Obiagelli:
Can empty heads stay off my thread? Call datolee if you don't have anything to add.

Abeg Sharrrap, DATOLEE has destroyed & demolished all the lies that you APigCee members propagated on NL.
Pls go somewhere and weeep, better still go give your husband Barcanister a bl0w job cos he really needs something to make him feel better after the trashing he recieved today.

Ooops, i forgot, u r both guys in real life. Oh well,go ahead and give him the BJ, U are both APigCeee members, its natural.

atlwireles:


That's not why you created this thread. Open a new thread, I will meet you there. Stick to Gen. Buhari aka, the butcher of Nigeria.

Why you blood dey hot? One country cant be that difficult to find. Anyway i hear you.

Aksonman:


Abeg Sharrrap, DATOLEE has destroyed & demolished all the lies that you APigCee members propagated on NL.
Pls go somewhere and weeep, better still go give your husband Barcanister a bl0w job cos he really needs something to make him feel better after the trashing he recieved today.

Ooops, i forgot, u r both guys in real life. Oh well,go ahead and give him the BJ, U are both APigCeee members, its natural.

Rants of a big empty head. Btw i am waiting for your unce datolee.

aljharem:
APigC don start again. Why not go to the original thread to air your views

A Pig Cee

CORRECTION ITS NOT A PIG CEE BUT A Pig Cshit

Mention me when anyone has something reasonable to day.

Lordlexyy:
After it was obvious that barcanista had battered them mercilessly in subsequent post, the Tan group became humble and well behave waiting patiently for a saviour, until one datolee came with bags of poorly arranged lies and the TANoid in their usually fashion of stereotype clinch to it even after barcanista counter every of the poorly written epistle of lies.

Go siddon jare, mumu.

excellence44:

CORRECTION ITS NOT A PIG CEE BUT A Pig Cshit

Counter correction its APshit

Firefire:


I dont accept that... Sorry!

I'm sorry sir.

Obiagelli:


Buhari left office on Aug 27 1985, he didn't take any loans because he refused IMF conditions, our dear datolee didn't tell us IBB announced the introduction of SAP (IMF loans) on October 1 1985. Who took the loans?


Thanks to barcanista, buhari did pay $50 million in a few weeks and had paid about $4 billion before he left.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15xapP50Sf0?
version=3
http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1984/01/03/
AS030184006/?s=nigeria&st=2&pn=96&sortBy=date 3rd
January, 1984

I really do not understand what you are trying to achieve here.. Barcanista who posted that video saw the flaw in it and refused to use it any further. I know you have made up your mind about Buhari, but please tell Nigerians the truth.

From the video you posted, $50 million was for payment of rescheduled interest... please, since when did payment of interest turn to payment of loan itself? what is $50 million to $15 billion Nigeria was owing at that time?

I had wanted to go into the fall out with IMF, but I will leave it for another time.. Just to give you some review about the IMF loan, SAP and payment of $50 million by Buhari.

You must know that in early 1980's the price of oil failed so low that Nigeria's economy was troubled, Shagari administration had to borrow to finance a lot of project, it get to a point, Nigeria couldn't service those loans, yes they wanted to borrow more money. IMF came up with a plan... "do this if you want more money or you forget about it" This condition was first rejected by Shagari.

When Buhari took over, he was presented with this same problem, so what he did was to use $50million to service the loan, to give the western financiers the impression that Nigeria can manage those, IMF still wasn't convinced and insisted on their conditions. Please skip the video to 2:44 - 2:56 I quote " The main worry for western financiers now is Nigeria's $15 billion worth of external debt, so today's prompt payment of $50 million dollars in rescheduled interest has pleased the city and helped the new regime economic prospect".

Since He cannot borrow from IMF, Buhari turned to the government of Saudi Arabia to borrow $1.8 billion, this loan was blocked by the USA just as they blocked arm purchase by GEJ.

Not knowing what to do, he did turn to Paris club to borrow some money, of course, he had to make some noise that we can service our loans... he ended up spending more money than any other government, servicing loan.

Now three things I must say here,

1. servicing loan is not the same thing as repayment of loans

2. Buhari did not make Nigeria a debt free country

3. By the end of 20 months regime, Nigeria's debt had increased from $15 billion to just under $18 billion

Obiagelli:

Rants of a big empty head. Btw i am waiting for your unce datolee.

GO TO HIS THREAD-my super Uncle is waiting for you there. Abi no be u dey look for am?

Obiagelli:
Mention me when anyone has something reasonable to day.

Well you have said no reasonable thing yourself why bother. You guys should stop repackaging an already rotten meat, it's useless. I will forever remember El Rufai's dismissal of Buhari as pepertually unelectable, so however you try to wash off the dirts and stains off him he remains unelectable.
Thanks to datolee for busting your lies.

alabiyemmy:
You guys did all these three times in the past and it all led to failure for Buhari. You are wasting your energy this time again.

Keep your dirty mouth shot! It's more glaring that your goodluck has turned to badluck for people like you. To avoid further infecting the whole nation with his cluelessness, we are nailing him come 2015 like Jesus was cruxified on the cross. Ebola is the next to cruxify

Obiagelli:


http://www.nnpcgroup.com/nnpcbusiness/subsidiaries/
krpc.aspx


Our dear datolee didn't tell us from that same link he posted,

The contract for
construction (kaduna refinery) was awarded to CHIYODA CHEMICAL ENGINEERING & CONSTRUCTION COMPANY OF YOKOHAMA, Japan in 1977.

Guess who was petroleum minister in 1977?

I really don't know why we must keep going round and round on the same issue.

Please take your time and read this link by Firefire http://www.newsdayreporters.com/what-s-hot/536-specialreport-muhammadu-buhari-did-not-build-any-refinery-for-nigeria-editorial-newsday-reporters.html

After that, go back to the NNPC link on Kaduna refinery and tell me when the decision to build the two refineries was made

Please note that my argument is that Buhari didn't Initiate any refinery project in Nigeria... giving the credit to Buhari is a slap on the faces of those "honorable" men who made the decision.

datolee:


I really do not understand what you are trying to achieve here.. Barcanista who posted that video saw the flaw in it and refused to use it any further. I know you have made up your mind about Buhari, but please tell Nigerians the truth.

From the video you posted, $50 million was for payment of rescheduled interest... please, since when did payment of interest turn to payment of loan itself? what is $50 million to $15 billion Nigeria was owing at that time?

I had wanted to go into the fall out with IMF, but I will leave it for another time.. Just to give you some review about the IMF loan, SAP and payment of $50 million by Buhari.

You must know that in early 1980's the price of oil failed so low that Nigeria's economy was troubled, Shagari administration had to borrow to finance a lot of project, it get to a point, Nigeria couldn't service those loans, yes they wanted to borrow more money. IMF came up with a plan... "do this if you want more money or you forget about it" This condition was first rejected by Shagari.

When Buhari took over, he was presented with this same problem, so what he did was to use $50million to service the loan, to give the western financiers the impression that Nigeria can manage those, IMF still wasn't convinced and insisted on their conditions. Please skip the video to 2:44 - 2:56 I quote " The main worry for western financiers now is Nigeria's $15 billion worth of external debt, so today's prompt payment of $50 million dollars in rescheduled interest has pleased the city and helped the new regime economic prospect".

Since He cannot borrow from IMF, Buhari turned to the government of Saudi Arabia to borrow $1.8 billion, this loan was blocked by the USA just as they blocked arm purchase by GEJ.

Not knowing what to do, he did turn to Paris club to borrow some money, of course, he had to make some noise that we can service our loans... he ended up spending more money than any other government, servicing loan.

Now three things I must say here,

1. servicing loan is not the same thing as repayment of loans

2. Buhari did not make Nigeria a debt free country

3. By the end of 20 months regime, Nigeria's debt had increased from $15 billion to just under $18 billion

QED , you will make me start my drinking early today.

Sirniyeh:


Keep your dirty mouth shot! It's more glaring that your goodluck has turned to badluck for people like you. To avoid further infecting the whole nation with his cluelessness, we are nailing him come 2015 like Jesus was cruxified on the cross. Ebola is the next to cruxify

We shall be waiting for you.
Goodluck has and will always remain goodluck for me and my family. The only people who he is badluck to are the cursed ones, those who have failed or refused to take advantage of the reformation taking place to better their lives.

datolee:


I really do not understand what you are trying to achieve here.. Barcanista who posted that video saw the flaw in it and refused to use it any further. I know you have made up your mind about Buhari, but please tell Nigerians the truth.

From the video you posted, $50 million was for payment of rescheduled interest... please, since when did payment of interest turn to payment of loan itself? what is $50 million to $15 billion Nigeria was owing at that time?

I had wanted to go into the fall out with IMF, but I will leave it for another time.. Just to give you some review about the IMF loan, SAP and payment of $50 million by Buhari.

You must know that in early 1980's the price of oil failed so low that Nigeria's economy was troubled, Shagari administration had to borrow to finance a lot of project, it get to a point, Nigeria couldn't service those loans, yes they wanted to borrow more money. IMF came up with a plan... "do this if you want more money or you forget about it" This condition was first rejected by Shagari.

When Buhari took over, he was presented with this same problem, so what he did was to use $50million to service the loan, to give the western financiers the impression that Nigeria can manage those, IMF still wasn't convinced and insisted on their conditions. Please skip the video to 2:44 - 2:56 I quote " The main worry for western financiers now is Nigeria's $15 billion worth of external debt, so today's prompt payment of $50 million dollars in rescheduled interest has pleased the city and helped the new regime economic prospect".

Since He cannot borrow from IMF, Buhari turned to the government of Saudi Arabia to borrow $1.8 billion, this loan was blocked by the USA just as they blocked arm purchase by GEJ.

Not knowing what to do, he did turn to Paris club to borrow some money, of course, he had to make some noise that we can service our loans... he ended up spending more money than any other government, servicing loan.

Now three things I must say here,

1. servicing loan is not the same thing as repayment of loans

2. Buhari did not make Nigeria a debt free country

3. By the end of 20 months regime, Nigeria's debt had increased from $15 billion to just under $18 billion

GBAM, Obiageli,u don hear? Will u close this silly thread now?
On a second thought the likes of @Obiageli and @Barcanista have helped in exposing and attracting more insults to Buhari's name than any TAN member could.
Well done guys!

datolee:


1. servicing loan is not the same thing as repayment of loans

2. Buhari did not make Nigeria a debt free country

3. By the end of 20 months regime, Nigeria's debt had increased from $15 billion to just under $18 billion

1. Either way, he made payment in his first week. No one ever said nigeria's debt was 50 million.

By the time Buhari was overthrown
he had paid off over $4 billion of our foreign
debts in two years from the huge $15 billion
Shagari had being ill-advised to borrow,


3. Like i said earlier, ibb announced SAP on oct 1 1985, i hope you know how we ended up with $18 billion at the end of 1985.

Aksonman:


GBAM, Obiageli,u don hear? Will u close this silly thread now?
On a second thought the likes of @Obiageli and @Barcanista have helped in exposing and attracting more insults to Buhari's name than any TAN member could.
Well done guys!

Your uncle is here, read my response to him.

datolee:


I really don't know why we must keep going round and round on the same issue.

Please take your time and read this link by Firefire http://www.newsdayreporters.com/what-s-hot/536-specialreport-muhammadu-buhari-did-not-build-any-refinery-for-nigeria-editorial-newsday-reporters.html

After that, go back to the NNPC link on Kaduna refinery and tell me when the decision to build the two refineries was made

Please note that my argument is that Buhari didn't Initiate any refinery project in Nigeria... giving the credit to Buhari is a slap on the faces of those "honorable" men who made the decision.

Are you some kind of a clown? You think the credit should only go to those that made the decision not the person that did the pain staking execution work? Any one can make a decision. The proof of the pudding lies in the execution

Sirniyeh:


Keep your dirty mouth shot! It's more glaring that your goodluck has turned to badluck for people like you. To avoid further infecting the whole nation with his cluelessness, we are nailing him come 2015 like Jesus was cruxified on the cross. Ebola is the next to cruxify

LAck of home training. Its a pity your parents failed to teach you manners. Its mannerless people that resort to insulting people without need. Nincompoop.

Obiagelli:
Every other thing about inflation, Gdp and the naira was very well replied by barcanista. www.nairaland.com/1983506/many-lies-buhari-apc-supporters

@ datolee, waiting for more lies on selective fight against corruption by Buhari.

I wouldn't want to dwell on this now, however, I will copy two paragraphs from Prof. Wole Soyinka...

And then the cascade of escapes of the wanted, and culpable politicians. Manhunts across the length and breadth of the nation, roadblocks everywhere and borders tight as steel zip locks. Lo and behold, the chairman of the party, Chief Akinloye, strolled out coolly across the border. Richard Akinjide, Legal Protector of the ruling party, slipped out with equal ease. The Rice Minister, Umaru Dikko, who declared that Nigerians were yet to eat from dustbins - escaped through the same airtight dragnet. The clumsy attempt to crate him home was punishment for his ingratitude, since he went berserk when, after waiting in vain, he concluded that the coup had not been staged, after all, for the immediate consolidation of the party of extreme right-wing vultures, but for the military hyenas.


The case of the overbearing Secretary-General of the party, Uba Ahmed, was even more noxious. Uba Ahmed was out of the country at the time. Despite the closure of the Nigerian airspace, he compelled the pilot of his plane to demand special landing permission, since his passenger load included the almighty Uba Ahmed. Of course, he had not known of the change in his status since he was airborne. The delighted airport commandant, realizing that he had a much valued fish swimming willingly into a waiting net, approved the request. Uba Ahmed disembarked into the arms of a military guard and was promptly clamped in detention. Incredibly, he vanished a few days after and reappeared in safety overseas. Those whose memories have become calcified should explore the media coverage of that saga. Buhari was asked to explain the vanished act of this much prized quarry and his response was one of the most arrogant levity. Coming from one who had shot his way into power on the slogan of ‘dis’pline’, it was nothing short of impudent.

The question for you Obiageli, why did these people get out of the country, in worst cases like Uba Ahmed, get out of jail when borders was as tight as steel zip locks? Could it then be said that the border wasn't as tight as we were meant to believe? If this is the case, could it also mean that some officers in Buhari administration had a hand in corruption by letting some "special" people go while the likes of Ekwueme was in prison?

Finally, can we say that if high profile people could get out prison and the country, that smuggling and illegal oil bunkering wasn't stopped by Buhari?

I wait your answers, I will reply not today because it's time to bed in my side of the world. Thanks

Genius100:


Are you some kind of a clown? You think the credit should only go to those that made the decision not the person that did the pain staking execution work? Any one can make a decision. The proof of the pudding lies in the execution

Let him bring up more is lies, he also said buhari left office with 18 billion debt, i want him to provide a link for that.

His previous link showed 1985, buhari left in August, IBB announced SAP in Oct and the borrowing started.

Descartes:
And you are using Wikipaedia as a credible source?

..if you use Wikipedia as your reference for most of my lecturers in school back then, you are gone

datolee:


I wouldn't want to dwell on this now, however, I will copy two paragraphs from Prof. Wole Soyinka...



The question for you Obiageli, why did these people get out of the country, in worst cases like Uba Ahmed, get out of jail when borders was as tight as steel zip locks? Could it then be said that the border wasn't as tight as we were meant to believe? If this is the case, could it also mean that some officers in Buhari administration had a hand in corruption by letting some "special" people go while the likes of Ekwueme was in prison?

Finally, can we say that if high profile people could get out prison and the country, that smuggling and illegal oil bunkering wasn't stopped by Buhari?

I wait your answers, I will reply not today because it's time to bed in my side of the world. Thanks

Oh oh, easy bro, we are not through with debt figures when Buhari left office. We will do corruption in your next thread. Don't derail.

Obiagelli:


http://www.nnpcgroup.com/nnpcbusiness/subsidiaries/
krpc.aspx


Our dear datolee didn't tell us from that same link he posted,

The contract for
construction (kaduna refinery) was awarded to CHIYODA CHEMICAL ENGINEERING & CONSTRUCTION COMPANY OF YOKOHAMA, Japan in 1977.

Guess who was petroleum minister in 1977?

I know who was petroleum minister in 1977 but who was Head of State in 1977? Would the contract for the building of the refinery been awarded if the head of state had not authorized it? Whose decision under a presidntial system of govt is it to approve such major contracts the minister or head of state/president?
Please give Buhari credit for what happened between Jan 1984 and August 1985 not before and not after.

Genius100:


Are you some kind of a clown? You think the credit should only go to those that made the decision not the person that did the pain staking execution work? Any one can make a decision. The proof of the pudding lies in the execution

I can understand your pain, but I have some questions for you

Kaduna and Warri refinaries was commission by Shagari administration, should we now give him the credit? suppose when he got to power, he decided to stop the work at both refineries?

I still want a document that show that Buhari signed the document for any refinery. BTW, why would you and you member lie to the world that Buhari initiated those refineries?

Monkey dey sleep yanga go wake am

Another fight lost.The OP is now being schooled.

datolee:


I really don't know why we must keep going round and round on the same issue.

Please take your time and read this link by Firefire http://www.newsdayreporters.com/what-s-hot/536-specialreport-muhammadu-buhari-did-not-build-any-refinery-for-nigeria-editorial-newsday-reporters.html

After that, go back to the NNPC link on Kaduna refinery and tell me when the decision to build the two refineries was made

Please note that my argument is that Buhari didn't Initiate any refinery project in Nigeria... giving the credit to Buhari is a slap on the faces of those "honorable" men who made the decision.

Who signed the contract, in your other thread you claimed buhari had nothing to do with the refinery. Stop acting smart.

datolee:


I can understand your pain, but I have some questions for you

Kaduna and Warri refinaries was commission by Shagari administration, should we now give him the credit? suppose when he got to power, he decided to stop the work at both refineries?

I still want a document that show that Buhari signed the document for any refinery. BTW, why would you and you member lie to the world that Buhari initiated those refineries?

Are you still telling lies?

The contract for
construction (kaduna refinery) was awarded to
CHIYODA CHEMICAL ENGINEERING &
CONSTRUCTION COMPANY OF YOKOHAMA,
Japan in 1977.
Guess who was petroleum minister in 1977?


http://www.nnpcgroup.com/nnpcbusiness/subsidiaries/krpc.aspx

***Datolee enters thread, Omenka, Egift, Gbawe,Ilugunboy, Berem donphilopus scampering for safety.***


It is quite unbecoming for young men to utter MAXIMS - Aristotle

Obiagelli:


1. Either way, he made payment in his first week. No one ever said nigeria's debt was 50 million.

By the time Buhari was overthrown
he had paid off over $4 billion of our foreign
debts in two years from the huge $15 billion
Shagari had being ill-advised to borrow,


3. Like i said earlier, ibb announced SAP on oct 1 1985, i hope you know how we ended up with $18 billion at the end of 1985.

Please I do not like making too much of argument.. I have provided you links to the fact that when Buhari left office, Nigeria's debt was $18 billion.. you are yet to provide any link to the fact that Buhari paid $4biilion of our debt

So it has moved from making Nigeria debt free to paying some debt??

Here is the ling again if you missed it http://www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/jpl/article/viewFile/670/647

Read again "...And by the period Buhari left office, Nigeria owed $18,034.1milllion (CBN, op cit)"

Go to page 6 second paragraph

APContherun:

I know who was petroleum minister in 1977 but who was Head of State in 1977? Would the contract for the building of the refinery been awarded if the head of state had not authorized it? Whose decision under a presidntial system of govt is it to approve such major contracts the minister or head of state/president?
Please give Buhari credit for what happened between Jan 1984 and August 1985 not before and not after.

Stop acting smart, your lies have been busted.

In your exact words

Conclusion
Buhari neither cleared Nigeria’s debt nor initiated any
refinery in Nigeria.


Seun front page o. Fairness