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asalimpo:
how many more angels hav sinned after d fall of lucifer?

1. Satan is reported to have rebelled in union with a huge number of angels. Around 1/3 of their number at the time.

2. There were the angels who came down to earth to take wives.

3. 2 Peter 2:4 speaks of angels who have sinned and are being held in the dungeon while they await judgment day. These are obviously not the ones in hell with Satan.

4. We have no reason to assume that nothing spectacular has happened in heaven since after the bible was written. In fact, it makes sense to say that more angels have joined and are joining Satan in hell as this would explain why he is prophesied to attempt another take over on the last day. Apparently he is gathering reinforcement for now.

Femmymata2:
Thats nice bro, but like i told u going to heaven wouldn't be a thing of joy for me know there are people burning,screaming,roasting in hell. God has the right to do what he wants, i also have the right to chose hell. I pray u'll make heaven in jesus name.

Amen.

Xcapist:
Hmmm. Yahweh and his mind games.... That guy is one confused fellow.

Na over sabi dey worry am.

finofaya:
1. Satan is reported to have rebelled in union with a huge number of angels. Around 1/3 of their number at the time.

2. There were the angels who came down to earth to take wives.

3. 2 Peter 2:4 speaks of angels who have sinned and are being held in the dungeon while they await judgment day. These are obviously not the ones in hell with Satan.

4. We have no reason to assume that nothing spectacular has happened in heaven since after the bible was written. In fact, it makes sense to say that more angels have joined and are joining Satan in hell as this would explain why he is prophesied to attempt another take over on the last day. Apparently he is gathering reinforcement for now time.

it makes sense to say wat the bible says not giv your private interpretation.
The bible talks of angels who left their first estate, and their place wasnt found in heaven no more.
They would fit d beings who took wives on earth. But d bible is silent on that.
Two, lucifer and his bunch, thought they'll win. Hav they?
Their track record is one of defeat after defeat. Any angel with brains on will see and learn.
He tried a coup in heaven - was thrown out.
He settled in d atmosphere btwn heaven and earth.
Tried to win the earth,since he lost in heaven, Adam was decieved-Earth keys went to satan. Great. Super victory.

God, allowed it,because satan had legal rights to d property-earth.

Satan thought God would forever condemn Man as He did angels-he was wrong. Man, was given a second chance.
Again,Satan lost.

God, promised a deliverer,Satan was on d lookout to kill any who looked like one. Abel went down, many prophets were slain.
Yet,Jesus, was born-satan failed again.

Next,working thru the then king , He incited mass slaughter of babies. But Jesus had left for egypt the night before. Oops! Satan miscalculated again.

Now,He was sure that Jesus was the One. He tried to play subtly.
He threw his temptations.
They backfired!
Satan literally ran out of ideas! Nothg to tempt with again!
Satan lost yet again.

Then he engineered the crucifixion. He was always a murderer. Did it work?
The broke legal laws by killing and innocent man. And till today,He's still regretting.
By this act,He became the ultimate fool.
Not only did he lose in his goal,he lost his previous rights and powers - the power of death and hell.
He was stripped.
Who laughed last?
Jesus rose triumphant.
Satan lost yet again?

Now , each time a person gives his life to Christ Satan winces because such a one has d potential to wreak havoc to his plans. Christianity bcomes like an ebola virus to his kingdom.
He's agenda is now to cause confusion,lethargy, laxness,disinterest in the church.

Eventually, he'll make one last move to forever seal people for hell and win the earth for himself - and he'll lose (on the earth part)

lastly, he has a terrible destiny.
A mere angel , not God , will throw him into his place of torment. In the lake of fire,he'll be howling to.

Would u wanna decamp to som1 with satan's track record?

He's a loser. Big time.

hoyinkansola:
really?.. i pity u

My prayer for you is to make heaven in jesus name. Work harder so u don't end up in that burning everlasting fire with brimstone,unquenching thirst,whipping by evil demons,rape by satan and his minions,worms from the eye,butt,breast,ear e.t.c it is an evil place created by our lovely Creator God/allah. But thats where i pray for myself in jesus name Amen

asalimpo:
it makes sense to say wat the bible says not giv your private interpretation.
The bible talks of angels who left their first estate, and their place wasnt found in heaven no more.
They would fit d beings who took wives on earth. But d bible is silent on that.
Two, lucifer and his bunch, thought they'll win. Hav they?
Their track record is one of defeat after defeat. Any angel with brains on will see and learn.
He tried a coup in heaven - was thrown out.
He settled in d atmosphere btwn heaven and earth.
Tried to win the earth,since he lost in heaven, Adam was decieved-Earth keys went to satan. Great. Super victory.

God, allowed it,because satan had legal rights to d property-earth.

Satan thought God would forever condemn Man as He did angels-he was wrong. Man, was given a second chance.
Again,Satan lost.

God, promised a deliverer,Satan was on d lookout to kill any who looked like one. Abel went down, many prophets were slain.
Yet,Jesus, was born-satan failed again.

Next,working thru the then king , He incited mass slaughter of babies. But Jesus had left for egypt the night before. Oops! Satan miscalculated again.

Now,He was sure that Jesus was the One. He tried to play subtly.
He threw his temptations.
They backfired!
Satan literally ran out of ideas! Nothg to tempt with again!
Satan lost yet again.

Then he engineered the crucifixion. He was always a murderer. Did it work?
The broke legal laws by killing and innocent man. And till today,He's still regretting.
By this act,He became the ultimate fool.
Not only did he lose in his goal,he lost his previous rights and powers - the power of death and hell.
He was stripped.
Who laughed last?
Jesus rose triumphant.
Satan lost yet again?

Now , each time a person gives his life to Christ Satan winces because such a one has d potential to wreak havoc to his plans. Christianity bcomes like an ebola virus to his kingdom.
He's agenda is now to cause confusion,lethargy, laxness,disinterest in the church.

Eventually, he'll make one last move to forever seal people for hell and win the earth for himself - and he'll lose (on the earth part)

lastly, he has a terrible destiny.
A mere angel , not God , will throw him into his place of torment. In the lake of fire,he'll be howling to.

Would u wanna decamp to som1 with satan's track record?

He's a loser. Big time.

That's a great story. What we are looking at is whether angels can sin in heaven. I think we are agreed that they can. If they can sin in heaven, then why not you?

kika23:
Then you have no idea.... Not even the slightest clue.....op

Actually neither do you

Simpsonrocket:
bro I know how you feel. But that's how He wants it and no one can question Him. Look at it yourself when you buy a car. You will choose the person you want to enter your car, the one's you want to drive it. You have power to direct the use of that car. So, no one will come to you and say why are you doing the car like that. Likewise God has power over His creation. So you can not question Him. Our problem is that we want things in our own way, we are not ready to follow His guidelines, that is why many will end up in hell fire. Just humble yourself before Him and stop thinking that you cannot make it to heaven. With man it is impossible but with God, all things are possible.

The funny thing is many people(Gods) claim to own the car
who is now the real owner??

hoyinkansola:
op.... can u try this little experiment,light a candle,then place just one finger on top for one hour.. like seriously just imagine the pain nd agony

Can souls feel pain

Femmymata2:
Thats nice bro, but like i told u going to heaven wouldn't be a thing of joy for me know there are people burning,screaming,roasting in hell. God has the right to do what he wants, i also have the right to chose hell. I pray u'll make heaven in jesus name.

So, what you are saying is that, when an armed robber or lets say the BH boys recieve punishment for all their deeds, you would love to join them to suffer even though you are innocent?

Femmymata2:
I can't be in heaven with my freewill and not want to stage a coup to upstage God and release those children,men and women burning,tortured,screaming in hell. But God knows my deepest thought and would not allow me in heaven, but when i get to hell we would see how we can convince our host(satan,demön,torturing angels) to believe in our plans. Satan tried it once and failed, with numerous advanced brains he can succeed.

This is damn funny.

macof:
The funny thing is many people(Gods) claim to own the car
who is now the real owner??

there is only one God, the creator of Heaven and Earth. He cannot be represented by any image neither can He be seen with the naked eye. But you can feel His presence inside of you. "For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1Tim 2:5"

Simpsonrocket:
there is only one God, the creator of Heaven and Earth. He cannot be represented by any image neither can He be seen with the naked eye. But you can feel His presence inside of you. "For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1Tim 2:5"

I completely agree with the bold...but the God I feel inside me is nothing like the Christian or Islamic gods
As a matter of fact the God I see in everything is nothing like Allah or Jehovah
these are jst two cun men

Femmymata2:
My prayer for you is to make heaven in jesus name. Work harder so u don't end up in that burning everlasting fire with brimstone,unquenching thirst,whipping by evil demons,rape by satan and his minions,worms from the eye,butt,breast,ear e.t.c it is an evil place created by our lovely Creator God/allah. But thats where i pray for myself in jesus name Amen

the mistake you and ur self righteous ilks make is though u read the bible ,with wrong motives,you never get at the liberatg truth in it.
Provg once again the verse tht says "Ever learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth ".
The Holy Spirit,is the teacher, He can open ur eyes to truths u dont see.

On heaven and hell, theyre two families on earth. The family of God and satan.
You choose which family you want to belong to while on earth.
When you die, you go to ur fathers house.
Heaven or Hell.
Blaming God for not doing somethg illegal , is hypocrisy.
If you willingly choose satan as ur father on earth, then go to the hell reserved for him. Period.

Simpsonrocket:
So, what you are saying is that, when an armed robber or lets say the BH boys recieve punishment for all their deeds, you would love to join them to suffer even though you are innocent?

I understand what you mean.. Humans can sentence an offender to death or life imprisonment which will end with demise of such individuals. No human will sentence a fellow human to eternal torture,burning with fire. Humans have limited power but God has the ultimate power to stop boko haram and still allows them to kidnap and r.ape innocent girls while he is waiting in heaven to throw them in hell, thats insanity. God,boko haram are of thesame ilk

hoyinkansola:
its like u have never read the book of revelation..

... Damsel, the book of revelation was written in " signs" or symbols ( rev 1:1) probably dats a truth your pastor has hide from u , the symbol lake of fire means " second death" Rev 20:14, 21:8 , Infact the scriptures shows clearly that anything thrown into the symbolic lake of fire " Ceases to exist" Rev 20:14 ; 21:4 "

asalimpo:
the mistake you and ur self righteous ilks make is though u read the bible ,with wrong motives,you never get at the liberatg truth in it.
Provg once again the verse tht says "Ever learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth ".
The Holy Spirit,is the teacher, He can open ur eyes to truths u dont see.

On heaven and hell, theyre two families on earth. The family of God and satan.
You choose which family you want to belong to while on earth.
When you die, you go to ur fathers house.
Heaven or Hell.
Blaming God for not doing somethg illegal , is hypocrisy.
If you willingly choose satan as ur father on earth, then go to the hell reserved for him. Period.

Never claimed to be righteous, it is about an insane Diety that wants to confine people to enternal torment. If such evil entity exist, i condemn it in its totality. No soul should be confined to enternal torture anybody that believes otherwise need to be examined carefully

macof:
I completely agree with the bold...but the God I feel inside me is nothing like the Christian or Islamic gods
As a matter of fact the God I see in everything is nothing like Allah or Jehovah
these are jst two cun men

"For as I was passing through and considering the object of your worship, I even found an alter with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore, the one whom you worship without knowing Him I proclaim to you:
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of Heaven and Earth, does not dwell in temple made with hands." Acts 17:23-24

Simpsonrocket:
"For as I was passing through and considering the object of your worship, I even found an alter with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore, the one whom you worship without knowing Him I proclaim to you:
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of Heaven and Earth, does not dwell in temple made with hands." Acts 17:23-24

Doesn't relate with my post. you can't jst proclaim ur god is the unknown God when so many other religions claim it too

okay naw

macof:
Doesn't relate with my post. you can't jst proclaim ur god is the unknown God when so many other religions claim it too

so,what's your point?
you chose help too right?

finofaya:
That's a great story. What we are looking at is whether angels can sin in heaven. I think we are agreed that they can. If they can sin in heaven, then why not you?

yeah. These things playout like sci-fi sometimes.
Historically, people repeat same mistakes after memories of past regrets dissipate.
So, logically, angels should want to rebel.
Y havent they? I don't know.
I could hazard a guess,but i would hav no scriptural backing.
Why would man with a free will not want to sin in heaven? Me know not.
Would God tweak our will components, i don't know or think so.
Wat is apparent is both God and man hav gone thru enuff stress followg the first sin in eden to now.
I dont think any1 would want to go thru this cycle again every so many light years.
The bible is however categorically clear,tht this cycle wont repeat itself again.

But let me think.
Most sins come from needg to fulfill a desire, fulfill d desire legitimately and the temptation goes ,in som cases.
E.g a person who earns well wouldnt stoop to stealing a phone and getting lynched by a mob ?
A married man with a healthy s.ex life may not chase a woman outside.
Youths who are busy making money wont have time for rioting
etc

a man with a measure of prosperity may nt envy his neighbours stuffs.

Granted , this isnt airtight, but it holds some water.
Anoda,is tht sin is like an act of immaturity.
Wen people mature and grow up they put away childish things.
E.g som people did stupid things in their younger days they wouldnt repeat again today, y? because theyre wiser. Yet they see younger ones repeat those same mistakes.
Y do younger ones repeat the mistake? because theyre blind.
In an atmosphere where you continually enlightened people wud progressively see the consequences of their actions bf they perform them. Tht is wisdom.
So with eve's free will,intact, if she could see the consequences of her action do you think,she wouldnt hav clobbered tht snake tht was temptg her?
If nigerian leaders during the oil boom, could forsee tht they wouldnt b a boom forever, and move to heavily industrialize the nation with the oil wealth would we lamentg many generations after? So, sin requires deception, and short sightedness.

Femmymata2:
I understand what you mean.. Humans can sentence an offender to death or life imprisonment which will end with demise of such individuals. No human will sentence a fellow human to eternal torture,burning with fire. Humans have limited power but God has the ultimate power to stop boko haram and still allows them to kidnap and r.ape innocent girls while he is waiting in heaven to throw them in hell, thats insanity. God,boko haram are of thesame ilk

bro you really need to understand God's ways. All this things happen because of our sins. If you read 1King,2King,1Chro,2Chro very well you will see so many times how the Israelites turn away from God and started worshipping idols and fornicating. God left them to their sinful pleasures. And allowed their enemies to battle against them killing many of them. Even the innocent ones suffer with them. Compare that to Nigeria where there is corruption here and there, but if all of us can repent, the BH boys would have been a destroyed before long. Any nation where there is sin God cannot dwell there. So the devil will take control over that nation unless they repent.

.

macof:
Doesn't relate with my post. you can't jst proclaim ur god is the unknown God when so many other religions claim it too

that's why He left much evidence for us in the Bible.

Ajibam:
so,what's your point?
you chose help too right?

My point is you have nothing to prove to the world that ur god is true and others aren't

As u claim Jehovah nd his son Jesus so does a muslim claim Allah and his oneness and many other religions

Simpsonrocket:
that's why He left much evidence for us in the Bible.

And u think Allah left no evidence in the Quran?

macof:
And u think Allah left no evidence in the Quran?

Allah is the same as God and im not condemning the Holy Quran. It is the same as the Bible only that it was twisted. You can research yourself why I said it was twisted.

Simpsonrocket:
Allah is the same as God and im not condemning the Holy Quran. It is the same as the Bible only that it was twisted. You can research yourself why I said it was twisted.

Muslims also accuse Christians of twisting the Bible
So it still doesn't change the fact that Christians and muslims don't agree on what the true God has instructed...whether one or both have been twisted

Bible and Quran can't be right but they can both be wrong
And I say they are wrong until proven otherwise

macof:
Muslims also accuse Christians of twisting the Bible
So it still doesn't change the fact that Christians and muslims don't agree on what the true God has instructed...whether one or both have been twisted

Bible and Quran can't be right but they can both be wrong
And I say they are wrong until proven otherwise

Then no one can prove it to you, except the Spirit of God visit you. I remember when I gave my life to Christ, I heard Him speak to me in a dream and He showed me things that qualify the Bible. I live my life before then in problems and after I received Him everything Change. So also you will only know his existence only when you try Him. I wish you would!

macof:
I completely agree with the bold...but the God I feel inside me is nothing like the Christian or Islamic gods
As a matter of fact the God I see in everything is nothing like Allah or Jehovah
these are jst two cun men

yes! cunny men they are jare!!!

Simpsonrocket:
Then no one can prove it to you, except the Spirit of God visit you. I remember when I gave my life to Christ, I heard Him speak to me in a dream and He showed me things that qualify the Bible. I live my life before then in problems and after I received Him everything Change. So also you will only know his existence only when you try Him. I wish you would!

I thought you said the spirit of God is in every man?

Lol how was Jesus's voice? Did he tell you his real name isn't Jesus?