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tpia6:
i wonder. as if "steady decline" is considered a good thing?

A steady decline is indeed good for American taxpayers but not for the big wigs in the prison system. Less prisoners - less money.

black247:
I agree with his position and what Patriot4 is saying. I think he is presenting his argument impeccably. I will present why I feel so below.

It may seem as though I am contradicting him because I agree with you on the following point, but Im not:

For now, I believe that Africans cant compare progress with a minority group - even if they are genetically our cousins:

Just wanted to respond on the basis of what I have learned (historical reference to liberia is what I mean here) and perhaps you can correct me with any details that I am overlooking because: comparing a minority group in a white run country to a black ran country in it of itself is a red herring. That is like us comparing our continent to the caribbean islands. What he was "comparing" was a white run country benefitting from exploiting black African bodies, in my humble opinion. And everything that you see - there, in my opinion, is because of the continuous exploitation of African men and women - so there is no golden mecca that OP was going to...If it is a mecca it has African blood in every crevice.

You will see why I put quotes around comparing.

Just wanted to add what I learned recently:

Liberia - the natives in Liberia kicked some of them (AA) out, didn't want them and called them unAfrican. Many African Americans came back to the US disillusioned, not liking Africa or what it could bring. I have to get the mans name that fled for his life. Ive been studying the diaspora, the only thing I have to study next is Belize and Haiti. As far as Liberia? The ones that were the sell outs, they (our liberian family) made deals with them..and had the mulattos and former house negroes run their country - kicking out those that thought like Marcus Garvey, someone who is more astute in this subject will give me the name of the man they kicked out, for they thought the Marcus Garvey talk was not beneficial. There was a group that said they were from the Congo..and if i am not mistaken, they were not accepted either. There are three different groups..I believe. The Liberians let the sell outs run the country until the 80s. Yet, they told the pan africans to get lost. I hope someone will give a decent amendment including the timelines and names.

For proper comparison of progress, imo, we should compare ourselves to India - and we are doing much better. Our colonial circumstances are much more similar to India. I would have to pull up a world global report, but if my memory didnt fail me - we had very positive key indicators that showed us excelling..

I am learning a true metric for AA progress is in comparison to their Caribbean Islanders brothers and sisters (which is our brothers and sisters too - to me, they all are) as they were all enslaved the same. Yet, the good man patriot4 in my opinion wasnt offering a comparative analysis, he was offering a critical analysis of that country (the US) and the men and women who were once African..how they are doing, what rights are removed, and what they are still fighting for. For example, if the OP was to say that he was happy to be in Australia...what about the exploitation of the aboriginees? But a better comparison for me would be if the OP said he was moving to France ..or a middle eastern country..they too benefited from us being totally destabilized.

But a perfect comparison and actual illustration in this thread is to show how the US feels about not only AAS but black Africans - period, hence the anti-black laws should be examined, and contrasted. And I think he (patroit4) did just that, in my humble opinion. He illustrated disparities, further offering a critical analysis of the united states as it deals with black African bodies. Further, he pointed out not just by race relations, he illustrated via foreign policies ie Obama.

I also think the OP was trying to awaken us so that we create critical initiatives because I believe one of our brothers is right, immigration has a ceremony and approval at specific times per year. His other thread offered solutions, but even if his accounts were fictional to prove a point, Im glad we all participated..for there is someone out there - that thinks like what he pretended to be, I guarantee it.

In the words of Bill Cosby:

"No matter what I've achieved, I'm still seen as 'entertainment ' for the white man and that's how he likes it. The biggest threat to a white man is an educated black man. As long as black folks sing, tap dance and act a fool for the white man, he's cool. But as soon as the black man aspires to be more than a shucking and jiving nig-er, the white folks start panicking."

THE TRUTH HURTS!

zboyd:
In the words of Bill Cosby:

"No matter what I've achieved, I'm still seen as 'entertainment ' for the white man and that's how he likes it. The biggest threat to a white man is an educated black man. As long as black folks sing, tap dance and act a fool for the white man, he's cool. But as soon as the black man aspires to be more than a shucking and jiving nig-er, the white folks start panicking."

Teach It! Teach It! So true!

patriot4:
Look, I come from a familly with a lot of succesful family members in different locations, it is all about hard work, wherever you are and especialley in Nigeria. My uncle who went back to Nigeria told my father he regretted not using his money to open his own business in Nigeria rather than making the airline company fatter with his life earnings and suffering just to be recognized as a man with rights to live in a foreign land. How many Africans have I seen become crazy or beggars or prostitues in europe. Most of them had a lot of money which they used to buy the plane ticket, instead of opening their own business at home and making the country better for themselves and for the unborn. And for your info, my uncle was granted a scholarship in the USA while he was refused in the prestigious Nigerian university he wanted (in those days Nigerian universities were top notch, and they will become like that in the near future). If he hhad studied in Nigeria and had been offered a job in a hospital in Nigeria, he would have refused the US offer. he was just not good enough back then, because the level was very high in Nigeria. (My uncle's first choice wasn't even medecin, I can't remember what it was though, i need to ask him on the phone the next time I talk to him.)

u failed to answer my question concerning foreign companies that are enslaving us in our own country....like i said earlier,u brother knows what is gud for him dat is d reason y he stayed in the US.........

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Pasca07:
u failed to answer my question concerning foreign companies that are enslaving us in our own country....like i said earlier,u brother knows what is gud for him dat is d reason y he stayed in the US.........

I think you might have confused Nigeria with apartheid south africa. I have never heard of a Nigerian complaining about his work in a foreign company.
We are trying to develop the country and for that we are learning from the foreign companies like china did. Eko Atlantic is being built by private funds and a foreign company with largely nierian labour for example. Nigeria is not south africa, we are not under apartheid.

Patriot4, I am curious to know if you ever been out of Nigeria. If yes, where have you traveled to?

TheCongo:
Patriot4, I am curious to know if you ever been out of Nigeria. If yes, where have you traveled to?

France, England,Germany and Norway, ivory coast, Benin Republic, Togo.

patriot4:
France, England,Germany and Norway, ivory coast, Benin Republic, Togo.

I am surprised that someone with a rich travel history like you can believe that the US citizenship is just a meaningless piece of paper.

When you travel as a US citizen, even strangers are happy to see you, they want to talk to you and to be friends with you. Immigration and customer officers tell you with huge smile "America, Welcome".
The majority of people around the globe view the US citizenship is a goldmine. Even my 2 year old son marvels at the sound of the wording "US citizen". My little boy knows that the US citizenship ain't something to joke about. But here come Patriot4 sitting behind his computer and typing "the US citizenship is a meaningless piece of paper". My brother, are you for real !!!

If you aren't one of the richest Africans, then I would start to suspect that your Nigeria patriotism on this post is motivated by Jealousy. You may just be jealous to see the OP achieve something that the majority of people are dreaming of. It is only a African billionaire who can say a US citizenship is a meaningless piece of paper.

Thecongo, I have the feeling we are not the same kind of people and we do not operate at the same level in life.
I have a busy life and I can't be giving arguments here for ever, I actually have to read books.
If US citizenship is the st grale to you and your two year old child then so be it.
I have the feeling I have upset you with too much reality about the US.
I am sorry that it pains you that I am proud of being a Nigerian. So sorry !
I am sorry that my job plan doesn't require US citizenship. So sorry !
I am sorry that black US citizens are treated like second and third class citizens in the US. So sorry.
I have more pressing matters than discussing about the "US citizenship" and my main talk here was about unity among black people.
I am an adult and I prefer to talk about important things.

IF you have more pressing matter than discussing about the US citizenship, then you should have stay away from this thread from the onset.
I just don't believe that you meant what you wrote. Anyone can come online pretending to be what they are not. In your case, I am convinced you are pretending that you don't care about the US citizenship. I am sure that if you were given a free ticket to be a US citizen, chances are you would jump on the opportunity in a heartbeat.

By the way, I am not a US citizen and I don't live in the US. My job doesn't require US citizenship. I am satisfied with my life. Nevertheless, I value the US citizenship and I am glad that the OP had acquired the US citizenship.

I am sure deep down in your heart, you know that the US citizenship ain't something to joke with. Anyway, keep pretending. This is the internet. The reality is that we don't know how many times your application for US visa has been declined and how much money you have lost trying to get a US visa.

TheCongo:
I am surprised that someone with a rich travel history like you can believe that the US citizenship is just a meaningless piece of paper.

When you travel as a US citizen, even strangers are happy to see you, they want to talk to you and to be friends with you. Immigration and customer officers tell you with huge smile "America, Welcome".
The majority of people around the globe view the US citizenship is a goldmine. Even my 2 year old son marvels at the sound of the wording "US citizen". My little boy knows that the US citizenship ain't something to joke about. But here come Patriot4 sitting behind his computer and typing "the US citizenship is a meaningless piece of paper". My brother, are you for real !!!

If you aren't one of the richest Africans, then I would start to suspect that your Nigeria patriotism on this post is motivated by Jealousy. You may just be jealous to see the OP achieve something that the majority of people are dreaming of. It is only a African billionaire who can say a US citizenship is a meaningless piece of paper.

My brother. You still dey answer that guy. He sounds more like someone that has been refused US visa several times, hence the hate. Alot of Nigerians in Europe apply for US visa and they still get bounced. I lived in the UK so i know alot of things happening there.

You can also see how he was contradicting himself concerning his Uncle based in America. I checked mate him when I reminded him his uncle had a green card. And a green card holder has almost same privilege as a US citizen except maybe getting some high level gov security jobs. Then he kept posting some videos about African Americans in US jail. He forgot those were African Americans and not highly educated African Migrants who are doing well in professional jobs.

Most of the so called Nigerian billionaires and their children even have dual citizenship status, so they won't even say that the US citizenship is a piece of paper. I know some of them here in Nigeria.

"Africans who come to the U.S. are statistically
more successful than African Americans and they think
'if I could do it, why not them?'" she wrote.
American society holds that same view as well. A 2007
study covered by the Washington Post found that a
quarter of black students admitted to elite colleges were
African immigrants, though they only represented 13
percent of America's college-age black population. The
study's authors several theories on why black
immigrants do better, including "to white observers
black immigrants seem more polite, less hostile, more
solicitous and 'easier to get along with.' Native blacks
are perceived in precisely the opposite fashion."

Africans have the highest educational attainment rates of
any immigrant group in the United States with higher levels
of completion than the stereotyped Asian American model
minority. It is not only the first generation that does well, as
estimates indicate that a highly disproportionate percentage
of black students at elite universities are African or the
children of African immigrants.

Of the African-born population in the United States age 25
and older, 86.4% reported having a high school degree or
higher, compared with 78. 9% of Asian born immigrants and
76.5% of European born immigrants, respectively. These
figures contrast with 61.8% percent of the total foreign-born
population.

Still surprised how Obama became a US president before an African American

http://www.atlnightspots.com/african-immigrants-have-the-highest-academic-achievement-in-the-us/

A United States of America-based Nigerian lecturer, Prof.
Ilesanmi Adesida, has become the first black man to be
appointed the Provost/Vice-Chancellor for Academic Affairs
at the University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign, United
States of America.
Born in 1949 at Ifon, a town in Ondo State, Adesida, a
professor of Electronic Engineering with outstanding works
in nanotechnology, was appointed by the search committee
of the institution on May 31, this year.
His appointment, according to a statement placed on the
website of the institution, took effect from August 15 this
year.
Before his appointment, Adesida was the Dean, College of
Engineering of the institution.

http://www.punchng.com/education/nigerian-becomes-first-black-vc-in-american-varsity/

It’s always wonderful to hear news of Nigerians doing great
things in the diaspora. That is why at Bellanaija.com, we
are very proud of Emmanuel Ohuabunwa , a 22 year-old
Nigerian who has made history at John Hopkins University ,
United States of America.

But his breakthrough came when he won the Bill and
Melinda Gates Foundation full scholarship to any University
of his choice. He worked hard and gained admission to
Johns Hopkins University to study Neurosciences.

Emmanuel, who hails from Abia State was adjudged as
having the highest honours during the graduation that was
held on May 24 this year. He made a Grade Point Average
of 3.98 out of 4.0 to bag a degree in Neurosciences in the
University.
For his efforts, he has won a scholarship to Yale University
to pursue a degree in Medicine.
Besides, he has been inducted into Phi Beta Kappa Society,
a prestigious honour group that features membership of 17
US Presidents, 37 US Supreme Court Justices, and 136
Nobel Prize winners.

I wonder how he was able to achieve such a great feat despite having racist lecturers... hmmm.


http://www.bellanaija.com/2012/06/26/great-nigerian-in-the-diaspora-22-year-old-emmanuel-ohuabunwa-emerges-as-best-graduating-student-from-john-hopkins-university-with-his-3-98-gpa/

saxywale:
My brother. You still dey answer that guy. He sounds more like someone that has been refused US visa several times, hence the hate. Alot of Nigerians in Europe apply for US visa and they still get bounced. I lived in the UK so i know alot of things happening there.

You can also see how he was contradicting himself concerning his Uncle based in America. I checked mate him when I reminded him his uncle had a green card. And a green card holder has almost same privilege as a US citizen except maybe getting some high level gov security jobs. Then he kept posting some videos about African Americans in US jail. He forgot those were African Americans and not highly educated African Migrants who are doing well in professional jobs.

Most of the so called Nigerian billionaires and their children even have dual citizenship status, so they won't even say that the US citizenship is a piece of paper. I know some of them here in Nigeria.

Any reasonable person knows that the US citizenship ain't no joke.
Someone has to be very unreasonable to reduce the mighty US citizenship to a piece of paper.
Yes, it is a piece of paper that can spell the difference between life and death.

black247:
I agree with his position and what Patriot4 is saying. I think he is presenting his argument impeccably. I will present why I feel so below.

It may seem as though I am contradicting him because I agree with you on the following point, but Im not:

For now, I believe that Africans cant compare progress with a minority group - even if they are genetically our cousins:

Just wanted to respond on the basis of what I have learned (historical reference to liberia is what I mean here) and perhaps you can correct me with any details that I am overlooking because: comparing a minority group in a white run country to a black ran country in it of itself is a red herring. That is like us comparing our continent to the caribbean islands. What he was "comparing" was a white run country benefitting from exploiting black African bodies, in my humble opinion. And everything that you see - there, in my opinion, is because of the continuous exploitation of African men and women - so there is no golden mecca that OP was going to...If it is a mecca it has African blood in every crevice.

You will see why I put quotes around comparing.

Just wanted to add what I learned recently:

Liberia - the natives in Liberia kicked some of them (AA) out, didn't want them and called them unAfrican. Many African Americans came back to the US disillusioned, not liking Africa or what it could bring. I have to get the mans name that fled for his life. Ive been studying the diaspora, the only thing I have to study next is Belize and Haiti. As far as Liberia? The ones that were the sell outs, they (our liberian family) made deals with them..and had the mulattos and former house negroes run their country - kicking out those that thought like Marcus Garvey, someone who is more astute in this subject will give me the name of the man they kicked out, for they thought the Marcus Garvey talk was not beneficial. There was a group that said they were from the Congo..and if i am not mistaken, they were not accepted either. There are three different groups..I believe. The Liberians let the sell outs run the country until the 80s. Yet, they told the pan africans to get lost. I hope someone will give a decent amendment including the timelines and names.

For proper comparison of progress, imo, we should compare ourselves to India - and we are doing much better. Our colonial circumstances are much more similar to India. I would have to pull up a world global report, but if my memory didnt fail me - we had very positive key indicators that showed us excelling..

I am learning a true metric for AA progress is in comparison to their Caribbean Islanders brothers and sisters (which is our brothers and sisters too - to me, they all are) as they were all enslaved the same. Yet, the good man patriot4 in my opinion wasnt offering a comparative analysis, he was offering a critical analysis of that country (the US) and the men and women who were once African..how they are doing, what rights are removed, and what they are still fighting for. For example, if the OP was to say that he was happy to be in Australia...what about the exploitation of the aboriginees? But a better comparison for me would be if the OP said he was moving to France ..or a middle eastern country..they too benefited from us being totally destabilized.

But a perfect comparison and actual illustration in this thread is to show how the US feels about not only AAS but black Africans - period, hence the anti-black laws should be examined, and contrasted. And I think he (patroit4) did just that, in my humble opinion. He illustrated disparities, further offering a critical analysis of the united states as it deals with black African bodies. Further, he pointed out not just by race relations, he illustrated via foreign policies ie Obama.

I also think the OP was trying to awaken us so that we create critical initiatives because I believe one of our brothers is right, immigration has a ceremony and approval at specific times per year. His other thread offered solutions, but even if his accounts were fictional to prove a point, Im glad we all participated..for there is someone out there - that thinks like what he pretended to be, I guarantee it.

First, my disagreement was not with the OP's stance but Patriot4's. Within all his/her rhetoric about African unity, he's still carrying that monkey on his back regarding AAs and the myths and misconceptions about AAs. This was the very reason I didn't go off on a poster that asked: "Do they marry overseas?" Why blame this poster? If all s/he sees is all the negatives and has never traveled out of his/her country, why come down on them? The negatives and hearsay is their only frame of reference. That's why I answered: "Yes, they marry overseas." This was a teachable moment - not a moment to get all hot, bothered and offended.

Second, I have NEVER considered immigrants, African or otherwise, cowards, disloyal or unpatriotic for seeking greener pastures outside their native countries. I only object to illegal immigrants thinking they can waltz into another country and feel they're entitled to the same treatment citizens and legal immigrants receive. And to be honest, over here, the loudest voices of protest against illegal immigration are legal immigrants, not the citizens of the host countries.

Third, when those with means would rather fly off to another country for medical treatment or choose to send off their own children for schooling in another country, something is seriously wrong.

Fourth, citizenship in another country never changes who you are. It just changes your status. Over here, in the States, especially in Texas, California and Illinois, African immigrants may be American citizens on paper but most retain their African roots, within the law, of course.

Ask yourself this: If a huge cruise ship docked in Nigeria, guaranteeing all comers a chance of a better life outside of Nigeria, what do you think the response would be?

It's senseless denigrating Nigerians who seek greener pastures elsewhere.

Celebrate - not denigrate.

Leave them be.

On the flipside...if the Nigerian government wants to evolve into a true "Giant of Africa", it would behoove the Nigerian government to sit up and take serious notice of the 'brain drain'. It is driving out its best and brightest stars. Best it come correct.

zboyd:
First, my disagreement was not with the OP's stance but Patriot4's. Within all his/her rhetoric about African unity, he's still carrying that monkey on his back regarding AAs and the myths and misconceptions about AAs. This was the very reason I didn't go off on a poster that asked: "Do they marry overseas?" Why blame this poster? If all s/he sees is all the negatives and has never traveled out of his/her country, why come down on them? The negatives and hearsay is their only frame of reference. That's why I answered: "Yes, they marry overseas." This was a teachable moment - not a moment to get all hot, bothered and offended.

Second, I have NEVER considered immigrants, African or otherwise, cowards, disloyal or unpatriotic for seeking green pastures outside their native countries. I only object to illegal immigrants thinking they can waltz into another country and feel they're entitled to the same treatment citizens and legal immigrants receive. And to be honest, over here, the loudest voices of protest against illegal immigration are legal immigrants, not the citizens of the host countries.

Third, when those with means would rather fly off to another country for medical treatment or choose to send off their own children for schooling in another country, something is seriously wrong.

Fourth, citizenship in another country never changes who you are. It just changes your status. Over here, in the States, especially in Texas, California and Illinois, African immigrants may be American citizens on paper but most retain their African roots, within the law, of course.

Ask yourself this: If a huge cruise ship docked in Nigeria, guaranteeing all comers a chance of a better life outside of Nigeria, what do you think the response would be?

It's senseless denigrating Nigerians who seek greener pastures elsewhere.

Celebrate - not hate.

Leave them be.

On the flipside...if the Nigerian government wants to evolve into a true "Giant of Africa", it would behoove the Nigerian to sit up and take serious notice of the 'brain drain' that it is driving out it's best and brightest and come correct or suffer the dire consequences.

Nice one.

saxywale:
"Africans who come to the U.S. are statistically
more successful than African Americans and they think
'if I could do it, why not them?'" she wrote.
American society holds that same view as well. A 2007
study covered by the Washington Post found that a
quarter of black students admitted to elite colleges were
African immigrants, though they only represented 13
percent of America's college-age black population. The
study's authors several theories on why black
immigrants do better, including "to white observers
black immigrants seem more polite, less hostile, more
solicitous and 'easier to get along with.' Native blacks
are perceived in precisely the opposite fashion."

What you are inadvertently describing is the 'Good Negro - Bad Negro' Syndrome.

Currently, in the U.S. the 'Good Negros', (African immigrants) are more welcomed and accepted than the 'Bad Negros' (Natïve Blacks).

The Powers That Be (White Men In Power) consider African immigrants 'Good Negros'. Good Negroes (African immigrants) have no grouse and or history with America.

'Bad Negros' (native Blacks) have a bucket load of grouses and centuries of history with the White Powers That Be.

Why?

The White Powers That Be don't have to experience the collective guilt of the shameful past of slavery in America, when it comes to African immigrants.

With the descendants of AAs, the White Powers That Be are constantly reminded of the dark days of this slice of American history and they don't like to be reminded of it.

As for the African immigrants, some play into the hands of the White Powers That Be and get royally screwed.

Why?

Because they think they're special - unlike the Bad Negros.

Result: When it comes down to it, your degrees, your expertise in some area doesn't make a difference with the Powers That Be.

You're still a ni-gger and they will make sure you 'stay in your place'.

Over here, as a ni-gger, you will only be allowed to fly so high, no matter where you're from.

saxywale:
Still surprised how Obama became a US president before an African American?

Because his mother was white. Over here, children with a white parent were always thought to better and more intelligent than those with two Black parents.

zboyd:
Because his mother was white. Over here, children with a white parent were always though to better and more intelligent than those with two Black parents.

No you are wrong. I have lived in Europe and America for years as a professional worker and can tell you that once you are mixed. You are considered black. Alot of AA are mixed anyway and not 100% black so how does that make any difference? And have you wondered why a mixed race is more acceptable to a black family than the other way round

In America, anyone has a higher chance of becoming whatever he / she wants to become in life. America is a country of immigrants unlike the EU.

At the end of the day, you are what you think of yourself. If you keep on dwelling in the past or see racism or discrimination in most activities of your life, then you are limiting yourself. Obama's dad is Kenyan, the name Obama is not Anglo-saxon sounding, he is not even a descendant of an African american, yet he excelled in his career and political ambition. He could have decided to let thoughts of racism hold him down, but he is not a pessimist.

If all the professionals( of African descents) and children of African immigrants doing well in the US always think of racism, would they be where they are now?

zboyd:
What you are inadvertently describing is the 'Good Negro - Bad Negro' Syndrome.

Currently, in the U.S. the 'Good Negros', (African immigrants) are more welcomed and accepted than the 'Bad Negros' (Natïve Blacks).

I have seen the ones you call bad negro excelling in their career too, that is if they do not decide to resign from an high-flying career to join the p.orn Industry. I have also seen children of some African migrants do bad stuffs..So where did you get that classification of a good/bad negro from?

The Powers That Be (White Men In Power) consider African immigrants 'Good Negros'. Good Negroes (African immigrants) have no grouse and or history with America.

Conspiracy theories. What the hell is ''The Powers That Be (White Men In Power)''. Do you mean people like Bill gates or Carlos Slim

'Bad Negros' (native Blacks) have a bucket load of grouses and centuries of history with the White Powers That Be.

Why?

The White Powers That Be don't have to experience the collective guilt of the shameful past of slavery in America, when it comes to African immigrants.

With the descendants of AAs, the White Powers That Be are constantly reminded of the dark days of this slice of American history and they don't like to be reminded of it.

As for the African immigrants, some play into the hands of the White Powers That Be and get royally screwed.

How are they royally screwed?, You mean they are screwed for getting to the pinnacle of their career.

Why?

Because they think they're special - unlike the Bad Negros.

Result: When it comes down to it, your degrees, your expertise in some area doesn't make a difference with the Powers That Be.

You're still a ni-gger and they will make sure you 'stay in your place'.
What Place?
Koffi Annan was once the UN secretary general. The seventh Secretary-General of the United Nations, served from 1997 to 2006 and was the first to emerge from the ranks of United Nations staff. Mr. Annan studied at the University of Science and Technology in Kumasi , Ghana , and completed his undergraduate work in economics at Macalester College in St. Paul , Minnesota in 1961. In 1961-1962, he undertook graduate studies at the Institute of International Affairs in Geneva , and in 1972 earned a Master of Science degree at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Sloan School of Management..

Over here, as a ni-gger, you will only be allowed to fly so high, no matter where you're from.

Do you know Obama is a ni.gga too just like drake? Do you think Obama would be where he is if he was doing drugs on the street or dropped out of school, then blame his misfortune on slavery that happened over 100 years ago. Obama is a ni.gga in white house and how higher can he fly after becoming a US president?

Black people really need to stop this backward mentality of ''I can't make it cos I am black''. The ones making it do not have two heads. All they do is stay back in school to get a good education and work hard in life. It's the losers that whine about slavery and other funny stuffs like that. We are no longer in the 1950's.

zboyd:
Because his mother was white. Over here, children with a white parent were always though to better and more intelligent than those with two Black parents.

I want you to know that I have nothing against African americans. I think I have more in common with African americans than with African immigrants who worship the white man. I was not trying to attack the image of AAs I was trying to show how badly they are being treated by a country they call their own and which some unsuspecting black people see as paradise (paradise for white people only). On the one hand the US was built on african american blood. And on the other hand you have a few African immigrants who instead of building up their own nation, prefer acting like parasites eating off the result of an other man's hard work. Ofcourse the African immigrants I am talking about are a minority among African immigrants, but this minority has sold themselves to the whites and they are willing to sell their entire race to the whites, all just for a tap in the back and validation by the white community. I see myself as a Nigerian patriot and a black nationalist. I know the reality, and I know that most black immigrants who run to the west looking for greener pastures go through too much trouble for it to be worth it and most end up miserably. Some end up selling their body, some end up without pride and without identity, some end up mad. What I can say is that it is not worth it, please Nigerians if you are reading this then stay home and use your money to open your own business and your talent to create jobs rather than going to a foreign land and to be treated like an animal. We need patriots in Nigeria and in Africa in general. We need black nationalism. We can make a better Nigeria !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRNciryImqg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYrC-JaYHik

patriot4:
I want you to know that I have nothing against African americans. I think I have more in common with African americans than with African immigrants who worship the white man. I was not trying to attack the image of AAs I was trying to show how badly they are being treated by a country they call their own and which some unsuspecting black people see as paradise (paradise for white people only). On the one hand the US was built on african american blood. And on the other hand you have a few African immigrants who instead of building up their own nation, prefer acting like parasites eating off the result of an other man's hard work. Ofcourse the African immigrants I am talking about are a minority among African immigrants, but this minority has sold themselves to the whites and they are willing to sell their entire race to the whites, all just for a tap in the back and validation by the white community. I see myself as a Nigerian patriot and a black nationalist. I know the reality, and I know that most black immigrants who run to the west looking for greener pastures go through too much trouble for it to be worth it and most end up miserably. Some end up selling their body, some end up without pride and without identity, some end up mad. What I can say is that it is not worth it, please Nigerians if you are reading this then stay home and use your money to open your own business and your talent to create jobs rather than going to a foreign land and to be treated like an animal. We need patriots in Nigeria and in Africa in general. We need black nationalism. We can make a better Nigeria !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRNciryImqg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYrC-JaYHik

No offense, but you sound a bit like these white closet racists over here. If you call them on their racist attitudes, one of the first things they'll proclaim is: "I'm not a racist! I have African American friends...Ya'll sure can play some ball! And nobody can sing and dance like ya'll...yada... yada...yada." But the minute Little Suzy or Billy, Jr. brings home a Darnell or Keisha, out the closet they come, raising hell. lol Matter of fact, some African immigrants sound almost like these racist whites over here and display the very same attitudes toward not only AAs but Mexicans and Asians too. Some of them can barely speak English but they know how to say ni-ger, wetback and chink.

I admire your patriotism but running down Nigerians who'd rather leave what they consider a hellhole for a chance of a better life is not being realistic, especially if they have families. Nigerians in the diaspora send billions of dollars home and it can be a struggle for them yet they do it. Paradise like perfection doesn't exist. And you don't have to leave Nigeria to find love pedaling, Nigerians not proud of their country, those who copy everything Western or those suffering from mental illness. All those things are there.

Your call for a reversal of the brain drain is admirable. And I understand your frustration about the best and brightest Nigerians using their talents and money to enrich other countries. However, the Nigerian government is who you should be pointing the finger at, because it's the major barrier to Nigerians enjoying a decent life and ensuring the health and welfare of their families in Nigeria. It's teetering on the edge of anarchy. Something has to give and it's not going to be pretty. Sure some Nigerians have the wherewithal to realize their dreams but what percentage of them actually succeed - 1%? As for you saying that Nigerians best stay in Nigeria, rather than go to a foreign land and be treated like animals - please wake up and smell the coffee.

If you listen to some of the harrowing tales some Nigerians tell of the brutality they've suffered and witnessed, you would know that animalistic tendencies can be found in Nigeria and Africa, as well as in foreign lands. Some humans just act uncivilized at times. However, most foreign countries have laws that protect the innocent and the not so innocent. Are those laws perfect? No. But they stand as a testament to countries who strive to treat human beings humanely - not inhumanely. In fact, in the States, even animals have rights. Mistreat an animal over here and get caught, you will face heavy fines and/or jail time.

It's good that you are so passionate about Black nationalism but criticizing Diasporan Nigerians or Africans who seek a better life abroad and trying to lay a guilt trip on them is off-putting and just this side of browbeating. It's all about survival - a basic human instinct.

Why not just leave them be?

Live your life and allow them to live their lives wherever they choose.

Home is where the heart is.

zboyd:
First, my disagreement was not with the OP's stance but Patriot4's. Within all his/her rhetoric about African unity, he's still carrying that monkey on his back regarding AAs and the myths and misconceptions about AAs. This was the very reason I didn't go off on a poster that asked: "Do they marry overseas?" Why blame this poster? If all s/he sees is all the negatives and has never traveled out of his/her country, why come down on them? The negatives and hearsay is their only frame of reference. That's why I answered: "Yes, they marry overseas." This was a teachable moment - not a moment to get all hot, bothered and offended.

Second, I have NEVER considered immigrants, African or otherwise, cowards, disloyal or unpatriotic for seeking greener pastures outside their native countries. I only object to illegal immigrants thinking they can waltz into another country and feel they're entitled to the same treatment citizens and legal immigrants receive. And to be honest, over here, the loudest voices of protest against illegal immigration are legal immigrants, not the citizens of the host countries.

Third, when those with means would rather fly off to another country for medical treatment or choose to send off their own children for schooling in another country, something is seriously wrong.

Fourth, citizenship in another country never changes who you are. It just changes your status. Over here, in the States, especially in Texas, California and Illinois, African immigrants may be American citizens on paper but most retain their African roots, within the law, of course.

Ask yourself this: If a huge cruise ship docked in Nigeria, guaranteeing all comers a chance of a better life outside of Nigeria, what do you think the response would be?

It's senseless denigrating Nigerians who seek greener pastures elsewhere.

Celebrate - not denigrate.

Leave them be.

On the flipside...if the Nigerian government wants to evolve into a true "Giant of Africa", it would behoove the Nigerian government to sit up and take serious notice of the 'brain drain'. It is driving out its best and brightest stars. Best it come correct.

Excellent points here. I agree with everything that you said, with one exception - other immigrants have a foundation when they travel, the OP seemed to simply want to flee and celebrate his new found citizenship as if me, you, and him are incapable of creating a change in NIGERIA. We discuss Nigeria as of we arent the Nigerians that make up the country? Thats my point: why is HE incapable of changing Nigeria? Why are YOU not capable of changing Nigeria? And why are we PROUD to go to other countries without an ounce of shame? Where is our notion to build our own space? Pretty soon - these countries that we flee to are going to send us (those that are there) back packing.

Thanks for the clarification, the day that I wrote my response - I was rushing.

saxywale:
No you are wrong. I have lived in Europe and America for years as a professional worker and can tell you that once you are mixed. You are considered black. Alot of AA are mixed anyway and not 100% black so how does that make any difference? And have you wondered why a mixed race is more acceptable to a black family than the other way round In America, anyone has a higher chance of becoming whatever he / she wants to become in life. America is a country of immigrants unlike the EU.

At the end of the day, you are what you think of yourself. If you keep on dwelling in the past or see racism or discrimination in most activities of your life, then you are limiting yourself. Obama's dad is Kenyan, the name Obama is not Anglo-saxon sounding, he is not even a descendant of an African american, yet he excelled in his career and political ambition. He could have decided to let thoughts of racism hold him down, but he is not a pessimist. If all the professionals( of African descents) and children of African immigrants doing well in the US always think of racism, would they be where they are now?

You may have lived in America but I was born here and for those AAs who born here and come from generations of AAs born here, they know the score. Light-skinned AAs have always been favored by whites. In the case of an AAs with a white parent, they are even more favored, seen as more intelligent, due to the direct infusion of white blood. It's been like that for centuries. After emancipation, those AAs who had that direct white infusion of white blood were the ones who were usually offered the best jobs - not their darker-skinned counterparts. Although things in this area are slowly changing, light-skinned/biracial/mixed race people are still over-represented in the media, commercials, TV, movies, etc. And the ongoing animosity between some light-skinned and dark-skinned people is very disturbing.

Ex.

"The "color complex" has remains a source of great controversy and pain in the African American community and across much of the African Diaspora. As one of the leading voices and scholars on Black racial identity, Drexel University assistant teaching professor of Africana Studies Yaba Blay continues her arduous, groundbreaking work on the topic. Her One Drop Project has been featured on CNN’s Black in America series and expanded the discussion around how Blackness is defined in today’s society.C"

Read more at: http://www.ebony.com/news-views/colorism-the-war-at-home-405#.VFp_bJUtDmI

Although Obama identifies himself as AA, he hasn't the same frame of historical reference or cultural upbringing as native AAs because he was raised in a white family. How could he? This is why some AA people were asking: "Is he Black enough?" It doesn't matter, since he will never be accepted as fully 'white'.

I ask you: If all the professionals in Nigeria and children of Nigerians doing well in Nigeria continually blamed colonialism, neo-colonialism and the West for Nigeria's inability to thrive, would they be where they are now? No. Same as successful AAs. It's all in the attitude.

Racism is a given. You don't have to think about but you will most likely recognize it if it hits you enough. Still, you push past and beyond it to reach your goals. Acknowledging your past is not pessimistic. Allowing it to determine your future is being pessimistic.

If AAs hadn't pushed Washington for laws and disciplinary measures that reprimanded white folks and others for their racist ways, African/Black/Other immigrants wouldn't have the means to fight racist practices when confronted with them. Over here, the best way to stick it to the white man is through his bank account and don't think they don't know it. That's why most of these white racists are very conscious of what they do or say and try their best to stay in the closet. They don't want to labeled a racist.

Ex.

I once had a boss who made a racist remark about Mexicans during a conference. Before we knew it, within a week, he had been demoted, moved out of his cushy office into another office two floors down, had his yearly salary cut from $110,000 to $100,000, had to make a formal apology to all the Mexican employees attending the conference and was instructed to write out a public apology which was published in the agency's biweekly newsletter. This action was a direct result from a lawsuit filed by an AA Human Resources assistant manager who was called a 'black coon' by his white supervisor.

And let's not forget the white folks who let fly racist remarks which they called 'slips of the tongue'.

Ex.

11 Racist Remarks Made By Politicians: A Look Back (SLIDESHOW)

See more here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/01/racist-remarks-politicians_n_2981424.html

zboyd:
You may have lived in America but I was born here

And what difference does it make? Been born in the US doesn't make you more knowledgeable on the issue. Maybe he had lived longer in the US than you had. He may have more experience on the subject than you?

saxywale:
It’s always wonderful to hear news of Nigerians doing great
things in the diaspora. That is why at Bellanaija.com, we
are very proud of Emmanuel Ohuabunwa , a 22 year-old
Nigerian who has made history at John Hopkins University ,
United States of America.

But his breakthrough came when he won the Bill and
Melinda Gates Foundation full scholarship to any University
of his choice. He worked hard and gained admission to
Johns Hopkins University to study Neurosciences.

Emmanuel, who hails from Abia State was adjudged as
having the highest honours during the graduation that was
held on May 24 this year. He made a Grade Point Average
of 3.98 out of 4.0 to bag a degree in Neurosciences in the
University.
For his efforts, he has won a scholarship to Yale University
to pursue a degree in Medicine.
Besides, he has been inducted into Phi Beta Kappa Society,
a prestigious honour group that features membership of 17
US Presidents, 37 US Supreme Court Justices, and 136
Nobel Prize winners.

I wonder how he was able to achieve such a great feat despite having racist lecturers... hmmm.

http://www.bellanaija.com/2012/06/26/great-nigerian-in-the-diaspora-22-year-old-emmanuel-ohuabunwa-emerges-as-best-graduating-student-from-john-hopkins-university-with-his-3-98-gpa/

If a teacher is racist over here, they may regret their loose lips.
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Ohio teacher loses job for racist comment

Read more here: FAIRFIELD, Ohio — A suburban Cincinnati teacher, accused of making a racist remark to a black student, lost his job after a labor hearing.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/18/teacher-racism-fired/7876581/
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Racist teacher calls students N-word because they objected to African American

During an eighth grade history lesson at Jay Stream Middle School located in Carol Stream, Illinois, students learned an extreme lesson in racism. An unidentified substitute teacher gave an 80 minute lecture on history which a few students found quite objectionable. During her lecture, she called the students African Americans. The students objected because they are Jamaican and did not consider themselves as coming from Africa.

http://rollingout.com/news/racist-teacher-calls-students-n-word-objected-african-american/#_
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Yes, some students are truly gifted...like these...

20 Black Child Prodigies Mainstream Media Doesn’t Talk About

Read more here...http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/09/24/15-black-child-proteges-mainstream-media-doesnt-talk/

black247:
Excellent points here. I agree with everything that you said, with one exception - other immigrants have a foundation when they travel, the OP seemed to simply want to flee and celebrate his new found citizenship as if me, you, and him are incapable of creating a change in NIGERIA. We discuss Nigeria as of we arent the Nigerians that make up the country? Thats my point: why is HE incapable of changing Nigeria? Why are YOU not capable of changing Nigeria? And why are we PROUD to go to other countries without an ounce of shame? Where is our notion to build our own space? Pretty soon - these countries that we flee to are going to send us (those that are there) back packing.

Thanks for the clarification, the day that I wrote my response - I was rushing.

Yes, if you follow international news, some countries are tiring of the influx of immigrants, especially the refugees and illegals. They're costing them a bundle.

TheCongo:
And what difference does it make? Been born in the US doesn't make you more knowledgeable on the issue. Maybe he had lived longer in the US than you had. He may have more experience on the subject than you?

It makes a big difference. Why wouldn't I be more knowledgeable about my own country than a non-native who has only lived in the country for a few years.? I could live in Nigeria for 30 years and still not know Nigeria like the natives.