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LordReed:
LoLz. Elon Musk fan boy. He knows as much about AI as you, which is very little.

I am not sure what you are driving at. I have never claimed AI will never be sentient or conscious. DeepSight and I have an ongoing back and forth on that subject and I have repeatedly supported the preposition.

Really? Haven't you been saying it is just a "language tree? Are there two of you on this platform?

QuinQ:
Some people manage to step out of the lack of consciousness of man. He's one of them

This is a joke taken too far. This comment shows me I should not waste my time.

paxonel:
Because academic history books are not religious books..
Jesus was a prophet and founder of a religion.

Do people go to school to study religion?
We know schools are meant to study history, not religion.

If you want to know more are Jesus, Muhammed, God, African juju, etc, please go their appropriate religious centres

are you saying that j.man is a mythological figure?

QuinQ:
No mind them. See all the evidence listed above. People like this musicwriter guy (alias sonmvayina) simply refuse to think once they chance upon a FALSE premise they happen to like!

which evidence?

why did Richard Carier not see it?

QuinQ:
Really? Haven't you been saying it is just a "language tree? Are there two of you on this platform?

What it is now is different from what it will be in the future.

QuinQ:
They are the ones who managed to step outside the lack of consciousness of man

You can choose to be hoodwinked, I reject it though. Anybody selling spiritual wuuwuu is a joker in my view.

QuinQ:
You must be kidding. Our powerful traditional gods occipied inanimate carved wood?

Hahahahahahahahahaa

LordReed:
You can choose to be hoodwinked, I reject it though. Anybody selling spiritual wuuwuu is a joker in my view.

DeepSight:
This is a joke taken too far. This comment shows me I should not waste my time.

So what is wrong with statement below? But that's even besides thr point. The point is that we don't really know what is consciousness nor what it entails and therefore are in no position to say what might become conscious. In our view a plant is not conscious yet various plants use all sorts of tricks to discourage being eaten, flowers know how to attract butterflies, etc. Everything is energy and if things are combined or manipulated a certain way we don't know that consciousness won’t organically arise

QuinQ:
So what is wrong with statement below? But that's even besides thr point. The point is that we don't really know what is consciousness nor what it entails and therefore are in no position to say what might become conscious. In our view a plant is not conscious yet various plants use all sorts of tricks to discourage being eaten, flowers know how to attract butterflies, etc. Everything is energy and if things are combined or manipulated a certain way we don't know that consciousness won’t organically arise

If you don't know what consciousness is, you are certainly in no position to say that anyone is of higher consciousness, and you also cannot claim what consciousness would arise from especially with something inorganic.

LordReed:
What it is now is different from what it will be in the future.

That's what we've been discussing - the future. Everybody knows it is neither conscious nor sentient now

QuinQ:
That's what we've been discussing - the future. Everybody knows it is neither conscious nor sentient now

You have not been using future tense in referring to AI.

DeepSight:
If you don't know what consciousness is, you are certainly in no position to say that anyone is of higher consciousness, and you also cannot claim what consciousness would arise from especially with something inorganic.

Organically means "naturally" in that instant. You ought know English language enough to know that.
That's the point: we don't know!
You asked for anyone whoever said man was not conscious, you were given one

LordReed:
You have not been using future tense in referring to AI.

I have always said "extremely complex" or extremely advanced will be indistinguishable...

QuinQ:
So what is wrong with statement below? But that's even besides thr point. The point is that we don't really know what is consciousness nor what it entails and therefore are in no position to say what might become conscious. In our view a plant is not conscious yet various plants use all sorts of tricks to discourage being eaten, flowers know how to attract butterflies, etc. Everything is energy and if things are combined or manipulated a certain way we don't know that consciousness won’t organically arise

This the thing with you you stretch the meanings of words to project whatever half-baked fantasy you want to say. A flower doesn't know anything. It and the butterfly are a product of their environment, acting/reacting according to what they are.

Energy is not spirit.

DeepSight:
Hahahahahahahahahaa

Laugh all you want. Those gods exhibited real power and inhibited inanimate objects carved for them

LordReed:
This the thing with you you stretch the meanings of words to project whatever half-baked fantasy you want to say. A flower doesn't know anything. It and the butterfly are a product of their environment, acting/reacting according to what they are.

Energy is not spirit.

How do you know?

QuinQ:
I have always said "extremely complex" or extremely advanced will be indistinguishable...

No you have not.

QuinQ:
Thank you very much for the video but it is extremely simplistic and therefore not factual. Like I've told you before, I have heard one of the pioneers and vanguard of AI interviewed and directly heard him say that no one understands exactly how AI works. Which is supported by the screenshots below. How does AI know to the second what time it is if it is trained only once? How is it so current about everything that is going on to the second?
Also, the reference for this video is 2020, over 6 years ago, when AI people had 10 fingers and you can instantly tell if something was AI.
Finally, based on ideas from this video, think of a question you will ask AI that you can trick it into getting wrong.

None of what you said in this post is future tense.

QuinQ:
How do you know?

Because if it was then all your "gurus" would be out of a job. We don't need wuuwuu to understand energy.

QuinQ:
Organically means "naturally" in that instant. You ought know English language enough to know that.
That's the point: we don't know!
You asked for anyone whoever said man was not conscious, you were given one

Go to bed. Sleep for three days at least. Doctor's orders.

LordReed:
No you have not.



None of what you said in this post is future tense.

Ancient history. We've since gone way beyond that. See screenshots below

DeepSight:
Go to bed. Sleep for three days at least. Doctor's orders.

You are really not very smart, are you? That's why I quashed the idea that you and LordReed could be one and the same person. See below

QuinQ:
You are really not very smart, are you? That's why I quashed the idea that you and LordReed could be one and the same person. See below

Goodnight.

LordReed:
Because if it was then all your "gurus" would be out of a job. We don't need wuuwuu to understand energy.

Bottom line is, we don't know. If you really think about it and you're honest with yourself, you'd have to admit we know very, very little. We just think we know, just as we tend to think we can perceive wirh our senses all there is

DeepSight:
Goodnight.

Night? Where in the world are you?

sonmvayina:
which evidence?

why did Richard Carier not see it?

All the evidence in the eight screenshots below. Address them one by one

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QuinQ:
Ancient history. We've since gone way beyond that. See screenshots below

LoLz. The thing you said yesterday is ancient history? I bet if we hadn't pushed back strongly against your nonsense you'd still be spouting it.

QuinQ:
Bottom line is, we don't know. If you really think about it and you're honest with yourself, you'd have to admit we know very, very little. We just think we know, just as we tend to think we can perceive wirh our senses all there is

There you go again later you'll claim you aren't questioning reality. There is no shame in admiting you are wrong.

QuinQ:
You are really not very smart, are you? That's why I quashed the idea that you and LordReed could be one and the same person. See below

Why are you always looking for people who are one and the same?

LordReed:
LoLz. The thing you said yesterday is ancient history? I bet if we hadn't pushed back strongly against your nonsense you'd still be spouting it.

The discussion has gone way beyond that, even into spirits and humans lacking true consciousness

LordReed:
There you go again later you'll claim you aren't questioning reality. There is no shame in admiting you are wrong.

Stating a fact is not questioning reality. Our senses pick up very little of what there is. See below

LordReed:
Why are you always looking for people who are one and the same?

Because unlike me, I'm suspicious there are NLers with more than one account