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femi4:
You still missed it

Restitution is the act of restoring something lost, damaged, or stolen to its rightful owner (or compensating them directly),

Whereas atonement is the act of making amends, reconciling a broken relationship

Dont mixed them together

When you repair, restore, replace and compensate a person you injured, are you not mending and atoning the injury and wrong you caused the person you injured?

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atone
/əˈtəʊn/
To atone means to do something right to make up for a wrong, crime, sin, or failure

They end in the same place

How you take know? Are the arinu rode of Jesus?

I wanted to comment but then we need VAR

Vdestr0:
Grudge? Do you hold a grudge with a piece of paper that tears from your notebook?

There is nothing to begrudge here.

This is simply a case of turning your back on someone who you warned not to do that evil thing to you, yet he did.

There is nothing more to be done abi you here say Jesus do Judas anything?

Ehn, no issue na!

Yes he do Judas something according to you people: He did not forgive.

ebubeson:
It was prophesied that someone will betray Jesus. Judas finally betrayed Jesus Christ, but he never repented. Peter denied Jesus Christ, but came back to Christ and was accepted. Jesus Christ would have forgiven Judas if He repented.

No matter the sin you have committed against Jesus Christ, even if it is a betrayal, tell Jesus Christ to have mercy on you and forgive all your sins. He will forgive all your sins.

What sin have you committed? Adultery, masturbation, fornication, bestiality, murder, abortion, gay, hookup, lying, paternity fraud, lesbianism, yahoo yahoo, rituals, vodoo, juju, witchcraft, hatred, envy, malice, worldly dressing, forging certificate, bribery, gossip, rape etc. Tell Jesus to forgive you all your sins and repent never to go back again.

I’m of the opinion that Judas Iscariot repented. You know Jesus Christ descended into hell and he also preached there, Judas Iscariot was already dead and in hell so he would have repented

Thanks for the compliment in your last sentence..now calm down..god formed Judas and knew him before he was born, then destined him for a special task..which is - helping the prophesy to come true by betraying Jesus..without betrayal Jesus will not die according to the story..agreed anyone could have done the betrayal,..I'm asking a different view to the popular narratives that Judas is the bad guy..he might be a greed but he did the right thing to betray Jesus because that's what Yahweh a.k.a Jesus Christ wanted to achieve.. Judas should get some recognition not condemnation..he played a vital role in your salvation.thanks

Vdestr0:
So you do not know a person who conspires to commit a crime is guilty of that crime eh?

If you security guard conspires with people who he knows hates you and want you dead and then opens your gate for them to come in and then they kidnap you, and eventually kill you, you think he shall be arrested for betrayal?

Gosh Unaself? When it comes to God, Una like to reason wetin no make sense.

RealSleek:
You miss the point..Judas didn't do anything bad by facilitating the fulfillment of the scripture..stop painting him bad..you should celebrate Judas . Without Judas there is no christianity

Okay boss.

StillDtruth:
That is already answered but woe shall follow the person who did not run like everyone else

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God planned everything from the beginning, yet Jesus pronounced woe on Judas for carrying out the very betrayal that facilitated that plan. If Judas refused, wouldn't God have found another way to fulfil his plan? So why condemn Judas?

The Gospel of Judas, an ancient Coptic text preserved in the Codex Tchacos, which presents a radically different portrayal of Judas and his relationship with Jesus, challenges the simplistic picture that the canonical Gospels are the only perspective worth examining.

God's plan required Jesus to be betrayed, yet we condemn the person through whom that plan was fulfilled.

Dtruthspeaker:
Not True.
JMatthew 27:3–5 but his grace had expired, so he God locked him out from God.

Same thing happened to Esau, Joseph, King Saul, Solomon etc

God's Mercy And Grace Has A Time Limit!

https://www.nairaland.com/8292342/gods-mercy-grace-time-limit#133280130

Who is Joseph?

Prettychild:
I’m of the opinion that Judas Iscariot repented. You know Jesus Christ descended into hell and he also preached there, Judas Iscariot was already dead and in hell so he would have repented

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I thought Jesus descended into the underworld to fight Hades, like the Greek mythology and Hellenistic beliefs they stole that concept from.

Now, that you say he went preaching...

ebubeson:
It was prophesied that someone will betray Jesus. Judas finally betrayed Jesus Christ, but he never repented. Peter denied Jesus Christ, but came back to Christ and was accepted. Jesus Christ would have forgiven Judas if He repented.

No matter the sin you have committed against Jesus Christ, even if it is a betrayal, tell Jesus Christ to have mercy on you and forgive all your sins. He will forgive all your sins.

What sin have you committed? Adultery, masturbation, fornication, bestiality, murder, abortion, gay, hookup, lying, paternity fraud, lesbianism, yahoo yahoo, rituals, vodoo, juju, witchcraft, hatred, envy, malice, worldly dressing, forging certificate, bribery, gossip, rape etc. Tell Jesus to forgive you all your sins and repent never to go back again.

Well, Jesus prayed for Peter before he denied Him. He didn't pray for Judas.

That could be a pointer that there will be no opportunity for Judas to 'repent' and be forgiven.

Judas was doomed from birth. Read Matthew 26: 24.

ebubeson:
It was prophesied that someone will betray Jesus. Judas finally betrayed Jesus Christ, but he never repented. Peter denied Jesus Christ, but came back to Christ and was accepted. Jesus Christ would have forgiven Judas if He repented.

No matter the sin you have committed against Jesus Christ, even if it is a betrayal, tell Jesus Christ to have mercy on you and forgive all your sins. He will forgive all your sins.

What sin have you committed? Adultery, masturbation, fornication, bestiality, murder, abortion, gay, hookup, lying, paternity fraud, lesbianism, yahoo yahoo, rituals, vodoo, juju, witchcraft, hatred, envy, malice, worldly dressing, forging certificate, bribery, gossip, rape etc. Tell Jesus to forgive you all your sins and repent never to go back again.

This is nothing but the real gospel truth.
Killing oneself is not the solution to your sin problem but confession,genuine repentance and accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour is the only way out.

RealSleek:
Thanks for the compliment in your last sentence..now calm down..god formed Judas and knew him before he was born, then destined him for a special task..which is - helping the prophesy to come true by betraying Jesus..without betrayal Jesus will not die according to the story..agreed anyone could have done the betrayal,..I'm asking a different view to the popular narratives that Judas is the bad guy..he might be a greed but he did the right thing to betray Jesus because that's what Yahweh a.k.a Jesus Christ wanted to achieve.. Judas should get some recognition not condemnation..he played a vital role in your salvation.thanks

I answered you on the fact that you said he was not a murderer but a betrayer.

So it's obvious you have no answer to that.

So to cover your shame you have moved to repeat yourself on the Judas issue which I and even others have answered already. So your repeating yourself is not a counter but rather just shows you have nothing to say.

chieveboy:
Yes he do Judas something according to you people: He did not forgive.

How is turning your back a doing of something to someone who caused your death?

Shall your answer to someone who caused your death be to turn your back on the person? Shall you if you had the power not rather face the person and make sure you utterly deal with the person that everyone shall know that you dealt with the person thoroughly? That the person shall seek death but not find it until you are thoroughly spent with that person who dared?

Did Jesus do that? No. So there is no issue here.

bukatyne:
Who is Joseph?

Do you not know Jacob's second to the last born son? The one who was vice president of Egypt?

Vdestr0:
How is turning your back a doing of something to someone who caused your death?

Shall your answer to someone who caused your death be to turn your back on the person? Shall you if you had the power not rather face the person and make sure you utterly deal with the person that everyone shall know that you dealt with the person thoroughly? That the person shall seek death but not find it until you are thoroughly spent with that person who dared?

Did Jesus do that? No. So there is no issue here.

We are actually talking about the person who invented the idea of turning the other cheek, not letting the sun go down with a grudge, forgiving 77 times...

ebubeson:
It was prophesied that someone will betray Jesus. Judas finally betrayed Jesus Christ, but he never repented. Peter denied Jesus Christ, but came back to Christ and was accepted. Jesus Christ would have forgiven Judas if He repented.

No matter the sin you have committed against Jesus Christ, even if it is a betrayal, tell Jesus Christ to have mercy on you and forgive all your sins. He will forgive all your sins.

What sin have you committed? Adultery, masturbation, fornication, bestiality, murder, abortion, gay, hookup, lying, paternity fraud, lesbianism, yahoo yahoo, rituals, vodoo, juju, witchcraft, hatred, envy, malice, worldly dressing, forging certificate, bribery, gossip, rape etc. Tell Jesus to forgive you all your sins and repent never to go back again.

Judas Iscariot repented. The only sin he committed was killing himself. Truth be told, he regretted his actions. His regret was so painful that he couldn't bear the pain and he hung himself.

chieveboy:
We are actually talking about the person who invented the idea of turning the other cheek, not letting the sun go down with a grudge, forgiving 77 times...

Ah, ah, someone who turned his back on a person who killed him and did not do as you and I both know we would have done if it had happened to you or me?

Come on, that na better turning of cheek!

So you are just being ridiculous.

And now, I expect you to come back to repeat yourself since you are trying to condemn Jesus but He remains blame-non .

Vdestr0:
Ah, ah, someone who turned his back on a person who killed him and did not do as you and I both know we would have done if it had happened to you or me?

Sorry, a which point did this happen?

I think you and the OP should agree on one thing. Not forgiving is holding a grudge and the opposite of "turning his back" whatever that means

And now, I expect you to come back to repeat yourself since you are trying to condemn Jesus but He remains blame-non .

As forecasted...

ebubeson:
It was prophesied that someone will betray Jesus. Judas finally betrayed Jesus Christ, but he never repented. Peter denied Jesus Christ, but came back to Christ and was accepted. Jesus Christ would have forgiven Judas if He repented.

No matter the sin you have committed against Jesus Christ, even if it is a betrayal, tell Jesus Christ to have mercy on you and forgive all your sins. He will forgive all your sins.

What sin have you committed? Adultery, masturbation, fornication, bestiality, murder, abortion, gay, hookup, lying, paternity fraud, lesbianism, yahoo yahoo, rituals, vodoo, juju, witchcraft, hatred, envy, malice, worldly dressing, forging certificate, bribery, gossip, rape etc. Tell Jesus to forgive you all your sins and repent never to go back again.

lol. Asking a dead person for forgiveness, you can as well Join him so you can talk to him directly since you love him so much. Smh

chieveboy:
Sorry, a which point did this happen?

I think you and the OP should agree on one thing. Not forgiving is holding a grudge and the opposite of "turning his back" whatever that means



As forecasted...

Good thing every point I made is up on the thread and in my answers to you.

So clearly as I said you shall have nothing to say in counter so you shall come to repeat yourself as you yourself have admitted I "forecasted" lol.

So I am done.

How will he have repented?

Abi you don't understand what he did to his creator and he was forewarned

You didn't read where Jesus Christ said - it would have been better he was not born

Vdestr0:
Good thing every point I made is up on the thread and in my answers to you.

So clearly as I said you shall have nothing to say in counter so you shall come to repeat yourself as you yourself have admitted I "forecasted" lol.

So I am done.

You actually shouldn't have started the defence in the first place. This topic already settles it.

Jesus according to the OP did not forgive Judas till he died and departed. Which is against his own teaching if he indeed did that.

So if he goes against his own teaching (1) and committing a sin (2) according to christian doctrine and goes scot free, what is the guarantee that doing what he did earns any one who does same a punishment?

Are we sure all this "sin" and whatnots is not just some invention of someone who wrote the bible?

I mean, Look at Jesus na, sinning and living happily ever after

chieveboy:
You actually shouldn't have started the defence in the first place. This topic already settles it.

Jesus according to the OP did not forgive Judas till he died and departed. Which is against his own teaching if he indeed did that.

So if he goes against his own teaching (1) and committing a sin (2) according to christian doctrine and goes scot free, what is the guarantee that doing what he did earns any one who does same a punishment?

Are we sure all this "sin" and whatnots is not just some invention of someone who wrote the bible?

I mean, Look at Jesus na, sinning and living happily ever after

As I said, this is done already and you are only trying to relitigate an already done matter which shows you have lost already

So you can go on trying but nothing you say erases any of the evidence up there showing Jesus indeed lived by his own teaching which you could not counter so your trying to hang on to op's word is a nullity then your running to attack the Bible is another nullity.

All you shall be doing henceforth are all nullities but it is your right to engage in nullities.

So here comes another one from you now lol..

Who did Judas murdered? Himself?

Vdestr0:
I answered you on the fact that you said he was not a murderer but a betrayer.

So it's obvious you have no answer to that.

So to cover your shame you have moved to repeat yourself on the Judas issue which I and even others have answered already. So your repeating yourself is not a counter but rather just shows you have nothing to say.

RealSleek:
Who did Judas murdered? Himself?

Ha, so from repeating yourself to now not making any sense. na wa ooo! What a mess! Abeg pity yourself and stop disgracing yourself.

DEROXMAN:
Because dem catch am, juz like ur wife cheat but ask for fogiveness because you catch am, if you no catch am she go beg?

Lol bro all na fiction

Chienex24:
Not full of lies brother!!

If you kill your neighbour and go back to their family for forgiveness, and they forgive you, but you later kill yourself for killing your neighbour, how will God help you in the matter? You just created a new sin for yourself, of which you are no longer alive to repent again!!!

So that god no get power to help him

Dtruthspeaker:
He repent but na every repentance you dey accept?

So your god is that wicked