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noblezone:
I will give you an example.

A committee was raised to assist people displaced by Boko Haram.
N50 million was voted for that purpose.

Stealing:
All the monies were shared appropriately and food stuffs purchased. One of the committee members given 1000 bags of rice for a particular groups of the people. He stole 100 bags and and sent only 900 bags. that is stealing. It has nothing to do with government or the committee. It will be wrong to accuse the government or the committee of corruption. If that man is caught, he is on his own.


Corruption:
The committee members would agree to share some of the money among themselves. They would buy 200 bags of rice and record 2000 and then share the money.
Here you can accuse the committee of corruption.

Stealing is an individual being greedy.
Corruption is a collective greed of the people working together.

He was saying if somebody working for the government stole, it is not enough to conclude the government is corrupt.
You have people working in banks that steal. That a staff of a bank stole does not mean the bank is corrupt.
Bank becomes corrupt when all the workers work together consciously to cheat their customers.

I blame Mr. President though for using such words to communicate to a people who are already closed minded.
He should have know that Nigeria is a jungle where survival of the most brutal is the only law.

This your analysis is wrong. Corruption and stealing can be done individually or collectively,it all depends on the circumstances surrounding it. Corruption is anything or action or word that is morally and ethically wrong and which will have negative impact on others. Based on this definition,are u now saying whatever stealing done by a person or collectivelly is morally or ethically right? Stealing,vulgar words,bribery,abuse of office etc are corruption.

noblezone:
I will give you an example.

A committee was raised to assist people displaced by Boko Haram.
N50 million was voted for that purpose.

Stealing:
All the monies were shared appropriately and food stuffs purchased. One of the committee members given 1000 bags of rice for a particular groups of the people. He stole 100 bags and and sent only 900 bags. that is stealing. It has nothing to do with government or the committee. It will be wrong to accuse the government or the committee of corruption. If that man is caught, he is on his own.


Corruption:
The committee members would agree to share some of the money among themselves. They would buy 200 bags of rice and record 2000 and then share the money.
Here you can accuse the committee of corruption.

Stealing is an individual being greedy.
Corruption is a collective greed of the people working together.

He was saying if somebody working for the government stole, it is not enough to conclude the government is corrupt.
You have people working in banks that steal. That a staff of a bank stole does not mean the bank is corrupt.
Bank becomes corrupt when all the workers work together consciously to cheat their customers.

I blame Mr. President though for using such words to communicate to a people who are already closed minded.
He should have know that Nigeria is a jungle where survival of the most brutal is the only law.

Gbam


Stealing is personal while Corruption is systematic.

supersonic:
This your analysis is wrong. Corruption and stealing can be done individually or collectively,it all depends on the circumstances surrounding it. Corruption is anything or action or word that is morally and ethically wrong and which will have negative impact on others. Based on this definition,are u now saying whatever stealing done by a person or collectivelly is morally or ethically right? Stealing,vulgar words,bribery,abuse of office etc are corruption.

The problem with you APC members is that you oppose everything presidency without trying to see an iota of good in the presidency.


Corruption is more of a system fault and collective action.


A minister steals doesn't mean the government is corrupt. It is only when the government supports or protects such minister that you can call such government corrupt.

All ministers who have being accused of corruption with tangible evidence have been dropped . True or False.

Horus:
Why play with the definition of words: stealing or corruption., the result is the same; money is missing to build roads, hospitals, schools, railways, etc

You mean money is missing when Public Servants and Politicians engage in nepotism, breach of due process and bypass bureaucracy.

I am not a thief for employing my cousin who scored 85% instead of your brother who got 89% rather I am corrupt notwithstanding that my cousin had excellent performance and more also the system that should have corrected it and penalised me becomes complacent and sees it as normal.

You know say GEJ no be orator like that.

Corruption is an act of serving self interest. For example if you are an admin staff in your office and you collect 10% of monies payable to your office vendor to enable you approve his payment then you are corrupt.

You didn't steal your company's money but you corruptly enriched yourself. Stealing is directly taking what is not your's. Still not as simple as it looks because stealing is a symptom or offshoot of a corrupt person...

noblezone:
I will give you an example.

A committee was raised to assist people displaced by Boko Haram.
N50 million was voted for that purpose.

Stealing:
All the monies were shared appropriately and food stuffs purchased. One of the committee members given 1000 bags of rice for a particular groups of the people. He stole 100 bags and and sent only 900 bags. that is stealing. It has nothing to do with government or the committee. It will be wrong to accuse the government or the committee of corruption. If that man is caught, he is on his own.


Corruption:
The committee members would agree to share some of the money among themselves. They would buy 200 bags of rice and record 2000 and then share the money.
Here you can accuse the committee of corruption.

Stealing is an individual being greedy.
Corruption is a collective greed of the people working together.

He was saying if somebody working for the government stole, it is not enough to conclude the government is corrupt.
You have people working in banks that steal. That a staff of a bank stole does not mean the bank is corrupt.
Bank becomes corrupt when all the workers work together consciously to cheat their customers.

I blame Mr. President though for using such words to communicate to a people who are already closed minded.
He should have know that Nigeria is a jungle where survival of the most brutal is the only law.

I'd appreciate your willingness to educate us on diffence between corruption and stealing but i stand to diagree with you on your explanation. In your analogy you said stealing is an individual thing while corruption is systemic. According to webster dictionary; corruption is defined as lacking of integrity (suscepible to bribery) use of a position of trust for dishonest gain. From this definition it clearly shows corruption is independent of wether system or individuals involved rather it potrays the character of the system or person. Corruption also is not limited only to financial transaction but also to moral behavior, a hypocrite can be said to be morally corrupt

My friend, drop the sentiment. You, my very self, GEJ and others know that this government as well as those before are CORRUPT and STEALs

A spade remain spade mo matter the make or color!

noblezone:
You simply do not understand the meaning of a context!

there is no argument about the fact that stealing is an aspect of corruption.

The point is this:

We are seven in my family! We are saddled with the responsibility of keeping money for the community.
One of then took some money on his capacity! He stole and is guilty, but you wont say my family is corrupt because one of us stole.

The family is corrupt when every one of us to collude. It is not just stealing anymore. It is a system and culture of stealing.
Saying a government is corrupt when an individual stole is like calling my a family of thieves because I stole.

There was a context Mr. President spoke on.
He was saying, because an individual in my government stole, does not mean my government is corrupt.

He was neither defending stealing nor defending corruption.

Now, whether he is stealing or his government is corrupt is another ball game altogether.
This thing is very simple to understand but it seems some of you are already blinded with sentiments.

Stealing is no doubt an act of corruption; the latter being a more broader definition of several other unethical acts (which also include stealing).

The president badly goofed, like many of his misguided supporters here woefully trying to launder his already tarnished image, when he tried to disengaged stealing from this broader umbrella of perspective.

In this regard, anybody who steals i.e. unlawfully takes something not belonging to him for himself or other(s) (whether collectively or individually; in a private capacity or public capacity) can rightly be said to have committed an act of corruption and he himself can be said to be corrupt.
But conversely, a corrupt person may not necessarily be a thief or have committed an act of theft, if for example: he favours a less qualified person (friend/relative) for a job, contract etc. but would have committed an act of corruption.

The message the president was sending out by such needless statement was completely wrong and epitomises he himself and his government for earning the unfortunate accolade of the most corrupt regime in Nigeria's history.

What I know is that in the GEJ's New Revised Standard Dictionary stealing is not corruption but a normal norm of Nigerian Politicians. I hope Mr President define "Stealing" for us to know.

Whats the difference?

simpleseyi:
Two barrels . It is still better than nothing. I am from Ogun State and oyel has been discovered in commercial quantity, but so far, we have produced two barrels. That still does not give the president the right to use over one billion naira yearly to feed his hippopo wife and the baby hippopo son. Abi na human being them dey chop, even if na human being, these Nigeriens begging on the streets and the Beninoire under-aged kids brought daily to Lagos as domestic slaves don't cost more than 50,000 naira at the slave market.

u r disgusting.y use such bad words?

Very impressive thread...exactly what a forum should be.

Welldone guys...I'm learning

that's ti say ,we 've not see anything yet .....we should just wait for his second time to see stealing and corruption to the fullest

[quote
author=simpleseyi post=28615117]Mr SSS, do you want my house address? Please ask Google. The president
and his numerous bedmates should be sued for defamation of the
characters of Nigerians by making the international community see all
Nigerians as looters because of the way they have been looting and
exporting Nigeria's money to international banks.[/quote]and yet will all ur allegations,one of them ladies is OPEC cheif,abi she mess all them arabs.hatred na disease

You people are funny.

Saying 'stealing is not corruption'
is like saying

'rice is not food'.

Some are trying to justify that errorneous and ridiculous statement.
Just like saying.

'Rice is not the only food, Beans is also food'.

Cheers.

EasternLeopard:
Gbam


Stealing is personal while Corruption is systematic.

Systemic not systematic

This is quite irritating.

People trying to prove GEJ right with the daftest statement made by a sitting Nigerian president.

"Corruption" is a means to an end....."To Steal".

The aim of corruption is to steal somthing.....could be public funds, property, opportunity, power etc.

.

This thread shows how low we have fallen. Maybe we were always like this but we just didn't want to admit it to ourselves.

A sitting president makes the kind of outrageous comments that in saner climes would have brought down his government in 24 hours. In Nigeria we sit and DO NOTHING.

There is more than enough evidence that the current administration is not accountable to Nigerians and is working against their interests. This thread proves it. The question is whether Nigerians are ready to do the hard work required, come February 14 next year.

We shall see.

VolvoS60:


This thread shows how low we have fallen. Maybe we were always like this but we just didn't want to admit it to ourselves.

A sitting president makes the kind of outrageous comments that in saner climes would have brought down his government in 24 hours. In Nigeria we sit and DO NOTHING.

There is more than enough evidence that the current administration is not accountable to Nigerians and is working against their interests. This thread proves it. The question is whether Nigerians are ready to do the hard work required, come February 14 next year.

We shall see.

100% On Spot.

Ngwakwe:
You mean money is missing when Public Servants and Politicians engage in nepotism, breach of due process and bypass bureaucracy.

I am not a thief for employing my cousin who scored 85% instead of your brother who got 89% rather I am corrupt notwithstanding that my cousin had excellent performance and more also the system that should have corrected it and penalised me becomes complacent and sees it as normal.

this post has broken it down to such a level that even a kindergarten kid can understand it..

noblezone:
You simply do not understand the meaning of a context!

there is no argument about the fact that stealing is an aspect of corruption.

The point is this:

We are seven in my family! We are saddled with the responsibility of keeping money for the community.
One of then took some money on his capacity! He stole and is guilty, but you wont say my family is corrupt because one of us stole.

The family is corrupt when every one of us to collude. It is not just stealing anymore. It is a system and culture of stealing.
Saying a government is corrupt when an individual stole is like calling my a family of thieves because I stole.

There was a context Mr. President spoke on.
He was saying, because an individual in my government stole, does not mean my government is corrupt.

He was neither defending stealing nor defending corruption.

Now, whether he is stealing or his government is corrupt is another ball game altogether.
This thing is very simple to understand but it seems some of you are already blinded with sentiments.

^^^^
It seems this is all a game to you.

The very real consequences of the PDP's failure (of which GEJ's government is the most recent example) to live up to its responsibilities are all around us. And yet you consider it 'noble' to take your countrymen on an uneccessary diversion, splitting hairs on 'contextual meaning' and the like.

The worst part of it all is that your 'thesis' is disingenuous. Corruption is not a game of numbers as your crude theory of 7 family members implies. No. The key issue here is the consequences (or lack thereof) for unlawful activity and this is where the GEJ administration has flat out failed. You know this is true. The most compelling evidence of your hack writing is that in your theory, you did not in any way touch on the CONSEQUENCES of stealing for the one member of the family who unlawfully took the money placed in his care. That is the heart of the matter. There are no consequences for wrongdoing in the GEJ administration and that is why it is corrupt. Period.

Nigerians know what they need to do in February next year to force their leaders to be accountable. Whether they have the guts and single mindedness to do it is another matter altogether.

We shall see.

noblezone:
I will give you an example.

A committee was raised to assist people displaced by Boko Haram.
N50 million was voted for that purpose.

Stealing:
All the monies were shared appropriately and food stuffs purchased. One of the committee members given 1000 bags of rice for a particular groups of the people. He stole 100 bags and and sent only 900 bags. that is stealing. It has nothing to do with government or the committee. It will be wrong to accuse the government or the committee of corruption. If that man is caught, he is on his own.


Corruption:
The committee members would agree to share some of the money among themselves. They would buy 200 bags of rice and record 2000 and then share the money.
Here you can accuse the committee of corruption.

Stealing is an individual being greedy.
Corruption is a collective greed of the people working together.

He was saying if somebody working for the government stole, it is not enough to conclude the government is corrupt.
You have people working in banks that steal. That a staff of a bank stole does not mean the bank is corrupt.
Bank becomes corrupt when all the workers work together consciously to cheat their customers.

I blame Mr. President though for using such words to communicate to a people who are already closed minded.
He should have know that Nigeria is a jungle where survival of the most brutal is the only law.

Going by your logic, a minister that steals does so on his own accord, will it also be fair to praise the minister for his achievements instead of the government?
Also, if each minister, senator, governor or any individual in a position steal without the corroboration of others, it is still fair to tag it as stealing and not corruption?
Point is if you know a thief and don't report the thief to the appropriate authority, technically you're also a thief (corrupt)
For the President to admit to the activities of thieves and still not do anything to forestall or checkmate them, he is also corrupt...

Stealing is not corruption

noblezone:
I will give you an example.

A committee was raised to assist people displaced by Boko Haram.
N50 million was voted for that purpose.

Stealing:
All the monies were shared appropriately and food stuffs purchased. One of the committee members given 1000 bags of rice for a particular groups of the people. He stole 100 bags and and sent only 900 bags. that is stealing. It has nothing to do with government or the committee. It will be wrong to accuse the government or the committee of corruption. If that man is caught, he is on his own.


Corruption:
The committee members would agree to share some of the money among themselves. They would buy 200 bags of rice and record 2000 and then share the money.
Here you can accuse the committee of corruption.

Stealing is an individual being greedy.
Corruption is a collective greed of the people working together.

He was saying if somebody working for the government stole, it is not enough to conclude the government is corrupt.
You have people working in banks that steal. That a staff of a bank stole does not mean the bank is corrupt.
Bank becomes corrupt when all the workers work together consciously to cheat their customers.

I blame Mr. President though for using such words to communicate to a people who are already closed minded.
He should have know that Nigeria is a jungle where survival of the most brutal is the only law.

nice one bro

bilms:
Stealing is not corruption

Trillions of Naira stolen, yet it is not big enough to considered stealing

I am somewhat confused after reading through the posts.
Can someone kindly make a very clear distinction between stealing and corruption for me.
It may be good to use previous administrations/officers as examples.
I am even more confused by the declaration of Abacha as not corrupt (by Babangida and Buhari), yet funds are being returned to Nigeria from different domains. (for my source(s) see below)
In the light of this I think the Nigerian ruling elite have their own perception of stealing and corruption.
To me however, though they might have different definitions, in practice I think they are more often than not interwoven.

"Two former heads of state and a military president yesterday rose in stout defence of their late colleague, Gen. Sani Abacha. The former rulers are Gen. Abdulsalami Abubakar, and Gen. Muhammadu Buhari, who served in the Abacha regime as chairman of the defunct Petroleum Trust Fund (PTF) declared that there was no basis for accusing Abacha of corruption."
----- Guardian Newspapers Monday June 9, 2008.

www.vanguardngr.com/.../state-jersey-return-315m-abacha-loot-nigeria/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27926100
('Abacha loot': Nigeria to get $227m from Liechtenstein)
http://www.tvcnews.tv/?q=article/nigeria-us700-million-abacha-loot-fully-returned-swiss-envoy
https://www.nairaland.com/2024279/channels-island-return-315m-abacha