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QuinQ:
So you let it be, instead of making yourself look bad calling him ignorant up and down. Makes it look like you have nothing to counter him with

fattprince:
He actually has nothing to counter him with. And most delusional of them is Deepspirituals with his empty and illogical responses and turn around to accuse them of being illogical, talk about projecting.

sonmvayina:
For most of my life, I assumed Jesus was a historical figure, but then I decided to research the subject independently, and discovered to my surprise that there isn’t any credible evidence of Jesus being a real person, apart from the copious propaganda of the christian cult and a few non-christian writers repeating bits of that propaganda a century or more after the fact, or fiction.

And in a primitive game of telephone, a century is plenty of time for a mythical minnow to evolve into a mythical whale.

The simple truth, and secular historians and even conservative christian bible scholars will confirm this, is that there is no evidence that anyone living while Jesus was allegedly alive wrote anything about him, outside the christian bible.

And many bible scholars doubt that anyone inside the christian bible knew Jesus or had access to eyewitnesses.

If I asked christians if they believed the propaganda of the moonies, or the Jim Jones cult, or any other cult, they would of course say, “No!”

Why believe what cultists say, without evidence?

There are good reasons to be skeptical about what cults say about their alleged “messiahs,” but for some reason one cult avoids the general skepticism.

Why is that?

One rather obvious reason is that a recent survey reported by David Fitzgerald revealed that 41% or more of bible scholars are employed by religion-associated organizations that require them to sign statements of faith. Such scholars can be fired for saying something “heretical” that contradicts their “faith” and nothing could be more heretical than saying, “Jesus may not have actually existed.”

I say “or more” because many organizations refused to respond to the survey.

Thus the percentage could be much higher.

Bible scholars have to eat and pay their bills, and most of them have families to support, so it’s understandable that many of them express doubts in private but refuse to voice those doubts in public.

And yet, I have been able to compile a list of 352 scholars and researchers with “degrees galore” who have expressed doubts.

By Michael,Burch.

bolabizzle:
Must you display your ignorance for the public to see?

MaxInDHouse:
Because he is the only begotten Son of the true God!🙂

kingxsamz:
Cus the nigga was just an ordinary person who wasn't that important.

KnownUnknown:
Take the Jew plank out of your own eye before telling others about their eyesight.

musicwriter:
It's a pity you're bent on this cross thing

DeepSight:
But it still remains so laughable to me

QuinQ:
Why would emperor of Rome invent a god that makes him (a worshipped god) a lowly sinner like everyone else?! Why would Rome invent a god that they, Romans, crucified? A god that puts them in bad light? Why would Rome invent a god to supplant all their gods that helped them become a great empire? Why would Rome invent a god that advocated ignoring things of this world, including Rome, and focusing on the hereafter? Etc.

musicwriter:
You're asking those questions because you don't realize that in ancient times, people often switched from one God to another. It was nothing to be ashamed of.

Before Jesus, Rome invented the God Mithra which they copied from Persia (Iran). Mithra was also above the Roman Emperor and had most of the attributes as Jesus.

So, the Jesus myth wasn't the first time Rome invented a God that was above the Emperor. And nothing in history says they won't invent another in the great future.

QuinQ:
Who is talking about switching gods? We're talking a god that you killed, that puts you in bad light and makes your god/emperor just another lowly sinner needing lsalvation, just like everyone else! That tells everyone to ignore you and focus on rhe hereafter, that says rich men like your emperor won't make heaven
A god whose disciples you horribly persecuted and tried to stamp out!

musicwriter:
The problem is that you don't know the source of the story.

Be informed that all the older Christo-messiahs before your Jesus also died in the hands of their enemies. Yet, even those older Christo-messiahs aren't the source of the story.

We all also believed the Bible myth like you but as adults we went into research.

The source of the story isn't a human being being killed but a snake being killed by haters as it's still being done today.

In ancient times the snake was the symbol of the Savior.

That's the PRIMARY SOURCE of the story but it took several thousanss of years to evolve into an emotional story of a human being killed on the cross. The story is the reason you're hooked. And it was created by political actors to achieve exactly the same thing.

Attached is a picture of one of the oldest symbol of the Savior (snake) killed and hanged on a tree.

If you're interested in the details, see one of my threads: what is Satan? What is Lucifer? The biggest secret in the world. There's a book there. Read the PDF version only. That's where you'll find all the details. You'll need to do your research several layers deep to uncover the lies.

QuinQ:
I can't believe a human being actually believes this. But we kill snakes today why didn't they become messiahs?! And Paul's letters were written in 1st century (see below). Besides, the question you were asked was WHY would Rome and their emperors invent a religion like Christianity??!

musicwriter:
You keep jumping from one talk to the other. My interest has been on the character called Jesus who certainly NEVER existed at all. And you have no evidence otherwise.

I am not concerned about Paul. He may or may not be real but what's known for sure is that he didn't write some of the letters attributed to him. You can use the same AI to ask for books/letters that scholars believes were not actually written by Paul. The Bible stories are full of propaganda, genuine mistakes and outright lies.

Note: I just realized this is an old thread that I already left sometime ago. I believe I've already debated this with you or someone else here. And as I said then, it's not everyone that will be freed from the myth. What I know is that intelligent people would eventually uncover the lies and set themselves free.

I am done.

musicwriter:
You keep jumping from one talk to the other. My interest has been on the character called Jesus who certainly NEVER existed at all. And you have no evidence otherwise.

I am not concerned about Paul. He may or may not be real but what's known for sure is that he didn't write some of the letters attributed to him. You can use the same AI to ask for books/letters that scholars believes were not actually written by Paul. The Bible stories are full of propaganda, genuine mistakes and outright lies.

Note: I just realized this is an old thread that I already left sometime ago. I believe I've already debated this with you or someone else here. And as I said then, it's not everyone that will be freed from the myth. What I know is that intelligent people would eventually uncover the lies and set themselves free.

I am done.

musicwriter:
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NwaliE01:
Who said Jesus never existed

It's like saying our great great great grandparents that were born over 2000 years ago never existed because you have no evidence of them.
Jesus's own is different because there are overwhelming evidence about his existence.

QuinQ:
The funny thing is that there are lots of things to counter him with. OP's HUGE mistake is that he is confusing Jusus' stature now with his stature back then. His followers were neither scholars nor writers. His story was passed on by word of mouth till it was writen down. It is a historical fact that there were lots of crucifixions back then. It is as if OP heard this theory of Jesus never existing somewhere then put on blinders and has refused to actually logically examine what he heard. He kept saying Eusebius wrote St. Paul's letters even after being shown that Eusebius was born centuries after Paul's letters were writen!

Why would emperor of Rome invent a god that makes him (a worshipped god) a lowly sinner like everyone else?! Why would Rome invent a god that they, Romans, crucified? A god that puts them in bad light? Why would Rome invent a god to supplant all their gods that helped them become a great empire? Why would Rome invent a god that advocated ignoring things of this world, including Rome, and focusing on the hereafter? Etc.
It is as if OP has refused to think.
To top it all off same Jesus is alive and working today, exactly as he said he would! We must accept there are things beyond our understanding as humans. This is one of them!
It is one thing to say that you don't believe things like zombie apocalypse ever happened. It is quite another to say Jesus and early Christians never existed! bolabizzle, LordReed, bolabizzle, DeepSight, MaxInDHouse, kingxsamz, KnownUnknown, musicwriter

LordReed:
This is how AI really works:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIM9qCyfVmg

watch this and be educated. Stop calling AI intelligent.

QuinQ:
Thank you very much for the video but it is extremely simplistic and therefore not factual. Like I've told you before, I have heard one of the pioneers and vanguard of AI interviewed and directly heard him say that no one understands exactly how AI works. Which is supported by the screenshots below. How does AI know to the second what time it is if it is trained only once? How is it so current about everything that is going on to the second?
Also, the reference for this video is 2020, over 6 years ago, when AI people had 10 fingers and you can instantly tell if something was AI.
Finally, based on ideas from this video, think of a question you will ask AI that you can trick it into getting wrong.
bolabizzle, DeepSight, MaxInDHouse, kingxsamz, KnownUnknown, musicwriter

QuinQ:
Thank you very much for the video but it is extremely simplistic and therefore not factual. Like I've told you before, I have heard one of the pioneers and vanguard of AI interviewed and directly heard him say that no one understands exactly how AI works. Which is supported by the screenshots below. How does AI know to the second what time it is if it is trained only once? How is it so current about everything that is going on to the second?
Also, the reference for this video is 2020, over 6 years ago, when AI people had 10 fingers and you can instantly tell if something was AI.
Finally, based on ideas from this video, think of a question you will ask AI that you can trick it into getting wrong.
bolabizzle, DeepSight, MaxInDHouse, kingxsamz, KnownUnknown, musicwriter

QuinQ:
Thank you very much for the video but it is extremely simplistic and therefore not factual. Like I've told you before, I have heard one of the pioneers and vanguard of AI interviewed and directly heard him say that no one understands exactly how AI works. Which is supported by the screenshots below. How does AI know to the second what time it is if it is trained only once? How is it so current about everything that is going on to the second?
Also, the reference for this video is 2020, over 6 years ago, when AI people had 10 fingers and you can instantly tell if something was AI.
Finally, based on ideas from this video, think of a question you will ask AI that you can trick it into getting wrong.
bolabizzle, DeepSight, MaxInDHouse, kingxsamz, KnownUnknown, musicwriter

KnownUnknown:
AI doesn’t know anything. It’s a computer programmed to perform certain tasks. It doesn’t “think”, it is not “intelligent”, it is not ever going to be conscious, IT’S JUST A COMPUTER.

What it regurgitates is the data it has been programmed with or it performs a function it has been programmed to do. They claim they don’t know how it works because they think obscurantism and ambiguity sells the mystery of the “artificial intelligence”.

If you programmed a chatbot (or “train” it like the disingenuous clowns say) with the Marvel Comics universe and instruct it that it’s real, it would tell you the exact date and time Thanos snapped half the morons in the world out of existence.

QuinQ:
bolabizzle, DeepSight, MaxInDHouse, kingxsamz, KnownUnknown, musicwriter.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you ready now to talk about the one and only true religion?

Please that's the only topic that interests me i'm not interested in aimless arguments.

Thank you!🥱

DeepSight:
Servant of Governing Council, how far.

DeepSight:
I am not sure the respect JWs have is on account of what you say. It is more on account of their general simplicity, general adherence to bible truth, and the fact that no one can accuse them of being commercialised or money or power focused like most other denominations are. Alot of people see a purity in them which is lacking in many other places. I should know, for as I told you, in my youth, I used to be one.

MaxInDHouse:
Why quoting me if you don't want to be quoted?

Well see what you typed with your own fingers regarding the works of this so called GOVERNING BODY:

🤔

DeepSight:
You are a creep.

MaxInDHouse:
Still quoting me yet crying all over the forum that i shouldn't quote you!😟

People like you don't know what it means to be respected.

If you don't want to be quoted for what you said please why do you engage people in discussions?

Quote me anywhere, anytime and before anybody i will stand by my word. That is what it means to be reputable!🥱

MaxInDHouse:
Are you ready now to talk about the one and only true religion?

Please that's the only topic that interests me i'm not interested in aimless arguments.

Thank you!🥱

MaxInDHouse:
Still quoting me yet crying all over the forum that i shouldn't quote you!😟

People like you don't know what it means to be respected.

If you don't want to be quoted for what you said please why do you engage people in discussions?

Quote me anywhere, anytime and before anybody i will stand by my word. That is what it means to be reputable!🥱

KnownUnknown:
AI doesn’t know anything. It’s a computer programmed to perform certain tasks. It doesn’t “think”, it is not “intelligent”, it is not ever going to be conscious, IT’S JUST A COMPUTER.

What it regurgitates is the data it has been programmed with or it performs a function it has been programmed to do. They claim they don’t know how it works because they think obscurantism and ambiguity sells the mystery of the “artificial intelligence”.

If you programmed a chatbot (or “train” it like the disingenuous clowns say) with the Marvel Comics universe and instruct it that it’s real, it would tell you the exact date and time Thanos snapped half the morons in the world out of existence.

DeepSight:
GBAM

LordReed:
This is how AI really works:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIM9qCyfVmg

watch this and be educated. Stop calling AI intelligent.

QuinQ:
You folks truly believe this below was writen with ulterior motives??!
How are you sure your consciousness is not artificial??

QuinQ:
You folks truly believe this below was writen with ulterior motives??!
How are you sure your consciousness is not artificial??

QuinQ:
You folks truly believe this below was writen with ulterior motives??!
How are you sure your consciousness is not artificial??