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Sanchez01: I understand for Nigeria but at least, show an ounce of respect by getting latest pictures of Nigeria, particularly Lagos. Your pictures are taken in Lagos but that was a long time ago. Rather than see 'molues' you'd likely end up seeing BRT buses; though are still few but 'Behind' and decent molue buses now.

Things are changing and so are times.

Which long time ago, lets say the truth people. Those pictures represent the today pix of Lagos. The only difference is that molue buses is now reduced in number.I understand thst once their papers expired, they won't be renewed. That is the strategy BRF used to phase them out. Leave that thing,even Abj and Ph, is full if traffic now, unlike in the 90s.

Nigeria is blessed both with human and material resources but what do we have a set of human who are hell bent in making nigeria difficult for themselves,our leaders are worst imagine a leader senate president whose annual income sum up to 600million yearly exclude all the money for travelling and insentives,our leaders are barbaric wicked and pathetic i dont see this country getting better with this set of clueless leaders,if u have ur way get out of the country if u have enough money u can come back and contribute ur quota to the development of the nation my take

You guys never tired of this thread

cronsberg post=/post/26756334:
Look at the utter failure called nigeria. This is how 90% of our markets, streets e.t.c are like. If you think i will stay here and die of high blood pressure then you are wrong. And to the original Op, yes i think its worth selling every goddam property you got to escape this crap. I no even fit shout joor. I have headaches literarily every week from thinking about the hopelessness of Nigeria. I mean look at the filthyness, unconduciveness, unhygenic nature of everything. mtsheeewww

and yet with this filthyness, unconduciveness and unhygeinic nature of everything, u have lived long enough to foward this stupid post of urs into dis thread mtcheeeeeew! back at you.

According to her sources close to the deceased, the actress Kemi was in and out of labour for several days in a private hospital and when she couldn't give birth the natural way, doctors suggested a C&S, which would cost N450,000 and demanded an initial deposit of N300k before they could proceed.

One of Kemi's friends explained how her husband was unable to raise the money and begged the hospital to proceed with a promise to pay the following day (October 1) but the doctors refused and she gave up the ghost that night..

"Kemi's husband said he would pay the money the next day but the doctor refused and stated categorically that he would not move an inch else he pays 300,000. It was at that point Kemi decided to forward messages to people she knows so she could get help. She got responses that money would be made available to her the next day. On hearing that the husband went to beg the doctors again, still they refused. No bank was opened and nothing could be done until Thursday October 2nd but unfortunately she gave up the ghost that night. My point is, the doctors knew she had to go through emergency C&S. they could have saved her life and get the money later. Nigeria is a very bad country I must confess," her friend said.

And this is the system....life is meaningless.

Police report before a rape victim gets a PEP?
Police report before an accident victim gets treatment?
70% deposit before an emergency surgical procedure?

Well, I hope you carry those millions you made in Nigeria in your car all the time.

With millions in your account, if you cannot access it at the right time, you will die a horrible death.

So, it is not about money. Nigeria is a f@cked up system. KEMI died a "painful" death.



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InvertedHammer: And this is the system....life is meaningless.

Police report before a rape victim gets a PEP?
Police report before an accident victim gets treatment?
70% deposit before an emergency surgical procedure?

Well, I hope you carry those millions you made in Nigeria in your car all the time.

With millions in your account, if you cannot access it at the right time, you will die a horrible death.

So, it is not about money. Nigeria is a f@cked up system. KEMI died a "painful" death.



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The doctor is a Nigerian like you ... this has been my point ... it dont matter where you are , an average black man is wicked ,full of greed and envious ... its about time the orientation changes ... you may need something very important where you are and your fellow Nigerian over there would deny you.

majekdom2: The doctor is a Nigerian like you ... this has been my point ... it dont matter where you are , an average black man is wicked ,full of greed and envious ... its about time the orientation changes ... you may need something very important where you are and your fellow Nigerian over there would deny you.

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You are very correct.

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majekdom2: mtcheew... they keep saying no fraud, nothing, they are transparent bla bla. yes, what these countries do is they make the average or lower nigerian feel he is getting the best overseas and that his government cant do better...give them some jobs they cannot give to their children & family & then they conive with top government & private employees 2 commit fraud....the next is, it is d government is corrupt bla bla. they should research on 1 gabonese president that even had a say in d french government, simply because d IOC & him were busy looting & sending this money 2 france. if u know how much majority of these companies remit abroad... whn contracts are awarded they go do major designs & construction in their countries claiming there is no enabling environment.....what d government is forcing them 2 do is creating d enabling environment now....& are they not doing it? They should read on d litigation between ladol & samsung heavy industries & how many jobs that will create .majority of d IOCs dont want d PIB passed because they know it may never favor them .... someone said brazil, indonesia , singapore .... they should check d kind of laws those companies have on foreign companies operating in their country & compare it 2 d freedom the ones in Nigeria have... one dude said, d expats take d juicy job, he didnt think a nigerian ought 2 have been trained long ago 2 take juicy job that may arise in future if they actually want the best 4 u....... they know the logic of development ... "you dont develop an institution, u develop people & then people develop d insititution" ....that people development is what they shy away from . they know a Nigerian may have access 2 information which they dont want him 2 ....I doubt if a nigerian who works his way 2 a director level in any of these companies would be allowed 2 some information about d company....& yet we are here talking down d country instead trying 2 contribute in d simplest way......they should do a researche on how many foreign companies came in2 nigeria between 1980 & 2006..... I really dont blame some folks .. D only thing they were taught is how to go 2 an embassy , apply for visa & start living on state benefits.

even with all you have said above, it still won't sink into some skulls much less brains that corrupt though we are, we are not the sole architets of this corruption, neither are our corrupt politicians the sole beneficiaries because the corruption is a cycle that even or should i say especially the western goverments benefit from by proxy only they will never admit it publicly, they will rather blow hot air through the media & psuedo-occidento-govermental NGO's about corruption indices, bla bla bla which though true, are misleading since they don't tell the full story.
& yet, some Nigerian dudes go over there, accept anything offered & when asked about Nigeria, trashtalk Nigeria to the west & their media almost kinda insinuating that Nigeria was a type of hellfire, but they will rather lease it out & live in the real hell. Seriously they potray Nigeria to be that bad. I have had arguments with many westerners & asians who have never been to Nigeria before who when i say am Nigerian, suddenly beleive i am hungry,malnourished,diseased with a swollen belly & swathing flies constantly & wonder how i got internet connection & are totally convinced that that is the true scenario on ground in Nigeria & would accept no argument that contradicts their opinions of us & many Nigerians at home and especially abroad do everything short of being hungry,malnourished,diseased with bloated bellies & swathing flies to re-enforce this erroneous beleif about Nigeria. Many of these Nigerians are not aware &\or if aware, dont really care that whatever benefits they are getting there are directly or inderectly accrued from their own nation amongst others by these western goverments by proxy & yet these westerners project a benefactor psyche from themselves onto these Nigerians who then feel very gratefull for every scrap they can gather, like SERIOUSLY! are you kidding me? Am not condeming those who go abroad to better themselves and i must stress "THEMSELVES" because when i go out, i will be doing it for myself and by extension, my family, but i won't go there & thrashtalk my country knowing fully well that i have neither done nor sacrificed anything for her to earn the right to complain in the first place. Afterall, the education i have gotten in Nigeria, while not of Havard, MIT, Yale, Princeton, Oxford & Cambridge standards, it is to many intents & purposes free as i know i wouldn't have been able to afford it in those western countries & the prerogative to build on this foundation is solely mine & not the goverment's.
Everyone who has ever lived in Nigeria should objectively & sincerely reflect on themselves & tell us if throughout their existence,the goverment has done absolutely nothing for them & anyone they know.

jennykadry: Shut up, where did you read my mum only? I said my parents. Keep contradicting yourself. Yes talk about the young boys who carry guns daily in Nigeria to survive. That is what that useless country that has long been forsaken and should be sold out to other african countries, has turned young boys into....criminals and armed robbers.

My parents are adults with options and when BH strikes they must leave for their adopted countries unlike you a mere child with no option but to stay and await the day BH get to your door mouth.

and let me guess. . . . . .there are no young boys and girls carrying guns around the streets of new york, new jersey, chicago, atlanta, los angeles and even london to survive right?
Pls say something else, this fib of yours wouldn't withstand closer scrutiny.

majekdom2: The doctor is a Nigerian like you ... this has been my point ... it dont matter where you are , an average black man is wicked ,full of greed and envious ... its about time the orientation changes ... you may need something very important where you are and your fellow Nigerian over there would deny you.

Over here would deny him ? We're talking about a life and death situation. This isn't about borrowing milk from your neighbor. A relative of mine also recently died in the same manner. The reason nigerians abroad "look down" on nigerians in Nigeria is because most are idiots who know nothing about building a civilized society. When you try to educate them they dismiss you. We'll ladies and gentlemen this is why you pay a lot of taxes. Those mocking those who live abroad "paying all those taxes" this is exactly why you must do it here. So when you need emergency medical care you get it period regardless of your income.

As for those who claim people abroad get treated like 2nd class citizens. Is this how a 1st class citizens are treated there? Dying in a hospital because of no money ? I've heard of dogs in distress getting emergency medical care. Keep your 1st class treated I'd rather get treated as a 2nd class citizen in another man's country. I still get better treatment than a 1st class naija citizen.

InvertedHammer: And this is the system....life is meaningless.

Police report before a rape victim gets a PEP?
Police report before an accident victim gets treatment?
70% deposit before an emergency surgical procedure?

Well, I hope you carry those millions you made in Nigeria in your car all the time.

With millions in your account, if you cannot access it at the right time, you will die a horrible death.

So, it is not about money. Nigeria is a f@cked up system. KEMI died a "painful" death.



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and correct me if am wrong, before obamacare, and even after obamacare, every life saving medical proceedure is available to every american right? especially those without insurance right?

While not making excuses for the imperfect system that led to the death of kemi and her baby though i know she would have been attended to without money at a goverment hospital but not released until payment is complete, bottom line is, no system and goverment is perfect

Sanchez01: Somewhere in June, I declined a United Nations' offer of working as a Journalist/photographer abroad and I became a 'fool' in the eyes of people for not grabbing the opportunity. I have never considered travelling abroad though, and settling there for me is a big NO NO. Okay, maybe I could for my honeymoon, should I get married, that is.

But on a more serious note, I have never fancied travelling abroad, largely because of the way most Nigerians idolize 'porting' to some so-called greener pastures when most of them have little or no sound educational background. I became the topic among some of my friends simply because I turned down a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Call me a bushman with a weird ideology. I believe whoever is capable of making it in Nigeria can do so anywhere in the world. Moreso, I believe I have a fair share to contribute to the growth of Nigeria rather than invest my energy in some other countries.

Few days ago, while I went for a haircut at a salon, my baby sister called to tell me of one of her friends who had sold all his properties to travel abroad, all in a bid to make it big. According to my baby sis, he had planned on going to Spain but failed after the boat he boarded capsized somewhere in Algeria or Morocco.

This was a young man who was good at what he does. I felt bitter at the salon and somehow I kept muttering to myself how a promising young guy as myself would choose to end his own life all in the name of travelling abroad.

Somehow, my words became the basis of a debate between myself and some guys at the salon. Unfortunately, I stood no chance as the odds was six guys to one.

The six who debated with me had one thing in common; they would sacrifice just anything to travel out of the country, even when it is certain that what would greet them over there remains unknown.

They complained of how backward Nigeria is and how other countries are doing fine, even South Africa!

One of them said, he knows he would end up taking care of the old folks and cleaning their poos wouldn't be a bother to him.

It was obvious I lost the debate in the midst of youths who think of nothing but living on the streets of Harlem and London with little or no plans.

Please understand that I'm not saying travelling abroad is bad. But must it be the last resort simply because you are hungry or jobless? Must it be the only idea in one's head when you are hardly educated

I could remember asking one of the guys at the salon a particular question; 'you claim the country is bad, if we all run abroad, who will fix Nigeria for us?' His response was quite shocking and unbelievable; 'see, Mr Nigeria, I don't care. My own be say make I just comot, no look back again. To sleep gutter for yankee better pass our own gutter.' I didn't find it funny at all. I thought about his statement after leaving the salon and it was obvious that most Nigerian youths would gladly jump at the thought of travelling abroad when they have no skills or talents to sustain themselves.

If we all think of leaving the remains of Nigeria behind just because she is bad, question is; who will repair what is left of her

Most countries all over the world will have Nigerians to thank for their growth and economy. Yet, ours still stay the way it is. It is high time we understood that life itself is not a unicorn on a rainbow. If you cannot make it in Nigeria, you may never make it elsewhere in the world.

Just staying in Nigeria and sucking her resources without any contribution doesn't mean that you're a good Nigerian.

What have you done for Nigeria lately?

Though it's your personal opinion, I disagree but I salute those that travel because traveling is part of education.

Where would the world be if Neal Armstrong, Mungo Park, Columbus, etc did not venture to travel.

You're not a bushman at all (even bush men travel for hunting), you're just a close minded person.

BraniacX: and yet with this filthyness, unconduciveness and unhygeinic nature of everything, u have lived long enough to foward this stupid post of urs into dis thread mtcheeeeeew! back at you.

Yes i have lived a long enough live of misery, suffering, failed dreams, unfulfiled promises, and disapointments in Nigeria. If i was a citezen of a sane country, my dreams would certainly have been realized, my ambitions will be given support by the government, my skills would have given me a job without having any connections, my life would have been a happy one as every social amenity will be available, i would not have developed a mild depression as the environment will be conducive, i would not have developed heat rashes and occational malaria because of excesive heat combined with lack of electricity . Mr man, go n die joor

BraniacX: and correct me if am wrong, before obamacare, and even after obamacare, every life saving medical proceedure is available to every american right? especially those without insurance right?

While not making excuses for the imperfect system that led to the death of kemi and her baby though i know she would have been attended to without money at a goverment hospital but not released until payment is complete, bottom line is, no system and goverment is perfect

She would have been released. The real bottom line is she would have probably been alive today.

BraniacX: and correct me if am wrong, before obamacare, and even after obamacare, every life saving medical proceedure is available to every american right? especially those without insurance right?

While not making excuses for the imperfect system that led to the death of kemi and her baby though i know she would have been attended to without money at a goverment hospital but not released until payment is complete, bottom line is, no system and goverment is perfect

Yes it is available to every American.

There may be a waiting period for none life threatening stuff.

You should never compare healthcare system in Nigerian and the US on the same sentence. Ever.

cronsberg: Yes i have lived a long enough live of misery, suffering, failed dreams, unfulfiled promises, and disapointments in Nigeria. If i was a citezen of a sane country, my dreams would certainly have been realized, my ambitions will be given support by the government, my skills would have given me a job without having any connections, my life would have been a happy one as every social amenity will be available, i would not have developed a mild depression as the environment will be conducive, i would not have developed heat rashes and occational malaria because of excesive heat combined with lack of electricity . Mr man, go n die joor

One of the best stories I have ever heard is of a Nairalander that contacted me offline.

He won the visa lottery, "ported" to the US, joined the military, got his citizenship, and now stationed in Spain.

maternal: Over here would deny him ? We're talking about a life and death situation. This isn't about borrowing milk from your neighbor. A relative of mine also recently died in the same manner. The reason nigerians abroad "look down" on nigerians in Nigeria is because most are idiots who know nothing about building a civilized society. When you try to educate them they dismiss you. We'll ladies and gentlemen this is why you pay a lot of taxes. Those mocking those who live abroad "paying all those taxes" this is exactly why you must do it here. So when you need emergency medical care you get it period regardless of your income.

As for those who claim people abroad get treated like 2nd class citizens. Is this how a 1st class citizens are treated there? Dying in a hospital because of no money ? I've heard of dogs in distress getting emergency medical care. Keep your 1st class treated I'd rather get treated as a 2nd class citizen in another man's country. I still get better treatment than a 1st class naija citizen.

And you don't get treated like a 2nd class citizen here. In the US anyways.

I think the issue is that our people, once they arrive here, do not aspire anymore. Some that do and I know of prefer to leave in the ghettos and bad seedy areas so they can save money and build a mansion back in there village.

Well if you leave in Compton expect to be treated differently than if you leave in Pacific Palisades.

maternal: Over here would deny him ? We're talking about a life and death situation. This isn't about borrowing milk from your neighbor. A relative of mine also recently died in the same manner. The reason nigerians abroad "look down" on nigerians in Nigeria is because most are idiots who know nothing about building a civilized society. When you try to educate them they dismiss you. We'll ladies and gentlemen this is why you pay a lot of taxes. Those mocking those who live abroad "paying all those taxes" this is exactly why you must do it here. So when you need emergency medical care you get it period regardless of your income.

As for those who claim people abroad get treated like 2nd class citizens. Is this how a 1st class citizens are treated there? Dying in a hospital because of no money ? I've heard of dogs in distress getting emergency medical care. Keep your 1st class treated I'd rather get treated as a 2nd class citizen in another man's country. I still get better treatment than a 1st class naija citizen.

No one is saying you are not getting a first class treatment ... at some point you may need the assistance of your fellow Nigerian and he would deny you that assistance , it may not be a life threatening situation and thats my point . you dont have to look down on anyone if you still do that then you actually have got no good to offer .... building a society is in stages , the taxes you pay is one of the steps. The first and major step which continues in every stage is "loving your next neigbour" and this is where we need to get it right. you dont need to prove to anyone you are getting a first class treatment , do you part in making the country a better place , not just giving advices as you said ,or ideas .... do you part in seeing these advices through fruition.

CityNG: And you don't get treated like a 2nd class citizen here. In the US anyways.

I think the issue is that our people, once they arrive here, do not aspire anymore. Some that do and I know of prefer to leave in the ghettos and bad seedy areas so they can save money and build a mansion back in there village.

Well if you leave in Compton expect to be treated differently than if you leave in Pacific Palisades.

I understand the feel really .... some really are in a tough situation , they wish Nigeria could be better and offer the kind of treatment they get overseas easily , at the same time ,they dont wish to be there because they know they have got no say over there really. thats why they tend to get mad when they hear peeps talk about being a second citizen

majekdom2: No one is saying you are not getting a first class treatment ... at some point you may need the assistance of your fellow Nigerian and he would deny you that assistance , it may not be a life threatening situation and thats my point . you dont have to look down on anyone if you still do that then you actually have got no good to offer .... building a society is in stages , the taxes you pay is one of the steps. The first and major step which continues in every stage is "loving your next neigbour" and this is where we need to get it right. you dont need to prove to anyone you are getting a first class treatment , do you part in making the country a better place , not just giving advices as you said ,or ideas .... do you part in seeing these advices through fruition.

What if one does their part but the individuals and structure is not compatible to manufacture change ?

majekdom2: I understand the feel really .... some really are in a tough situation , they wish Nigeria could be better and offer the kind of treatment they get overseas easily , at the same time ,they dont wish to be there because they know they have got no say over there really. thats why they tend to get mad when they hear peeps talk about being a second citizen

No say

maternal: What if one does their part but the individuals and structure is not compatible to manufacture change ?

bro , you know one good thing I have learnt being in the engineering sector is there is nothing like " No enabling environment" . you can create that enabling environment regardless the situation..... someone would always carry on from where you stopped such was the cas of martin luther king .... are the blacks not there today ?it may take time but it will definitely come through fruition as long as the determination is there.

maternal: No say

you just can't wake up one morning and say , you want to run for the position of a senator or president.

cronsberg: Yes i have lived a long enough live of misery, suffering, failed dreams, unfulfiled promises, and disapointments in Nigeria. If i was a citezen of a sane country, my dreams would certainly have been realized, my ambitions will be given support by the government, my skills would have given me a job without having any connections, my life would have been a happy one as every social amenity will be available, i would not have developed a mild depression as the environment will be conducive, i would not have developed heat rashes and occational malaria because of excesive heat combined with lack of electricity . Mr man, go n die joor

dont blame it solely on the government .... blame it on the people you surrounded yourself with .... your friends and families ..... if you wanna blame.... and you know why you cant blame them ? .... cos they also blame the government. did you see what that man who lost his only son in the last shool shooting in america did.. you can do the same . the same insane name you called your government was same he called his.

BraniacX: and correct me if am wrong, before obamacare, and even after obamacare, every life saving medical proceedure is available to every american right? especially those without insurance right?

While not making excuses for the imperfect system that led to the death of kemi and her baby though i know she would have been attended to without money at a goverment hospital but not released until payment is complete, bottom line is, no system and goverment is perfect

My guy come to uk medical is free as in FREE including food

cronsberg: Yes i have lived a long enough live of misery, suffering, failed dreams, unfulfiled promises, and disapointments in Nigeria. If i was a citezen of a sane country, my dreams would certainly have been realized, my ambitions will be given support by the government, my skills would have given me a job without having any connections, my life would have been a happy one as every social amenity will be available, i would not have developed a mild depression as the environment will be conducive, i would not have developed heat rashes and occational malaria because of excesive heat combined with lack of electricity . Mr man, go n die joor

abroad must be utopia then, wow! No wonder they don't get depressed and commit sucides, no wonder they don't get depressed and go on sucidal shooting sprees, wow! What a perfect society.
Also my point is, Nigeria is so bad that you should have died from the malaria,heat rashes and depression but here u are, still alive perharps i have been misinformed, malaria does actually kill in other african countries so your survival must be a miracle afterall it has nothing to do with the fact that you're actually in Nigeria right? Perharps it didn't occur to you that those anti-malaria drugs and treated nets readily available to you here are in short supply elsewhere and this availability has nothing to do with your goverment.
Perhaps you should go to america and probably(a very very low probability) contact nile fever and this is the interesting fact, it is spread by mosquitoes, kills faster than malaria and has an almost equal mortality rate to malaria or you should go to australia and contact a strange and rare disease from a strange and rare vector you probably never knew existed. Bottom line, diseases and risks and depression exists everywhere.
Also u or somebody posted pictures purpotedly depicting the terrible existence we endure in Nigeria, an asian, western or even south african investor would look at those pictures and see investment opportuinities in the transport, food proccesing sectors e.t.c but u look at it and see only a dysfunctional goverment and that says a lot about your mentality and psyche. You want the goverment to point out the opportuinity to you, invest it's money as capital in your name and manage the enterprise to yield profit for you.
U go old!
News flash! The goverment is not your nursemaid and you are not an infant.

DobraDobra: My guy come to uk medical is free as in FREE including food

i know but the really really expensive proceedures say £200,00 and above are not covered for by the NHS because the goverment spending that amount on one individual automatically and drastically reduces the amount available to spend on other individuals so brits who can afford it, go to france and germany for proceedures the NHS can't cover, others to india. My point is, free healthcare has a monetary cap and you'll be deluding yourself if you think otherwise so i insist, no goverment has all the answers and solutions and no goverment can shoulder all the responsibility

BraniacX: and correct me if am wrong, before obamacare, and even after obamacare, every life saving medical proceedure is available to every american right? especially those without insurance right?

While not making excuses for the imperfect system that led to the death of kemi and her baby though i know she would have been attended to without money at a goverment hospital but not released until payment is complete, bottom line is, no system and goverment is perfect

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No hospital Emergency room will deny you treatment with or without insurance.

They will stabilize you, transfer you to a county hospital if it is not emergency.

If emergency, the hospital will treat and bill you later.

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CityNG: Yes it is available to every American.

There may be a waiting period for none life threatening stuff.

You should never compare healthcare system in Nigerian and the US on the same sentence. Ever.

what about diseases that affect your quality of life maybe say spinal injuries e.t.c, before obamacare the treatment available wasn't equal for all americans and even after obamacare, it still isn't equal. Get your facts right. Healthcare in america is basically catered for by health insurance which interpretes into the more you earn, the more insurance you pay the greater your health cover meaning poor americans who earned little and were on goverment aid, had very little cover and many of them resorted to miracle cures and untested drugs and treatment proceedures on the internet (don't be suprised, that is well documented) what obamacare does simply is provide the basic insurance cover for many poor americans, now this is better than what was previously obtained but it still doesn't cover everything for them.
I am not comparing american healthcare to Nigerian healthcare but truth be told american healthcare is only american healthcare in name unless you are rich enough to be able to afford every thing it has to offer but if you are poor, it is still better than the Nigerian health system, just not by that much anymore.

maternal: She would have been released. The real bottom line is she would have probably been alive today.

thanks, i stand corrected then