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Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by itzadorable333: 6:07pm On Oct 27
Teymanhenry:
Where in Malachi did God explicitly command that no Israelite should marry more than one wife? Quote the verse.

If polygamy was a sin, why did God regulate it without explicitly prohibiting it?

God also warned the Israelites against marrying foreign women (Deuteronomy 7:3–4). Does that mean marrying someone from another country or ethnic group is sinful today?

If we recognise that some commands had specific historical contexts, why can't we apply the same principle when discussing polygamy? Let's interpret Scripture consistently, not selectively.
Ride on!
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by itzadorable333: 6:08pm On Oct 27
Dtruthspeaker:
Who shall be a king of Israel or from whom shall God choose a king of Israel?
Answer: Any Israelite man.

And secondly by Malachi and after do you see any Israelite with 2 wives?

No!
Clear proof that they understood that God told them to stop polygamy

And before Malachi Ezra seeing the disobedience of this Law commanded

Ezra 10:3
Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law

So, you see, why it is right for co-adulteresses and their batsard children to be cast out like Haggai and Ishmael. God does not like unlawfulness. Which by Malachi, polygamy was not seen in Israel again. God had completely eradicated it.

* Excessive gold and silver law is The Law prohibiting a king from embezzlement of the common wealth exactly what everyone complains against their presidents and rulers. So you see, The Law covers the wrongs and evils a king can do while in position.
hehehe we hear you prophet Ezra
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by itzadorable333: 6:10pm On Oct 27
StillDtruth:
No where did i say Malachi said God commanded that no Israelite should marry more than one wife. I clearly said that "by Malachi you do not see any Israelite with 2 wives in proof that they understood that God told them to stop polygamy.

And after Malachi you do not see any Israelite with more than 1 wife.
. Hehehe prophet Monogamy



This is departing from the topic but let me remind you that Ezra shows what happened when they did this. And when that happened, see what Ezra did

Ezra 10:3
Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the Law.

So, you see, they understood what God wanted and where they were in breach, they returned back to what they knew God Commanded and what He desired which is monogamy
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by itzadorable333: 6:10pm On Oct 27
StillDtruth:
No where did i say Malachi said God commanded that no Israelite should marry more than one wife. I clearly said that "by Malachi you do not see any Israelite with 2 wives in proof that they understood that God told them to stop polygamy.

And after Malachi you do not see any Israelite with more than 1 wife.
. Hehehe prophet Monogamy



This is departing from the topic but let me remind you that Ezra shows what happened when they did this. And when that happened, see what Ezra did

Ezra 10:3
Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the Law.

So, you see, they understood what God wanted and where they were in breach, they returned back to what they knew God Commanded and what He desired which is monogamy
Hehehe prophet Monogamy
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by erico2k2(m): 9:35pm On Oct 27
Dtruthspeaker:
Which prophet had 2 wives ehn?

Not to talk that by Malachi no Israelite had 2 wives
see them. people like you are the reason Pastors take advantage of people in Nigeria cos if you lot bother to read, you will be wiser
The Bible indicates that Moses had two wives: Zipporah of Midian and a Cushite woman mentioned in Numbers 12:1. Zipporah is introduced in Exodus 2:21, while the Cushite woman appears later, and most sources interpret her as a second wife rather than another name for Zipporah.
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by erico2k2(m): 9:35pm On Oct 27
free2ryhme:
How many wife Joseph get
Joseph has one but others have more thanone
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by Dtruthspeaker: 6:24am On Oct 28
erico2k2:
see them. people like you are the reason Pastors take advantage of people in Nigeria cos if you lot bother to read, you will be wiser
The Bible indicates that Moses had two wives: Zipporah of Midian and a Cushite woman mentioned in Numbers 12:1. Zipporah is introduced in Exodus 2:21, while the Cushite woman appears later, and most sources interpret her as a second wife rather than another name for Zipporah.
Did Moses have 2 wives
AI Overview
The Bible does not explicitly state whether Moses had one or two wives, leaving scholars and theologians divided into two main interpretations.

1. The Single-Wife View (Zipporah is the Cushite)

• Zipporah as the Wife: Moses is widely known to have married Zipporah, the Midianite daughter of Jethro (Reuel), with whom he had two sons, Gershom and Eliezer.
• Geographical and Poetic Link: Some scholars argue that "Cushite" in Numbers 12:1 refers poetically or culturally to Zipporah herself. In certain biblical passages (such as Habakkuk 3:7), the region of Cush is closely associated with or overlaps the territory of Midian, meaning "Cushite" could simply describe Zipporah's non-Israelite ancestry or dark complexion.
• Conclusion in this view: Moses was married to only one woman—Zipporah

I just got this from Google which I never knew but my own answer is that "Did Moses have 2 wives like Rasak Okoya and co?
No!

Rather he was married twice just like Chris oyaks and chris okotie and no one said that that was polygamy
.

So, you are wrongi
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by Teymanhenry(m): 7:15am On Oct 28
Dtruthspeaker:
The same common sense has been applied on this Deut 17:17 already for i answered you "from whom shall God choose to be king of Israel? Or do you presume that the King of Isreal will drop from the sky?

And you did not address this and hence why your moved post back to Exodus 21:10 where I already explained that they already had multiple wives just like the rest of the pagan world where it is known that if the first wife does not accept the husband marrying a second wife, (which we all know that she can never support if she is free) the husband shall do the additional wickedness of throwing her and the children out and cutting them off from sustenance. Yul edochie's case proves this.

And God never supports wickedness, so since they already had taken multiple wives in Egypt, then this is God in Exodus 21:10 stopping the wickedness that comes out of polygamy. Then in Deuteronomy 17:17 he completely bans polygamy which we see stopped by the time the Bible reaches Malachi were you no longer see any Israelite with more than one wife.
At this point, I’ll stop educating you on this matter. You’ve concluded that no woman would willingly accept her husband marrying a second wife, yet you’ve seen examples like the pastor’s wife and Sarah, alongside millions of other cases. You even went as far as calling it an act of wickedness. That is an emotional judgment, not a logical argument.

Let me repeat my point: polygamy has its consequences, but negative consequences do not automatically make something a sin.
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by Dtruthspeaker: 9:07am On Oct 28
Teymanhenry:
At this point, I’ll stop educating you on this matter. You’ve concluded that no woman would willingly accept her husband marrying a second wife, yet you’ve seen examples like the pastor’s wife and Sarah, alongside millions of other cases. You even went as far as calling it an act of wickedness. That is an emotional judgment, not a logical argument.

Let me repeat my point: polygamy has its consequences, but negative consequences do not automatically make something a sin.
My statement saying "no woman would willingly accept her husband marrying a second wife" is not the issue. (I will open a thread on that to understand this part cos i don't understand how you say it is not wickedness)

So can you counter my response on "the same common sense has been applied on this Deut 17:17 already for i answered you "from whom shall God choose to be king of Israel? Or do you presume that the King of Isreal will drop from the sky?

And that i already explained that in Exodus 21:10 they already had multiple wives just like the rest of the pagan world when they left Egypt.

Or you can't?
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by LordReed(m): 9:08am On Oct 28
erico2k2:
Bro check am how many prophets in the bible get one wife huh?
This one wife thing is not from the bible, its from England
Several. Isaac, Moses, Isaiah, etc.

Let's be clear though, the Bible supports both monogamy and polygamy.
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by Dtruthspeaker:
Teymanhenry:
At this point, I’ll stop educating you on this matter. You’ve concluded that no woman would willingly accept her husband marrying a second wife, yet you’ve seen examples like the pastor’s wife and Sarah, alongside millions of other cases. You even went as far as calling it an act of wickedness. That is an emotional judgment, not a logical argument.

Let me repeat my point: polygamy has its consequences, but negative consequences do not automatically make something a sin.
First, because of your statement, let me remind you that Sarah did not accept Abraham marrying a second wife as Abraham made no such offer.

Acceptance means that an offer has been made first to her. And that did not happen.


Secondly, are you saying that because this pastor's wife allowed her husband to take a second wife, that therefore she willingly accepted it?

This is even born out of the known natural fact that women don't even allow their partners to cheat not to talk their partners marrying the person they cheated with, so is it that you are pretending to not see that in all the situations where a wife agrees to her husband taking another wife it is because of undue pressure and weakness and survival?

And how you say it is not wickedness, just blew my mind.

These threads shows that it is wickedness
https://www.nairaland.com/5306360/man-destroys-own-house-because#80355564

https://www.nairaland.com/4687997/lady-shares-how-man-abandons#70467149
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by Dtruthspeaker:
LordReed:
Several. Isaac, Moses, Isaiah, etc.

Let's be clear though, the Bible supports both monogamy and polygamy.
You have come with your lies again Isaiah never had 2 wives

AI Overview
The Bible does not record that the prophet Isaiah had two wives.
• Wife's Identity: Isaiah is mentioned as having one wife, whom he refers to simply as "the prophetess" in Isaiah 8:3.
• Children: Scripture records that they had at least two sons with symbolic prophetic names: Shear-Jashub and Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz (Isaiah 7:3, 8:3).

Moses never had 2 wives like Rasak Okoya and co

If at all, the worse is that he was married twice just like Chris oyaks and chris okotie and no one calls that polygamy.

And isaac had only one wife. And he was not a prophet.
AI Overview
According to the biblical record, Isaac had only one wife, Rebekah.

But I'm sure you meant to say Jacob. And Jacob does not count because he was deceived into having it. "Deception invalidates an action".

AI Overview
In legal, ethical, and contractual frameworks, deception inherently invalidates an act or agreement because it destroys the core requirement of genuine consent. When one party relies on a lie or a misrepresentation, their choice is no longer truly voluntary or informed.

And then Deuteronomy 17:17 shows God completely bans polygamy which by the time the Bible reaches Malachi you no longer see any Israelite with more than one wife.

So, you see, you are lying as you usual do
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by erico2k2(m): 11:31am On Oct 28
LordReed:
Several. Isaac, Moses, Isaiah, etc.

Let's be clear though, the Bible supports both monogamy and polygamy.
YOu amongst the few these pastors use to cash out, who told you MOSES had just one wife? your Pastor I guess and I also guess you was too lazy or ignorant to read your Bible yourself and get your own knowledge. Bro go and read the bible well, Moses had more than one wife.
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by Dtruthspeaker: 1:38pm On Oct 28
erico2k2:
YOu amongst the few these pastors use to cash out, who told you MOSES had just one wife? your Pastor I guess and I also guess you was too lazy or ignorant to read your Bible yourself and get your own knowledge. Bro go and read the bible well, Moses had more than one wife.
See atheist dey attack atheist grin

Anyway, Chris okotie has had 3 wives and yet no one calls him a polygamist, so try thinking well
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by LordReed(m): 2:59pm On Oct 28
erico2k2:
YOu amongst the few these pastors use to cash out, who told you MOSES had just one wife? your Pastor I guess and I also guess you was too lazy or ignorant to read your Bible yourself and get your own knowledge. Bro go and read the bible well, Moses had more than one wife.
Bro I don't believe in the Bible so try not to be condescending towards me. I am taking an objective view of the subject so I am not coloured by belief or the need to defend the text.

Yes there is disagreement about how many wives Moses had and there is no consensus on the matter.

Even if you discount Moses there are still others plus the married Apostles apparently only had one each. So the claim that monogamy is a European concept is not supported by the evidence.
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by LordReed(m): 3:02pm On Oct 28
Dtruthspeaker:
You have come with your lies again Isaiah never had 2 wives

AI Overview
The Bible does not record that the prophet Isaiah had two wives.
• Wife's Identity: Isaiah is mentioned as having one wife, whom he refers to simply as "the prophetess" in Isaiah 8:3.
• Children: Scripture records that they had at least two sons with symbolic prophetic names: Shear-Jashub and Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz (Isaiah 7:3, 8:3).

Moses never had to wives like Rasak Okoya and co

If at all, the worse is that he was married twice just like Chris oyaks and chris okotie and no one calls that polygamy.

And isaac had only one wife. And he was not a prophet.
AI Overview
According to the biblical record, Isaac had only one wife, Rebekah.

But I'm sure you meant to say Jacob. And Jacob does not count because he was deceived into having it. "Deception invalidates an action".

AI Overview
In legal, ethical, and contractual frameworks, deception inherently invalidates an act or agreement because it destroys the core requirement of genuine consent. When one party relies on a lie or a misrepresentation, their choice is no longer truly voluntary or informed.

And then Deuteronomy 17:17 shows God completely bans polygamy which by the time the Bible reaches Malachi you no longer see any Israelite with more than one wife.

So, you see, you are lying as you usual do
Is it reading comprehension or blindness that is giving you issues?
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by Dtruthspeaker: 4:18pm On Oct 28
LordReed:
Is it reading comprehension or blindness that is giving you issues?
Oh, 🫢you mean you were replying him that several prophets had one wife and you were listing that Isaac, Moses, Isaiah, etc.had one. Oh sorry. 😬
I did not expect you would ever say this. I am most most sorry for calling you a liar.😭😭😭
Please forgive me.😬
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by erico2k2(m): 7:00pm On Oct 28
LordReed:
Bro I don't believe in the Bible so try not to be condescending towards me. I am taking an objective view of the subject so I am not coloured by belief or the need to defend the text.

Yes there is disagreement about how many wives Moses had and there is no consensus on the matter.

Even if you discount Moses there are still others plus the married Apostles apparently only had one each. So the claim that monogamy is a European concept is not supported by the evidence.
it is, even people marry thier sister like Adam and EVe
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by erico2k2(m): 7:01pm On Oct 28
Dtruthspeaker:
See atheist dey attack atheist grin

Anyway, Chris okotie has had 3 wives and yet no one calls him a polygamist, so try thinking well
ahah Im a christian
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by Dtruthspeaker: 7:30pm On Oct 28
erico2k2:
ahah Im a christian
Ah! 😱😱😱
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by LordReed(m): 8:42pm On Oct 28
erico2k2:
it is, even people marry thier sister like Adam and EVe
That is not supported by the evidence. Unless you want to show me Isaiah's other wives then your point fails.
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by LordReed(m): 8:43pm On Oct 28
Dtruthspeaker:
Oh, 🫢you mean you were replying him that several prophets had one wife and you were listing that Isaac, Moses, Isaiah, etc.had one. Oh sorry. 😬
I did not expect you would ever say this. I am most most sorry for calling you a liar.😭😭😭
Please forgive me.😬
LoLz. Forgiven.
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by erico2k2(m): 8:47pm On Oct 28
LordReed:
That is not supported by the evidence. Unless you want to show me Isaiah's other wives then your point fails.
SO how did Adam and Eve bare kids?
The Bible presents Adam and Eve as the first human couple, joined by God in the Garden of Eden. Genesis 2 describes God creating Eve from Adam’s rib to be a suitable companion, emphasizing equality, unity, and partnership (Genesis 2:21-22)
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. When Adam first saw Eve, he recognized her as “bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh,” marking the beginning of their marital relationship (Genesis 2:23)
christianfaithguide.com
christianfaithguide.com
. The text refers to Eve as Adam’s wife and Adam as her husband, confirming their marital status (Genesis 2:25; 3:6)
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Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by LordReed(m): 8:50pm On Oct 28
erico2k2:
SO how did Adam and Eve bare kids?
The Bible presents Adam and Eve as the first human couple, joined by God in the Garden of Eden. Genesis 2 describes God creating Eve from Adam’s rib to be a suitable companion, emphasizing equality, unity, and partnership (Genesis 2:21-22)
BibleAsk
BibleAsk
+1
. When Adam first saw Eve, he recognized her as “bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh,” marking the beginning of their marital relationship (Genesis 2:23)
christianfaithguide.com
christianfaithguide.com
. The text refers to Eve as Adam’s wife and Adam as her husband, confirming their marital status (Genesis 2:25; 3:6)
BibleAsk
BibleAsk
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This is irrelevant to the issue. Adam had one wife or can you point out to anywhere on the Bible where it says he had more than 1.
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by erico2k2(m): 9:02pm On Oct 28
[quote author=LordReed post=141036958]This is irrelevant to the issue. Adam had one wife or can you point out to anywhere on the Bible where it says he had more than 1.[/quote
Abraham had multiple wives, including Sarah, Hagar, and later Keturah. His marriage to Hagar, Sarah’s maidservant, was to ensure an heir, resulting in Ishmael, while Isaac was born to Sarah, creating a significant familial and historical legacy (Genesis 16:3; 25:1)

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Jacob, also known as Israel, married Leah and Rachel, and had children with their maidservants, Bilhah and Zilpah, fathering the twelve tribes of Israel (Genesis 29:30; 30:1-24)
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David, the king and prophet, had multiple wives and concubines, including Michal, Abigail, and others, with his polygamy documented in 2 Samuel 3:2-5 and 5:13-16

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Solomon, David’s son, is the most famous biblical figure for polygamy, with 700 wives and 300 concubines, many of whom were foreign princesses. His extensive marriages are noted in 1 Kings 11:3 and are linked to both political alliances and spiritual challenges

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Other biblical figures with multiple wives include Esau, Elkanah (father of Samuel), Gideon, and Rehoboam, reflecting the cultural acceptance of polygamy in ancient Israel

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Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by LordReed(m): 5:37am On Oct 29
erico2k2:
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​Adam — Married to Eve (Genesis 2:22–25).
​Noah — Married to his unnamed wife, who entered the Ark with him (Genesis 7:7).
​Isaac — Married only to Rebekah (Genesis 24:67). Unlike his father Abraham or son Jacob, Isaac remained strictly monogamous throughout his life.
​Joseph — Married to Asenath, daughter of Potiphera (Genesis 41:45).
​Moses — Married to Zipporah (Exodus 2:21).
​(Note: Numbers 12:1 mentions a "Cushite woman," which biblical scholars debate as either a descriptor/epithet for Zipporah or a second wife, though Zipporah is his only explicitly named spouse).
​Boaz — Married to Ruth (Ruth 4:13).
​Job — Married to his wife who survived his trials (Job 2:9, Job 42:12–13).
​Hosea — Married to Gomer (Hosea 1:2–3).
​Isaiah — Married to "the prophetess" (Isaiah 8:3).
​Ezekiel — Married to his wife, referred to as "the desire of his eyes" (Ezekiel 24:15–18).

So we can see clearly the Bible also supports monogamy, your assertion that it is merely European innovation is defeated.
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by Dtruthspeaker: 6:49am On Oct 29
LordReed:
LoLz. Forgiven.
🙏🏾🙏🏾
Re: Cleveland Pastors Introduce Second Wife During Church Service by Babinski: 9:52am On Oct 29
autoez:
Good one Pastor. He's trutfull to himself and his God. Not all this fake pastors we have here with multiple girlfriends and baby mamas.
God is no respected of persons and the position of the Bible and Jesus Christ is clear and unambiguous on monogamy. Genesis 2:24, Matthew 19:4-6, 1 Timothy 3:2 and Titus 1:6 are clear references. It is "husband of one wife".

There are a lot of charlatans and unbelievers masquerading as Pastors these days. Israel Ford had been hiding his adulterous and sinful relationship with Shakayla for long, until he was able to gather the courage to transition from secret hypocrisy to public heresy.

The fact that some of his fellow fake Pastors have concubines and have not elevated their hypocrisy as Israel Ford has done is no excuse to launder or cast in any positive light his despicable conduct. It is even worse when he tries to condemn monogamy as not being Biblical. This shows his spiritual emptiness and desire to publicly mislead others down the path of condemnation that he and his co-travelers have chosen. It is very unfortunate that the sheep are clapping for the barely disguised wolves masquerading as shepherds.
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