musKeeto:
If you consider labels useless, why do you feel so compelled to be referred to as atheist? or spiritual atheist?

In Spiritual atheism, God is defined

FOLYKAZE:


God is energy (Like plaetton will define it).

God is anything that is been worshipped (As defined by PastorAIO).

God is consciousness (As define in Yoruba spirituality).

God is totality of everything that made up the universe and the universe itself (Pantheism).

God is an admired, adored and influencial person (My dictionary).

God is a theater gallery (Also my dictionary).

God is natural entities (naturalistic pantheism).

God is substance or Nature (spinoza definition).



Those are my definition. . . . .

If I may ask you, as an atheist, which of among the God defined above do you disbelieve in?

Which one do you believe in?

None

FOLYKAZE:


In Spiritual atheism, God is defined

There is nothing as such.

Ymodulus:


None

I asked two questions dude

Ymodulus:


There is nothing as such.

Read this

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100523130732AAme3Wf

FOLYKAZE:


I asked two questions dude

Answer to the two questions are

1. I disbelieve in all
2. I believe in none

FOLYKAZE:

Read this
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100523130732AAme3Wf

I just read that article and I feel its trash. Cause it goes against the fundamental principle of Atheism. Lack of belief in God.

FOLYKAZE: We know
atheism is all about God and not theistic
conception of God only

I've been trying to lay a finger on what's wrong with your OP. I think this is where you are getting it wrong. Atheism is only about the theist God. I thought you would be able to tell from the name, "a-theism". To define atheism, you have to define theism, and to define theism, you have to define what you mean by God. Theism always involves a SUPERNATURAL BEING playing the role of God. Atheism gives no credit to claims about the existence of such a being. When you start talking about the gallery in a theatre, or admiration of a person with nothing else attached, you are no longer discussing theism, and definitely not atheism.

Now, enjoy your atheism in peace.

FOLYKAZE:



We are getting there bro. . . .

I want you to understand that attributing human character or personification of entity which brought it been describe as God brings much flaws into atheism.

From your argument, atheism is rooted on the disbelieve in personality attached to an entity rather than the entity itself.

Atheism tend to pull against thought and not reality on ground.

I think you understand me here?

Atheists don't come on here and say there's no God. I find the ones usually making that statement to be the Muslims and Christians, putting words in our mouths, so to speak.

Every atheist bashing thread on this site begins with some Christian or Muslim shouting that atheists are fools for not believing in God. How is that not propaganda?

It's a clever manipulation of words, very similar to what these politicians do to one another here in the US. Obviously it works, because now you're claiming that atheists are the ones doing the anthropomorphization.

I've always been very specific here, even going as far as providing evidence showing why Jesus doesn't exist.

Problem is, there's just too many of them. Win one over, and a hundred more come on here screaming that, "atheists don't believe in God" crap all over again.

Jesus, Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, and Poseidon are easy to disprove. They don't exist. Their own storybooks give them away.

finofaya:


I've been trying to lay a finger on what's wrong with your OP. I think this is where you are getting it wrong. Atheism is only about the theist God. I thought you would be able to tell from the name, "a-theism". To define atheism, you have to define theism, and to define theism, you have to define what you mean by God. Theism always involves a SUPERNATURAL BEING playing the role of God. Atheism gives no credit to claims about the existence of such a being. When you start talking about the gallery in a theatre, or admiration of a person with nothing else attached, you are no longer discussing theism, and definitely not atheism.

Now, enjoy your atheism in peace.

End of discussion. . . .

mazaje:


End of discussion. . . .

I agree.

finofaya:


I've been trying to lay a finger on what's wrong with your OP. I think this is where you are getting it wrong. Atheism is only about the theist God. I thought you would be able to tell from the name, "a-theism". To define atheism, you have to define theism, and to define theism, you have to define what you mean by God. Theism always involves a SUPERNATURAL BEING playing the role of God. Atheism gives no credit to claims about the existence of such a being. When you start talking about the gallery in a theatre, or admiration of a person with nothing else attached, you are no longer discussing theism, and definitely not atheism.

Now, enjoy your atheism in peace.

Sorry for cutting down this. . . . .

Atheism is not a-theism. It is 'atheos' meaning without god. So atheism is not about theistic god but general god.

Going by your post, do you tell me you believe in pantheist god, spinoza god and Orisha?

Mr, god does not necessary mean a being with supernatural attributes. Fela is my God and he is not a superbeing. My country is sacred which I worship. My parents are Gods which I pray to. My friends are Gods which I make sacrifice to. To top it all, I am a God, being a conscious being.


Like plaetton rightly put it, atheism should be 'non-belief' or better put anti-theism.

Over and over, you guys have proven atheism should not exist. It does not make any sense because there will always be 'with god'.

Ymodulus:

Answer to the two questions are

1. I disbelieve in all
2. I believe in none

You disbelieve in the existence of energy?

You disbelieve in the existence of money, judges, country that are been worshipped?

You disbelieve in the existence of consciousnes?

You disbelieve in the existence of Fela, Obama, an influencial, admired and adored person?


You must be kidding me. . . . . . .

Ymodulus:

I just read that article and I feel its trash. Cause it goes against the fundamental principle of Atheism. Lack of belief in God.

Tell that to plaetton who believe energy is God the creator and at the sametime he is an atheist.

Tell that to buddhist atheists.

FOLYKAZE:


You disbelieve in the existence of energy?

You disbelieve in the existence of money, judges, country that are been worshipped?

You disbelieve in the existence of consciousnes?

You disbelieve in the existence of Fela, Obama, an influencial, admired and adored person?


You must be kidding me. . . . . . .

1. Sir let me tell you I don't believe in Obama as my god, no. Influential personalities No. He can't do a thing for me.

2.Money is an appreciated object of value to me not a God. I donit worship money. You are just clearly trying to put me at a corner where I never claimed to be

3. Issue if energy is a verbose topic that should be discuss in detail not just disbelieve. So for now I won't say anything on this. And yes I disbelieve in it as a God.


In conclusion your definitions if God are yours not mine. That's why I said the idea if what god is depends on how the person sees them. Its subjective to set or individuals not objective.

Tell that to plaetton who believe energy is God the creator and at the sametime he is an atheist.

Tell that to buddhist atheists.

I don't know plaetton believes. That is for another day, however sir, there is absolutely nothing as Buddhist atheist.

Ymodulus:


1. Sir let me tell you I don't believe in Obama as my god, no. Influential personalities No. He can't do a thing for me.

I used Obama and Fela as an example. I dont care about Obama but admire Fela so much. What works for me might not work for you.

There is someone or something that influence your person. That you so much admired and adored. You also revile it. That person or thing is your God.


Dictionary

God

3. an adored, admired, or influential person.

http://www.google.com/m?q=definition+god

who ever that person is is your God.

Ymodulus:

2.Money is an appreciated object of value to me not a God. I donit worship money. You are just clearly trying to put me at a corner where I never claimed to be

Money is God. . . . . . In Yoruba, we call it Orisha Aje.

In the bible, it is noted as something been worshipped (serving as God).

Ymodulus:

3. Issue if energy is a verbose topic that should be discuss in detail not just disbelieve. So for now I won't say anything on this. And yes I disbelieve in it as a God.

God is not created but he is the creator. He does not died and will not die.

Energy falls in here.

Therefore he is God.

Ymodulus:

In conclusion your definitions if God are yours not mine. That's why I said the idea if what god is depends on how the person sees them. Its subjective to set or individuals not objective.

The question is, How can you disbelieve in the existence of those gods above?

Ymodulus:

I don't know plaetton believes. That is for another day, however sir, there is absolutely nothing as Buddhist atheist.

Platteon is a pantheistic atheist who believe nature and everything in it is God but disbelieve in the existence of God the superhuman.

He is an atheist that believe energy is God. He is an atheist that believe in God defined as energy.

He has in many occassion admitted that we human are gods. His claim align with many religion and spirituality claims.

As for buddhist atheists, I want you to know that buddhism is not about either believing in God or not believing in it. If atheism is lack of belief in God then some buddhist are atheists.

So buddhist atheists are buddhists who do not believe in God but is devoted to buddhism philosophy and embrace it principles.

Weah96:


Atheists don't come on here and say there's no God. I find the ones usually making that statement to be the Muslims and Christians, putting words in our mouths, so to speak.

Every atheist bashing thread on this site begins with some Christian or Muslim shouting that atheists are fools for not believing in God. How is that not propaganda?

It's a clever manipulation of words, very similar to what these politicians do to one another here in the US. Obviously it works, because now you're claiming that atheists are the ones doing the anthropomorphization.

I've always been very specific here, even going as far as providing evidence showing why Jesus doesn't exist.

Problem is, there's just too many of them. Win one over, and a hundred more come on here screaming that, "atheists don't believe in God" crap all over again.

Jesus, Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, and Poseidon are easy to disprove. They don't exist. Their own storybooks give them away.

Mr. . . . .atheism is simply disbelieve in God.

You are the one nailing the the coffin. . . . . .

Anthromorphisation is more like personification, figurative expression which are mostly used in lieratures from time to time. A reasonable person does not have to grasp only the personality attachment but the message been passed.

In your argument you mean to say something like this:

'In Ondo town yesterday, it rain cat and dog'.

On reading this, you went on rampage shouting it is impossible for cat and dog to fall from the sky.

The above sample goes for atheists everywhere. You dont believe in God. . . . . .but the question remains on what God is.

You come here calling on Yahweh, Allah and Zeus as if that is the only God that exist. You look at the dictionary everyday and see God defined as influencial, admired and revered person yet you act as if you dont see it. You read about many conception of God but only sees theistic conception and behave as if the other conception is irrelevant. Everyday, all we hear is noises. . . . .. Noises of unjustified religious belief.

Atheism is not about theistic God. . . . .that should be Non-theism or anti-theism.

What happen to other God conception? Spinoza, pantheism and others? Do you believe in them?

Like I asked Mazaje, do you believe in Iyale (Mother Earth)? She is a personification of Nature. She is pantheistic, anthromorphical and polythiestic Goddess. Been an atheist, do you disbelieve in the existence of God/Goddess; Mother Earth which is Nature? Do you disbelieve in the existnce of Nature?

All your explanation goes against fundamental tenets of Atheism.

I am astounded as to why you call yourself an Atheist. Of which clearly you are not.


Buddhist Atheist ? Seriously? .




1. No do not be oppressive here folykaze. I said I do not consider them to be my god and you are forcing them to be my god. Read my article above I said definition of a Gos is clearly subjective not Objective so I actually don't know why you should say they are my God. Because they are irrelevant to me. I mean people of influence I do not worship them.

2. You are quoting God from the dictionary. FolyKaze I believe you never read my reply. I will do you the favor of reposting it.


3. This is another reason I say you are oppressive with your ideas. Money is God as you said and that's to you or your Yorubas, but not me. Not even all yorubas take money as a god. And that's why I said the definition of God is a fluid concept that is largely subjective rather than objective.




4. God is creates things? Seriously? Did you say you are an Atheist? And you believe god creates things? I think at this point I don't have to go further any longer.

Without much Ado I will paste my last reply and let you know my stand on this

FolyKaze,

Speaking for myself alone I can't define god because the idea of "God" is a fluid concept to me, being an atheist (It may be different for other atheists) My first question if asked to define god would be "which god?" Shiva will be defined in a very different way to Baal or Allah. If pressed I probably could define those gods but it would be textbook regurgitating because I have no personal connection or affiliation to those gods, likely my response would be a cut n paste of their wiki page There are so many gods that, unless you firmly believe in a particular one it's almost impossible to come up with a blanket definition that applies to all, some are cruel & vengeful some are caring & forgiving. Some are even wolves!
You have a concept of "One god" so you can speak & define in terms of one being, I don't share that belief don't so I can't possibly define it.



God, in the most general terms, is an empty concept. The myriad definitions of God have left essentially every aspect of its personality (even whether or not it has a personality) totally open. I don’t have a personal definition of God, because I don’t believe in any gods. All of the concepts of God I’ve been presented with, I have rejected as baseless; and I know that if I just made up my own definition, all I’d be doing was believing in something I made up.


I define a God (never just "God" for there are many that are or have been believed in) as an unseen deity that is responsible for certain things on Earth. In some cases, the God created the Earth and all on it, in others the God may just be responsible for the sun, with other Gods taking other responsibilities.


As an Atheist, I am aware of the beliefs of others, but do not fins any credence whatsoever in the idea of any God or Gods, from Roman through Greek and Muslim to Christian and beyond. Mankind has always worshiped and feared something as a general rule, and Gods will continue to rise and fall as beliefs shift.

FOLYKAZE:



Sorry for cutting down this. . . . .

Atheism is not a-theism. It is 'atheos' meaning without god. So atheism is not about theistic god but general god.

Going by your post, do you tell me you believe in pantheist god, spinoza god and Orisha?

Mr, god does not necessary mean a being with supernatural attributes. Fela is my God and he is not a superbeing. My country is sacred which I worship. My parents are Gods which I pray to. My friends are Gods which I make sacrifice to. To top it all, I am a God, being a conscious being.


Like plaetton rightly put it, atheism should be 'non-belief' or better put anti-theism.

Over and over, you guys have proven atheism should not exist. It does not make any sense because there will always be 'with god'.

When people give you their definitions you refuse to accept it , you bring your own definition and try to force it as the general standard for all to accept, this seems to be your tactics all the time. . .

Here is the STANDARD definition of atheism from Wikipedia. . .

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism,[which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Atheism is also lack of belief in gods, by gods here I mean deities(You know that very well). . .When you talk about an art work being god or a Fela as god then you are not talking about theism or atheism and you aren't making any point when it comes to atheism. . .

FOLYKAZE:



Sorry for cutting down this. . . . .

Atheism is not a-theism. It is 'atheos' meaning without god. So atheism is not about theistic god but general god.

Going by your post, do you tell me you believe in pantheist god, spinoza god and Orisha?

Mr, god does not necessary mean a being with supernatural attributes. Fela is my God and he is not a superbeing. My country is sacred which I worship. My parents are Gods which I pray to. My friends are Gods which I make sacrifice to. To top it all, I am a God, being a conscious being.


Like plaetton rightly put it, atheism should be 'non-belief' or better put anti-theism.

Over and over, you guys have proven atheism should not exist. It does not make any sense because there will always be 'with god'.

It's like you have a problem with labels. Even the atheos you refer to is "a-theos". Theos is the root word of theism.
You don't seem to have a problem understanding which "theos" theism refers to. Somehow when it comes to atheism you ascribe another meaning to "theos".

Pantheism supposes that God (your so called 'theistic God') exists, and that God is not separate from the universe. Pantheists believe in the existence of this DIVINE BEING. I do not believe that such a God exists.

I'm not familiar with Orisha, but if it's divine and it's a being then it's a no for me.

The name God applies to a number of things, no doubt. However you are playing semantics here by asking atheists to disbelieve in the existence of anything named God. You might as well ask people who contest the existence of Jesus to concede defeat, because there is a man named Jesus in Spain right now.

You want atheism to be substituted with anti-theism? Will you then understand what the 'theism' in 'anti-theism' refers to, or will you still object that we cannot stand against the gallery in a theatre?

The issue with the name atheism is that it is being used to label persons who do not share a certain belief. There should be no label for such people, it is said, just as there is no label for people who do not play golf. The issue is not this one you are raising, which is pure semantics.

Muskeeto


You are right folykaze is just trying to force his definitions and belief on others but refusing to accept others view and I find it largely disturbing. Also I do not agree to that he is an atheist.


Besides, how you?

FOLYKAZE:


Like I asked Mazaje, do you believe in Iyale (Mother Earth)? She is a personification of Nature. She is pantheistic, anthromorphical and polythiestic Goddess. Been an atheist, do you disbelieve in the existence of God/Goddess; Mother Earth which is Nature? Do you disbelieve in the existnce of Nature?

You are here again with you merry go rounds,I asked you to give me one attribute of this mother earth of yours, you said one of her attributes is that she is eternal and can not die, when I took you up on it you ran away, trying to change the meaning of the word death. . .

Nature is simply nature, what is personification of nature?. . .How is nature a polytheistic goddess?. . .What attributes does this polytheist mother earth have as a god and role does earth play as a polytheist goddess?. . . How is nature a polytheist goddess?. . .Pls explain . . .

finofaya:


It's like you have a problem with labels. Even the atheos you refer to is "a-theos". Theos is the root word of theism.
You don't seem to have a problem understanding which "theos" theism refers to. Somehow when it comes to atheism you ascribe another meaning to "theos".

Pantheism supposes that God (your so called 'theistic God') exists, and that God is not separate from the universe. Pantheists believe in the existence of this DIVINE BEING. I do not believe that such a God exists.

I'm not familiar with Orisha, but if it's divine and it's a being then it's a no for me.

The name God applies to a number of things, no doubt. However you are playing semantics here by asking atheists to disbelieve in the existence of anything named God. You might as well ask people who contest the existence of Jesus to concede defeat, because there is a man named Jesus in Spain right now.

You want atheism to be substituted with anti-theism? Will you then understand what the 'theism' in 'anti-theism' refers to, or will you still object that we cannot stand against the gallery in a theatre?

The issue with the name atheism is that it is being used to label persons who do not share a certain belief. There should be no label for such people, it is said, just as there is no label for people who do not play golf. The issue is not this one you are raising, which is pure semantics.

I think you are the only one getting dorection where I drive at.

Starting with, I think atheists are disturbed with the label 'God'. These set of people I call Hateist. They hate everything that has to do with God.

Theos simply is God. It is a general name for divinities and deities. This is different from theism which is believe in the existence of theos. The dictionary put it as belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.

And atheism is atheos meaning without God. Not without theism. I hope you get that. The problem now is, theos here is general deities, not christian or Islamic deities only but ALL. So if God is defined as influencial person, do you as an atheist disbelieve in him or his existence?

Pantheism is the believe that the universe and totality of everything there in is God. My dog is god and I am too. We are part of the totality.

When we discuss about Orisha, pls keep divinity to one side. You are an Orisha. . . . . .your friend is Orisha, your country is Orisha, the body of water down the street is Orisha. Been an atheist, I am expecting you to disbelieve in your existence.

Those who believe in Jesus knows how to separate him from the ones living in Italy. The believers will likely point to christ or bible for the Jesus they mean. They will openly admit they dont believe in the Italian Jesus or that one playing football as their lord and saviour.



Now Mr, which of the God do you disbelieve in and which one do you believe in?

mazaje:


You are here again with you merry go rounds,I asked you to give me one attribute of this mother earth of yours, you said one of her attributes is that she is eternal and can not die, when I took you up on it you ran away, trying to change the meaning of the word death. . .

Nature is simply nature, what is personification of nature?. . .How is nature a polytheistic goddess?. . .What attributes does this polytheist mother earth have as a god and role does earth play as a polytheist goddess?. . . How is nature a polytheist goddess?. . .Pls explain . . .

Nature is God to the pantheist.

Using she, mother and humn attributes on nature is personification,

been worshipped as Goddess in many polytheistic spirituality and religion explain how it is a polytheistic goddess

FOLYKAZE:


Nature is God to the pantheist.

God as in a deity or just a label?. . .

Using she, mother and humn attributes on nature is personification,

OK. . .

been worshipped as Goddess in many polytheistic spirituality and religion explain how it is a polytheistic goddess

Then it becomes a deity and no longer the nature that we know. . .As a goddess it will have attributes and roles. . .

mazaje:


When people give you their definitions you refuse to accept it , you bring your own definition and try to force it as the general standard for all to accept, this seems to be your tactics all the time. . .

Here is the STANDARD definition of atheism from Wikipedia. . .

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism,[which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Atheism is also lack of belief in gods, by gods here I mean deities(You know that very well). . .When you talk about an art work being god or a Fela as god then you are not talking about theism or atheism and you aren't making any point when it comes to atheism. . .

Mr, what definition has anyone brought which is been denied by me? Can you pls point to one?

And I am not in any way forcing my definition on anybody. Simple google search will bring up same definition as mine. I know what atheism is. I understand you dont believe in christian god. . . . .but the question is how about other gods? Atheism is lack of believe in God. But does this include pantheistic God, spinoza god?

Putting a knife into that definition, we will have lot and lot to pack here.

1. Like we have there, atheism is lack of believe in the existence of deities or gods.

2. Atheism is constracted with theism.

3. Theism is belief in the existence of a god or gods. Theism does not depend upon how the term 'god' is defined. http://atheism.about.com/od/theismtheists/p/theism101.htm http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/religion/blrel_theism_what.htm

So in theism, God can still be define as person or country. Theism doesnot depend on definition but believe in God.

1 Nigeria is fit to be my deity meaning God because I serve, adore her. She influence me too.

2. I anthromorphise her.

3. Stepping into theism, I idolize her. Have her pictorial representaion on my wall.

4. I sing lot praises to her. Make lot of pledges to serve and be loyal to her.

5. I am not at the moment, some are dying for her.

6. She is too sacred for me.

7. You do too. So also other Nigerian atheists

Do you disbelieve God (Nigeria) exist?

mazaje:


God as in a deity or just a label?. . .

Is the God you disbelieve a name or label which refer to a special entity?

mazaje:

OK. . .

Then it becomes a deity and no longer the nature that we know. . .As a goddess it will have attributes and roles. . .

Nature has always been a deity or god to pantheist.

If I talk about Mother Earth, I am reffering to Nature.

Do you disbelieve in the existence of the goddess mother earth?

FOLYKAZE:


Is the God you disbelieve a name or label which refer to a special entity?

I asked because you once said god is just a label. . .

Nature has always been a deity or god to pantheist.

And what role does nature play as a deity?. . .What attributes does nature posses to make it a deity?. . .Why is nature a deity?. . .

If I talk about Mother Earth, I am reffering to Nature.

Do you disbelieve in the existence of the goddess mother earth?

Nature encompasses the universe not just the earth?. . .The earth is the earth(a planet in the solar system). How is it a goddess?. . .What makes it a goddess?. . .Define what a goddess is and explain to me how the earth is not a planet but a goddess. . .

Ymodulus:
All your explanation goes against fundamental tenets of Atheism.

How?

Ymodulus:
I am astounded as to why you call yourself an Atheist. Of which clearly you are not.

Spiritual atheist I am.

Ymodulus:
Buddhist Atheist ? Seriously? .

Yes

Ymodulus:
1. No do not be oppressive here folykaze. I said I do not consider them to be my god and you are forcing them to be my god. Read my article above I said definition of a Gos is clearly subjective not Objective so I actually don't know why you should say they are my God. Because they are irrelevant to me. I mean people of influence I do not worship them.

I am not the one that define people of influence as God. The dictionary does which I quoted from.

Are there people that influence you? They are your Gods.

And you worship them. Worshipping does not mean going to shrine or temple. I think that is where you are looking at.

You worhip lot of people unknowly to you.

Ymodulus:
2. You are quoting God from the dictionary. FolyKaze I believe you never read my reply. I will do you the favor of reposting it.

Are you telling me dictinary is not credible or relevant for quoting?

Ymodulus:
3. This is another reason I say you are oppressive with your ideas. Money is God as you said and that's to you or your Yorubas, but not me. Not even all yorubas take money as a god. And that's why I said the definition of God is a fluid concept that is largely subjective rather than objective.

Money been God does not ends with Yoruba culture alone. All Yorubas knows what Orisha Aje is. In english, Orisha Aje is god of wealth.

This might be a little bit coming from christian perspective.


Worshipping money; http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-04-25/features/sns-201204030000--tms--bgrahamctnym-a20120425apr25_1_idols-worship-god


From the freethinker forum,

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009/10/29/why-people-worship-money/&sa=U&ei=tDxfVLDnLIX5aoWEgJAM&ved=0CDEQFjAF&sig2=-rL-DmY3i-B2JbT69vXxFA&usg=AFQjCNFeQZMyuSia77tpk_au1V8O_LE1lQ

worshipping money.

Ymodulus:
4. God is creates things? Seriously? Did you say you are an Atheist? And you believe god creates things? I think at this point I don't have to go further any longer.

From the dictionary, God created things.

From physic textbook, energy made everything.

Therefore, energy is God.

Platteon can explain better.

Ymodulus:
Without much Ado I will paste my last reply and let you know my stand on this

Thanks

FOLYKAZE:


Mr, what definition has anyone brought which is been denied by me? Can you pls point to one?

And I am not in any way forcing my definition on anybody. Simple google search will bring up same definition as mine. I know what atheism is. I understand you dont believe in christian god. . . . .but the question is how about other gods? Atheism is lack of believe in God. But does this include pantheistic God, spinoza god?

Putting a knife into that definition, we will have lot and lot to pack here.

1. Like we have there, atheism is lack of believe in the existence of deities or gods.

2. Atheism is constracted with theism.

3. Theism is belief in the existence of a god or gods. Theism does not depend upon how the term 'god' is defined. http://atheism.about.com/od/theismtheists/p/theism101.htm http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/religion/blrel_theism_what.htm

So in theism, God can still be define as person or country. Theism doesnot depend on definition but believe in God.

1 Nigeria is fit to be my deity meaning God because I serve, adore her. She influence me too.

2. I anthromorphise her.

3. Stepping into theism, I idolize her. Have her pictorial representaion on my wall.

4. I sing lot praises to her. Make lot of pledges to serve and be loyal to her.

5. I am not at the moment, some are dying for her.

6. She is too sacred for me.

7. You do too. So also other Nigerian atheists

Do you disbelieve God (Nigeria) exist?

You are just playing your usual semantics game as always. . .My shit and urine are god. . .Nothing there. . .after all god to you as you said on the other thread is just a label. . .anything is god going by that. . .

mazaje:


I asked because you once said god is just a label. . .

Yes. . .the God you disbelieve in is included.

Name of or label attached to a thing is not the same as that thing.

mazaje:

And what role does nature play as a deity?. . .What attributes does nature posses to make it a deity?. . .Why is nature a deity?. . .

She provide food for us.

She giveth us life.

We live because the sun burn. . . .

I love looking at her beautiful face.

By the sun, plant and fresh air, I am blessed.

mazaje:

Nature encompasses the universe not just the earth?. . .The earth is the earth(a planet in the solar system). How is it a goddess?. . .What makes it a goddess?. . .Define what a goddess is and explain to me how the earth is not a planet but a goddess. . .

let me call plaetton here, he is a pantheist and should know this.

I remember he said the cosmos controls our behaviour.

The sun is sustaining and intervening in earth.

She is our God.

mazaje:


You are just playing your usual semantics game as always. . .My shit and urine are god. . .Nothing there. . .after all god to you as you said on the other thread is just a label. . . anything is god going by that. . .

Yes.

Do you disbelieve in the existence of God going by the bolded?

Remember you said disbelieve in that definition of God doesnt make sense. . . . .so tell us, do you disbelieve in God (Nature)?

Ymodulus:
Muskeeto


You are right folykaze is just trying to force his definitions and belief on others but refusing to accept others view and I find it largely disturbing. Also I do not agree to that he is an atheist.


Besides, how you?

The guy is confused.

I'm cool. Really nice to hear from you.