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beejaay:
and here i thought God is everywhere "my bad"

Bro, Its easier to doubt God I know, but I guess it'll be revealed at the end if we were wasting our time believing in God.
what will it remove from me being right and obeying God even though He dosnt exist, nothing. But what if he does exist and hell is real?

Jakeattah:
Bro, Its easier to doubt God I know, but I guess it'll be revealed at the end if we were wasting our time believing in God.
what will it remove from me being right and obeying God even though He dosnt exist, nothing. But what if he does exist and hell is real?

whats my biz whether god exist or doestn exit, bros i dont care cos it doesnt really mean anything or change anything, whether god exist or not i will still die, eat,sleep tonight/die in my sleep or make money or be poor all through (it doesnt change anything)

the reason why i quoted you was because u said God is clean and pure and he is always where is clean and pure and not where is unclean and impure and i said using the words common amongst u people that god is everywhere which means he is where is pure&impure, clean&unclean, heaven&hell, happiness&sereneness unless he is not omnipresent again

Weah96:
This is good to know, but Allah is also everlasting and was never generated by anyone.

Why are you not praying to him 5x a day as required?

Do you not believe that Allah is real?

Please do stay on course with the initial argument, do not divert. Two can play this game

You asked after my definition of God and you said you will prove to me that my God does not exist.
I have given you my definition.
That is the argument, stick to it and stop diverting away from the bone of contention.

I never mentioned Allah

beejaay:
whats my biz whether god exist or doestn exit, bros i dont care cos it doesnt really mean anything or change anything, whether god exist or not i will still die, eat,sleep tonight/die in my sleep or make money or be poor all through (it doesnt change anything)

the reason why i quoted you was because u said God is clean and pure and he is always where is clean and pure and not where is unclean and impure and i said using the words common amongst u people that god is everywhere which means he is where is pure&impure, clean&unclean, heaven&hell, happiness&sereneness unless he is not omnipresent again

Let us clear a misconception...

God can be where is Impure, but he does not will it.

The same way you have the knowledge to do what is right and wrong (based on how sound your morals are), but you choose to do what is right even when you could do the other...

Hope you get the analogy..

bossminded:
Ok now let's get this real quick...now what is the difference between man and angels "freewill" God gave man free will.... never, I repeat never did God predestined the actions of man, what God predestined is the is the consequence and reward principle of each action..... this is what I mean, what you do (or say) determines what God would do next... if u look at ur bible very well u wuld see a number of cases, where God was out to destroy a nation or a prsn and wen dy repent of their sins God changes his mind

Now about Adam and eve... God gave Adam and Eve free will and... in d bible God says I av placed b4 u good and evil, but choose good ryt??.... now God didn't predestined them to sin, but he predestined the consequences of their actions

Quiet a lovely piece, have never read such in a while.

emperortony:
Quiet a lovely piece, have never read such in a while.

Thank u sir

BossTtdiamonds:
Please do stay on course with the initial argument, do not divert. Two can play this game

You asked after my definition of God and you said you will prove to me that my God does not exist.
I have given you my definition.
That is the argument, stick to it and stop diverting away from the bone of contention.

I never mentioned Allah

That was not a definition, it was a cowardly cop out. Are you not a follower of Jesus?

Yes or no? Jesus is an example of a God. Allah is another. Pick Jesus or Allah and I'll show you that they're both fictional characters like Obi Okonkwo from Things Fall Apart.

Weah96:
That was not a definition, it was a cowardly cop out. Are you not a follower of Jesus?
Yes or no?

That was not a definition? You know you sound funny innit.. You asked for MY definition, not THE definition, I simply gave you MY definition . There's a big difference between the two.. I've given you my definition and here you are twistin' things.
Plus yes I am a follower of Jesus, and I had stated this.

Jesus is an example of a God. Allah is another. Pick Jesus or Allah and I'll show you that they're both fictional characters like Obi Okonkwo from Things Fall Apart.

You had asked initially and I had told you plus what has Allah got to do with this.. You're supposed to prove to me that my God does not exist..not tell me 'bout Allah.
You are tryin' to tangle the argument into one big mess....
Since you're so bent on lecturin' me 'bout Allah, here's two (2) questions for you..
1. Do you believe in Allah?
2. Are you a messenger of Allah?

BossTtdiamonds:
1. Do you believe in Allah?
2. Are you a messenger of Allah?

Allah, the personal God who requires that we shower 5x daily, is imaginary.

As for your own God Jesus, the bible defines him. His character is alive in the four gospel stories.

See Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16.

John 14:12, for example, states rather unambiguously:

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

Well my friend, there's your proof. The character Jesus never left the text of the story.

That's what I call an insurmountable disconnect between the literature and reality.

According to the verse above, either Jesus is REAL and NO ONE on the planet believes in him,

Or

He's imaginary.

Would you like me to show you more proofs from the bible?

OLAADEGBU:
Question: "If God knew that Adam and Eve would sin, why did He create them?"

Answer: The Bible says that God created all things—including us—for Himself. He is glorified in His creation. "From him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen" (Romans 11:36).

It may be hard to see how Adam and Eve's falling into sin could bring glory to God. In fact, some might even wonder why, if God knew ahead of time all the trouble they would cause, He made them in the first place.

God is omniscient (Psalm 139:1–6), and He knows the future (Isaiah 46:10). So He definitely knew that Adam and Eve would sin. But He created them anyway and gave them a free will with which they chose to sin.

We must carefully note that Adam and Eve's falling into sin does not mean that God is the author of sin or that He tempted them to sin (James 1:13). But the fall does serve the purpose of God's overall plan for creation and mankind.

If we consider what some theologians call the "meta-narrative" (or overarching storyline) of Scripture, we see that biblical history can be roughly divided into three main sections:

1) paradise (Genesis 1—2);

2) paradise lost (Genesis 3—Revelation 20); and

3) paradise regained (Revelation 21—22).

By far the largest part of the narrative is devoted to the transition from paradise lost to paradise regained. At the centre of this meta-narrative is the cross, which was planned from the very beginning (Acts 2:23). "The Lamb . . . was slain from the creation of the world" (Revelation 13:8.)

Reading Scripture carefully, we are led to the following conclusions:

1. The fall of mankind was foreknown by God.

2. The crucifixion of Christ, the atonement for God’s elect, was foreordained by God.

3. All people will one day glorify God (Psalm 86:9), and God purposes "to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ" (Ephesians 1:10).

God’s purpose was to create a world in which His glory could be manifest in all its fullness. The glory of God is the overarching goal of creation. In fact, it is the overarching goal of everything He does. The universe was created to display God’s glory (Psalm 19:1), and the wrath of God is revealed against those who fail to glorify God (Romans 1:23). The world that best displays the glory of God is the world we have—a world that was allowed to fall, a world that was redeemed, a world that will be restored to its original perfection.

God’s wrath and God’s mercy display the riches of His glory, but we cannot see either without the fall of mankind. We would never know grace if we had never needed grace. Therefore, all of God’s plan—including the fall, election, redemption, and atonement of mankind—serves the purpose of glorifying God. When man fell into sin, God’s mercy was immediately displayed in God’s not killing him on the spot. God’s grace was immediately evident in the covering He provided for their shame (Genesis 3:21). God’s patience and forbearance were later on display as mankind fell deeper and deeper into sin. God’s justice and wrath were on display when He sent the flood, and God’s mercy and grace were again demonstrated when He saved Noah and his family. God’s holy wrath and perfect justice will be seen in the future when He deals with Satan once and for all (Revelation 20:7–10).

God’s glory is also revealed in His love (1 John 4:16). Our knowledge of God’s love comes from the Person and saving work of Jesus Christ in this fallen world. "This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him" (1 John 4:9). Had God decided not to create Adam and Eve, based on His knowledge of their fall—or had He made them automatons with no volition—we would never have truly known what love is.

The ultimate exhibition of God’s glory was at the cross where His wrath, justice, and mercy met. The righteous judgment of all sin was executed at the cross, and God’s grace was on display in His Son’s words, "Father, forgive them" (Luke 23:34). God’s love and grace are manifest in those whom He has saved (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8–9). In the end, God will be glorified as His chosen people worship Him for all eternity with the angels, and the wicked will also glorify God as His righteousness results in the eternal punishment of unrepentant sinners (Philippians 2:11). Without the fall of Adam and Eve, we would never know God’s justice, grace, mercy, or love.

Some raise the objection that God’s foreknowledge and foreordination of the fall damages man’s freedom. In other words, if God created mankind with full knowledge of the impending fall into sin, how can man be responsible for his sin? The best answer to that question can be found in the Westminster Confession of Faith:

"God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established" (WFC, III.1)

In other words, God ordains future events in such a way that our freedom and the working of secondary causes (e.g., laws of nature) are preserved. Theologians call this "concurrence." God’s sovereign will flows concurrently with our free choices in such a way that our free choices always result in the carrying out of God’s will (by "free" we mean that our choices are not coerced by outside influences). It’s a complex interaction of wills and choices, but the Creator God can handle any amount of complexity.

God foresaw Adam and Eve’s fall. He created them anyway, in His own image, to bring glory to Himself. They were given freedom to make choices. Even though they chose to disobey, their choice became the means by which God’s ultimate will was carried out and by which His full glory will be seen.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/if-God-knew-Adam-Eve-sin.html#ixzz3FdiU9b4W

Freedom begets responsibility.

Jakeattah:
Bro, Its easier to doubt God I know, but I guess it'll be revealed at the end if we were wasting our time believing in God.
what will it remove from me being right and obeying God even though He dosnt exist, nothing. But what if he does exist and hell is real?

i take it that the reason why u are worshipping God is because u fear he might exist and might burn u in hell... hhahahahahahaha thats exactly why others worship God shaa... smh . . . . . ....SOUNDS LIKE TYRANNY TO ME.. LOL