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| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by IkePeters(m): 6:03pm On Oct 12 |
Welcome onboard. To a place of truth and liberation. The heavens rejoice over you. BlackViper: |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by NOETHNICITY(m): 8:15pm On Oct 12 |
Kobojunkie:Funny how a Christian who worships a man as god is talking about who the God of Isreal is. Brother Jews accept that Muslims worship same one God as them. But they say it categorically that you Christians are polytheists. Jews admit that they can’t even worship in a church, but they all admit that they can worship in a mosque. Hear directly from them https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSbKMH2hx/ |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by compton11(m): 8:40pm On Oct 12*. Modified: 9:04pm On Oct 12 |
TenQ:story of Noah that was 1000 years ago,ok? Not diluted,still 100% fact? The private chats between God and Noah recorded in bible was Also common knowledge by Israelites? Ok na |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by expert234: 8:43pm On Oct 12 |
mrkia:You guys are just decceeiiving yourselves. Show me where YHWH said he wants the religion of Abraham to be established. Show me evidence that Abraham even had a religion! ![]() You Muslims will just talk nornnsiennse and rubisshh with confidence! ![]() If prostration means Muslims are doing the right thing, then idol worshipers that prostrate are also doing the right thing. Since those practicing Buddhism,shikism, Hinduism, etc also prostrate when praying to their idols, we can therefore, say they are doing the right thing! ![]() *2. Purification before prayer:*If purification before prayer makes Islam a reliigion of Abraham, then those practicing Buddhism, shikism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, etc are also practicing religion of Abraham since they also purify themselves before prayers! Why are you so mentally shallow?! ![]() *3. Fasting, prayer times, and almsgiving:*If fasting and giving alms mean Islam is in line with Abraham, then those practicing Buddhism, janism, Hinduism, taoism, etc are also in line with Abraham since they also fast and give alms. ![]() *4. Dress and modesty:*If modest dressing makes Islam the right thing, then those practicing sickism are also doing the right thing and are following Abraham since their religion also emphasize modest dressing! *5. Food and circumcision:*Since circumcision makes Islam true, then Jehovah witnesses and seventh day Adventists are also true and following Abraham. Then , open your mind to the correct understanding of Deuteronomy 18 verse 18If you open your mind at all, you'll realize that all the claims you made above are complete rubiisshh. Rubissh and garbage presented with confidence ![]() Islam has nothing to do with Abraham. You guys are just intentionally decceeivving yourselves! |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by TenQ: 8:44pm On Oct 12 |
mrkia:I don't understand how you don't see that this is a terrible and extremely FEEBLE argument. But not withstanding Using your standard here, why do Muslims hate the Jews so much because everything you stated here as per how to do religion is perfectly done by them. Except IF Islam is an imposture that seeks to replace the legitimate religion of the Jews! |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by TenQ: 9:21pm On Oct 12 |
compton11:Your iggnnorrancccevis exceeded only by your iggnnorrancccevis. I said 1. Moses knowledge wasn't dictated by YHWH. It was a common knowledge to the Jews. Moses was commissioned to ACCURATELY chronicle it.I hereby show you ancient nations with corrupted versions of these ancient stories You think it was only Moses that knew the story of the Flood!? The Sumerians recorded their version of the Noahs flood in Ziusudra in the Eridu Genesis The Akkadian/Babylonian recorded their version of the Noahs flood with Atraḫasis as their Noah The Greek recorded their version of the Noahs flood with Deucalion and Pyrrha as their Noah With respect to the creation story and Adam and Eve, several cultures have their own versions The Sumerians had a story of Enki and Ninhursag / Dilmun who ate of a plant that brought curse on the earth The Akkadian had a story with Adapa the first human who was offered food and drink of life; advice leads him to refuse them, and immortality is lost. The Greek instead of the Garden of Eden had the Garden of the Hesperides : A divine garden, with a special fruit, and a serpent/dragon guardian. Or the Tower of Babel where languages were split and multiplied amongst humans The Sumerians and the Mesopotamians had a story where Enki causes the once-unified speech of peoples to become many; the story also involves temple-building instead of the tower of Babel Every Ancient culture had their versions of these stories. Like I said: Moses was commissioned by God to chronicle the accurate history while concentrating of Abraham, God's promise to him and Israel with God's covenant with them. Abraham was the descendants of Shem one of Noahs three sons. Apologise for wasting my time educating your royal iggnnorrancccevis! |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by expert234: 10:58pm On Oct 12 |
mrkia:Islam says anyone who leaves the religion should be keeled Does that sound like the right thought for the 21st century?! ![]() Yes, somebody founded lslam. ![]() You talked as if Injeel (Bible) is the 1st Scripture revealed by God. What of the Suhuf (Scroll of Abraham ) Of course it is a sure bet that you wouldn't have that knowledge because its only recognized by the Latter day saints. Go check it out if you really care for the truth1. Injeel wasn't revealed. It was historical writings about the life, ministry, death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ. 2. Your claims about Scroll of Abraham is totally farlsse. The book recognized by Latter Day Saints was written in 1842 by Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith claimed that he got his source from Egyptian papyrus but there is no evidence that the Egyptian papyrus relate to the Scroll of Abraham. Your so-called research is waacck[/quote] The fact that your scripture stops with Ibraheem in Hebron doesn't mean no other narrative. It's you that need to open your mind to the truth. Am ready to take you through many things that is if you can tame your pen from name calling.Everything you claim to know have been proved to be farllsse since we started this discussion. You liieed about Second Treatise of the Great Seth and Apocalypse of Peter. I exposed your lies. You just finish lyyiing about Scroll of Abraham. . Islam can only be promoted through laies!Islam is a religion of God.Which god? Because an entity is called God doesn't mean it is the True God. Different tribes have different opinions and ideas about their own gods, just like the Arabs. Islam was formed by your founder. How are you sure he didn't liiee to you about being a prophet?! A religion been practised by all the Prophets including Eesa (A.s) It's being mentioned in the glorious Quran while the same couldn't be said of the ChristianityYou are decceeivving yourself. What's your evidence that all prophets practiced Islam?! . In Islam, you comiiit shirk if you call God your father. All the people of YHWH that your alllla claimed to be his prophets called God their father. So, how can they be Muslims?! If all "prophets" practiced Islam, why is it that there was no mosque until your founder came?! ![]() Also, try to open your mind to the correct interpretation of Deuteronomy 18 vs 18 you shall understand the realYou are just decceeiiving yourself. Many other "prophets" came after Moses. Show me evidence that it was your founndder they were referring to in Deuteronomy 18:18. ![]() You keep on talking about "opening your mind", whereas you comment as if your own miinnd is not open! ![]() |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by omojeesu(m): 5:30am On Oct 13 |
Justdare:A lie actually! Your religion allows you to lie (taqqiya) so I understand where you're coming from... The Majority doesn't follow Jesus. Few do! The Parable of the Narrow and Wide Gates Matthew 7:13-14 13 “ENTER THROUGH THE NARROW GATE. For WIDE is the gate and BROAD is the ROAD that LEADS TO DESTRUCTION, and MANY ENTER THROUGH IT. 14 But SMALL is the gate and NARROW the road that LEADS TO LIFE, and ONLY a FEW FIND it. |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by Wotowotoman: 6:43am On Oct 13 |
How person go siddon and type this epistle wey no get meaning? 125k posts on Nairaland? This is either a bot or a person wey dey use AI to write on Nairaland.. ![]() I no sure say person can be this idle in life. No matter what ![]() Kobojunkie: |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by compton11(m): 7:06am On Oct 13 |
TenQ:with all these that u wrote,why u acting like the Noah history from Bible wasn't inspired by Yahweh? Just like how u said earlier, Muhammad inspired by Jubril (who was sent by God) TenQ:same thing we are saying nigga,the older versions were e corrupt and diluted,then then Yahweh revealed the factual one to Moses, didn't he? Plus Moses or isrealites slaves were unlettered of all these language that recorded all these. TenQ:The oral history of Jesus was also common among the Arabs before prophet Muhammad came ,and when he came he was given the 100% factual one So what exactly is the problem? |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by NOETHNICITY(m): 7:52am On Oct 13 |
Kobojunkie:You are free to concoct whatever ideas you like about what I worship, especially when you have no evidence to support your claims. When I say that Christians worship a man, they do not deny it because they believe that the man they worship is also God. What people truly worship is never a mystery to them; they have a clear understanding of the object of their worship. As a Muslim, I know that I do not worship a man. My Prophet is as much a servant of the same God I worship as I am. You are, of course, free to hold whatever opinion you wish. However, if you follow my arguments closely, you will see that they have been based on evidence, not mere speculation. I will not respond to you again if you make an argument about religion unless you present arguments supported by clear references to my scripture. |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by TenQ: 8:23am On Oct 13 |
compton11:Only the Qur'an claim to be a DICTATION from God. There exist no other scripture other than the Qur'an that claims this. Mohammed thinking the word of God means dictation by God fabricated words and claimed it is from Allah! SMH! The apparition called Jibril never introduced himself. Waraqa did the introduction on behalf of Mohammed. Jibril is shaitan who puts words in Mohammed's mouth. Qur’an 22:52 “We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that, when he tamannā, Satan cast something into his umniyya; but Allah removes what Satan casts, then Allah makes His signs firm. Allah is Knowing, Wise.” 1. Why and How does Shaitan and Jibril look so alike that your prophet mixes them up? 2. Does Shaitan also have 600 wings? compton11:1. We are NOT saying the same thing sir. 2. Allah believes the scriptures are preserved 3. Mohammed believed that the scriptures are preserved BUT 4. Your scholars saw otherwise contradictions they cannot explain. Sorry. The Quran is full of ERRORS that cannot be made by the true God. Here is the most damning verse of the Qur'an Qur’an 4:82: “Do they not reflect upon the Qur’an? If it had been from other than Allah, they would surely have found in it much inconsistency.” At least we can test it for its validity. compton11:How did the story of Jesus get to the Arabs? By inspiration or by plagiarism? No wonder Miriam the sister of Aaron was confused with Mary the mother of Jesus. We know where Mohammed got his stories Sahih al-Bukhari 5917: “The Prophet ﷺ used to copy the people of the Scriptures in matters in which there was no order from Allah. The people of the Scripture used to let their hair hang down, while the polytheists used to part their hair. So the Prophet ﷺ let his hair hang down first, but later he parted it.” |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by TenQ: 8:34am On Oct 13 |
NOETHNICITY:You actually worship Mohammed as partner with God even when with your mouth you deny it. 1. You associate the knowledge of Allah with the knowledge of Mohammed. Isnt it true that Allah amd his apostle knows best? 2. You associate the name of Allah and Mohammed together in your shahada. Can anyone become a Muslim without testifying his belief in Mohammed? 3. You associate the aura and glory of Allah with that of Mohammed. Is this not why the sin of Blasphemy against your prophet must result in execution!? 4. Even your Qur'an says BOTH Allah and Mohammed's commands are unquestionable for you Qur’an 33:36: “It is not for a believing man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter, to have any choice in their affair. Whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has clearly gone astray.” Qur'an 24:51 When called to Allah and His Messenger to judge between them, believers say, “We hear and obey.” Sorry, you worship a man called Mohammed! |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by compton11(m): 12:27pm On Oct 13 |
TenQ:is bible not dictation from God? If it's not,why calling it word of God when it's also involved human narrated story? TenQ:christians will use logic whine u😂 and be dumb whenever they apply that same logic to them. So because Gabriel didn't introduce himself that makes him the devil? Wow that means it was devil that also visited Mary (Luke 1:26–38) and Samson parents (Judges 13)cos the messengers that gave them message never introduced themselves. TenQ:wrong translation plus the verse was talking about prophets/messengers BEFORE Muhammed and I don't even see where it says Satan revealed verses to them. Whenever We sent a messenger or a prophet before you ˹O Prophet˺ and he recited ˹Our revelations˺, Satan would influence ˹people’s understanding of˺ his recitation. But ˹eventually˺ Allah would eliminate Satan’s influence. Then Allah would ˹firmly˺ establish His revelations. And Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. Now read the next verse 👇 All that so He may make Satan’s influence a trial for those ˹hypocrites˺ whose hearts are sick and those ˹disbelievers˺ whose hearts are hardened. Surely the wrongdoers are totally engrossed in opposition. TenQ:is bible your supposed word of God preserved? TenQ:bring those errors 😂😂 Well bible don't have error right? TenQ:Same way Jews got the story of Noah that wasn't jew. TenQ:Qur'an don't talk about any Miriam,nah that's bible. As why u acting like brother/sister usage in the olden days that mean lineage? Is Jesus the son of David? TenQ:[/quote]common bro don't embarrass yourself,this Hadith ain't nothing but something that has to do with identity not anything about Divine revelation. |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by mrkia(m): 12:31pm On Oct 13 |
expert234: [b]Prophet M. (A.S) isn't the founder but the Harbinger and restorer of Millat- Ibraheem (A.S). Millions of Scientists and Philosophers had chosen and continue to chose to believe in the Unlettered Man who had correctly made statement on : Embryology Quran 23:12-14 describes the stages of the embryo as _nutfah, alaqah, mudghah_ - drop, clinging clot, chewed-like lump, then bones clothed with flesh. Many point to the work of Prof. Keith Moore, a Canadian embryologist, who said this description was remarkably accurate. 2. The Expanding Universe Quran 51:47 "And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are expander." The expansion of the universe was only discovered by Hubble in 1929.[its] 3. Mountains as pegs Quran 78:6-7 describes mountains as pegs/stakes. Modern geology shows mountains have deep roots stabilizing the earth's crust. 4. Iron sent down Quran 57:25 says "And We sent down iron..." - Science now knows iron is not formed on earth, it came from exploding stars and meteorites. 5. Barrier between seas Quran 55:19-20 "He released the two seas, meeting [side by side]; Between them is a barrier neither of them transgresses." Now observed where fresh and salt water meet, like in the Gulf.[so] 6. In the Sunnah Statements like "If a fly falls in your drink, dip it then remove it, for one wing has disease and the other has cure" - now researched for antimicrobial properties. Or "The sun and moon do not eclipse for anyone's death" - at a time people believed eclipses were supernatural omens. Meanwhile, It seems you want me to ditch my believe/ assurance of Prophet M. to that of Apostles who had brought confusions to the statement of Prophet Eesa (A.S) holy being. In some instances like the following, He called himself or acts as God: - 1:1 - "the Word was God" - John 10:30 - "I and the Father are one" - John 20:28 - Thomas calls him "My Lord and my God" and Jesus does not correct him - Mark 2:5-7 - He forgives sins, which the scribes say only God can do Here as soon of God or Son of Man: This is actually his most common title. "Son of God" in the Jewish context of that time did not mean God had a physical son. It meant someone with the same nature and authority as God, a unique relationship. It's like saying "son of the king" means you have royal nature. He also calls himself "Son of Man" - from Daniel 7:13-14 - which is a heavenly figure who comes before God. Or His denounce of being called God: - John 14:28 - "the Father is greater than I" - Mark 10:18 - "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone" - John 17:3 - "that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent" - Mark 13:32 - He says he does not know the hour of the end, only the Father knows - John 5:30 - "I can do nothing on my own" Of course the reconciliation of 'Doctrine of Trinity and incarnation by the person of Some Apostles can't be linked directly to the prophet. And this has put confusion into minds who are now of the opinion that Islam actually speaks to the intellect of man. My bro, Open your mind. The fact that God created us with brains tels us He truly wants us to actually reason with his messages----- God of the Father, God of the Son and God of the holy Spirit doesn't make sense. Thanks [/b] |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by Kobojunkieee: 1:45pm On Oct 13 |
NOETHNICITY:1. Basically, you are admitting that Islamists are in fact aware that they worship Momo even though they deny it whenever asked? 😒😒 2. Oh bloody heck! If you pray to a dead man 5 times a day, isn't that the same as worshipping this man? If you model your life after a dead man, isn't that literally you basically making the man god over your existence? Come on! Why the taqiya? 😒😒 3. I hold no opinion here, as the facts speak boldly and loudly for themselves on this. 😒😒 4. Avoiding me will not change the facts here, which are that while Christians are said to worship a man... a fact... so do Islamists. 😒😒 |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by TenQ: 4:23pm On Oct 13*. Modified: 6:15pm On Oct 13 |
compton11:As if the Qur'an does not bear signatures of people other than Allah composing words. Is Al-Fatiha the words of your Allah? If it is, who was Allah praying to? Read my lips: None of the books of the Bible is a dictation by God!. They are inspired! The Bible is called the Word of God because the Writings of the Chronicles are INSPIRED by God. Since you won't understand, let me break it down. God tells His Chosen person to chronicle His dealings with His people and the results of their Obedience or Disobedience so that prosperity can learn. Thus, this Chosen person WRITES according to his knowledge of Events of the Past and Current events as instructed. Again: Your prophet thought the word of God mean dictations ALAS, he goofed. He then began to compose words claiming it is from Allah! compton11:Unfortunately, you Muslims ascribed the Name of the Angel in the Torah and Injeel as your own, thus onus is on you to show that it was indeed Gabriel that appeared to Mohammed. You may wish to explain how Mohammad knew that the Apparition is Jibril as Gabriel NEVER ever squeezes anyone not forget to declare peace to the recipient of a message. Waraqa said this Jibril is the same that appeared to Moses! Is this TRUE? compton11:Do you notice how many words not in the Arabic Qur'an you imputed in your verse to convey a different meanings!? Here is a literal translation Qur’an 22:52 “And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that, when he recited, Satan cast into his recitation. But Allah abolishes what Satan casts; then Allah firmly establishes His verses. And Allah is Knowing, Wise.” a. Allah says every prophet had recited satanic verses b. When the satanic verses are recited by Allah's prophet Allah then abolished what satan cast's into it 1. Why and How does Shaitan and Jibril look so alike that your prophet mixes them up? 2. Does Shaitan also have 600 wings? compton11:Lets look into the next verse for you to see the stewpeediti in it Qur'an 22:53 “So that He may make what Satan casts a trial for those in whose hearts is disease, and those whose hearts are hardened. And indeed, the wrongdoers are in far-reaching opposition.” The implication of this verse is that the satanic verse was NEVER removed as it is in the Qur'an as a TRIAL for those whose in whose hearts is disease. So, the in Qur'an 22:52, Allah CLAIMS to abolish what Satan casts into the Qur'an BUT Qur'an 22:53 says what satan casts is in the Qur'an as a TRIAL for those whose in whose hearts is disease. So, you see your life on the outside!? If you disagree with this, can you tell me then 1. IF Allah indeed abolished what satan cast's into the recitations of Mohammed, how is the words of satan still available for the people with diseases in their hearts? I expect a dance of the broken armed bird! compton11:Christians and Jews do not claim perfect preservation of the Torah or Injeel or Zabur (the Bible). Because the Books of the Bible are never in any preserved Tablet in Paradise. It is you Muslims who revel in the Perfect Preservation of the Qur'an. You even say letter for letter, dot for dot. Unfortunately, all of the Quran shows that it was NEVER preserved as claimed by Muslims. Let me prove it 1. Is it TRUE that the Qur'an was revealed in SEVEN Ahruf? If it is true, what is their Names and where are they? 2. Is it true that there are at least 32 non-identical Arabic Qur'an in existence? If you deny this, I could help your memory with names and differences 3. Can you show me the verse of Breastfeeding an Adult man ten times (abrogated to five times) in the Qur'an? Who deleted it? Was it Aisha and her tame sheep? 4. Can you please provide the verse on Rajam in the Qur'an? Wasn't it revealed and recited as the Qur'an in the lifetime of your prophet? 5. Of the 32+ Arabic Qur'an in existence, can you tell me which one is the exact copy of the Qur'an of Allah in paradise? There are more, but these fibe will do now compton11:The Bible have textual errors because the Bible is a collection of ancient manuscripts copied by hand over many centuries—contains textual variants: places where surviving manuscripts differ in spelling, word order, omissions, additions, or wording. These are easily corrected by looking at thousands of older manuscripts. See how easy the truth is to speak! Now, lets look at errore in the Qur'an Let me use just Qur'an 18:83–98 1. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:86 followed a way UNTIL he reached the setting of the sun, Is this a scientific possibility that someone would walk on earth until he reaches the setting of the sun 2. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:86 found the sun setting in a black muddy pool. Does the sun at any time stay inside some hot black muddy pool? Please whatnis the name of this pool? 3. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:86 found beside this black muddy pool a people where Allah told him to either punish these people or take some to the way of goodness Tell me, the name of the country or nation besides the black muddy pool where the sun sets on earth. Google map is your friend! 4. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:89-90 followed a way UNTIL he reached the rising of the sun Is this a scientific possibility that someone would walk on earth until he reaches the rising of the sun? 5. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:86 found the sun rising upon a people for whom he had not made any shelter or shade from the blazing sun. Can you please tell us the tribe or people or nation on the earth for which there is no shade from the sun? They must be black like charcoal! 6. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:92–96 then travelled to a place between two mountains and found a people who requested for his help to build barriers of IRON and COPPER after levelling these two mountain. The problem: The Fence or Barrier of Dhū-Qarnayn was so HIGH that Gog and Maggog couldn't climb it AND The wall was so [THICK] that Gog and Maggog couldn't pierce it. To make the matters worse, it should still EXISTING because only until Allah levels it would it be destroyed. How come the detailed Aeromagnetic maps of the Earth didn't detect this wall? Except it is a myth of the ancients as usual compton11:Meaning that the claim of Jibril is just a fabrication! Didn't Jibril dictate the Qur'an to Mohammed? But how come Mohammed used to copy the people of the Books including fables and put it in the Qur'an? Have you heard of the Story of the Sleepers in the Qur'an? Are you aware that it was composed by a Christian Monk to encourage people in persecution to stay strong and not give up? Fables like Solomon's Ring, Solomon dying for almost a year with no one knowing found themselves in the Qur'an. Sorry: indeed it is a compilation of tales of the Ancients. compton11:Jesus is called the son of David because He is a Direct Descendant of David through Mary (and even through Joseph) Miriam (Mary) the Sister of Aaron is from the Tribe of Levi Mary the Mother of Jesus is from the Tribe of Judah They are NOT related. Can you find usage in the olden days amongst the Jews where someone NOT related by Blood or Tribe or By Adoption are described as "SON of" or "DAUGHTER of"!? It was a face saving lie my friend! Mary the mother of Jesus and Mary the sister of Aaron are not related. They are from different tribes. compton11:Are you insinuating that your Hadiths are 99a% fraud!? Is the hadith UNTRUE? Sahih al-Bukhari 5917: “The Prophet ﷺ used to copy the people of the Scriptures in matters in which there was no order from Allah. The people of the Scripture used to let their hair hang down, while the polytheists used to part their hair. So the Prophet ﷺ let his hair hang down first, but later he parted it.” Is it UNTRUE that your prophet used to pray towards Jerusalem like the Jews before he changed it to face the Kaaba? Is it UNTRUE that your prophet copied the law of Retribution by Moses (but misapplied it in the Qur'an)? Have you forgotten that Allah tells you to take WHATEVER your prophet tell you? Quran 59:7 “Whatever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatever he forbids you, abstain from it.” So, don't throw your Hadiths under the bus. Are you Quran-only? If you are, it would be unfair for me to judge you with the Hadiths |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by NOETHNICITY(m): 5:16pm On Oct 13 |
Kobojunkieee:Probe that Muslim worship a man! I know 💯 you can’t answer the above question so you will deflect onto other baseless claims with zero reference. |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by NOETHNICITY(m): 5:28pm On Oct 13 |
TenQ:Below is the shahada “I bear witness that there is no god worthy of worship except Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.” Muslims are also allowed to replace the name of prophet Muhammad in the above shahada statement with that of any other prophet of God. How can a statement literally calls a prophet servant translate to worship in your own educational understanding? |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by compton11(m): 6:55pm On Oct 13*. Modified: 7:49pm On Oct 13 |
TenQ:Bleep that mean? What's there in alfatiha that isn't word of God? 😏 TenQ:so who inspired one that told one us different Saul age when he wanted to become King? TenQ:nigga stop diverting and answer the question. If Jubril not introducing himself makes him shaitan then what did it makes the angel that visited Mary and Samson parents? [/quote]so who inspired one that told Do you notice how many words not in the Arabic Qur'an you imputed in your verse to convey a different meanings!?[/quote]ومآ in that verse can be translated as whenever or we didn't (except) TenQ:reciting satanic verses? Damn give me the link to your translation 🤔 [/quote]so who inspired one that told 2. Does Shaitan also have 600 wings?[/quote]what has to do with the argument? TenQ:When the Prophets recited the Revelations, Satan created different sorts of doubts about its truth and meanings in the minds of the people. The verse even included past prophet/messengers not Quran only,why u embarrassing yourself? TenQ:"And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise. Sorry boy I can't save if u can't use your brain. TenQ:so that kind book some part can br believe and some part can be disbelieve?? TenQ:that no5 I will answer for now, which of it is not different in meaning like that kind versions of bible? TenQ:so how can we know the one that's errors and the one that is ain't? What if some of your beliefs are errors? TenQ:Quran never said Sun set in muddy water,Dhu saw the saw as if . Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." these lame argument have been already debunked. TenQ:so because it wasn't yet to be seen make it myth? But Jesus coming back since 2000 years now is not myth? Or the bottomless pit (revelation 20) TenQ:[/quote]so muhammed copied it? Cos it slightly similar right? Which mean Bible Also copied from older Mesopotamian accounts concerning Noah? Right TenQ:nowhere bible mentioned the genealogy of Mary. TenQ:Quran don't talk about that one. And how u know that one real since there's errors in bible? TenQ:mary ancestry wasn't stated in bible or I feel show it to me? And pls u should shorten your words if u want me to be answering you cos I get what I'm doing, I can't be answering long words |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by Kobojunkie: 7:04pm On Oct 13 |
NOETHNICITY:I already gave you two solid evidence of this. ⚉ During the five daily prayers, all Islamists pray at least 5 times to dead Momo. He is not even sitting on the right or left side of the Allah of Islam and still requires forgiveness of sins even as he lies dead in his grave, yet every single day, unfailing, the Islamic world offers prayers to him -- a dead corpse -- at least 5 times a day. That is what worship is! ⚉ Additionally, Momo is lifted up as the standard of perfection in Islam, making him a god to every Islamist out there. Yes, you are all expected to do like Momo, be like Momo, act like Momo... If that isn't what worship is, then absolutely nobody on this planet can be accused of worshipping a man. I don't know why you think you can shut your eyes to these two and still have the guts to point fingers at others in some attempt to denigrate them for doing pretty much some of the same things you do. 🥱🥱 |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by TenQ: 7:06pm On Oct 13 |
NOETHNICITY:With due Respect You are being highly UNTRUTHFUL with your response here. One CANNOT replace the name of Mohammed with ANY prophet be it Moses or Jesus or even Jibril. What could be tolerated is adding the names of these prophets after the basic Shahada WITH Mohammed as the cornerstone. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/98b5e6a6-afc0-490c-bea9-7d0f20943160 Here are Fatwas from Sunni sources that prove you wrong 1. https://darussaafi.com/?p=5439&utm_source=perplexity 2. https://share.google/aimode/VgBZdUiL5yYhEOv77 NOETHNICITY:Islam vehemently reject associating ANYTHING with Allah as it is considered IDOLATRY. However in the Shahada, TWO names MUST appear together, Allah and Mohammed The Shahada is INCOMPLETE without Allah's name The Shahada is ALSO INCOMPLETE without Mohammed's name It is not just about calling a prophet a Messenger it is the COMPOUND usage of the Name of a Human Being (Associating Partner) with Allah. Thirdly, You carefully avoided other scenarios I painted for you to show that Mohammed is actually the pseudo-Allah or deputy-Allah AGAIN I SAID: You actually worship Mohammed as partner with God even when with your mouth you deny it. 1. You associate the knowledge of Allah with the knowledge of Mohammed. Isnt it true that Allah and his apostle knows best? 3. You associate the aura and glory of Allah with that of Mohammed. Is this not why the sin of Blasphemy against your prophet must result in execution!? 4. Even your Qur'an says BOTH Allah and Mohammed's commands are unquestionable for you Qur’an 33:36: “It is not for a believing man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter, to have any choice in their affair. Whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has clearly gone astray.” Qur'an 24:51 When called to Allah and His Messenger to judge between them, believers say, “We hear and obey.” So, you see why you Muslims worship a man called Mohammed!
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| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by Kobojunkie: 7:07pm On Oct 13 |
NOETHNICITY:You lie! 😂😂😂 Islamists almost always only replace the name if and only if they intend to follow it up immediately with another shahada that includes the name of the inventor of Islam. 🥱🥱 |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by TenQ: 8:17pm On Oct 13 |
compton11:Let me show you. Quran 1:1 Allah says "In the name of Allah , the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful.” Two apparitions bearing the name Allah probably why Allah uses WE and US when he is supposed to be singular Qur'an 1:2 Allah says: “All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of the worlds.” The first Allah said that all praise belongs to the second Allah who is the Lord of the worlds If you care to know, the God/Prince/Ruler of this world is a title for satan according to Jesus John 16:11: "Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged." Qur'an 1:5 Allah says: “You alone we worship, and You alone we ask for help.” Who is Allah worshipping? Whose help is Allah seeking? Qur'an 1:6-7 Allah says: “Guide us to the straight path.” “The path of those You have favored, not of those who earned anger, nor of those who went astray.” Allah is praying not to miss the straight path to who? So, you can see that Someone impersonating Allah while writing forgot that Allah should be speaking and not a Muslim BUT This person needed a copy of a prayer similar to the Lord's Prayer in the Bible that he forgot to add the important word QUL= Say So, to your question: "What's there in alfatiha that isn't word of God?" [i]1. If the Al-Fatiha is the word of Allah, then your Allah has another God whose name is Also Allah! 2. OTHERWISE, a human being composed Al-Fatiha as a beautiful Prayer for Muslims. Your take! compton11:It was a Copyist or Scribal error which is detected and corrected. Sorry! compton11:The Angel did not squeeze Mary by the neck till she almost died. Instead, the Angels said ; "Peace be unto You". As a form of Introduction, Everyone visited by an angel must have an inspiration that the Being is a Malach of God. Unlike one apparition that hooked the greatest holy human by the neck and almost strangled him to death. Guess what, this man actually believed that it was a JINN that wanted to kill him. The inspiration that Momodum got was that this Apparition was a Jinn It took the intervention of Khadija who did striptease on Momodum clothed and unclothed to prove that it was a good JINN. Then. Waraqa sealed it by saying that the Apparition was the same Jibril that appeared unto Moses. FROM HERE YOU WENT INTO THE KIND OF FIT MODUMODUM GETS INTO IN THE MIDDLE OF AN INSPIRATION FROM THE APPARITION. Do you remember the Bell (a supposed instrument of shaitan)? Do you remember the snorting of a Carmel? Sahih Muslim (Book 7, Hadith 2654) and involves the Companion Ya'la bin Umayya. .... Ya'la said, "Would that I see revelation coming to the Messenger of Allah ﷺ." Umar lifted a corner of the cloth, and Ya'la looked at him. He described what he saw: "he was emitting a sound of snorting. He (the narrator) said: I thought it was the sound of a camel." |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by TenQ: 8:18pm On Oct 13 |
So, let me repost HERE where you got lost in trance. Waraqa said this Jibril is the same that appeared to Moses! Is this TRUE? compton11:Do you notice how many words not in the Arabic Qur'an you imputed in your verse to convey a different meanings!? Here is a literal translation Qur’an 22:52 “And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that, when he recited, Satan cast into his recitation. But Allah abolishes what Satan casts; then Allah firmly establishes His verses. And Allah is Knowing, Wise.” a. Allah says every prophet had recited satanic verses b. When the satanic verses are recited by Allah's prophet Allah then abolished what satan cast's into it 1. Why and How does Shaitan and Jibril look so alike that your prophet mixes them up? 2. Does Shaitan also have 600 wings? compton11:Lets look into the next verse for you to see the stewpeediti in it Qur'an 22:53 “So that He may make what Satan casts a trial for those in whose hearts is disease, and those whose hearts are hardened. And indeed, the wrongdoers are in far-reaching opposition.” The implication of this verse is that the satanic verse was NEVER removed as it is in the Qur'an as a TRIAL for those whose in whose hearts is disease. So, the in Qur'an 22:52, Allah CLAIMS to abolish what Satan casts into the Qur'an BUT Qur'an 22:53 says what satan casts is in the Qur'an as a TRIAL for those whose in whose hearts is disease. So, you see your life on the outside!? If you disagree with this, can you tell me then 1. IF Allah indeed abolished what satan cast's into the recitations of Mohammed, how is the words of satan still available for the people with diseases in their hearts? I expect a dance of the broken armed bird! compton11:Christians and Jews do not claim perfect preservation of the Torah or Injeel or Zabur (the Bible). Because the Books of the Bible are never in any preserved Tablet in Paradise. It is you Muslims who revel in the Perfect Preservation of the Qur'an. You even say letter for letter, dot for dot. Unfortunately, all of the Quran shows that it was NEVER preserved as claimed by Muslims. Let me prove it 1. Is it TRUE that the Qur'an was revealed in SEVEN Ahruf? If it is true, what is their Names and where are they? 2. Is it true that there are at least 32 non-identical Arabic Qur'an in existence? If you deny this, I could help your memory with names and differences 3. Can you show me the verse of Breastfeeding an Adult man ten times (abrogated to five times) in the Qur'an? Who deleted it? Was it Aisha and her tame sheep? 4. Can you please provide the verse on Rajam in the Qur'an? Wasn't it revealed and recited as the Qur'an in the lifetime of your prophet? 5. Of the 32+ Arabic Qur'an in existence, can you tell me which one is the exact copy of the Qur'an of Allah in paradise? There are more, but these fibe will do now compton11:The Bible have textual errors because the Bible is a collection of ancient manuscripts copied by hand over many centuries—contains textual variants: places where surviving manuscripts differ in spelling, word order, omissions, additions, or wording. These are easily corrected by looking at thousands of older manuscripts. See how easy the truth is to speak! Now, lets look at errors in the Qur'an Let me use just Qur'an 18:83–98 1. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:86 followed a way UNTIL he reached the setting of the sun, Is this a scientific possibility that someone would walk on earth until he reaches the setting of the sun 2. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:86 found the sun setting in a black muddy pool. Does the sun at any time stay inside some hot black muddy pool? Please whatnis the name of this pool? 3. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:86 found beside this black muddy pool a people where Allah told him to either punish these people or take some to the way of goodness Tell me, the name of the country or nation besides the black muddy pool where the sun sets on earth. Google map is your friend! 4. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:89-90 followed a way UNTIL he reached the rising of the sun Is this a scientific possibility that someone would walk on earth until he reaches the rising of the sun? 5. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:86 found the sun rising upon a people for whom he had not made any shelter or shade from the blazing sun. Can you please tell us the tribe or people or nation on the earth for which there is no shade from the sun? They must be black like charcoal! 6. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:92–96 then travelled to a place between two mountains and found a people who requested for his help to build barriers of IRON and COPPER after levelling these two mountain. The problem: The Fence or Barrier of Dhū-Qarnayn was so HIGH that Gog and Maggog couldn't climb it AND The wall was so [THICK] that Gog and Maggog couldn't pierce it. To make the matters worse, it should still EXISTING because only until Allah levels it would it be destroyed. How come the detailed Aeromagnetic maps of the Earth didn't detect this wall? Except it is a myth of the ancients as usual compton11:Meaning that the claim of Jibril is just a fabrication! Didn't Jibril dictate the Qur'an to Mohammed? But how come Mohammed used to copy the people of the Books including fables and put it in the Qur'an? Have you heard of the Story of the Sleepers in the Qur'an? Are you aware that it was composed by a Christian Monk to encourage people in persecution to stay strong and not give up? Fables like Solomon's Ring, Solomon dying for almost a year with no one knowing found themselves in the Qur'an. Sorry: indeed it is a compilation of tales of the Ancients. compton11:Jesus is called the son of David because He is a Direct Descendant of David through Mary (and even through Joseph) Miriam (Mary) the Sister of Aaron is from the Tribe of Levi Mary the Mother of Jesus is from the Tribe of Judah They are NOT related. Can you find usage in the olden days amongst the Jews where someone NOT related by Blood or Tribe or By Adoption are described as "SON of" or "DAUGHTER of"!? It was a face saving lie my friend! Mary the mother of Jesus and Mary the sister of Aaron are not related. They are from different tribes. compton11:Are you insinuating that your Hadiths are 99a% fraud!? Is the hadith UNTRUE? Sahih al-Bukhari 5917: “The Prophet ﷺ used to copy the people of the Scriptures in matters in which there was no order from Allah. The people of the Scripture used to let their hair hang down, while the polytheists used to part their hair. So the Prophet ﷺ let his hair hang down first, but later he parted it.” Is it UNTRUE that your prophet used to pray towards Jerusalem like the Jews before he changed it to face the Kaaba? Is it UNTRUE that your prophet copied the law of Retribution by Moses (but misapplied it in the Qur'an)? Have you forgotten that Allah tells you to take WHATEVER your prophet tell you? Quran 59:7 “Whatever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatever he forbids you, abstain from it.” So, don't throw your Hadiths under the bus. Are you Quran-only? If you are, it would be unfair for me to judge you with the Hadiths Here is a literal translation Qur’an 22:52 “And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that, when he recited, Satan cast into his recitation. But Allah abolishes what Satan casts; then Allah firmly establishes His verses. And Allah is Knowing, Wise.” a. Allah says every prophet had recited satanic verses b. When the satanic verses are recited by Allah's prophet Allah then abolished what satan cast's into it 1. Why and How does Shaitan and Jibril look so alike that your prophet mixes them up? 2. Does Shaitan also have 600 wings? Lets look into the next verse for you to see the stewpeediti in it Qur'an 22:53 “So that He may make what Satan casts a trial for those in whose hearts is disease, and those whose hearts are hardened. And indeed, the wrongdoers are in far-reaching opposition.” The implication of this verse is that the satanic verse was NEVER removed as it is in the Qur'an as a TRIAL for those whose in whose hearts is disease. So, the in Qur'an 22:52, Allah CLAIMS to abolish what Satan casts into the Qur'an BUT Qur'an 22:53 says what satan casts is in the Qur'an as a TRIAL for those whose in whose hearts is disease. So, you see your life on the outside!? If you disagree with this, can you tell me then 1. IF Allah indeed abolished what satan cast's into the recitations of Mohammed, how is the words of satan still available for the people with diseases in their hearts? I expect a dance of the broken armed bird! Christians and Jews do not claim perfect preservation of the Torah or Injeel or Zabur (the Bible). Because the Books of the Bible are never in any preserved Tablet in Paradise. It is you Muslims who revel in the Perfect Preservation of the Qur'an. You even say letter for letter, dot for dot. Unfortunately, all of the Quran shows that it was NEVER preserved as claimed by Muslims. Let me prove it 1. Is it TRUE that the Qur'an was revealed in SEVEN Ahruf? If it is true, what is their Names and where are they? 2. Is it true that there are at least 32 non-identical Arabic Qur'an in existence? If you deny this, I could help your memory with names and differences 3. Can you show me the verse of Breastfeeding an Adult man ten times (abrogated to five times) in the Qur'an? Who deleted it? Was it Aisha and her tame sheep? 4. Can you please provide the verse on Rajam in the Qur'an? Wasn't it revealed and recited as the Qur'an in the lifetime of your prophet? 5. Of the 32+ Arabic Qur'an in existence, can you tell me which one is the exact copy of the Qur'an of Allah in paradise? There are more, but these fibe will do now The Bible have textual errors because the Bible is a collection of ancient manuscripts copied by hand over many centuries—contains textual variants: places where surviving manuscripts differ in spelling, word order, omissions, additions, or wording. These are easily corrected by looking at thousands of older manuscripts. See how easy the truth is to speak! Now, lets look at errore in the Qur'an Let me use just Qur'an 18:83–98 1. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:86 followed a way UNTIL he reached the setting of the sun, Is this a scientific possibility that someone would walk on earth until he reaches the setting of the sun 2. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:86 found the sun setting in a black muddy pool. Does the sun at any time stay inside some hot black muddy pool? Please whatnis the name of this pool? 3. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:86 found beside this black muddy pool a people where Allah told him to either punish these people or take some to the way of goodness Tell me, the name of the country or nation besides the black muddy pool where the sun sets on earth. Google map is your friend! 4. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:89-90 followed a way UNTIL he reached the rising of the sun Is this a scientific possibility that someone would walk on earth until he reaches the rising of the sun? 5. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:86 found the sun rising upon a people for whom he had not made any shelter or shade from the blazing sun. Can you please tell us the tribe or people or nation on the earth for which there is no shade from the sun? They must be black like charcoal! 6. Allah says Dhū-Qarnayn Qur'an 18:92–96 then travelled to a place between two mountains and found a people who requested for his help to build barriers of IRON and COPPER after levelling these two mountain. The problem: The Fence or Barrier of Dhū-Qarnayn was so HIGH that Gog and Maggog couldn't climb it AND The wall was so [THICK] that Gog and Maggog couldn't pierce it. To make the matters worse, it should still EXISTING because only until Allah levels it would it be destroyed. How come the detailed Aeromagnetic maps of the Earth didn't detect this wall? Except it is a myth of the ancients as usual Meaning that the claim of Jibril is just a fabrication! Didn't Jibril dictate the Qur'an to Mohammed? But how come Mohammed used to copy the people of the Books including fables and put it in the Qur'an? Have you heard of the Story of the Sleepers in the Qur'an? Are you aware that it was composed by a Christian Monk to encourage people in persecution to stay strong and not give up? Fables like Solomon's Ring, Solomon dying for almost a year with no one knowing found themselves in the Qur'an. Sorry: indeed it is a compilation of tales of the Ancients. Jesus is called the son of David because He is a Direct Descendant of David through Mary (and even through Joseph) Miriam (Mary) the Sister of Aaron is from the Tribe of Levi Mary the Mother of Jesus is from the Tribe of Judah They are NOT related. Can you find usage in the olden days amongst the Jews where someone NOT related by Blood or Tribe or By Adoption are described as "SON of" or "DAUGHTER of"!? It was a face saving lie my friend! Mary the mother of Jesus and Mary the sister of Aaron are not related. They are from different tribes. Are you insinuating that your Hadiths are 99a% fraud!? Is the hadith UNTRUE? Sahih al-Bukhari 5917: “The Prophet ﷺ used to copy the people of the Scriptures in matters in which there was no order from Allah. The people of the Scripture used to let their hair hang down, while the polytheists used to part their hair. So the Prophet ﷺ let his hair hang down first, but later he parted it.” Is it UNTRUE that your prophet used to pray towards Jerusalem like the Jews before he changed it to face the Kaaba? Is it UNTRUE that your prophet copied the law of Retribution by Moses (but misapplied it in the Qur'an)? Have you forgotten that Allah tells you to take WHATEVER your prophet tell you? Quran 59:7 “Whatever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatever he forbids you, abstain from it.” So, don't throw your Hadiths under the bus. Are you Quran-only? If you are, it would be unfair for me to judge you with the Hadiths [/quote] |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by NOETHNICITY(m): 10:16pm On Oct 13 |
Kobojunkie:After reading the first two sentences of your response, I just glossed through your write up without wasting my time to read through to see if you quoted anything from the quran. Your opinion is irrelevant to me and other Muslims. When a Muslim ask for proof, he is asking you to provide evidence from our scripture. |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by Kobojunkie: 10:27pm On Oct 13 |
NOETHNICITY:Oh, I understand well that facts are contradictory to Islam and hence considered mere opinions. The religion of taqiya is allergic to the truth and facts. 🥱🥱
"Even if we see with our eyes something...to be in a certain way, and Quran tells us that it is not this way... We will say it is the way the Quran says it is... that is belief; that is Islam!" says an Islamic Scholar! 🥱🥱 |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by Kukutente23: 11:25am On Oct 14 |
NOETHNICITY:Are you saying you're equal in status and standing in Islam with prophet Muhammad PBUH? This is blasphemy |
| Re: Nadine Shares Her Journey From Islam To Christianity by NOETHNICITY(m): 12:09pm On Oct 14 |
Kobojunkie:After you failed woefully to refer to even a single scripture and merely stating your opinion on an issue you know nothing about, what else can I do. I’m still challenging you to give a single scripture as reference to anchor your perception of Islam. I’ll give you 1m if you can provide a single verse of the Quran to butter your point. |
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, not eating blood, circumcision on the 8th day (Genesis 17:12) which Islam also practices.
