I had always treated the matter of tithing very seriously. When I received my first salary I wanted to gave all I had but somehow I did not and it bothered me for a long time. Whenever things did not go well with me I thought it was because I did not give my first fruit offering. On my second month salary I was unable to pay my tithe talk much less of giving all I had for the first offering cos I was knee deep in debt. With time I started paying my tithe every now and then, sometimes I would skip a couple of months and feel really bad with myself and during the months I paid I was always expecting abundance simply because I had given my tithe.
It took me years but I now understood. I changed churches and I began to see things by myself, I realized that when God told the jews to pay 10% of their earnings to the levites it was actually meant for the levites! Not to the pastors of the new generation but to the levites of the old order. I realized that no where in the new testament was the injunction given by Jesus or any of the apostles to pay tithes and the only place apostle paul made reference to; money, giving and the church was in timothy where he told timothy to make the affluent in the church to give. My pastor aptly puts it, if your pastor could prove beyond all reasonable doubt that he is by genealogy from the tribe of levis then you could pay him 10% of your income and observe the first fruit offering.
Gods blessings are not precipitated by our actions, they are not as a result of our deeds but by his grace. He blesses who he chooses to bless. No actions of ours can move God, it is by faith and by faith alone that our supplication's after being known are answered. #mythoughts

bros....youve said it all with a phrase in your last paragraph' God blesses who He choose to bless' i receive Gods favour everyday but ive vowed never to give my tithe to any pastor again...instead i use it to assist people that are less fortunate than i am

Slowly but surely more and more brethen are coming to the knowledge of truth and being released from the shackles of tithes placed on them by mere men, to God be the glory.

Bro,I deeply appreciate your layout and maturity in post and your willingness to learn. I PERSONALLY believe in tithing. I know I'm not a bible expositor or anything amd I'm really not interested in sparking off an argument about LAW and GRACE here but here's a fact...Abraham tithed so tithing existed before the Law(Moses) and Malachi 3:8 gives us a clear view. If we tithe,nothing done with it is your business. Just do your part and God will do His part so never go around with a biased mind thinking 'these pastors are getting rich on MY tithe'. If they are,well,God will surely judge Exo 14:14. But I would strongly advice that if you don't believe in tithe,then at least,don't go insulting the people that believe in it and don't spark off any unwise convo. I pray God will enlighten us all. His Grace be with you. Shalom

The scriptures about tithing are clear, I have contributed on it severally on NL. My advice is that you list out all verses about tithe in both OT and NT and meditate on them. Do not dwell on either alone.


Before you conclude on your findings, if you have been paying tithe, continue to pay it.
It is safer.

MightySparrow: The scriptures about tithing are clear, I have contributed on it severally on NL. My advice is that you list out all verses about tithe in both OT and NT and meditate on them. Do not dwell on either alone.


Before you conclude on your findings, if you have been paying tithe, continue to pay it.
It is safer.

If you have really done what you advised above, then you would realise that it is impossible for any one to pay biblical tithe today without twisting scripture and you would also realise that tithing is not required of Christians.

I know it appears like am spamming but I have to mention this; tithing was 'rediscovered' a good 400 years AFTER Pentecost

OT tithing was primarily for the poor and the Levites/Priests. Paul had EVERY opportunity to invoke tithing verses to collect offering for the poor saints in Jerusalem or to support his ministry. He never did. Instead, he resorted to an almost obscure verse about the ox

While tithing is not necessarily sin, there is a guilt trip used by evangelicals in demanding it. It is not out of altruistic reasons that they wrest with verses. It is because they stand to gain by taking you back to the Law. Paul was so passionate about charity. I wonder why we are not exhorted to charity as vehemently as we are to tithing to pastors...but of course charity benefits not the preacher nor the giver but the needy

I recommend this;
http://www.biblicalfoundations.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/32-Tithing1.pdf

I recommend a book by David Lee Richardson titled: 'Sunday Morning Stick Up: What your Pastor doesn't want you to know about tithes'.

Read with open mind with a bible as reference.

taiwoawoniyi: Bro,I deeply appreciate your layout and maturity in post and your willingness to learn. I PERSONALLY believe in tithing. I know I'm not a bible expositor or anything amd I'm really not interested in sparking off an argument about LAW and GRACE here but here's a fact...Abraham tithed so tithing existed before the Law(Moses) and Malachi 3:8 gives us a clear view. If we tithe,nothing done with it is your business. Just do your part and God will do His part so never go around with a biased mind thinking 'these pastors are getting rich on MY tithe'. If they are,well,God will surely judge Exo 14:14. But I would strongly advice that if you don't believe in tithe,then at least,don't go insulting the people that believe in it and don't spark off any unwise convo. I pray God will enlighten us all. His Grace be with you. Shalom

wise words

oncheckent: I had always treated the matter of tithing very seriously. When I received my first salary I wanted to gave all I had but somehow I did not and it bothered me for a long time. Whenever things did not go well with me I thought it was because I did not give my first fruit offering. On my second month salary I was unable to pay my tithe talk much less of giving all I had for the first offering cos I was knee deep in debt. With time I started paying my tithe every now and then, sometimes I would skip a couple of months and feel really bad with myself and during the months I paid I was always expecting abundance simply because I had given my tithe.
It took me years but I now understood. I changed churches and I began to see things by myself, I realized that when God told the jews to pay 10% of their earnings to the levites it was actually meant for the levites! Not to the pastors of the new generation but to the levites of the old order. I realized that no where in the new testament was the injunction given by Jesus or any of the apostles to pay tithes and the only place apostle paul made reference to; money, giving and the church was in timothy where he told timothy to make the affluent in the church to give. My pastor aptly puts it, if your pastor could prove beyond all reasonable doubt that he is by genealogy from the tribe of levis then you could pay him 10% of your income and observe the first fruit offering.
Gods blessings are not precipitated by our actions, they are not as a result of our deeds but by his grace. He blesses who he chooses to bless. No actions of ours can move God, it is by faith and by faith alone that our supplication's after being known are answered. #mythoughts

May God bless you for this post.

No one is obligated to tithe today. Period.

Tithing was an old testament ordinance that has no relevance today.

Those who harp on Abraham tithing forget that Abraham also circumcized his sons, ordinances that are not binding on Christians today.

Tithing is a means of making easy money in church. It is the root of the worship of mammon in churches instead of God.

Not one Christian is recorded as tithing in the NT.

Hebrew 7 was not an injunction to tithe but a discussion on the greatness of the Priesthood of Christ. That chapter reveals three things that made Jesus greater than Aaron.

1. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek. But Aaron, collected tithes, as son of Abraham. If Jesus is likened to Melchizedek, Jesus must then be greater than him that in a sense tithed to a kind of his priesthood.

2. Melchizedek blessed him. The greater blesses the lesser. Jesus a kind of Melchizedek was greater than Aaron.

3. Christ has the immortal nature of Melchizedek priesthood. Aaron priesthood was bugged down by death.

So Jesus is greater than Aaron. So follow the Jesus covenant, and leave the Aaronic priesthood of Moses laws that includes tithing.

God requires we give freely and not out of compulsion like tithing.

Tithing is modern day 419. Pastors should find a job and stop scamming people.

I trust that more people like the OP emerge from our churches so these churches can close shop.

Shalom.

Bidam: wise words

Never ever learning since 1050 AD. Smh.

Boomark:

Never ever learning since 1050 AD. Smh.

a JW fellow who doesn't accept the deity of Christ...Who is the guy never ever learning here? I believe folks that liked your posts don't even know the meaning of 'ever learning'. Religious folks like you would rather believe what watch tower tells them rather than what scripture is saying. Posterity is your judge not me.

Bidam: a JW fellow who doesn't accept the deity of Christ...Who is the guy never ever learning here? I believe folks that liked your posts don't even know the meaning of 'ever learning'. Religious folks like you would rather believe what watch tower tells them rather than what scripture is saying. Posterity is your judge not me.

Never ever wanting to accept that am not a JW. I know you will still call me that again sometime in the future to attract sympathizers. Why do you like the truth to always elude you? Like you have been programmed to run away and start afresh when your getting close to grabbing a single truth.

A religious fellow who could not tell me why Christ (deity) has a God (the Father), Rev 3:12, the same way we do, Jn 20:17.

Thinking faculty must have disappeared by now, brace yourself.

taiwoawoniyi: Bro,I deeply appreciate your layout and maturity in post and your willingness to learn. I PERSONALLY believe in tithing. I know I'm not a bible expositor or anything amd I'm really not interested in sparking off an argument about LAW and GRACE here but here's a fact...Abraham tithed so tithing existed before the Law(Moses) and Malachi 3:8 gives us a clear view. If we tithe,nothing done with it is your business. Just do your part and God will do His part so never go around with a biased mind thinking 'these pastors are getting rich on MY tithe'. If they are,well,God will surely judge Exo 14:14. But I would strongly advice that if you don't believe in tithe,then at least,don't go insulting the people that believe in it and don't spark off any unwise convo. I pray God will enlighten us all. His Grace be with you. Shalom

Spot on brother. For those who tithe, I urge you to follow the pattern in Genesis 14, that is, take communion the way Abram and the King of Salem did, and SAY the words that were exchanged between the two. Remember that Jesus also observed communion, so it is obvious that some of these seemingly ordinary acts have deep significance. Obviously, you should never give because you feel condemned or because you are pressured to by anyone. If you must tithe, take the time to do a personal study and convince yourself of what you are doing. And MAKE SURE to prove God in it, don't just tithe, then forget about it.

This will help. Malachi 3 8-11. paying tithe pays. Don"t know why when it comes to giving GOD christian drags feet and try to twist bible
logically. Bible is the word of GOD. In as much as GOD changeth not so is His words, so what is the ripples with old testament and new testament!!..both are God"s words and should be obeyed.

seeprob: This will help. Malachi 3 8-11. paying tithe pays. Don"t know why when it comes to giving GOD christian drags feet and try to twist bible
logically. Bible is the word of GOD. In as much as GOD changeth not so is His words, so what is the ripples with old testament and new testament!!..both are God"s words and should be obeyed.

It is actually tithe preachers that twist the word of God. The malachi verse you just qouted is not addressed to christians (christians are not under the law) and the tithes spoken of there is not money from income but agric produce. You would have to do a lot of twisting to arrive on the type of tithes preached today based on that scripture.

By one offering, he has perfected forever them that are sanctified Heb 10:14

Bidam: wise words

you never repent? Smh

christemmbassey: you never repent? Smh

Repent from what exactly

Bidam: Repent from what exactly

From your evil, lying and manipulative ways

PastorKun:

From your evil, lying and manipulative ways

May God have mercy on your soul.

Bidam: May God have mercy on your soul.

Amen.

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