Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by ceejay80s(m): 3:24pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
tebirim: Is that how your pastor rob? Many are called but few are chosen...my pastor is not a robber like yours...sorry you better change Church. Stingy and greedy people keep complaining. Giving is biblical both tithe and offering. Even 1st fruit too is biblical.bring all thy substance into the store house, the store house can also be attributed to the Church, the needy and those in prison. You have your reasons why you don't wanna give and you accuse pastors so you can have enough reason not to pay your tithe and offering. Many persons have had strange encounter from just giving. You better learn to give today and remove that devilish heart that is telling you not to give because you want to know what your tithe is being used for after you have paid them. ![tongue](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/tongue.png) must u quote everything ? Or are u a newbie 3 Likes |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Nobody: 3:25pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
tebirim: Is that how your pastor rob? Many are called but few are chosen...my pastor is not a robber like yours...sorry you better change Church. Stingy and greedy people keep complaining. Giving is biblical both tithe and offering. Even 1st fruit too is biblical.bring all thy substance into the store house, the store house can also be attributed to the Church, the needy and those in prison. You have your reasons why you don't wanna give and you accuse pastors so you can have enough reason not to pay your tithe and offering. Many persons have had strange encounter from just giving. You better learn to give today and remove that devilish heart that is telling you not to give because you want to know what your tithe is being used for after you have paid them. ![tongue](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/tongue.png) Ask your PASTOR to get a Real Job and to stop stealing money from the poor. 8 Likes |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Nobody: 3:25pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
Next ceejay80s:
must u quote everything ? Or are u a newbie |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by hardbody: 3:27pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
phemmylink: Lengthy post.. but this issue caused rukus in my church today when I raised the fact the Jesus our role model as Christians did not pay first fruit nor tithe.. A cumbersome and controversial topic.. one have to be careful when you are grazing the surface.. and ask the Holy spirit to give one better understanding.. am not saying it is wrong neither am I saying otherwise Nice of you to have raised it. Further note that the bible has no records of early christians doing it. This exponential idea only recently gained ground and our so called pastors have leeched on it to scam magas dry. Thank God for analytical wisdom. 1 Like |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by chronique(m): 3:28pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
Givers never lack. I give in my church when there is an opportunity to do so and I can say of a truth that,there's a turn around in my finances. I give cheerfully and that's why I am being blessed. If the giving is not from your heart,don't bother. Remember Cain and Abel. 2 Likes |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Nobody: 3:29pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
podosci: Religion has turned humans into zombies...... During ma NYSC orientation camp, the church in the camp told corpers that there first allowance belonged to the church, that was not strange since churches hav been riping zombies off since 1800BC, but what was strange was when the pastor said the allowance MUST be givn to the NYSC camp church and no other church that it belonged to the NYSC church......All humans were born free but alot were enslaved from child birth Because of that nonsense I challenged the pastor in camp o and people were looking at me. That was how I decided not to follow d church outta camp and went on my own. I won't call d name of the church buh hell yea! I provoke follow d pastor and oda corpers back me up. Churches these day is strictly biz to meek ignorant people. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by TTOPSON(m): 3:31pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
Nigeria the most religious country but lacks the fear of God............... 7 Likes |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Nobody: 3:32pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
chronique: Givers never lack. I give in my church when there is an opportunity to do so and I can say of a truth that,there's a turn around in my finances. I give cheerfully and that's why I am being blessed. If the giving is not from your heart,don't bother. Remember Cain and Abel. So how come atheists , Muslims and non-religious Christians like me and countless others are truly blessed and yet we do not give a dime in tithes or first fruits ? Use you brain. 6 Likes |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by alexanderdeg: 3:33pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
The best thing is to use one's senses , give wisely from your heart ....... 1 Like |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Nobody: 3:34pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
Your money doesn't count...how much do u think you give to God in a year? But you wan rich and get good job? Ingrates frosbel:
Ask your PASTOR to get a Real Job and to stop stealing money from the poor.
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Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Nobody: 3:35pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
engees001: Give and it shal be given unto u The Bible say give from ur heart at ur own convenient hour and not one id1ot making it a must for you to give out ur entire salary and die of hunger when u knw u use it for survival or as if if you didn't give God won't bless you. Stop misquoting the Bible ![angry](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/angry.png) 4 Likes |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Nobody: 3:36pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
There is nothing like non religious Christian... You are either a Christian or a Muslim. frosbel:
So how come atheists , Muslims and non-religious Christians like me and countless others are truly blessed and yet we do not give a dime in tithes or first fruits ?
Use you brain. 1 Like |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Nobody: 3:36pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
tebirim: Your money doesn't count...how much do u think you give to God in a year? But you wan rich and get good job? Ingrates I infer from your comment that you are actually a Pastor. So again, I say GO AND GET A JOB, stop depending on the hard earned money of our younger ones and increasing the level of hardship in their lives. ![](https://m.c.lnkd.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/p/4/005/066/35b/0d566d5.jpg) 3 Likes |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by laimo(m): 3:38pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
The end of Aribisala and his gibberish ignorance.
Aribisala hates pastors now? I hate Aribisala's lack of knowledge. 1 Like |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by lastmessenger: 3:38pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
If you keep your brain at home when going to church then expect to be fleeced. Is time Christians start using their brains 3 Likes |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Nobody: 3:40pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
Sorry bro... I am not a pastor, my father is not a pastor too...so you get my point now right? Learn to give and remove your mind from it. Don't worry yourself who eats the money. If you gave with your heart, you'll receive the fathers blessings... frosbel:
I infer from your comment that you are actually a Pastor. So again, I say GO AND GET A JOB, stop depending on the hard earned money of our younger ones and increasing the level of hardship in their lives.
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Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by chronique(m): 3:41pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
You should be the one to use your brain. If you can't understand something this basic,I wonder what you'd understand. frosbel:
So how come atheists , Muslims and non-religious Christians like me and countless others are truly blessed and yet we do not give a dime in tithes or first fruits ?
Use you brain. |
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Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Pajames4all: 3:44pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
why |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Reference(m): 3:45pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
Firstly poster, if you love you will give. The same way you try to impress your girlfriend, your spouse, your parents is the same way you should try and impress the God you claim you love. 'For God so loved the world that He gave....' In fact, you can give without loving but you cannot love without giving.
Secondly, you may ask but God is not in need. True. He is the Author and Creator of all so why are we asked to give. Because God wants us to be partakers of His nature which is love thereby expunging from our system the worldly way of lust and greed. It is a platform of opportunity. It is a theatre of proof that one has escaped the power of satan that desires us to accumulate more and more. All great men of wealth and power in scriptures were tested. Some passed, some didn't.
Thirdly, Cain brought pickings of his huntings and Abel, produce of cultivation because those were the jobs available then. That was the currency of exchange. In the New Testament Peter offered his boat to Jesus as an offering. He was a fisherman. Jesus watched as the poor widow threw coins into collection. She was able to monetise her offerings. No one stops you from bringing whatever you wish unto the Lord but in these days of a unitary system of exchange in commerce and enterprise the easiest (for you the giver and the receiver) way to offer value will be through money. As in tithes it is quantifiable and best represents the produce of whatever effort God has enabled you make at work.
Even if you were a farmer today I doubt if you will take kindly to your boss paying you in catfish, eggs or ugwu leaves. 1 Like |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by AJ01(m): 3:49pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
Titilayodeji13:
The armed robber takes your money from you with a gun in his hand: the pastor takes your money by brandishing a bible. Jesus berated the mercenary religious leaders of biblical days. He told them: “‘It is written, my house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’” (Matthew 21:13). This word remains pertinent to pastors in the churches of today. They come up with all kinds of schemes designed to squeeze money out of their church-members. They search the scriptures, looking for quotable quotes that can be used to make merchandise of men. Some of their favourites are those scriptures dealing with giving first-fruits to priests. Fleecing the flock Those months with names ending with “ember” in English are sometimes referred to as the “ember” months. These include September, October, November and December. Strictly-speaking, October does not fit this bill; otherwise it would have been called “Octoember.” Nevertheless, it is conventional also to include it as one of the “ember” months. In these months, there is a definite change of emphasis in the messages preached by pastors in many of today’s new generation churches. If you have been paying attention, you would have noticed this already. In the “ember” months, pastors start to talk repeatedly about the need to give “first-fruits;” laying down the foundation for a major robbery routinely planned for January. In the Old Testament, first-fruits were required to be given to priests. Ezekiel says: “The best of all the first-fruits and of all your special gifts will belong to the priests.” (Ezekiel 44:30). This scripture is seized on by today’s money-grubbing pastors who now insist that the “first- fruits” of all the members of their congregation must be handed over to them. This is disingenuous because, in the New Testament, there is actually no longer an exclusive priesthood. Instead, Jesus has made all believers: “kings and priests to our God.” (Revelation 5:10). But this fact is conveniently ignored by today’s first- fruits collectors. First-fruits were given to priests because they were not allowed to own landed- property in Israel. God said: “I am to be the only inheritance the priests have. You are to give them no possession in Israel; I will be their possession.” (Ezekiel 44:28-29). However, the pastors of today are men of means and property owners. In no way whatsoever do they fit the bill of a people without inheritance who only have God as their possession. Indeed, some of today’s mega-pastors are multi-millionaires who drive around with bodyguards in a cortege of Jeeps and even fly around in private jets. Fruits of money As the word indicates, first-fruits were strictly-speaking agricultural produce. Moses says: “The first of the first-fruits of your land you shall bring into the house of the LORD your God.” (Exodus 23:19). This shows first-fruits were crops. Indeed, money was never regarded as first-fruit in the bible; neither was it ever paid as such. However, today’s pastors would not find it funny if you were to bring your first-fruits to them in bananas or pineapples. First- fruits are now only acceptable in cash or cheque. If you ask why, don’t be surprised if you are told that: “Money is the answer to everything.” (Ecclesiastes 10:19). Scripturally, first-fruits were only required from Jews living in Israel because God gave them their land. First- fruits were inapplicable to Israelites living in foreign lands. This also means first- fruits are inapplicable to today’s Christians who are mostly non-Israelis and do not live in Israel. Nevertheless, pastors hoodwink Christians by claiming there are special blessings attendant upon giving first-fruits to pastors anywhere. In biblical days, first-fruits were not required from those in non-agrarian trades, such as carpenters or fishermen because these professions were not tied to the land. However, today’s opportunist pastors collect first-fruits from anybody and everybody. It should be clear from the foregoing therefore that pastors who insist on collecting first-fruits in the churches of today are nothing but thieves and robbers. The armed robber takes your money from you with a gun in his hand: the pastor takes your money by brandishing a bible. Bonanza It used to be the case that first-fruits were defined as a Christian’s first salary after leaving school and securing gainful employment. But some pastors quickly realised that this only gives them the right to a Christian’s salary once in a lifetime. Therefore, this soon became inadequate, leading to more ingenious and more financially lucrative biblical “revelations” about first-fruits. Many pastors now insist that since the January salary is the first in the year, it legally falls under the definition of first- fruits. Therefore, they now require that all church-goers hand over to them their entire January salaries in the name of first-fruits. This makes the first-fruits boon far more profitable than the tithe; which is just a tenth of the Christian’s salary. Moreover, the tithe is nominally given to “the church.” The “first-fruits” is a far more rewarding scam because the money is specifically addressed to the pastor. If this “godliness” is taught effectively, a pastor can make a bundle of money at the beginning of every year. Just do the maths. Imagine a situation where the pastor gets the January salary of every single member of his congregation. Depending on the size of his church, he can get in one bonanza enough money to last him a lifetime. Is it any wonder, therefore, that pastors are very zealous in preaching about first-fruits in the “ember” months? Many even refuse to be limited to their churches. Turn onto Christian television such as the Trinity Broadcasting Network in the “ember” months, and you are likely to find Paula White or Steve Munsey extolling the blessings of giving first- fruits. Of course, the first-fruits must be sent to them and to no one else. Comeuppance In one of Nigeria’s big churches with a large branch-network, the pastors were making a killing collecting first-fruits. But one of them used the money to put up a church building. This went a long way to endear him to his congregants. Other pastors who had nothing to show for the first-fruits they collected became concerned that the pastor would soon bring them into disrepute. So they decided to take “appropriate” action. They reported him to the General Overseer of the church. His transgression was that he put up an entire church building single-handedly. So doing, they claimed, he prevented others from getting blessed by not taking contributions from them. The General Overseer wondered where he got the money to erect the entire building by himself. So they told him the money came from the first-fruits he collected from his church-members. The General Overseer became even more curious. Just how much first-fruit were these pastors collecting? He was astonished to discover the sums involved. It was unacceptable that such lucrative business was taking place in his churches without due recognition for his position. Therefore, he fired a memo to all his parishes: henceforth, all first-fruits must be forwarded intact to headquarters. However, his memo backfired. Thereafter, his subordinate pastors noticeably lost all interest in collecting first-fruits. “Let everybody shout hallelujah.” “They are greedy dogs which never have enough. And they are pastors who cannot understand; they all look to their own way, every one for his own gain, from his own territory.” (Isaiah 56:11).
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By Femi Aribisala. sorry 2 long can't read ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Nobody: 3:50pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
It is a shame. It really is. Like I said, No pastor born of the union between a man and woman can tell me otherwise about tithes and offerings.
If you think the reason to give is because you want a miracle or because you want God to bless you, please pay. All the tithes and offering we pay should be enough to make God intervene in our poverty and penury we live in. As a matter of fact it would seem that the more the churches we have in Nigeria, the poorer the people are becoming and the worse the country is becoming. Also the more people commit evil IN THE NAME OF GOD.
Even if the bible clearly stated that people should not pay tithes, Nigerians in particular and Humans in general will still pay to someone. Because I see no where the early Christians or Christ and his follower put on white garments, went about barefooted, bowed to Mary in obeisance or in honor of her, prayed through any saint, demand for tithes, or went about disturbing the neighborhood.
LIKE I SAID, NO PASTOR, NON ALIVE NOW AND NON TO COME IN FUTURE will do all this abracadabra to me. You wont touch me and I fall and you wont see my tithe or first fruit. It is a handsome sum, but it is not meant for you! Those that are in real need will get their needs met as best as I can. You can never sow fear in me about canker worms, because I wonder why the canker worms do not attack Bill Gates and Dangote and the majority of people in Europe, America or Asia who do not believe. As a mater of fact they have a better standard of living than practically every Nigerian. You cannot sow fear about my Uncle being a wizard or my Aunt being a witch or that evil arrows are flying around me. You cannot tell me to bring a white handkerchief to church or buy a special oil. You cannot tell me that I need to pray against any flying arrows from my colleague at work, because another pastor will tell me that what he sees is a python coming to swallow me, while yet another will say it is an ancestral alter or shrine. And then I ask are all these men getting all these varying messages from the same GOD?! Really? So na only me waka come wey God dey give una conflicting messages?
Religion, cults, sects and other such groups have come to stay. They will forever be part of human existence. But as long as you do not try to shove your fantasy down my throat, then I have no problem with you at all. After all we celebrate Xmas even when we know Christ was not born on the 25th of December. So there are many more things we do just because it is generally acceptable to do so regardless of whether it is right or wrong. 10 Likes |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Oluwajuwonlo1(m): 3:50pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
Lips sealed! 1 Like |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Famocious(m): 3:52pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
that reminds me today's sunday school lesson...those that attend any parishes of my church will understand me better ! 2 Likes |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Nobody: 3:53pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
Stelvin101:
The Bible say give from ur heart at ur own convenient hour and not one id1ot making it a must for you to give out ur entire salary and die of hunger when u knw u use it for survival or as if if you didn't give God won't bless you. Stop misquoting the Bible ![angry](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/angry.png) I never misquoted d bible, is just dat dats is most likely used quotes by some pastors |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Nobody: 3:56pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
engees001:
I never misquoted d bible, is just dat dats is most likely used quotes by some pastors Lolz. Ohh okay ![smiley](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/smiley.png) |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Nobody: 3:57pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
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Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by demsid(m): 4:03pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
lilmax: The hustle is real the shit just got real. when a church now have an ATM machine for tithes. 1 Like |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Nobody: 4:04pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
phemmylink: Lengthy post.. but this issue caused rukus in my church today when I raised the fact the Jesus our role model as Christians did not pay first fruit nor tithe.. A cumbersome and controversial topic.. one have to be careful when you are grazing the surface.. and ask the Holy spirit to give one better understanding.. am not saying it is wrong neither am I saying otherwise I can see fear in ur comment and dis is our problem in naija! We r too afraid. 1 Like |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Nobody: 4:05pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
I give offering every Sunday and thanksgiving once every year.Any other donations or payments,not me. 1 Like |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by etimwillz: 4:08pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
Stelvin101:
Lolz. Ohh okay ![smiley](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/smiley.png) Stelvin101:
Lolz. Ohh okay ![smiley](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/smiley.png) Stelvin101:
Lolz. Ohh okay ![smiley](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/smiley.png) tebirim: i seriously think u r 1 of d nany gullible pple in dis countryIs that how your pastor rob? Many are called but few are chosen...my pastor is not a robber like yours...sorry you better change Church. Stingy and greedy people keep complaining. Giving is biblical both tithe and offering. Even 1st fruit too is biblical.bring all thy substance into the store house, the store house can also be attributed to the Church, the needy and those in prison. You have your reasons why you don't wanna give and you accuse pastors so you can have enough reason not to pay your tithe and offering. Many persons have had strange encounter from just giving. You better learn to give today and remove that devilish heart that is telling you not to give because you want to know what your tithe is being used for after you have paid them. ![tongue](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/tongue.png) |
Re: "First-Fruits": Pastors Are Planning A Major Robbery In January by Reference(m): 4:08pm On Dec 14, 2014 |
dabriggs: It is a shame. It really is. Like I said, No pastor born of the union between a man and woman can tell me otherwise about tithes and offerings.
If you think the reason to give is because you want a miracle or because you want God to bless you, please pay. All the tithes and offering we pay should be enough to make God intervene in our poverty and penury we live in. As a matter of fact it would seem that the more the churches we have in Nigeria, the poorer the people are becoming and the worse the country is becoming. Also the more people commit evil IN THE NAME OF GOD.
Even if the bible clearly stated that people should not pay tithes, Nigerians in particular and Humans in general will still pay to someone. Because I see no where the early Christians or Christ and his follower put on white garments, went about barefooted, bowed to Mary in obeisance or in honor of her, prayed through any saint, demand for tithes, or went about disturbing the neighborhood.
LIKE I SAID, NO PASTOR, NON ALIVE NOW AND NON TO COME IN FUTURE will do all this abracadabra to me. You wont touch me and I fall and you wont see my tithe or first fruit. It is a handsome sum, but it is not meant for you! Those that are in real need will get their needs met as best as I can. You can never sow fear in me about canker worms, because I wonder why the canker worms do not attack Bill Gates and Dangote and the majority of people in Europe, America or Asia who do not believe. As a mater of fact they have a better standard of living than practically every Nigerian. You cannot sow fear about my Uncle being a wizard or my Aunt being a witch or that evil arrows are flying around me. You cannot tell me to bring a white handkerchief to church or buy a special oil. You cannot tell me that I need to pray against any flying arrows from my colleague at work, because another pastor will tell me that what he sees is a python coming to swallow me, while yet another will say it is an ancestral alter or shrine. And then I ask are all these men getting all these varying messages from the same GOD?! Really? So na only me waka come wey God dey give una conflicting messages?
Religion, cults, sects and other such groups have come to stay. They will forever be part of human existence. But as long as you do not try to shove your fantasy down my throat, then I have no problem with you at all. After all we celebrate Xmas even when we know Christ was not born on the 25th of December. So there are many more things we do just because it is generally acceptable to do so regardless of whether it is right or wrong.
Well Christianity is a Faith and flies in the face of worldly logic. That is why God says we are not of the world. Our eyes are firmly set on Jesus who similarly faced many, many contradictions. When people pay certain offerings they are: Not looking at man, but are looking at God. They are principled after the fact that offerings are most times 'burnt', that is destroyed, that is consumed without recourse, that is unaccountable. Finally, that if a sacrificial offering is not 'painful', and depriving, then its of little value irrespective of the quantity. And much more. These things my friend will be impossible for a man of little faith to grasp thoughtless of an unbeliever. I dare to tell you that as the world gets harder and priests become greedy, our faith in the Word should grow stronger and we give even more to pull further away from the crowd. That is faith. |