources with zero understanding of what they mean.



You don't read nothing. If you read both bible and Quran as deeply as you claimed, you would have asked yourself why allllla is claiming that people of YHWH are his people. You would have also seen clearly that alllla and YHWH are two different entities. You would have known that Zachariah or Zekharyah means "Yahweh has remembered". How come alllla is claiming that he is the one that sent zechariah when Zechariah's name shows that it was YHWH that sent him and YHWH is totally different than alllla?!

You are just claiming to know. You know nothing!

If you truly research and know, you would have left Islam!

femi4:
John 3:16 disagrees with you

TenQ:
According to Muslims , Allah told Jibril to dictate the eternal Qur'an from the mother of the Book to Mohammed.

Dont forget that no one could write an Ayah of the Qur'an like the Qur'an of Allah!

So. the Quran is the explicit words of Allah! Do you disagree with these?

compton11:
how that related to what I asked?


If Muhammad can't know what has past him how come Moses knew?

TenQ:
Your question is vague EXCEPT if you can clarify if you are aware of and understand the fact that

1. God can be called by TITLE and God can be called by NAME.

2. So, the question is, did Jesus called God by NAME or by TITLE on the cross?

3. Thirdly, Isn't it true that according to Islam someone else must have spoken those words rather than Jesus?






To expose your Deceit, can you answer this elementary question:
4. Is the NAME of your GOD the same as Theos or Ol'orun or Alaha, Dieu, Gott, kamisama or Allah or Shàngdì?




Why do you want to hide under deliberate Falsehood and Deceit to ask vague fraudulent questions?

Harnny:
➜Only the children of Israelites, then He is also Jesus sent to the whole world... Okay

BlackViper:
Jesus called God His Father. Where in the koran is allah ever referred to as a father?

mrkia:
➜Why would some1 with an intelect to research leave Islam?
Islam explicitly sees itself as restoring the religion of Abraham - _millat Ibrahim_ - (Whom you fondly called Father of Faith) Go through the following and see for yourself why Islam is the true religion with Allah, the God of Abraham:
➜ Worship posture:* Prostration with face to the ground. You see it in Genesis 17:3 (Abraham fell on his face), Numbers 20:6 (Moses and Aaron), Joshua 5:14, and Jesus in Matthew 26:39. It's the standard position of _sujud_ in Islam.
➜. Purification before prayer:*
Washing hands and feet before approaching God - Exodus 30:17-21, where priests must wash before entering the Tabernacle. Similar to _wudu_.
➜ Fasting, prayer times, and almsgiving:* Daniel prayed three times a day facing Jerusalem (Daniel 6:10), similar pattern to regular daily prayers. Fasting as self-denial is all through Leviticus and Joel. And zakat/alms is very close to the Old Testament tithes and laws about leaving gleanings for the poor.
➜ Dress and modesty:* Head covering for women (Genesis 24:65), beard for men (Leviticus 19:27), modest dress.
➜ Food and circumcision:* Not eating pork (Leviticus 11:7-8, Deuteronomy 14:8), not eating blood, circumcision on the 8th day (Genesis 17:12) which Islam also practices.
➜ Then , open your mind to the correct understanding of Deuteronomy 18 verse 18

6 Then Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly to the entrance of the tent of meeting and fell on their faces. And the glory of the Lord appeared to them, - Numbers 30 vs 6

17 The Lord said to Moses,
18 “You shall also make a basin of bronze, with its stand of bronze, for washing. You shall put it between the tent of meeting and the altar, and you shall put water in it,
19 with which Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet.
20 When they(Aaron and his sons) go into the tent of meeting, or when they(Aaron and his sons) come near the altar to minister, to burn a food offering[d] to the Lord, they(Aaron and his sons) shall wash with water, so that they may not die.
21 They shall wash their hands and their feet, so that they may not die. It shall be a statute forever to them, even to him and to his offspring throughout their generations.” - Exodus 30 vs 17 - 21

26 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,
27 “Now on the tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. It shall be for you a time of holy convocation, and you shall afflict yourselves and present a food offering to the Lord.
28 And you shall not do any work on that very day, for it is a Day of Atonement, to make atonement for you before the Lord your God.
29 For whoever is not afflicted[e] on that very day shall be cut off from his people.
30 And whoever does any work on that very day, that person I will destroy from among his people.
31 You shall not do any work. It is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwelling places.
32 It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict yourselves. On the ninth day of the month beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath.” - Leviticus 23 vs 26 - 32

26 “You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not interpret omens or tell fortunes.
27 You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.
28 You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the Lord. - Leviticus 19 vs 26 - 28

63 And Isaac went out to meditate in the field toward evening. And he lifted up his eyes and saw, and behold, there were camels coming.
64 And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she dismounted from the camel
65 and said to the servant, “Who is that man, walking in the field to meet us?” The servant said, “It is my master.” So she took her veil and covered herself.
66 And the servant told Isaac all the things that he had done.
67 Then Isaac brought her into the tent of Sarah his mother and took Rebekah, and she became his wife, and he loved her. So Isaac was comforted after his mother's death. - Genesis 24 vs 63 - 67

1 And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them,
2 “Speak to the people of Israel, saying, These are the living things that you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth.
3 Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat.
4 Nevertheless, among those that chew the cud or part the hoof, you shall not eat these: The camel, because it chews the cud but does not part the hoof, is unclean to you.
5 And the rock badger, because it chews the cud but does not part the hoof, is unclean to you.
6 And the hare, because it chews the cud but does not part the hoof, is unclean to you.
7 And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.
8 You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. - Leviticus 11 vs 1 - 8

3 “You shall not eat any abomination.
4 These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat,
5 the deer, the gazelle, the roebuck, the wild goat, the ibex,[a] the antelope, and the mountain sheep.
6 Every animal that parts the hoof and has the hoof cloven in two and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat.
7 Yet of those that chew the cud or have the hoof cloven you shall not eat these: the camel, the hare, and the rock badger, because they chew the cud but do not part the hoof, are unclean for you.
8 And the pig, because it parts the hoof but does not chew the cud, is unclean for you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. - Deuteronomy 14 vs 3 - 8

9 And God said to Abraham, “As for you, you shall keep my covenant, you and your offspring after you throughout their generations.
10 This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised.
11 You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you.
12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised. Every male throughout your generations, whether born in your house or bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring,
13 both he who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money, shall surely be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant.
14 Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” - Genesis 17 vs 9 - 14

14 “You will force the other nations out of your land. They listen to people who use magic and try to tell the future. But the Lord your God will not let you do these things.
15 The Lord your God will send to you a prophet. This prophet will come from among your own people, and he will be like me. You must listen to him.
16 God will send you(the Israelites) this prophet because that is what you(the Israelites) asked him to do. When you(the Israelites) were gathered together at Mount Horeb, you(the Israelites) became frightened and said, ‘Don’t let us hear the voice of the Lord our God again! Don’t let us see that great fire or we will die!’
17 “The Lord said to me(Moses), ‘What they(the Israelites) ask for is good.
18 I will send them(the Israelites) a prophet like you(Moses). This prophet will be one of their(the Israelites) own people. I will tell him what he must say, and he will tell the people(the Israelites) everything I command.
19 This prophet will speak for me, and I will punish anyone(the Israelites) who refuses to listen to my commands.’ - Deuteronomy 18 vs 14 - 19

NOETHNICITY:
Ohhhh my God. So evasive.

1. Didn’t ask you anything about title or whatever. I simply ask you to tell what name specifically did Jesus use to refer to God when he was on the cross.
Simple. What were the words that came out from Jesus mouth in reference to God.
2, Regarding your second question, I’m surprised that you are asking me this question. Well your answer is above in No.1 above.

NOETHNICITY:
Ohhhh my God. So evasive.

1. Didn’t ask you anything about title or whatever. I simply ask you to tell what name specifically did Jesus use to refer to God when he was on the cross.
Simple. What were the words that came out from Jesus mouth in reference to God.

NOETHNICITY:
3, Then regarding your 3rd question, I simply told you that I am doing an internal critique which allows me to reference your scripture while addressing your points. For example, you as a Christian don’t believe in the Quran, but if I tell you that Islam says that God is 2, you as Christian can quote Quran 112 to argue against my position even if you don’t believe in the Quran. That’s what internal criticism is.

NOETHNICITY:
➜And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”
— Matthew 27:46 (KJV)
The above is how I know that Jesus referred to God. Eli, or Alaha, above is similar to how Muslims and arab Christians refer to God

1 “Give ear, O heavens, and I will speak, and let the earth hear the words of my mouth.
2 May my teaching drop as the rain, my speech distill as the dew, like gentle rain upon the tender grass, and like showers upon the herb.
3 For I will proclaim the name of the Lord; ascribe greatness to our God!
4 “The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he.
5 They have dealt corruptly with him; they are no longer his children because they are blemished; they are a crooked and twisted generation.
6 Do you thus repay the Lord, you foolish and senseless people? Is not he your father, who created you, who made you and established you? - Deuteronomy 32 vs 1 - 6

15. Look down from heaven and see, from your holy and beautiful[e] habitation. Where are your zeal and your might? The stirring of your inner parts and your compassion are held back from me.
16 For you are our Father, though Abraham does not know us, and Israel does not acknowledge us; you, O Lord, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is your name.
17 O Lord, why do you make us wander from your ways and harden our heart, so that we fear you not? Return for the sake of your servants, the tribes of your heritage.
18 Your holy people held possession for a little while;[f] our adversaries have trampled down your sanctuary.
19 We have become like those over whom you have never ruled, like those who are not called by your name. - Isaiah 63 vs 15 - 19

mrkia:
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It's like you really need to be thought a lesson

Gnostic texts from the Nag Hammadi library, like the _Second Treatise of the Great Seth_ and _Apocalypse of Peter_, have a similar idea with that of Quran 4:157 which propagated - Jesus was not crucified, only an illusion or substitute was.

The mainstream and early Christians rejected the establishment because of these two reasons:

- It contradicted the eyewitness accounts of the apostles that they preached and were martyred for.

- It made the cross meaningless - if Jesus did not really suffer and die, there is no atonement.

My bros, My knowledge of Bible cut across all the edited versions. I researched into both religions and I can but chose Islam because it's the only religion that all the Prophets/ Messages (including Eesa, May God be pleased with him) of God practised

I read Quran and the correct Bible always. You should also do the same and find the truth by yourself
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