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MikeCZAR:
Retired pilots in SAAF similar to the SF form the reserve.

Even Cameroon has retired pilots as reserve, and then...

agaugust:
Dunce of Gauteng, you just messed up again as usual, tell me, how old are you? Are you married with kids? You are comparing 1,400 ton Type 056 with NNS Centennary of 1,800 tons, I just told you Nigerian navy's version is specially customized and far bigger, see how envy makes you embarrass yourself.

One day Lesotho people will log on to Nairaland and read shocking things about South African brains, that is the day Lesotho will start offering educational scholarship to South African students on compassionate grounds
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Lol

The Gowind STILL weighs more

The Gowind STILL has longer range

Th Gowind STILL has better weapons systems

Why would I envy a gun boat when South Africa has 4 Stealth Frigates?

agaugust:
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I like the way you improvise your white flag for surrender.

Is that your expensive Woolworths white pant you stripped off your butt and tied to an R4 rifle to make a flag ? Wow, it's white pant okay, but when did you last wash it?

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Taking statements out of context now?

what did i say in the rest of the post?

Consult the two graphs

Graph 1: Air gets colder the higher you get (in the altitudes we are talking about)
Graph 2: Air gets less dense the higher you get

Why would I surrender when the battle ended in victory 3 weeks ago?

Henry120:
No, you don't, you only have 9. While the cezch republic can muster 80 Air crew and ground personnel for 5 Gripen Jets.

Shame.

Prove it

agaugust:
Powerful rifle, sights target 1,000m and effective fire 600m. Good choice for Nigerian army's new 5,000 man COIN brigade.

Nigeria is buying everything from new rifles to tanks to jet figthers to missiles to warships to satellites......meanwhile, our Southie friends are still window shopping with their pocket full of cowrie shells....no money o !

Our rifles work just fine

We dont need to replace acient Ak-47's

So we are good.

Also: 7 Frigates

Henry120:
Provide proof?

You never provide any

Henry120:
According to a defenceweb article dated 2014, South-Africa only has 18 Gripen Aircrew.

Stop making emotional posts. You only have 9 pilots, deal with it.

Or we could have 18 Pilots and 0 Navigators

Now prove we only have 9

agaugust:
Mokopa is an anti-tank missile....and SANDF/SAN/SAAF does NOT have it.

Any other aircraft launched anti-tank missile in this world like Mi-35 Hinds Ataka missile can be used as an improvised anti-ship missile, but only effective on very small boats because of the very small explosive TNT warhead and HEAT ordnance on such missiles, HEAT is not very effective against non-armour materials like sea vessels.

Also the Mokopa has NO sea skimming capability and has a very POOR 10km range for an anti-ship missile....you are just fascinated by a improvised inefffective land based missile, the slow speed of the helicopter and low ceiling will make it suicidal to use against a frigate that has SAMs and 76mm main gun with 15km range, even an OPV will blast the helicopter into pieces before it can get Mokopa into range of 10km.

Delusional Papa Ajasco in a fruitless frenzy, only pirates will fear Mokopa at sea

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It could easily do serious damage to your two USN cutters and a number of other vessels in the NN

Henry120:
I don't care how many SAAF reserve pilots you have, my only concern is the SAAF after 15 years has only managed to raise 9 pilots for her entire Gripen fleet.

Compare your miserable numbers to the Czech and Hungarian Airforce. Go on, embarrass yourself...... check them.

Howany pilots do they have?

The figure of ground crew and aircrew you posted would be impressive... If it wasnt for 5 planes

But then again, i am arguing with a clown who thought that ground maintenance staff counted as aircrew

Patchesagain:
Lol

The Gowind STILL weighs more

The Gowind STILL has longer range

Th Gowind STILL has better weapons systems

Why would I envy a gun boat when South Africa has 4 Stealth Frigates?

Are you dumb? Yes you are a dumb mofo !

I am comparing Gowind OPV and P18N OPV, then you are posting Gowind Corvette here, is Corvette same as OPV ? Mumu.

Then for corvettes there different Gowind sizes, there is 1,000 ton Gowind...


"The Gowind 1000 is a 1000 ton corvette which is well armed and fast. It is well-suited for protection, escort and embargo naval missions in a littoral environment. The Gowind 1000 can also perform presence, surveillance, intelligence and policing missions. It is armed with:

1 x OTO Melara 76mm main gun
2 x Nexter Narwhal 20mm cannon
8 x VLS for MBDA VL Mica surface-to-air missiles
4 x MBDA MM40 Exocet antiship missile launchers
1 x Integrated mast to integrate most sensors in a low observable design"

We are talking OPV here and the weaponry on Corvette differs from a dedicated OPV.

P18N was tested and debugged during sea trials to fire missiles in Light Frigate role, but as OPV no missiles are yet installed.

We are comparing real OPVs, so get your head checked....Mumu.

agaugust:
Show proof.

Also count how many of your white pilots have run away to Australia.

Then count how many pilots have lost annual qualification due to drop in flying hours caused by lack of aviation fuel and inability to maintain Gripens in flying condition as a result of pocket ripping flight cost per hour.

SAAF is a dwarf struggling to play basketball
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No pilots have run away to australia

No pilots have lost qualification

Gripen are the cheapest in the world to maintain

Nigeria has no advanced fighter, no platform that can deploy PGMs, a completely obsolete jet fleet

You are a bunch of monkeys trapped on a basketball court

agaugust:
Show proof that it's Mokopa on the helicopter, and if so, go back and read what I said about ATGM is a delusional anti-ship role where the misssle is technically defective and the helicopter suicidal
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I read your post

It showed nothing

Mokopa would send NNS thunder to the bottom of the ocean

Patchesagain:
So we are good.

Also: 7 Frigates

Really ?

Okay, NAF 100 Russian Su-30 Flankers with 100 anti-ship missiles
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agaugust:
Every standard air force has test pilots, their role includes flying potential procurement aircraft for evaluation.

We said prove Zimbabwe has them

We didnt say explain what a test pilot is

So, proof please

agaugust:
So Mokopa is not an ATGM....what is it? Papa Ajasco
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ASM

agaugust:
Even Cameroon has retired pilots as reserve, and then...

Prove it

Patchesagain:
I read your post

It showed nothing

Mokopa would send NNS thunder to the bottom of the ocean

NNS Thunder is an OPV, but with 76mm main gun having 13km effective range in rapid fire mode, your Helicopter and it's unlucky Mokopa are both sh.ot down 13km away....Mokopa max range is only 10km, so NNS Thunder kills it before launch...Get it? Yes you get it !
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agaugust:
Are you dumb? Yes you are a dumb mofo !

I am comparing Gowind OPV and P18N OPV, then you are posting Gowind Corvette here, is Corvette same as OPV ? Mumu.

Then for corvettes there different Gowind sizes, there is 1,000 ton Gowind...


"The Gowind 1000 is a 1000 ton corvette which is well armed and fast. It is well-suited for protection, escort and embargo naval missions in a littoral environment. The Gowind 1000 can also perform presence, surveillance, intelligence and policing missions. It is armed with:

1 x OTO Melara 76mm main gun
2 x Nexter Narwhal 20mm cannon
8 x VLS for MBDA VL Mica surface-to-air missiles
4 x MBDA MM40 Exocet antiship missile launchers
1 x Integrated mast to integrate most sensors in a low observable design"

We are talking OPV here and the weaponry on Corvette differs from a dedicated OPV.

P18N was tested and debugged during sea trials to fire missiles in Light Frigate role, but as OPV no missiles are yet installed.

We are comparing real OPVs, so get your head checked....Mumu.

Nope, you said DCNS offered the Gowind to you and you turned it down

DCNS france At that time only offered the L'adroit which was being evaluated by the french navy

Which is bigger, has a longer range and is better armed

Also, just btw, Type 056 is classed as a corvette so both are in the same class

Corvette and Opv have no specific definition its just nomleclature for corvette, other words for the same type of vessels could be something like the USN littoral combat ship

Ie: they are all corvettes it has nothing to do with armament

Face it, you talked sh1t and you got wrecked. Next time do research before you flap your gums

agaugust:
Really ?

Okay, NAF 100 Russian Su-30 Flankers with 100 anti-ship missiles
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Hahahahah

I can see that 7 Frigates has caused augugug ugh to become very emotional

agaugust:
NNS Thunder is an OPV, but with 76mm main gun having 13km effective range in rapid fire mode, your Helicopter and it's unlucky Mokopa are both sh.ot down 13km away....Mokopa max range is only 10km, so NNS Thunder kills it before launch...Get it? Yes you get it !
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But you yourself said that the 76mm is not effective at engaging air targets

Hahahaha, you killed yourself!!

Patchesagain:
Nope, you said DCNS offered the Gowind to you and you turned it down

DCNS france At that time only offered the L'adroit which was being evaluated by the french navy

Which is bigger, has a longer range and is better armed

Also, just btw, Type 056 is classed as a corvette so both are in the same class

Corvette and Opv have no specific definition its just nomleclature for corvette, other words for the same type of vessels could be something like the USN littoral combat ship

Ie: they are all corvettes it has nothing to do with armament

Face it, you talked sh1t and you got wrecked. Next time do research before you flap your gums

OPV = Offshore Patrol Vessel usually armed with medium and smaller calibre guns.

Corvette = missile armed escort vessel smaller in size to a Frigate.

Modern corvettes


Modern navies began a trend in the late 20th and early 21st centuries towards smaller, more manoeuvrable surface capability. Corvettes have a displacement between 540 and 3,000 long tons (550 and 3,050 t) and measure 180–420 ft (55–128 m) in length. They are usually armed with medium- and small-caliber guns, surface-to-surface missiles, surface-to-air missiles, and antisubmarine weapons. Many can accommodate a small or medium antisubmarine warfare helicopter.

Most countries with coastlines can build corvette-sized ships, either as part of their commercial shipbuilding activities or in purpose-built yards, but the sensors, weapons, and other systems required for a surface combatant are more specialized and are around 60% of the total cost. These components are purchased on the international market.[3]

rka1:


OPV = Offshore Patrol Vessel usually armed with medium and smaller calibre guns.

Corvette = missile armed escort vessel smaller in size to a Frigate.

Modern corvettes


Modern navies began a trend in the late 20th and early 21st centuries towards smaller, more manoeuvrable surface capability. Corvettes have a displacement between 540 and 3,000 long tons (550 and 3,050 t) and measure 180–420 ft (55–128 m) in length. They are usually armed with medium- and small-caliber guns, surface-to-surface missiles, surface-to-air missiles, and antisubmarine weapons. Many can accommodate a small or medium antisubmarine warfare helicopter.

Most countries with coastlines can build corvette-sized ships, either as part of their commercial shipbuilding activities or in purpose-built yards, but the sensors, weapons, and other systems required for a surface combatant are more specialized and are around 60% of the total cost. These components are purchased on the international market.[3]

Naval definitions are based on tonnage

OPV is just a buzzword, just like ICV is the new buzzword for IFV

agaugust:
NNS Thunder is an OPV, but with 76mm main gun having 13km effective range in rapid fire mode, your Helicopter and it's unlucky Mokopa are both sh.ot down 13km away....Mokopa max range is only 10km, so NNS Thunder kills it before launch...Get it? Yes you get it !
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First 76mm is not rapid fire
Second, that gun is not designed as an AAA so its useless for air targets.

SAAF should consider selling Gripens and buying transports
Written by Guy Martin, Wednesday, 29 October 2014


The South African Air Force (SAAF) has 26 Gripens in its inventory but 12 are in “rotational” storage and only 18 Gripen navigators and pilots have been trained to operational status. [/b]Which begs the question: what should we do with aircraft we don’t need and can’t afford to operate?

[b]The solution could be a simple one: sell off the 12 Gripens in storage (since we won’t miss them anyway) and use the money for fuel, pilot training and new equipment that the Air Force desperately needs - its C-130 Hercules fleet is ageing and the Air Force is increasingly forced to rely on charters to move people and equipment to places like the Democratic Republic of Congo, while the SAAF’s maritime surveillance C-47TPs are more than half a century old and suffering from attrition.

While the C-47TPs and C-130s are working extremely hard and are in urgent need of replacement, the Gripens are grossly underutilised. Since 2008 the Gripen fleet has flown 3 500 hours, according to a SAAF official, equating to roughly 135 hours per airframe or roughly 20 hours per aircraft per year, or less than two hours per aircraft per month.

Maintenance for the Gripens has also been problematic - between April and December 2013 the SAAF had no support contracts in place with Saab, with the Air Force only doing basic hands-on maintenance. A support contract worth R285 million (€19 million) was finally awarded in December and is seeing Saab support the Gripen fleet to 2016.

Of the transport fleet, only around three C-130s are airworthy at any given time and only three C-47TPs are available for transport duties. The small fleet of C212s is only useful for carrying small loads short distances. As a result, the South African Air Force often has to rely on chartered aircraft like Il-76s to get its equipment to places like the Central African Republic (CAR) and Democratic Republic of Congo, which can be a very expensive and time-consuming affair – troops have often been stranded while waiting for a chartered flight and a lack of airlift capacity meant the military couldn’t immediately transport armoured vehicles to our soldiers fighting Seleka rebels in the CAR in March 2013.

With the cancellation of the order for eight A400Ms in 2009, the SAAF was left without a clear replacement for the C-130BZ fleet and, since the deposit was paid back to the treasury, left without money for acquiring new transports. Since funding is tight yet the need is urgent, perhaps[b]it is time to advertise some practically new Gripens for sale: low mileage, stored in a nice dry climate and only flown on weekends.[/b]


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iconize:
You don't think like Americans nor Europeans rather you think like a real lackey.

I'm yet to see a black-American telling peeps that his greatest achievement in life - is kissing a white chic.

Only an unproductive and dumb lackey who enjoys being enslaved would make such moronic comments like yours.

eya. I wonder what his problems are

Patchesagain:
Howany pilots do they have?

The figure of ground crew and aircrew you posted would be impressive... If it wasnt for 5 planes

But then again, i am arguing with a clown who thought that ground maintenance staff counted as aircrew

You have far more serious problems at hand.

Henry240:
SAAF should consider selling Gripens and buying transports
Written by Guy Martin, Wednesday, 29 October 2014


The South African Air Force (SAAF) has 26 Gripens in its inventory but 12 are in “rotational” storage and only 18 Gripen navigators and pilots have been trained to operational status. [/b]Which begs the question: what should we do with aircraft we don’t need and can’t afford to operate?

[b]The solution could be a simple one: sell off the 12 Gripens in storage (since we won’t miss them anyway) and use the money for fuel, pilot training and new equipment that the Air Force desperately needs - its C-130 Hercules fleet is ageing and the Air Force is increasingly forced to rely on charters to move people and equipment to places like the Democratic Republic of Congo, while the SAAF’s maritime surveillance C-47TPs are more than half a century old and suffering from attrition.

While the C-47TPs and C-130s are working extremely hard and are in urgent need of replacement, the Gripens are grossly underutilised. Since 2008 the Gripen fleet has flown 3 500 hours, according to a SAAF official, equating to roughly 135 hours per airframe or roughly 20 hours per aircraft per year, or less than two hours per aircraft per month.

Maintenance for the Gripens has also been problematic - between April and December 2013 the SAAF had no support contracts in place with Saab, with the Air Force only doing basic hands-on maintenance. A support contract worth R285 million (€19 million) was finally awarded in December and is seeing Saab support the Gripen fleet to 2016.

Of the transport fleet, only around three C-130s are airworthy at any given time and only three C-47TPs are available for transport duties. The small fleet of C212s is only useful for carrying small loads short distances. As a result, the South African Air Force often has to rely on chartered aircraft like Il-76s to get its equipment to places like the Central African Republic (CAR) and Democratic Republic of Congo, which can be a very expensive and time-consuming affair – troops have often been stranded while waiting for a chartered flight and a lack of airlift capacity meant the military couldn’t immediately transport armoured vehicles to our soldiers fighting Seleka rebels in the CAR in March 2013.

With the cancellation of the order for eight A400Ms in 2009, the SAAF was left without a clear replacement for the C-130BZ fleet and, since the deposit was paid back to the treasury, left without money for acquiring new transports. Since funding is tight yet the need is urgent, perhaps[b]it is time to advertise some practically new Gripens for sale: low mileage, stored in a nice dry climate and only flown on weekends.[/b]


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damn! I think they only take those things out to snap photos. Lol! South African national defence policy is based on "photo and media detterence"

overhypedsteve:
damn! I think they only take those things out to snap photos. Lol! South African national defence policy is based on "photo and media detterence"

*ROTFL*

MikeCZAR:
South Africa has somewhere between 15-20 pilots.

In 2010 4 pilots graduated, first group of pilots trained in SA.

Among the group was the first female Gripen pilot.

Initially Sweden trained 6 pilots excluding test pilots and others involved in the programme.

6+4=10. That was in 2010. When 4 Gripens were still in Sweden.

More lies , we all know the true state of the SAAF

You have 9 pilots
You only have 3 operational C-130's.
You lack Aviation fuel
Some of your transport planes are over 50 years old
You lack funds
Your airforce is in a pathetic state.

Henry240:
SAAF should consider selling Gripens and buying transports
Written by Guy Martin, Wednesday, 29 October 2014


The South African Air Force (SAAF) has 26 Gripens in its inventory but 12 are in “rotational” storage and only 18 Gripen navigators and pilots have been trained to operational status. [/b]Which begs the question: what should we do with aircraft we don’t need and can’t afford to operate?

[b]The solution could be a simple one: sell off the 12 Gripens in storage (since we won’t miss them anyway) and use the money for fuel, pilot training and new equipment that the Air Force desperately needs - its C-130 Hercules fleet is ageing and the Air Force is increasingly forced to rely on charters to move people and equipment to places like the Democratic Republic of Congo, while the SAAF’s maritime surveillance C-47TPs are more than half a century old and suffering from attrition.

While the C-47TPs and C-130s are working extremely hard and are in urgent need of replacement, the Gripens are grossly underutilised. Since 2008 the Gripen fleet has flown 3 500 hours, according to a SAAF official, equating to roughly 135 hours per airframe or roughly 20 hours per aircraft per year, or less than two hours per aircraft per month.

Maintenance for the Gripens has also been problematic - between April and December 2013 the SAAF had no support contracts in place with Saab, with the Air Force only doing basic hands-on maintenance. A support contract worth R285 million (€19 million) was finally awarded in December and is seeing Saab support the Gripen fleet to 2016.

Of the transport fleet, only around three C-130s are airworthy at any given time and only three C-47TPs are available for transport duties. The small fleet of C212s is only useful for carrying small loads short distances. As a result, the South African Air Force often has to rely on chartered aircraft like Il-76s to get its equipment to places like the Central African Republic (CAR) and Democratic Republic of Congo, which can be a very expensive and time-consuming affair – troops have often been stranded while waiting for a chartered flight and a lack of airlift capacity meant the military couldn’t immediately transport armoured vehicles to our soldiers fighting Seleka rebels in the CAR in March 2013.

With the cancellation of the order for eight A400Ms in 2009, the SAAF was left without a clear replacement for the C-130BZ fleet and, since the deposit was paid back to the treasury, left without money for acquiring new transports. Since funding is tight yet the need is urgent, perhaps[b]it is time to advertise some practically new Gripens for sale: low mileage, stored in a nice dry climate and only flown on weekends.[/b]


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SANDeaF are just wasting tax payers money for the sake of being amongst 'peacekeeping nations' and taking 'hollywood photos'... perhaps, they join anti-poaching units and stop the proliferation of 'knifes' in the country... people get stabbed like crazy here.

richest country my butt-chick
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Henry240:
SAAF should consider selling Gripens and buying transports
Written by Guy Martin, Wednesday, 29 October 2014


The South African Air Force (SAAF) has 26 Gripens in its inventory but 12 are in “rotational” storage and only 18 Gripen navigators and pilots have been trained to operational status. [/b]Which begs the question: what should we do with aircraft we don’t need and can’t afford to operate?

[b]The solution could be a simple one: sell off the 12 Gripens in storage (since we won’t miss them anyway) and use the money for fuel, pilot training and new equipment that the Air Force desperately needs - its C-130 Hercules fleet is ageing and the Air Force is increasingly forced to rely on charters to move people and equipment to places like the Democratic Republic of Congo, while the SAAF’s maritime surveillance C-47TPs are more than half a century old and suffering from attrition.

While the C-47TPs and C-130s are working extremely hard and are in urgent need of replacement, the Gripens are grossly underutilised. Since 2008 the Gripen fleet has flown 3 500 hours, according to a SAAF official, equating to roughly 135 hours per airframe or roughly 20 hours per aircraft per year, or less than two hours per aircraft per month.

Maintenance for the Gripens has also been problematic - between April and December 2013 the SAAF had no support contracts in place with Saab, with the Air Force only doing basic hands-on maintenance. A support contract worth R285 million (€19 million) was finally awarded in December and is seeing Saab support the Gripen fleet to 2016.

Of the transport fleet, only around three C-130s are airworthy at any given time and only three C-47TPs are available for transport duties. The small fleet of C212s is only useful for carrying small loads short distances. As a result, the South African Air Force often has to rely on chartered aircraft like Il-76s to get its equipment to places like the Central African Republic (CAR) and Democratic Republic of Congo, which can be a very expensive and time-consuming affair – troops have often been stranded while waiting for a chartered flight and a lack of airlift capacity meant the military couldn’t immediately transport armoured vehicles to our soldiers fighting Seleka rebels in the CAR in March 2013.

With the cancellation of the order for eight A400Ms in 2009, the SAAF was left without a clear replacement for the C-130BZ fleet and, since the deposit was paid back to the treasury, left without money for acquiring new transports. Since funding is tight yet the need is urgent, perhaps[b]it is time to advertise some practically new Gripens for sale: low mileage, stored in a nice dry climate and only flown on weekends.[/b]


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South Africa is not considering selling the gripen

One man is suggesting that the gripen be sold

Many private citizens have many opinions

But what citizens think and what SAAF does are very different things

So well done on proving absolutely nothing