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freeradical:
I understand the point of your arguement but you still dont get my point. The mutations that cause the abnormalities and diseases you mentioned above are so insignificantly small compared to what can be gotten from random permutation of a human genome with trillions of base pairs. If a mathematician can expound on that you get an infinitesimal combination of base pairs that cannot produce any meaningful life-form. Modern science can elucidate the structure of the human DNA but yet we cannot create a human de novo because there is something that seems to be lacking.

We are a product of our own actions in life. We make our own choices and God should not be blamed for anyone's misguided actions. So atheists and theist alike have been known to perpetrate evil for whatever reasons known to them. That premise is not enough to disprove the existence of God

Okay. I got your point too.
Now back to basic arguments then. So why will a PERFECT CHRISTIAN god allow those little but significant genetic errors? is he no more perfect, alpha& 9omega & omniscient/omnipotent? At the very beginning who created god or where did he come from? dont you then think the humble position of the Agnostic or even the Deist is more tenable than that of Christians who express an impetuous certainty concerning the existence of the bible god whose supposed holy book is so full of inconsistencies and outright lies? Many people in Asia sincerely believe in the existence of the god of jainism, does this verify its existence?

THE FEAR OF GOD IS THE BEGINNING OF WISDOM

freeradical:
Ofcourse the question will annoy you because it is meant to provoke you to think deeply and critically about your position about life itself.

same thing was said in the past about how rain fell, the cause of thunder and lightning, the cause of earthquake etc They had no knowledge of how those things happened so they attributed it to god(s) that had to be behinde those mysteries. They never knew about evaporation and condensation, about what happens when opposite charges meet in the cloud or outside the, about the explosion of heated air and the sound it makes, about what happens when the earth crust/block moves in the wrong way or slide over one another etc. The only explanation they had was god(s).


The same madness in Yoruba land. They killed twins because they thought they were evil, not until when Marry Slessor stopped their madness.

Same thing is happening today. Because they don't know how the universe started, they infer a god exists.

Madness.

freeradical:
I never said God is energy. I only mentioned that the first set of atomic or sub-atomic particles required energy to set the ball of all things in motion. I believe that energy was provided by God. Even the very atoms and fundaments of matter were created out of nothing by God. That is the only way all of all these will make sense. Thats the only viable explanation to how we got here. There was indeed a creator. We didnt just get here by chance or of our own doing bro. Some one of much higher soverignty, might and power put us on the face of this earth and it will do you well to seek him whilst he can still be found.

What/who then created God? How did He come to existence? Such designer shouldn't come by chance too!

Pr0ton:
While most of the questions here are directly to the Christians, all are to those who believe in one God.



Q1. Don't you think that your faith is God's hope of existence, and when everyone loses his faith God dies and becomes inexistent?

Q2."...and on this rock will I build my church, and the gate of hell shall not prevail agaisnt it"..."No weapon that is formed against you shall prevail" why then does Boko Haram prevail against the Christians in the North?

Q.3 God, the omniscient, knew some men would fall and go to hell. Why didn't He just create the good ones and leave the bad ones if truly "He doesn't want any to perish"?

Q4. If God is perfect and makes no mistakes, why does He regret/repent frequently in the Bible?

Q5. If light and darkness can't exist why do good and evil exist?

Q6. "I desire mercy, not sarifice", Hosea 6:6, why did He still sacrifice His Son for our sins?

Q7. If the penalty for sin is eternal torment in hell, then did Jesus really pay the penalty for sin?

Q2."...and on this rock will I build my church, and the gate of hell shall
not prevail agaisnt it"..."No weapon that is formed against you shall prevail" why then does Boko Haram prevail against the Christians in
the North?

Can you give me proof that the girls are born again christian? Bible say called on me and i will answer you, did they called on God while they were still safe?

Q.3 God, the omniscient, knew some men would fall and go to hell.
Why didn't He just create the good ones and leave the bad ones if truly
"He doesn't want any to perish"?


moral laws are consistent with the character of God. Therefore, the main purpose of the moral laws are to teach us what God requires for
us to enter into His kingdom. The moral laws also allow us to live with
each other on earth without hurting each other. In fact, if we all
perfectly fulfilled the moral laws of God, we would be in perfect
harmony with each other. Our failure to fulfill God's moral laws leads
us to seek Him as the source of our salvation.
So why doesn't God make everyone into perfect beings and allow
them all into heaven? It would actually be more cruel if God were to do this, since many people prefer hell to the alternative (complete
submission to God). All the people who end up going to hell will have
done so because they actually prefer hell to being forced into the
presence of God for all eternity. People like to live in their favorite sins
and answer to no one else. They know that if they accept Jesus as Lord
and Savior that God will want them to change their lives and they might have to give up some of their autonomy. In addition, there are missionaries throughout
the world proclaiming the good news of Jesus Christ and the salvation that He offers as a free gift. Although the gift is "free," it will cost you
your sin, selfishness, and pride. Since none of these character traits are
allowed into heaven, those who insist upon holding onto these traits cannot enter into heaven, but must be separated from God in a place called hell. Therefore, those who go to hell do so voluntarily, preferring hell to complete submission to a holy and just God.

dont worry mr satanist athiest,i will adress the rest,am busy now.

Pr0ton:
What/who then created God? How did He come to existence? Such designer shouldn't come by chance too!

Ju̶̲̥̲̣̅̊st passing tHo buh i sighted this post so i decided to branch!


I kept on thinking about this since i became matured and till today I've not gotten the answer ; God Tha̶̲̥̅̊t created all ŦhinƓs' who created him How did he come to existence

proton.
Q4. If God is perfect and makes no mistakes, why does He regret/repent frequently in the Bible?

According to the King James English translation, God "repented of the
evil which he thought to do unto his people." Does this mean that God
was thinking about sinning, but turned from that sin? Does God repent
from doing evil?

Repentance is the act of turning away from one's sin to righteous
behavior. As some skeptics have pointed out, the Bible says that God
has repented from doing evil: And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his
people. (Exodus 32:14) And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to
destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel
that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the
angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.
(2 Samuel 24:16)
Does this mean that God is a sinner and is in need of repentance? The
Bible is quite clear that God is not the author of evil and insists that He is incapable of doing so. Is this a contradiction?
Skeptics love the King James Translation so much, one would think that
they were still back in medieval England. Use of this translation is
problematic these days, since it uses an archaic version of modern
English, which doesn't necessarily mean the same things today as
when it was translated over 400 years ago. So the phrase "it repented
the Lord" does not mean that God repented from doing evil.

The King James English translation uses archaic English that
didn't have the same meaning 400 years ago as it does now.
So, the archaic translations indicating that God "repented" really
indicated that God was sorry or "changed His mind." Since God
never sins, He has no need of repentance. Some skeptics have
pointed out that an omniscient God should never change His mind, since He always should know what was going to happen. In
reality, God never changes His mind, but warns rebellious people to
give them the opportunity to change their minds before He judges
them.

Malvisguy212 when you are done notify me..









I'll be waiting

Malvisguy212

Ans.1

Now you talk of the born agains. Are you trying to say that among those thousands that were killed there is no single born again? Born again or not, they were Christians, Christ's followers (if not genuienly all). "And WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved"

And, are you saying there aint "born agains" who are praying for the 'salvation' of this people? If your saying that it's only the born agains' prayers that are accepted then there is no born again in Nigeria and in other part of the world.

Ans.2

I love your explanation bro. But following your explanation critically will only bring us back to the same question: "Why, since He knew all these would happen, didn't He just create the good ones and leave the bad ones if truly 'he is not willing that any should perish'"

Ans.3

My interpretation of repent is regret which is the true meaning of "shuwb" (to return) and metanoeo (change of mind). Question is... Why do we change our mind? Mistakes

Pr0ton:
Malvisguy212

Ans.1

Now you talk of the born agains. Are you trying to say that among those thousands that were killed there is no single born again? Born again or not, they were Christians, Christ's followers (if not genuienly all). "And WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved"

And, are you saying there aint "born agains" who are praying for the 'salvation' of this people? If your saying that it's only the born agains' prayers that are accepted then there is no born again in Nigeria and in other part of the world.

Ans.2

I love your explanation bro. But following your explanation critically will only bring us back to the same question: "Why, since He knew all these would happen, didn't He just create the good ones and leave the bad ones if truly 'he is not willing that any should perish'"

Ans.3

My interpretation of repent is regret which is the true meaning of "shuwb" (to return) and metanoeo (change of mind). Question is... Why do we change our mind? Mistakes

Ans.1
Now you talk of the born agains. Are you trying to say that among
those thousands that were killed there is no single born again? Born
again or not, they were Christians, Christ's followers (if not genuienly
all). "And WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be
saved"
am not God neither are you,you cant tell if they are born again or not,notwithstanding, everything happen for a reason,bible make it clear.God may take the life of a born again christians to save him from the plot of his enemy,God will take him home,but i strongly believe that a christians can never die in the hands of his enemy.

Ans.2
I love your explanation bro. But following your explanation critically
will only bring us back to the same question: "Why, since He knew all
these would happen, didn't He just create the good ones and leave the
bad ones if truly 'he is not willing that any should perish'"

Unfortunately, most people do not agree
that God's rules are good and do not want to live by them. In fact, the
vast majority of people want to run their own lives without submitting to God at all. Somehow, they feel that God will just let them
into heaven because they have behaved about as good, and maybe even better, compared to the rest of the people on earth.. In addition, people must be willing to allow God to prevent
them from sinning ever again.This means that people must be willing to submit fully to God's will in
order to get into heaven
Ans.3
My interpretation of repent is regret which is the true meaning of
"shuwb" (to return) and metanoeo (change of mind). Question is... Why
do we change our mind? Mistakes.
God gave you the freewill to chose,and you chose to rebel against him, you must know this, if satan can be able to convince half of the angels to go against God, he can do the same to mankind, infact the war in heaven continue here, satan and his angels has been defected,they enter the earth recrute humanswhich is called demons to fight God. Even you, you are amoungg the soldier of satan but you dont know.

Am busy now, i will adress the rest post tonight.

Malvisguy212...


Res to ans.1

Your response doesn't make sense at all..
"God may take the life of a born again christians to save him from the plot of his enemy"

He was killed by his enemy. How then did "God save him from the plot of his enemy"?


Res to ans.2

You see... No matter how you argue over this, you will still be challenged by the same question, "If He is not willing that any should perish why did He create those that will, however, end up in hell"? He knew this from the beginning. Or are you telling me that it's will that some should perish?


Res to ans.3

Your moving out of my question here. My point is we all regret/change our mind because we make mistakes, and that's because we are not perfect. If God is perfect why does He regret what He does, like when He regreted that He created man?








And the war was too tough for God to overcome and destroy in heaven so He had to transfer it here... How does He expect us to overcome a war He couldn't overcome?

Pr0ton:
While most of the questions here are directly to the Christians, all are to those who believe in one God.



Q1. Don't you think that your faith is God's hope of existence, and when everyone loses his faith God dies and becomes inexistent?

Q2."...and on this rock will I build my church, and the gate of hell shall not prevail agaisnt it"..."No weapon that is formed against you shall prevail" why then does Boko Haram prevail against the Christians in the North?

Q.3 God, the omniscient, knew some men would fall and go to hell. Why didn't He just create the good ones and leave the bad ones if truly "He doesn't want any to perish"?

Q4. If God is perfect and makes no mistakes, why does He regret/repent frequently in the Bible?

Q5. If light and darkness can't exist why do good and evil exist?

Q6. "I desire mercy, not sarifice", Hosea 6:6, why did He still sacrifice His Son for our sins?

Q7. If the penalty for sin is eternal torment in hell, then did Jesus really pay the penalty for sin?

Q1. Don't you think that your faith is God's hope of existence, and
when everyone loses his faith God dies and becomes inexistent?

God dos not need humans to exist,God cannot die,bible make us to understand that before humans begin to exist, God is liveth.so this question dos not make sense.

malvisguy212:
Q1. Don't you think that your faith is God's hope of existence, and
when everyone loses his faith God dies and becomes inexistent?

God dos not need humans to exist,God cannot die,bible make us to understand that before humans begin to exist, God is liveth.so this question dos not make sense.

It really does.



Long back then, there was no concept of God. People lived a normal life without the knowledge of a Supreme Being. Later, a need of a God arose. Man started to create God, wrote books about Him. They needed a god who would be their shoulder to cry on. They needed an invisible god to scare those evil doers. Gradually, the NT writers even invented a more horrific God who would burn you in hell for eternity if you don't accept Him. He was taken by faith... and when all of us loses our faith, God will be nowhere to be found. We will all forget Him and then go back to thelife we once used to live: a life with no knowledge of God. That's how god(s) die(s)

Pr0ton:
It really does.



Long back then, there was no concept of God

this comment dos not make sense bro, when was this period?

malvisguy212:
this comment dos not make sense bro, when was this period?

Long when modern humans started to evolve from Homo heidelbergensis... about 200,000 years ago

urheme:
Am surprise you are still thinking about me, so you have a bible definition of God and u want me to come and prove it wrong, is now am getting you clearly.

Sorry
Am not a bible fan, am not armed with any possible definition from any holy book that i will waste my time disproving.

Your problem is that you think you are too intelligent, you are a proud mumu.

Thanks for following me up as usual as we often end up in a fight and this one does not look exceptional.

It is your head and your mother's own that is full of poo, rubbish!!!

Really? at least I and my mother don't say "I believe in God of the Bible but disbelieve the Bible"
You have a problem work on ur confused state already.
Jst revert to paganism and get ur head out of the poo it is in right now

Giitheon:
God can't certainly decern for men...wen he created adam nd eve...he simply gave dem a choice...believe me broda God really exists nd to think he doesn't isn't reasonable.....even science can't give an accurate answer to hw d earth evolved...but if u tk a deeper luk around u even without reading d bible u'll understand dat complex humans lyk us didn't jst emerge frm beasts....hence God exists

What is the proof that we originate from adam

Giitheon:
remember job......God allowed it so he can finally create a world wer only doz dat r obedient wuld live in......its as simple as dat..

Its not as simple as that.. It only raise more questions. Cos adam and eve we clean and would never need to commit sin..

ifeness:
There goes the threats and blackmail. If i wanna seek God,i will visit the less privileged Gods in the hospital or i can chill at home in the comfort of my Godly bed.

Isn't God everywhere, the Sun,Moon,Stars are the Gods are see every night. What else do you want me to seek for?

I'm sorry if u felt threatened by dat post. There is not threat in choice of serving God. The God I serve is all wise and in his wisdom he will judge every man not the way we humans think. Just do d little good u can. Don't see God as sumone who lays in wait to torment ur soul. Rather see him as the force that is behind everyting dat is good.
True God is more present in his creatures than in anyting else so always see God in ur neighbour and continue being charitable. Afterall Christ gave us an idea of how we will b judged and charity is key. Remember when I was hungry u gave me to eat....

freeradical:
I'm sorry if u felt threatened by dat post. There is not threat in choice of serving God. The God I serve is all wise and in his wisdom he will judge every man not the way we humans think. Just do d little good u can. Don't see God as sumone who lays in wait to torment ur soul. Rather see him as the force that is behind everyting dat is good.
True God is more present in his creatures than in anyting else so always see God in ur neighbour and continue being charitable. Afterall Christ gave us an idea of how we will b judged and charity is key. Remember when I was hungry u gave me to eat....

Go ahead and be a servant. I SERVE NO ONE

Pr0ton:
Long when modern humans started to evolve from Homo heidelbergensis... about 200,000 years ago

i thought you are serious.

iamord:
What is the proof that we originate from adam

doesn't it mk sense...GOD created a man nd a woman...they gave birth 2 children...nd xo on till 2day... Or wat is more reasonable dan dat?

macof:
Really? at least I and my mother don't say "I believe in God of the Bible but disbelieve the Bible"
You have a problem work on ur confused state already.
Jst revert to paganism and get ur head out of the poo it is in right now

macof soliciting for members,
you cannot recruit followers into your shrine by bullying, try compassionate pagan evangelism and you will thank me in six months time

ifeness:
Go ahead and be a servant. I SERVE NO ONE

Really.....hmmm. I just hope you dont go to work because if you do you a already a servant to your employer. If you can stoop low to serve a man like you why not the soverign creator of all things

Kay17:
That is inconsistent with the Adam and Eve story of creating Evil into the world. the typical Christian excuse for evil in the world is traced to Adam and Eve; and we are led to understand that Sin when brought into the world made us humans flawed and as a consequence we have flawed actions.

Adam and Eve in exercising their free will disobeyed God and that is what led to sin and evil on earth. Though they were led into this sin by the serpent(satan) but that doesnt mean they created evil. Sin had it's consequences on man because the bible made us understand it brought with it hardship and death. God didnt create robots so when Adam and Eve disobeyed God we shouldn't blame God for an action he didnt take.

Kay17:
So it is by faith you believe God exists, since the data is not present, right?

Faith and my personal conviction which is a product of my life experiences. You know its also by faith that you take it that there is no God....if not can you disprove his existence with empirical evidence?

freeradical:
Really.....hmmm. I just hope you dont go to work because if you do you a already a servant to your employer. If you can stoop low to serve a man like you why not the soverign creator of all things

A job is different from serving someone for no reward. There is a contract and agreement signed for a visible and realistic reward.

I work and I also have people working for me. I pay them otherwise I would be working alone.

Your case is worship and praise to a deity for a reward that is unrealistic.

freeradical:
Faith and my personal conviction which is a product of my life experiences. You know its also by faith that you take it that there is no God....if not can you disprove his existence with empirical evidence?

Freeradical, your tone seem to change from the over assured objective stance to the timid subjective. Because you seem to declare a universal fact that God exists and his existence is universally perceivable but now the Universal God is reduced to a product of your subjective and personal experiences. Isn't it more accurate that this God is your God and not everyone else' ?!

freeradical:
Adam and Eve in exercising their free will disobeyed God and that is what led to sin and evil on earth. Though they were led into this sin by the serpent(satan) but that doesnt mean they created evil. Sin had it's consequences on man because the bible made us understand it brought with it hardship and death. God didnt create robots so when Adam and Eve disobeyed God we shouldn't blame God for an action he didnt take.

Let me get you right, is Evil the consequence of Sin or the consequence of punishment by God? Note the entirety of Genesis 3.

urheme:

macof soliciting for members,
you cannot recruit followers into your shrine by bullying, try compassionate pagan evangelism and you will thank me in six months time

jst revert to the ways of ur ancestors, it gives a less confusing state of mind

plaetton:
This is not true.
In the bible, god is known to have made choices for people.
For example. In Genesis or Exodus, can't remember which , god supposedly hardened the heart of pharaoh in order that he may use it to destroy him.
This is remarkable. God made Pharaoh to make a bad choice, a choice that god now used as excuse to punish same Pharaoh.
This is the best biblical evidence that free will is not free.
Somewhere else in the bible, god also says" is there no evil in the land that the Lord has not done it".
This implies that the Lord is the author and architect of all evil in the hearts and minds of men.
Where is the freewill to do good when the lord overrides and hardens your heart towards evil?

Please answer.

In addition to that, there are several other cases like Jonah in the big fish and the arrest of the later to be Apostle Paul. I can't see how this is different from me kidnapping someone and then going on to give the person some conditions on what to do to get his freedom. If he doesn't, I'll end up giving him a harsher punishment. At the end I'll now claim that it was a choice the person made? It wasn't by force?