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GuyFawkes:
Abacha was the GOC mechanised division Ibadan then and also IBB ally. The brigade of guards or loyal troops will fight if they know their COAS was still in a position of power and the seat of goverment could be safeguarded else it would be an exercise in futility.

Yeah, you are saying same as I said. The head of state controls no troops. The COAS control all brigades, divisions and troops but by proxy. If the commanders are loyal to him during a coup then the likelihood of the coup successful is minimal but if 2 or more commanders are not then it becomes a bloody coup and the troops with more power and equipment takes over.

The loyalty of the infantry and armoured division determines the way a coup goes.

Remember the first thing Abacha did when he escaped from dodan barracks was to seek the loyalty of commanders of the two most powerful army division in lagos.

Sai Buhari.

If buhari is the best apc can do then I really weep for Nigeria.

He did nothing as a military head. Of states with all his powers and young brain. How can he perform now? what changed?

idumuose:
When i tell Buhari's supporters that he was part and parcel of the coup,theysaid i was lying.
He knew ibro was planning a coup against him and what action did he take? He acted like a tree

who heard it was going to be felled yet he stood there and did nothing.

Reading the whole interview would have educated you better.
You become part of a coup when you benefit from it whether you know about it or not.

A palace coup just took place in burkina faso with the sudden removal of the Army Chief who took power the day the president ran away but has been removed and replaced with a junior office simply because they Army chief took a unilateral action and was punished for it. That is military ethics and how things are done. The army chief would have been the head of state if he was the one who removed the president but in their case popular uprising did.

Military has a structure and they guide it jealously if you don't know about it, don't discuss it. Buhari had no choice than to takeover else the other option was to resign his military commission. He was respected by the coupists by them naming him head being the most senior officer in the land then.

Colonel isaac zida in burkina faso is the head of state now because the military commanders made him so. Pls get enlightened.

pendy79:
Yeah, you are saying same as I said. The head of state controls no troops. The COAS control all brigades, divisions and troops but by proxy. If the commanders are loyal to him during a coup then the likelihood of the coup successful is minimal but if 2 or more commanders are not then it becomes a bloody coup and the troops with more power and equipment takes over.

The loyalty of the infantry and armoured division determines the way a coup goes.

Remember the first thing Abacha did when he escaped from dodan barracks was to seek the loyalty of commanders of the two most powerful army division in lagos.

The COAS can be rendered useless if he doesn't have the loyalty of the GOC's . We've not experienced the kin of situations you stated in your first paragraph, so you see how the coup plotters are always meticulous in their planning to reduce the risk of bloodshed.

There's no way any infantry troops can function efficiently without the support of some armoured columns in that kinda scenario.

Yes the powerful army divisions were Bonny Camp and Ikeja Cantonment..

Those asking him to do something about it should have ask why blaise campore of burkina faso ran away to ivory coast.

Buhari knowing he wasn't the arrowhead of the coup against shagari and only benefited knew doing anything against IBB who controls the most equipped and elite military formation could lead to another round of the 1966 episode.

A true and sensible leader place national interest above personal glory. A wise general chooses his war and going against IBB, Abacha, Dogonyaro and domkat bali would have been a stupid and fruitless venture..

His deputy who the commanders are supposed to report to wasn't in town and he on his own control no troops. Taking on the establishment would have been suicidal. If you don't think so, go read about Thomas Sankara.

GuyFawkes:
The COAS can be rendered useless if he doesn't have the loyalty of the GOC's . We've not experienced the kin of situations you stated in your first paragraph, so you see how the coup plotters are always meticulous in their planning to reduce the risk of bloodshed.

There's no way any infantry troops can function efficiently without the support of some armoured columns in that kinda scenario.

Yes the powerful army divisions were Bonny Camp and Ikeja Cantonment..

The GOCs report to the Head of state through the COAS. The COAS oversees all Army formations. We did experience it during the orkar coup. Abacha rallied the GOCs when Dodan Barracks fell to the coupists. Even if gideon orkar had killed IBB, his case would have been like that of Dimka in 1976

GuyFawkes:
The COAS can be rendered useless if he doesn't have the loyalty of the GOC's . We've not experienced the kin of situations you stated in your first paragraph, so you see how the coup plotters are always meticulous in their planning to reduce the risk of bloodshed.

There's no way any infantry troops can function efficiently without the support of some armoured columns in that kinda scenario.

Yes the powerful army divisions were Bonny Camp and Ikeja Cantonment..

Bonny camp is now Bonny cantonment. Killing the head of state doesn't guarantee a successful coup as long as the COAS or CGS can rally all GOCs to be on the government side, the case of nzeogwu, ifeajuna, and co and that of Dimka comes to mind here.

The success of a coup depend solely on the loyalty and ability of the COAS or CGS to rally all the GOCs of relevant divisions. Abacha did and Ironsi did too.

dazangel11:
If buhari is the best apc can do then I really weep for Nigeria.

He did nothing as a military head. Of states with all his powers and young brain. How can he perform now? what changed?

I cant believe you typed this with a straight face.

What and what have you read about Buhari that made you conclude he didnt do anything while he was the head of state?

For your information dear, Buhari 20 months reign records excellent performance which is more than 15 years reign of PDP all put together.

If you dont know anything about Buhari, why cant you keep mute or rather learn from those that witnessed his reign or read about him than relying on some false information from deluded uncles in your village or where ever you heard that Buhari did nothing as the HOS.

FOLYKAZE:
I cant believe you typed this with a straight face.

What and what have you read about Buhari that made you conclude he didnt do anything while he was the head of state?

For your information dear, Buhari 2u0 months reign records excellent performance which is more than 15 years reign of PDP all put together.

If you dont know anything about Buhari, why cant you keep mute or rather learn from those that witnessed his reign or read about him than relying on some false information from deluded uncles in your village or where ever you heard that Buhari did nothing as the HOS.

My brother arguing with some people from a certain part of Nigeria is like pouring water in a basket and expecting it to get full.

They are trained and tuned to act in auto mode and can be gullible and easily stereotyped to believe whatever message their elites feed them. It should marvel you that their zone is the least developed and least populated in the country because they are quick to pack their bags and baggages to flee the poverty and lack of opportunity prevalent in their land occasioned by the choice of leaders they continually turn up and swallow every gibberish those leaders feed them.

Who in his right senses will compare a buhari and a jonaTAN except someone who is ignorant not ready to seek knowledge and is fed tales by moonlight by his forebears who have taught them to hate and lack objectivity in their reasoning.

This should dispel every doubt in the minds of people that Buhari cannot lead this nation in this turbulent times.

A head of state who knew a coup was being plotted against him and chose not to act to stop it because he hates shedding of blood.

What became of arresting and trying the perpetrators and if guilty jailing them?

So if elected to rule this nation and knowing BH wants to carve out their own country and kill all unbelievers and just because you hate shedding of blood will fail to act and allow them their own country?

I can't believe this. Am beginning to see a lot of flawed reasoning coming from this man.

In another desperate attempt to discredit Buhari, jokers are implying that the man is weak because he did not want unnecessary blood shed.

Well, I have news for you people, unlike GEJ who refused to use necessary force against BH because "they are our brothers" until recently, Buhari has no reservations about shedding blood when necessary.

Attempts to paint Buhari as a weakling because of this interview is weak at best. If Buhari is weak then the Otueke drunkard is as strong as the Dan Daudu gay guy who used to sell Akara down the road from my house.

pendy79:
The GOCs report to the Head of state through the COAS. The COAS oversees all Army formations. We did experience it during the orkar coup. Abacha rallied the GOCs when Dodan Barracks fell to the coupists. Even if gideon orkar had killed IBB, his case would have been like that of Dimka in 1976

For the fact IBB had recruited the GOC's into the plot means the COAS would have had a hard time rallying troops especially as he himself hadn't been in direct command of any formation in a while, I agree with you though.

The Orkar coup was different, did we have army commanders clashing ? That's the scenario i said we didn't experience. The most senior officer in the Orkar coup Major Mukoro was a military police officer. Most of the people they recruited were military retirees predominantly from benin city.

Dodan barracks was assaulted by armored vehicles seized from FRCN but IBB escaped so we can't say it fell since the principal occupant had been relocated.

pendy79:
Bonny camp is now Bonny cantonment. Killing the head of state doesn't guarantee a successful coup as long as the COAS or CGS can rally all GOCs to be on the government side, the case of nzeogwu, ifeajuna, and co and that of Dimka comes to mind here.

The success of a coup depend solely on the loyalty and ability of the COAS or CGS to rally all the GOCs of relevant divisions. Abacha did and Ironsi did too.

AGREED

papaejima1:
This should dispel every doubt in the minds of people that Buhari cannot lead this nation in this turbulent times.

A head of state who knew a coup was being plotted against him and chose not to act to stop it because he hates shedding of blood.

What became of arresting and trying the perpetrators and if guilty jailing them?

So if elected to rule this nation and knowing BH wants to carve out their own country and kill all unbelievers and just because you hate shedding of blood will fail to act and allow them their own country?

I can't believe this. Am beginning to see a lot of flawed reasoning coming from this man.

why not take the pain to read the interview and not judge the post based on the sentimental title the journalist gave it.
Buhari took on the Maitsatsine Cult group who like Boko Haram was an Islamist cult group, Buhari took on the Chadian Army for daring to attack and try to steal territories belonging to Nigeria.

Do you hear of Boko Boys, who without the training and skills of a professional Army has taken over large swipe of the same country, a swipe so big than the entire south east and south south joined together, and the house of your Chief of Defense Staff as their Operational Base. bUHARI took on the chadian Military defeated and pursue them up to Niger Republic and Libya to punish them for daring.

How is your present c-in-c handling the present territorial loss, he is in otuoke, showing off his PDP membership card and smiling for the camera.

Buhari need to go and sit down one place

pendy79:
why not take the pain to read the interview and not judge the post based on the sentimental title the journalist gave it.
Buhari took on the Maitsatsine Cult group who like Boko Haram was an Islamist cult group, Buhari took on the Chadian Army for daring to attack and try to steal territories belonging to Nigeria.

Do you hear of Boko Boys, who without the training and skills of a professional Army has taken over large swipe of the same country, a swipe so big than the entire south east and south south joined together, and the house of your Chief of Defense Staff as their Operational Base. bUHARI took on the chadian Military defeated and pursue them up to Niger Republic and Libya to punish them for daring.

How is your present c-in-c handling the present territorial loss, he is in otuoke, showing off his PDP membership card and smiling for the camera.

The question is did you really read the interview?
Did he really say he knew IBB was plotting against him?
Did he move to use legal bloodless means to frustrate the attempt?
Did he not realize that removing him from power would truncate his "good intentions" for the country?

Brother face the truth, the fact was that the coup was a welcome relief to him. He sought not to act because he couldnt bear the heat.

If 8uhari, a serving military officer and Head of State in a military junta was not powerful enough to control the army, how then do we expevt Jonathan, a complete "bloody" civilian to control them?

So Buhari did not want blood shed? What about the ones he shed during the genocide against Biafrans?

What about back dating a law just to kill? Okay, I understand it. He killed them to set example!

What about threatening the blood if election is "rigged"?

Excuse me sir, you are such a white wash.

GuyFawkes:
For the fact IBB had recruited the GOC's into the plot means the COAS would have had a hard time rallying troops especially as he himself hadn't been in direct command of any formation in a while, I agree with you though.

The Orkar coup was different, did we have army commanders clashing ? That's the scenario i said we didn't experience. The most senior officer in the Orkar coup Major Mukoro was a military police officer. Most of the people they recruited were military retirees predominantly from benin city.

Dodan barracks was assaulted by armored vehicles seized from FRCN but IBB escaped so we can't say it fell since the principal occupant had been relocated.

Buhari knew he was up against the elements because most of the GOCs where Soldiers who were involved in the overthrow of shagari and were rewarded with promotion, appointment and leadership of core military formations. Truly Idiagbon being around then wont have stopped the coup though he might have made it more difficult and bloody.

orkar's coup had echendu too who was a colonel then, their plan was to kill the head of state and some top military top brass, whip up popular support with their act to cut off some states from the Nigerian Entity and then take command and formations.

their plan was watery and not organised, they could not rally the middlebelt soldiers into their plot which was their achilles heel.

the way the military was structured then, no coup could succed except the core north was behind it.

papaejima1:
The question is did you really read the interview?
Did he really say he knew IBB was plotting against him?
Did he move to use legal bloodless means to frustrate the attempt?
Did he not realize that removing him from power would truncate his "good intentions" for the country?

Brother face the truth, the fact was that the coup was a welcome relief to him. He sought not to act because he couldnt bear the heat.

what legal bloodlesss means does he have? report him to the United Nations? please go and get properly enlightened and get know the way the military worked.
when a junior officer accost the Head of State and accost him that officers reported him, it is telling him point blank that we put you there, dont mess with us and him smelling the coffee knows what it means.

a military head of state controls no air, land or sea troops he relies on his GOCs, CGS and other Service Chiefs.

if as a military head, you lose the regards of your top commanders, it is either you are killed, retired or removed.

if in doubt, Ask Alafin Aole in Old oyo empire, ask thomas sankara in burkina faso, ask samuel doe in liberia , ask general achimpong in ghana etc. Buhari knew he came to power through IBB and company and they are properly placed.

Buhari has indicated in this interview that because he didn't like to shed blood they DELIBERATELY planned the 1983 coup to be bloodless. Yet his apologists are trying to exculpate him from the illegal, corrupt and criminal action that changed the destiny of this country negatively.


You guys cannot just spin this one. He is a coup plotter and he has confirmed it. We have heard from the horse's mouth. All your damage control cannot wash. Just that he succeeded with his boys. If not, he should have gone the way of Buka Dimka, Mamman Vasta and Gideon Orka.

noblezone:
If 8uhari, a serving military officer and Head of State in a military junta was not powerful enough to control the army, how then do we expevt Jonathan, a complete "bloody" civilian to control them?

So Buhari did not want blood shed? What about the ones he shed during the genocide against Biafrans?

What about back dating a law just to kill? Okay, I understand it. He killed them to set example!

What about threatening the blood if election is "rigged"?

Excuse me sir, you are such a white wash.

i think you need to get books not written by people of igbo extraction to know more and balance your view of your so call genocide.
Ojukwu got what he asked for and since your people were solidly behind him, it means you were ready to sink or swim with him.
there was no genocide in Nigeria, there was a civil war. If Ojukwu had won, im sure generations of igbos will be celebrating rather than crying over something you lots brought on yourself.

All these stories of threatening blood was addressed in the Vanguard Newpapers where Reuben Abati begged and apologized for the character assasination of the peoples general.

@tit

these are people's husbands, boy-friends, fathers, brothers and you mention their murder so glibly.

Reminds me of people's Children, Men (Fathers and husbands) and Women (wives and mothers) being killed and kidnapped in hundreds under the watch of our clueless C-in-C.

If that's your basis for unavoidable killings during a Military Regime coup takeover, then this current government scores very high in that aspect Mrs tit.

FOLYKAZE:
I cant believe you typed this with a straight face.

What and what have you read about Buhari that made you conclude he didnt do anything while he was the head of state?

For your information dear, Buhari 20 months reign records excellent performance which is more than 15 years reign of PDP all put together.

If you dont know anything about Buhari, why cant you keep mute or rather learn from those that witnessed his reign or read about him than relying on some false information from deluded uncles in your village or where ever you heard that Buhari did nothing as the HOS.

Sorry mr. I wasn't arround when he was HOS I didn't know he turned this country into heaven b4 he was booted out but his time has come and gone we need new faces not the same old reccycled shit

idumuose:
When i tell Buhari's supporters that he was part and parcel of the coup,theysaid i was lying.
He knew ibro was planning a coup against him and what action did he take? He acted like a tree

who heard it was going to be felled yet he stood there and did nothing.

Is it sheer laziness to read the post or sheer ignorance after reading the post. Please get enlightened first, then re-edit your comment.

dazangel11:
Sorry mr. I wasn't arround when he was HOS I didn't know he turned this country into heaven b4 he was booted out but his time has come and gone we need new faces not the same old reccycled shit

We are not getting any new faces Madam. We have to start accepting that now. In the end its going to be GEJ VS BUHARI and Buhari gets my vote without a doubt.

dazangel11:
Sorry mr. I wasn't arround when he was HOS I didn't know he turned this country into heaven b4 he was booted out but his time has come and gone we need new faces not the same old reccycled shit

if the present GEJ is the new faces, then that face is a face of corruption, inept, ineffective, clueless, sycophants loving, deaf, blind and a complete failure. we need no such face today. Failure has no place in present Nigeria

vote for who so ever you wanna vote, but fortunately democracy is a game of number. let every igbo from onitsha to mile 9 vote GEJ, he is going home to otueke in 2015.

ayukdaboss:
We are not getting any new faces Madam. We have to start accepting that now. In the end its going to be GEJ VS BUHARI and Buhari gets my vote without a doubt.

Well mine goes to GEJ he is the new. Buhari should retire and continue eating his pension money.

pendy79:
if the present GEJ is the new faces, then that face is a face of corruption, inept, ineffective, clueless, sycophants loving, deaf, blind and a complete failure. we need no such face today. Failure has no place in present Nigeria

vote for who so ever you wanna vote, but fortunately democracy is a game of number. let every igbo from onitsha to mile 9 vote GEJ, he is going home to otueke in 2015.

Is buhari not corrupt? Are all nigerian leaders both past and present not corrupt?

dazangel11:
Sorry mr. I wasn't arround when he was HOS I didn't know he turned this country into heaven b4 he was booted out but his time has come and gone we need new faces not the same old reccycled shit

If you werent born when he ruled that doesnt mean you should write false and unverified account about him.

You can hate him (maybe because on ethnic or religion) but that doesnt mean your should spread lies about him. Ignorance is not an excuse here. There are books out there which you can read and gather the truth from. A stop at the wikipedia is enough to find what he has achieved. I think you should do away with this dubious hearsay of yours.


And Miss, who is the young age person you want to see as the president? Why cant you campaign for the young person maybe that would gear him to pick a ticket for the presidency? And how do you think the new fella can do better than old ones? Do you know what they call experience?


The youth of this days are not focused. If you have a youth that can do the job, team up with him/her and pick a form.

Buhari has shown us he is ready for the job and we trust he will deliver. You either support him or continue looking for the new face. . . . .young pal who you think can do better.

One the serious account. . . . .stop spreading unverified and unconfirmed accounts. Use much of your effort on the man you want as the president rather than tarnishing another man's image with lies and hearsay

dazangel11:
Well mine goes to GEJ he is the new. Buhari should retire and continue eating his pension money.

With GEJs first term of serious looting and corruption, giving him another 4 years is disaster. He knows that's his last four years so he's not gonna give a damn. Another 4 Years of GEJ is total disaster to this country.

dazangel11:
Is buhari not corrupt? Are all nigerian leaders both past and present not corrupt?

it is pity that since 2003 that he has been contesting we keep hearing that question you posted? "is buhari not corrupt"

But isnt it funny that 11years after, we are still asking the action. "is buhari not corrupt"? but The FG with all the institutions it controls and the resources available to it has not been able to hang a single, just 1 single act of corruption on his neck?

can i ask you same question? is the GEJ government corrupt and encourages corruption?