dumodust:

are u on drugs? seriously try for once to be coherent... mr english corrector, who doesnt know its self esteem all except u... an old man failure in his 3rd university after his olodo head couldnt pass and get admission to read medicine and what's the meaning of the bolded above, re-read your write up and see how your sentences have no thought stream and i ask frankly, are u high on marijuana? ... 40 yr old in 300level talking as if he has a degree

d fact dat one have attended 3 tert. Doesn't mean he isn't intelligent. Pls, I wil appreciate if u wil b reasonable to that.

To professors and other eminent pharmacists who have spent a life time building pharmacy into a reputable profession in Nigeria but yet keep mute as charlatans appropriate pharmacy to meet selfish end, I say shame on you all. You have all been accused and you stand guilty until you come out individually to condemn this act by a few to politicize pharmacy.

Those at the fore front are mostly ignorant students (who are actually victims) and ambitious B pharms a few years old in the profession who want to do 'one year conversion' in order to be called 'dr'. It clearly shows that anything goes in Nigeria Pharmacy. How can you then be respected as a professor of a discipline where just about anything goes? How do you hold up your head in the comity of scholars and professors? I know of a prof from that same school (probably retired now) who will bring down characters like this evanscheck with a shot gun.

Samgreguc:
d fact dat one have attended 3 tert. Doesn't mean he isn't intelligent. Pls, I wil appreciate if u wil b reasonable to that.

We understand that. But this one is a foool. And unless he comes out to apologize properly, an unmitigated foool he will remain.

I heard siren from Yabaleft, Aro and Uselu Central'S ambulances. Guess dey are after one person nd dat personae is just right up dia. Gud luck in submittin ursef to treatment cos throwin tantrums here won't redeem u.

Why is this 'Dr' tittle thingy a problem? I do not see any.

COMM 101 taught us how tittle for medical doctors changed through history. From Magisters (Latin name for medics) to Masters in the Arab world to other names. Medics were first called Doctors at Salerno, albeit the most unambiguous name for a medical doctor is Physician -- this stands till date!

If this is so, let Pharmacists be called whatever they want to be called, the fact is; they can never, would never encroach Doctors' field. Both parties know this. Pharmacists do not even have the basic Anatomy training to do so.

That said, if DVMs, MDs who have the name 'Doctors' stamped on their certificates do not 'beef' an MBBS whose certificate does not have the official tittle 'Dr', what then do we have against them - the Pharmacists - now that they want to upgrade? Everybody knows MBBS/MD would remain the boss in the medical world - forever! why then the apprehension. This argument is needless in my opinion. Sigh!

s!s! afrika:
I heard siren from Yabaleft, Aro and Uselu Central'S ambulances. Guess dey are after one person nd dat personae is just right up dia. Gud luck in submittin ursef to treatment cos throwin tantrums here won't redeem u.

You see? And this one want to be a PharmD too? The only siren you hear is the one coming out of your ars.e which I will respectfully ask you to remove from here.

Ndababa: Why is this 'Dr' tittle thingy a problem? I do not see any.

COMM 101 taught us how tittle for medical doctors changed through history. From Magisters (Latin name for medics) to Masters in the Arab world to other names. Medics were first called Doctors at Salerno, albeit the most unambiguous name for a medical doctor is Physician -- this stands till date!

If this is so, let Pharmacists be called whatever they want to be called, the fact is; they can never, would never encroach Doctors' field. Both parties know this. Pharmacists do not even have the basic Anatomy training to do so.

That said, if DVMs, MDs who have the name 'Doctors' stamped on their certificates do not 'beef' an MBBS whose certificate does not have the official tittle 'Dr', what then do we have against them - the Pharmacists - now that they want to upgrade? Everybody knows MBBS/MD would remain the boss in the medical world - forever! why then the apprehension. This argument is needless in my opinion. Sigh!

u love trash like dis? Never knew. Bla bla bla, were u not tot in Secondary schl how to make coherent and dis ambiguous write ups? So shitty a piece. Next!!!!

s!s! afrika:
u love trash like dis? Never knew. Bla bla bla, were u not tot in Secondary schl how to make coherent and dis ambiguous write ups? So shitty a piece. Next!!!!

Lol! I'm not for or against the argument, dear. Rather I was just highlighting some salient - call it trivial - points in response to some random opinions I saw on the thread - hence the incoherence you noticed.


When people don't share same idea with you, I'm taught not to dismiss or ridicule them -- a thing you need to learn.

oh, I forgot this is an anonymous forum, anything goes. Hobos n tramps have voice too.

Next time, air your views without casting aspersions. 2 fingers!

Yawns

dumodust:
hahahaha...graduator and heartbeater my foot, bragging on nl but stiffs in real life...all these new kids on nairaland that feel shouting is equivalent to proving. kid you are... if not, talk your age, check your post i commented on... u were talking 'kwa kwa kwa, drivel, drivel'...trash talk all from your mouth. guy, i graduated eons ago, i dont brag with who i am... simple ... so hurry up and better come and lobby so that i can prescribe some of your stash before it expires, dont form for your colleagues o. most probabaly, u may even have lobbied me before...LMAO ... even the pts know who the bosses are

ignored

Pennywise:

Thank you for promoting me to the league of successful drs. Loooolz. U are a very intelligent boy. But you are not intelligent enough to know that as a rebel pharmacist, you have signed up to a life of servitude and frustration. Drs and senior pharmacists will sit and shiit on your head in govt and in private. With or without your certificate you will be expelled from an elite community of professionals. All of a sudden you are a vagabond with a worthless certificate called PharmD. And you feel nothing but shame each time someone call you dr bc in your mind you know PharmD is nothing but a tool of deception.

There must be order in the Nigerian health sector. Rascals like evanscheck seeking to offset this order will be actively sought by genuine doctors and pharmacists alike and taken down like a dog. That is your destiny to which you can now say Amen.

i just ignored it also cos it does nt make sense.

adeola_drg:


Well, there you have it. It's ur choice now..

Helo Adeola, i want to ask about this; i heard that if u obtain B. pharm in Nigeria and want to practice in US u will spend another 4 yrs in sch while if u obtain PharmD in Nigeria u will just spend a year or less to practice in US. How true is dz? or wat information can u give abt this?

Ulonwadi:



Last time I checked MBBS is Bachelor of medicine, Bachelor of Surgery, if the medical doctor can be called Doctor even though he has a bachelors degree then why shouldn't the Pharm D holders have a right to answer whatever they want to. I personally believe only PhD holders should be called doctors, that's my opinion and I won't force it down anybody's throat or insult anyone who chooses to be addressed as such. I have a Pharm D from the University of Benin and I can tell you that, that degree makes a lot of sense and all pharmacists should ensure that they at least upgrade their degrees to Pharm D. The course content is so rich and the knowledge you gain beats B Pharm anyday. little wonder that the high level drug companies in naija scramble for uniben products. During my internship, I was appalled by the B Pharm holders from other schools I worked with and felt sad that they themselves didn't even know their deficiencies. However at the end of the day the most important thing is improved provision of health care to the man on the street, if the Pharm D can equip the pharmacist with the skills to achieve that aim, then only a lunatic would complain about the fact that the Pharmacist bears the appellation of Dr

Sorry Sir. Walk into any pharmacy shop in any city or village in Nigeria and present your complaints from fever to palpitations, breathlessness or haemoptysis the pharmacist will bring out some drugs and sell to you - Despite his lack of basic pathology and clinical teaching of any branch of medicine they will never refer you to the qualified professional . We see this everyday even when pharmacists are not ( officially ) calling themselves Doctors. I can tell you that as soon as this crude nomenclature is accepted pharmacists will augment to their drug stores , operating theaters , Dental surgeries , delivery suites and oncology units. It may be okay for America , but certainly a bad idea for our country , our people , and the confused end user- the patient.

sogodihno:
Helo Adeola, i want to ask about this; i heard that if u obtain B. pharm in Nigeria and want to practice in US u will spend another 4 yrs in sch while if u obtain PharmD in Nigeria u will just spend a year or less to practice in US. How true is dz? or wat information can u give abt this?

Pharm Zeezahbee probably has that info. Kindly help us with it. And how many years does it take a B.pharm graduate to get a pharmD? Thanks.

zeezahbee: Sisi afrika and ulonwadi, una don send the pennyless fool away. He's been showing signs of schizophrenia and that's why I think everyone should ignore him. He didn't even talk about the topic again but feeling pained.

Oga penny, abeg take your medication to avoid angina because pharm D has come to stay. Peace

sogodihno:Helo Zeezahbee i want to ask about this; i heard that if u obtain B. pharm in Nigeria and want to practice in US u will spend another 4 yrs in sch while if u obtain PharmD inNigeria u will just spend a year or less to practice in US. How true is dz? or wat information can u give abt this?

nagoma:

Sorry Sir. Walk into any pharmacy shop in any city or village in Nigeria and present your complaints from fever to palpitations, breathlessness or haemoptysis the pharmacist will bring out some drugs and sell to you - Despite his lack of basic pathology and clinical teaching of any branch of medicine they will never refer you to the qualified professional . We see this everyday even when pharmacists are not ( officially ) calling themselves Doctors. I can tell you that as soon as this crude nomenclature is accepted pharmacists will augment to their drug stores , operating theaters , Dental surgeries , delivery suites and oncology units. It may be okay for America , but certainly a bad idea for our country , our people , and the confused end user- the patient.

You don't even know what the pharmacy curriculum entails, please find out what the pharmacist is taught before he leaves school and see if your statement makes any sense

Ulonwadi:

You don't even know what the pharmacy curriculum entails, please find out what the pharmacist is taught before he leaves school and see if your statement makes any sense

enlighten us.

Ulonwadi:

You don't even know what the pharmacy curriculum entails, please find out what the pharmacist is taught before he leaves school and see if your statement makes any sense

The pharmacist is certainly not taught pathology , clinical medicine and surgery.

armadeo:


enlighten us.

use google.
Pathology is done by Pharm student.

You guys have time o. Leave the ignorant fellows!

kenpia: Am liking the energies, positive and negative, this topic is generating. Since both the doctors and pharmacist have employment today because of us, the patients, am indirectly saying we pay your salaries, can you focus the discussion on how and why approving a Pharm.D program can or cannot benefit me. Rather than focusing on yourselves.

Bro, Pharm. D is more of clinical care dan B. Pharm which means the patient will be very much followed in terms of prescription, her medical records will v much b put into consideration and I think ward rounds will also be done........ Just a litu ansa sha,,,,, my ogas will do d rest.... And BTW, for d fact that Pharm. D calls for good Physician-Pharmacist relationship eliminates many mistakes...

joker5180: I see nothing wrong in health professionals striving to improve their skills but I always doubt the sincerity of doing so if there a hidding secrete to it.
No nigerian university award " doctor of ............" as first degree except in the case of optometry ( which is a desaster).
The degree " doctor of .......," is ONLY awarded to students who undergo a postgraduate training in form of PhD.
People who study MEDICINE AND SURGERY are awarded MB,BS( bachelor of medicine, bachelor of surgery) by universities. The title "Dr" is given by their regulatory body.
An additional year doesnt equate to a PhD.
They just want parade themselves as "doctors" in the society and nothing else.

You guys are so ignorant that i shudder....pls tell me why the doctor of optometry degree is a disaster...do u at all know hw medicine men came to be called doctors?it was through crass envy of the title when it was only possessed by phd holders...so please tell me more about the disaster

Pennywise:

It is not in doubt that Nigerian pharmacists need a more didactic curriculum to become better professionals even if it means increasing study yrs to 6.

But that doesnt entitle them and optometrists to the prefix 'Dr'. Architects spend 6yrs in sch, yet they are not addressed with the prefix 'Dr'. In the US pharmD or not pharmacists are not called doctor sb except in Nigeria.

Why the fixation with the title? A lot of people doctors or not see a sinister motive esp when viewed against the background of the unending acrimony in the health sector.

No point.Architects dont do pathology,pharmacology,anatomy,physiology,epidemiology,community health,clinical psychology,neuropathology,human genetics,clinical sessions,biochemistry,microbiology,ocular pathology,oc6lar pharmacology ,physiological optics series,amongst numerous others....and with 50% as pass mark for every course....try again fella.

ige101: No point there my dear.Do u also know that anytime a driver drives on d way he put his life on the line?

Thank you very much sir!!!And nigerians know their right.tell me how many medical doctors have been sued either as tort or criminally.soon u will tell me that your insurance coverage is climbing through the roofs because of the risk associated with medical proceedures.if the laws were working in nigeria dont u think more than half of nigerian medical 'drs' would be in jail today?

joker5180: you are right. I have seen a number of optometrics parading themselves as "doctors" and been paid salaries using medical doctors circular- CONMESS. Some of them call themselves 'eye doctors'. It is only in tertiary health institutions that they are place where they belong- refraction room.

And that refraction is the milk of ophthalmic practice.Ophthalmologists want to kill themselves over it...when u refer patients to them they slyly keep the patient in the waiting room under a good view of their spectacle show rooom hoping he or she makes a selection...tell me how many surgical proceedures ophthalmologists perform in nigeria,with the exception of CE and maybe trabeculoplasty....can they perform scleral buckling or retinal photocoagulation....shrrap my man....In case u dont know refraction is what ophthalmologists survive on....and they suck at it.

And digest this...optometrists diagnose every ocular disease,using a vast array of techniques and proceedures,treat with pharmacological agents and any opthalmic aid,refer to other health care practitioners WHEN NECESSARY e.g neuro-surgeons,neurologists,ophthalmologists,gp etc,with adequate referral letters,counsel,monitor,evaluate, and manage the conditions where necessary....perform the integration of clinical data and risk factor analysis associated with these proceedures...

In eye clinics run by optometrists,ophthalmologists are just invited to perform any surgical proceedure required,mostly CE after which they leave.post management is done by the optometrists....and lets not even go to the residency curriculum of ophthalmologists...optometrists in usa perform ophthalmic surgery,these proceedures are taught didactically in nigerian optometry schools,the clinical aspect will soon follow...medicine can do all they can,but they cannever stop change...it surely is coming....

deols: The year is 2058. I see a man in a security personnel garb with a tag, Consultant gateman. He works in a teaching hospital and the Union of teaching hospital gatemen just won a lawsuit. They are afteral doctors, like the nurses and pharmacists. Cleaners are now directors and orderlies run the board meetings.

On a serious note,I believe pharmacists,nurses,etc should be taught 2 have a sense of pride in their professions. The run after titles should b discouraged and good attitude to work emphasized.

And i ask you,y did the medical 'drs' (or medicine men as i prefer to call them since there is no doctor in their degree,at least here in nigeria)start arrogating to themselves a name meant solely for phd holders.They robbed the degree from academics....try whatever they can,the cult called nma cannot stop change....either you go with it or it breaks you...nigeria medical shrine is overdue for a breakdown....

originbm:

No point.Architects dont do pathology,pharmacology,anatomy,physiology,epidemiology,community health,clinical psychology,neuropathology,human genetics,clinical sessions,biochemistry,microbiology,ocular pathology,oc6lar pharmacology ,physiological optics series,amongst numerous others....and with 50% as pass mark for every course....try again fella.

Those are extremely wide subject areas. You had a topic or a few week exposure to make you a better pharmacist doesnt mean you have done pathology and therefore should be called doctor. Nurses 'do' all the subjects you mentioned in greater depth than you but they still have the humility to remain and be called nurses. Real pharmacists are too busy and too professional to be dragged into non issues like this. You lot should aspire to become better pharmacists, not title raiders.

Pennywise:

Those are extremely wide subject areas. You had a topic or a few week exposure to make you a better pharmacist doesnt mean you have done pathology and therefore should be called doctor. Nurses 'do' all the subjects you mentioned in greater depth than you but they still have the humility to remain and be called nurses. Real pharmacists are too busy and too professional to be dragged into non issues like this. You lot should aspire to become better pharmacists, not title raiders.

This goes to show how ignorant you guys really are....look at that course outline again,are those courses for pharmacists?have you even bothered to look at a pharmacist's curriculum...on the contrary its an outline for optometrists who do those courses in greater depth than any medical curriculum can handle.only ophthalmology training can come close to anything near the depth of what optometrists do in their undergraduate studies..

what do you mean by nurses having the humility to answer nurses...u guys denigrated the title of other health care practitioners by ur attitude towards them which was geared towards making them look incompetent....guess what,the more nigerians become educated,the more they will see through ur charade...medicine men and women should be the ones to learn humility and quit meddling....even in this forum,in this discussion u r trying to act smart by appearing to support a side on the divide....and who gave u d authority to say who is a real pharmacist and who is not....u use ur warped view of doggish loyalty to the medical cabal to distinguish between the proffesional and insecure pharmacist....in all i dont blame u,i blame pcn.i do,indeed.

nagoma:
The "wannabe Doctors" are desperate . Pharmacists , Optometrists and even ambulance drivers want to be referred to as Docrors and they refuse to go through medical school. The confusion in Nigeria's healthcare continues as we copy blindly from America.

Thank you sir.Perhaps we should copy from yugoslavia. Medicine men are just players in the health field,just like the ambulance driver or gatekeeper,no more,no less.What irks me most is the hypocrisy of the medicine men and women.That is y a medicine man slapped a nurse in the hospital.The medicine people spend all their time denigrating and degrading other health care professionals and their titles.and they suceed because they have the greater contact with patient and are also the more visible personnel.They distilled that visibility into their title'dr'.this means that medicine suffers collateral damage whenever other health care professionals use d title.guess wat,u guys will suffer more of this damage in the future.

Medicine stole the title 'dr' from the academia because their governing body could do so legally.and now they want everyone to think its theirs.like they hv been deceiving unknowing nigerians.Guess wat optometry was smart enough to add 'dr' to their own title...ur degree combination is mbbs,theirs is obbvs,and u guys can only bicker,whimper and simper all you like, which is ur job,they are legal 'drs'.change it if you can.

Medicine know they stole it in uk,at least there they are honest,thats y they drop the title like its hot once they finish their residency.They know they stole it.

Pharmacy should get their acts together and quit giving personnels like the cupboard 'drs' here the chance to further their agenda.

nagoma:
The "wannabe Doctors" are desperate . Pharmacists , Optometrists and even ambulance drivers want to be referred to as Docrors and they refuse to go through medical school.

I think u should be smart enough to know that Optometry has actually proved that u dont have to go to medical school to be a dr.Or to be a surgeon for that matter.American optometrists perform surgical proceedures.Nigerian optometrists are soon following suit.They already have the didactic knowledge,the clinical part will soon follow.

So medicine men and women,prepare to really moan and cry.

Pennywise:


Those are extremely wide subject areas. You had a topic or a few week exposure to make you a better pharmacist doesnt mean you have done pathology and therefore should be called doctor. Nurses 'do' all the subjects you mentioned in greater depth than you but they still have the humility to remain and be called nurses. Real pharmacists are too busy and too professional to be dragged into non issues like this. You lot should aspire to become better pharmacists, not title raiders.

eihya. . . . . . A pharm UNIBEN grad is a Doctor already.

I think this issue is quite simple. If truly we are just interested in upgrading the form of care rendered by B.Pharm degree holders. Why can't the curriculum be changed to incorporate all the changes that need to be made without necessitating a change in degree title. That I beliv was why NUC stopped d Pharm D program. Otherwise we should be ready for D.Nursing, D.Physiotherapy,D.MLS in d nearest future.