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akpos4uall:
Another big question I keep asking about the claim that sin separated man from God is this; what seperated the animals from God? Are the animals equally paying for the action of man? Are you trying to claim that they don't go through similar condition like we humans? Don't they work for their food as well as struggle among themselves and other living things to survive. In some cases, don't the females carry their babies for more than 9 months before giving birth to them alive? So because of the disobedience of man, plants and animals got separated from the presence of God to come down to earth to live with man or what?

Pr0ton:
While most of the questions here are directly to the Christians, all are to those who believe in one God.



Q1. Don't you think that your faith is God's hope of existence, and when everyone loses his faith God dies and becomes inexistent?

Q2."...and on this rock will I build my church, and the gate of hell shall not prevail agaisnt it"..."No weapon that is formed against you shall prevail" why then does Boko Haram prevail against the Christians in the North?

Q.3 God, the omniscient, knew some men would fall and go to hell. Why didn't He just create the good ones and leave the bad ones if truly "He doesn't want any to perish"?

Q4. If God is perfect and makes no mistakes, why does He regret/repent frequently in the Bible?

Q5. If light and darkness can't exist why do good and evil exist?

Q6. "I desire mercy, not sarifice", Hosea 6:6, why did He still sacrifice His Son for our sins?

Q7. If the penalty for sin is eternal torment in hell, then did Jesus really pay the penalty for sin?

8. If God is Omnipresent doesn't that mean He exists in
hell too?

Q9. If truly we have a freewill, the ability to make your own
choice and decision, then how authentic is God's
Omniscience?

ifeness:
A job is different from serving someone for no reward. There is a contract and agreement signed for a visible and realistic reward.

I work and I also have people working for me. I pay them otherwise I would be working alone.

Your case is worship and praise to a deity for a reward that is unrealistic.

freeradical:
Who says there is no contractual reward waiting for me as a result of my love for the creator. There is nothing unrealistic about whatever my reward wud be. Fact is we both work for sumtin in return.

Kay17:
Freeradical, your tone seem to change from the over assured objective stance to the timid subjective. Because you seem to declare a universal fact that God exists and his existence is universally perceivable but now the Universal God is reduced to a product of your subjective and personal experiences. Isn't it more accurate that this God is your God and not everyone else' ?!

Kay17:
Let me get you right, is Evil the consequence of Sin or the consequence of punishment by God? Note the entirety of Genesis 3.

ifeness:
Hydrogen,oxygen, other chemical properties are your creators ....yeah go ahead and worship them

freeradical:
Those are merely created elements which are the tools God used for creating u man. U believe the 109 elements in d periodic table just whooshed demselves into existence?

ifeness:
Yes they did. how did your god come into creation?

freeradical:
How did you come to know this. Where u there when it happened? Or you believe so outta blind faith!

freeradical:
Not so fast smartass. U r imposing a wrong inference on me. To clear it I may be sounding subjective(never timid)only because u directed to me a personal question and outta respect I indulged u with a personal answer. The truth is my God is also ur God because no amt of unbelief on ur part will change the fact that you didn't come to be of your own choice. You were created man!

freeradical:
Evil is the direct opposite of good. Sin and evil are quite synonymous because watever is sinful isn't good. God punishment was clearly spelt out. Death for man and toiling to eat. Labour pains for the woman and d curse on d serpent. So how can u say evil is the consequence of sin. Evil predates adam and eve. The father/source of evil is satan who stopped being good when pride entered him and he rebelled against God's word. Remember genesis account of creation keeps telling us that God looked and what he has created from time to time and saw that it was good. So God can only make sumthing that is good. Once d created ceases to b good it becomes evil.
Pls try not to make anoda flawed but logically correct inference from my response. I prefer u make ur points and not ask these questions if u will keep drawing such bias conclusions.

ifeness:
sexual intercourse! I'm sure you have heard of that. I wasn't created from mud....I have a biological body,I'm sure you do too.

Kay17:
Then lay the objective proofs for the existence of God.



Although you almost approached a thesis, yet you failed to explicitly explain how Evil got into earth, whether as a natural consquence of sin or a consequence of divine punishment.

Kay17:
Then lay the objective proofs for the existence of God.



Although you almost approached a thesis, yet you failed to explicitly explain how Evil got into earth, whether as a natural consquence of sin or a consequence of divine punishment.

macof:
Plaetton this is epic

We however know that the religious mind would refuse to call his God energy because a religious mind only sees myths as reality. So to him God acts like a humanoid

Like joshthefirst, a religious person would rather make a fool of himself by saying Energy has a creator which is God, who lives in heaven watching our every move as he prepares hell for those who refuse to worship his son who was actually a Jewish man

Pr0ton:
Q8. If God is Omnipresent doesn't that mean He exists in hell too?

Q9. If truly we have a freewill, the ability to make your own choice and decision, then how authentic is God's Omniscience?

Q10. Of what use is God's existence?

JMAN05:
I hope you mean "faith in God's existence"?

You personally have faith that a bang happened in the past. If you loose that faith, does that change the fact?

Faith is not a raw material for truth: truth is truth, whether people believe it or not. That God exists is a truth that even existed before humans were created.

In other words, those humans you think are essential for God's existence through there faith has not always been there, but God has always existed. cleared?

That's not the meaning.

First the gate of hell cannot prevail against true xtains, in that hell cannot hold them forever.

second: No weapon formed against true xtains can prevail, ie, cannot be able to stamp them out of existence.

Those who believe in hellfire and total omniscience of God should answer that.

God's omniscience is inherent, not total.

The word translated repent/regret can be translated "change of inclination". At times, it is just referring to the grieve of God towards the bad habit of people.

Because freewill exists, and some people choose to be bad.

Jehovah is a God of mercy. He is ready to forgive and restore His sinful people, but He wont accept sacrifices when those who offer it are steeped in idolatry and other vices.

It appears the Jews were intent on offering sacrifices to gain mercy from God, as if His favor could be gotten from such while they engaged in bad habits.

Logical question.

He is not omnipresent. For anyone that believes in it is indirectly saying he is in hell too.

Inherent omniscience.

His existence made me and you exist. he also shows us how to live our lives.

freeradical:
I dnt see the relevance of giving you anoda near thesis on the advent of sin in the world. What bearing does it have on your unbelief? Do u resent God because u feel he's responsible for evil or that he's not being just in his 'divine punishment'?

Joshthefirst:
Lol. See insults abeg.

Coming from someone who believes energy is conscious and self existent and the precursor of the order and disorder we see around us?

Energy, raw energy, that cannot perform useful uphill work without being HARNESSED is what this guy calls God, is what he believes to be self-existent and all powerful?

You are a man who takes advantage of and manipulates this almighty energy we see in the universe. You are greater than energy mehn. Try to think. You are indeed greater than the inanimate god you worship and esteem so highly. Pitiful.

As for me OTOH, my God is the conscious creator of the universe. I revel in his grace.

Keep decieving yourself by foolishly acknowledging the very energy we manipulate as all powerful in an effort to dodge truth.

macof:
you are a disgrace to your parents as u wasted their money without getting a thing from school

The Sun is energy acting on it's own
The planet earth and all things on it are energy active without human harness, in the entire universe only Energy truly exists - this is a scientific and spiritual(spirituality) fact
So unless u have a different thing in ur head called energy I have to say you need to go back to school cus u are no different from a stack illiterate

Joshthefirst:
you are the one who didn't seem to do basic biology in secondary school. Or maybe you can't think enough to realize that even the solar energy is useless haphazard energy if it is not harnessed by living organisms. The living organisms harness the energy, not the other way round.

What does the sun do acting on its own? Nothing. Is the sun conscious? No.
Is energy self-existent? Macof says it is. Also implying it is all powerful and yet hypocritically forgetting how useless this a powerful creator of his is without his own manipulation of his creator. His creator is also useless to the most basic form of movement-life in this world, they all harness and take advantage of his creator to become effective in environments.

Shallow thinking.

macof:
The Sun does nothing?? Lmao
The Sun holds ur planet and many others
The Sun supplies light and heat to billions of miles away from it

it's ur father who makes the Sun do all this in his backyard abi?

And Yes, My creator is best described scientifically as Energy
Energy is the only thing self existent in the entire universe
I don't do myths and carry them as reality, I understand the symbolism and metaphor then decode it to fit in my reality
Without energy nothing would exist talkless of be active...energy makes all things active
The fact that you don't deny you need energy to move is enough to show u how stuupid you are to say energy is useless
Your entire body is walking energy

Ok let me play ur game... solar energy is useless without being harnessed? And then wat is ur humanoid god useful for? A god that can't affect the lives of his creation
A god that is busy preparing hell instead of protecting Christians against boko haram
A god that looks on when a Christian can't pay his house rent
Ur god is the perfect example of useless..useless to himself, useless to the universe

Joshthefirst:
the sun provides energy that is useless without being harnessed by the organisms.
Energy can only be harnessed to produce useful work.

The sun doesn't hold up this planet. We take advantage of its light and heat.

Until you demonstrate to me how energy gave rise to everything around us, including order, you remain a joker.

Don't repeat yourself again. If you have nothing new to say, forget about it.

macof:
Am I the only one seeing this dudes madness

The bold is like saying Money is useless because it has to be spent by a human to be useful
damn! My kids can never worship a dead jew, too much of dead jew worshipping has affected ur brain

Joshthefirst:
Idiocy. Give money to a monkey then. Will it be useful to it? No. Because it can't make anything useful out of it.
Or give me Canadian dollars to spend while I'm in the US and see if it will be useful to me if I don't convert it into USD's. See?

Without us utilizing and converting and harnessing the energy around us, useful work can never be done. Development can never occur. Creation and order cannot be sustained!

Thou foolish man!

This points even more to the fact that energy by itself cannot be the precursor of what we see in the universe, the order. One had to be there; self-existent and the source of all things, including energy. This is the One who laid the foundations of the universe and order. He is defined as God. He has revealed himself through the ages of time.

Next time you will have to gimme a paycheck for teaching you these basic things again.

Pantheism has ruined your head.

The unfortunate issue is that you will come along with another thoughtless comeback after this...smh

Joshthefirst:
yo! Most of your questions are foolish. And you would not have any regard for the truth of the answers I'd give.


But lemme just say one thing:

You were made for Gods pressure, not the other way round. He doesn't need you to keep on living, he is not a notion. He only needs you to believe in his salvation and be saved from the judgement of your sins.


God extends salvation and righteousness and holiness and blamelessness as a free gift in Jesus Christ. Its right believing, and not right doing that gets us saved. To whom it may concern.

You were made for Gods pressure, not the other way round.

Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for beauty and another for menial use?

Kay17:
I do not resent God, but I find Christianity's explanation for our world unsatisfactory. I wouldn't say I'm an atheist in the sense that God does not exist, rather my God does not exist. The God from my childhood, the one within my experience does not exist.

freeradical:
I understand why it is difficult for you to stomach christianity. You are quite inquisitive by nature and you apply logic to spiritual things. I know there are certain mysterious things in life which even science cannot explain. The physical world can be put under such scientific scrutiny with some success but not the spiritual. Spiritual things are learned by divine revelation. That's why different religions sprout out all in a bid to explain the spiritual. Every man knows deep down that he is a spirit being. The faith you channel into belief in a non-existent God can also serve you well to become a Christian. .

People like you will make the best xtians in the end because thru careful study ur faith will be unshakable!

God becomes inexistent when everyone
loses his faith in God, or better to
understand; He becomes extinct.
When we lose our faith in Him we
FORGET anything about Him utterly. No
one will ever talk about Him. We return
to the life we used to live when we had
no knowledge of God.
You claiming God still exists after saying
you lose your faith in Him only proves
that you never lose your faith in Him.

Then I can deduce from your words that
those Christians killed and persecuted
in the North are not true Christians, but
until you provide evidence for this your
allegation does not make sense and
your claim fall on its face.
Remember sometime during Jesus's
"lifetime", His disciples reported some
folks who were working wonders
through Jesus's name to Jesus. Those
folks weren't Jesus's disciples.

Are you saying you don't believe in
eternal torment in hell Answer
me and I will cite a verse for you to
see how you will deal with.

There is nothing like inherent/
incomplete Omniscience. Ideas like
this only result as a result of not
understanding the word.
Omniscience simply means knowing
EVERYTHING. When you say
someone doesn't know everything
totally you give the idea that there
are something he doesn't, hence not
omniscient.
God is either Omniscient or not. If
you oppose the later, it shows that
your not a good reader of the Bible
because the Bible clearly signifies
this.

Since God knows what will happen in
the future. He knows what man will be
before creating him. What sense does it
make to grieve our what you knew
would happen?

That would work for the belief of a
natural world. But for the claim of
the existence of a Supreme Good
Being, your argument fall on its face.

Jeremiah 23:24
"Can a man hide himself in hiding
places So I do not see him?"
declares the LORD "Do I not fill
the heavens and the earth?"[\b]
declares the LORD.

Isaiah 46:9
I am God, and there is none like me,
[b]declaring the end from the beginning
and from ancient times things not yet
done.[\b]

JMAN05:
The implication of your claim is that since people since no one know or believe in evolution in the 15th century, it means that evolution never happened at that time.

It also mean that since people in the never believed that the earth was spherical in shape in the past, it means that in the past the earth wasn't spherical.

My word for you is = sorry

They cannot stamp out true christianity as a group. Christianity still exists. They ve not gone into oblivion. Is that too hard to understand?

I dont believe in it. So can you bring your surprise package?

It seems like when the intended belief you want to target is not there, you ll force it on someone.

Type "omniscience" in wikipedia, and tell me whether you know omniscience more than that engine.

God has the ability to know whatever He wishes and can foresee the future, but the scriptures helps us to reach the conclusion that He doesn't use this ability always.

After subjecting Abraham to a test, the scripture reported God as saying "for now I do know you are God-fearing". Gen 22:12

Both in natural and supernatural world, freewill exists. That God is good doesn't affect the choice of other intelligent creatures.

But you aren't making a good point here. Whats the problem?

He does because He sees everything that happens here, not by being everywhere, as if He was an impersonal force, but by focussing His attention here on earth.

God dwells in the spiritual heaven. He annswers prayers from there too. Read 2Chron. 6:33, 39; 1kings 8:39.

When Jesus prayed, he looked up to heaven showing he recognise that God dwells there.

Deut 26:15 said in part: "Do look down from your holy dwelling, the heavens".

So, Jehovah has a dwelling place.

And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the son of men had built

Yes, God has the power to foresee the future and declare the end before it happens, but he does not do this always.

There are many things God didnt foretell. For eg, He never told us how many humans will be saved.

He never stated how many will be destroyed, nor even say how many will be on earth before it's destruction.

This does not mean He has no ability of knowing them, He does, but He just dont use His ability of foreknowledge always.

emeths:
common sense is not common though! if seun did not create nairaland I wonder how op and his/her foolish dumbs club will see the opportunity to doubt the GREATNESS of GOD. common nairaland mods that were selected by the owner of this site(nairaland) can decide not to make your thread front page...and you are here getting yourselves more confused.SHALOM

common sense is not common